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Dear Barack and Michelle
An open letter to the president and first lady from the nation's top climate scientist
29 December 2008
Michelle and Barack Obama
Chicago and Washington, D.C.
United States of America
Dear Michelle and Barack,
We write to you as fellow parents concerned about the Earth that will be inherited by our children, grandchildren, and those yet to be born.
Barack has spoken of "a planet in peril" and noted that actions needed to stem climate change have other merits. However, the nature of the chosen actions will be of crucial importance.
We apologize for the length of this letter. But your personal attention to these details could make all the difference in what surely will be the most important matter of our times.
Jim has advised governments previously through regular channels. But urgency now dictates a personal appeal. Scientists at the forefront of climate research have seen a stream of new data in the past few years with startling implications for humanity and all life on Earth.
Yet the information that most needs to be communicated to you concerns the failure of policy approaches employed by nations most sincere and concerned about stabilizing climate. Policies being discussed in national and international circles now, which focus on 'goals' for emission reduction and 'cap and trade,' have the same basic approach as the Kyoto Protocol. This approach is ineffectual and not commensurate with the climate threat. It could waste another decade, locking in disastrous consequences for our planet and humanity.
The enclosure, "Tell Barack Obama the Truth -- the Whole Truth" [PDF] was sent to colleagues for comments as we left for a trip to Europe. Their main suggestion was to add a summary of the specific recommendations, preferably in a cover letter sent to both of you.
There is a profound disconnect between actions that policy circles are considering and what the science demands for preservation of the planet. A stark scientific conclusion, that we must reduce greenhouse gases below present amounts to preserve nature and humanity, has become clear to the relevant experts. The validity of this statement could be verified by the National Academy of Sciences, which can deliver prompt authoritative reports in response to a Presidential request1. NAS was set up by President Lincoln for just such advisory purposes.
Science and policy cannot be divorced. It is still feasible to avert climate disasters, but only if policies are consistent with what science indicates to be required. Our three recommendations derive from the science, including logical inferences based on empirical information about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of specific past policy approaches.
1. Moratorium and phase-out of coal plants that do not capture and store CO2.
This is the sine qua non for solving the climate problem. Coal emissions must be phased out rapidly. Yes, it is a great challenge, but one with enormous side benefits. Coal is responsible for as much atmospheric carbon dioxide as the other fossil fuels combined, and its reserves make coal even more important for the long run. Oil, the second greatest contributor to atmospheric carbon dioxide, is already substantially depleted, and it is impractical to capture carbon dioxide emitted by vehicles. But if coal emissions are phased out promptly, a range of actions including improved agricultural and forestry practices could bring the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide back down, out of the dangerous range.
As an example of coal's impact consider this: continued construction of coal-fired power plants will raise atmospheric carbon dioxide to a level at least approaching 500 ppm (parts per million). At that level, a conservative estimate for the number of species that would be exterminated (committed to extinction) is one million. The proportionate contribution of a single power plant operating 50 years and burning ~100 rail cars of coal per day (100 tons of coal per rail car) would be about 400 species! Coal plants are factories of death. It is no wonder that young people (and some not so young) are beginning to block new construction.
2. Rising price on carbon emissions via a "carbon tax and 100 percent dividend."
A rising price on carbon emissions is the essential underlying support needed to make all other climate policies work. For example, improved building codes are essential, but full enforcement at all construction and operations is impractical. A rising carbon price is the one practical way to obtain compliance with codes designed to increase energy efficiency. A rising carbon price is essential to "decarbonize" the economy, i.e., to move the nation toward the era beyond fossil fuels.
The most effective way to achieve this is a carbon tax (on oil, gas, and coal) at the well-head or port of entry. The tax will then appropriately affect all products and activities that use fossil fuels. The public's near-term, mid-term, and long-term lifestyle choices will be affected by knowledge that the carbon tax rate will be rising. The public will support the tax if it is returned to them, equal shares on a per capita basis (half shares for children up to a maximum of two child-shares per family), deposited monthly in bank accounts.
No large bureaucracy is needed. A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average makes money. A person with large cars and a big house will pay a tax much higher than the dividend. Not one cent goes to Washington. No lobbyists will be supported. Unlike cap-and-trade, no millionaires would be made at the expense of the public.
The tax will spur innovation as entrepreneurs compete to develop and market low-carbon and no-carbon energies and products. The dividend puts money in the pockets of consumers, stimulating the economy, and providing the public a means to purchase the products.
A carbon tax is honest, clear and effective. It will increase energy prices, but low and middle income people, especially, will find ways to reduce carbon emissions so as to come out ahead. The rate of infrastructure replacement, thus economic activity, can be modulated by how fast the carbon tax rate increases.
Effects will permeate society. Food requiring lots of carbon emissions to produce and transport will become more expensive and vice versa, encouraging support of nearby farms as opposed to imports from half way around the world. The carbon tax has social benefits. It is progressive. It is useful to those most in need in hard times, providing them an opportunity for larger dividend than tax. It will encourage illegal immigrants to become legal, thus to obtain the dividend, and it will discourage illegal immigration because everybody pays the tax, but only legal citizens collect the dividend.
"Cap and trade" generates special interests, lobbyists, and trading schemes, yielding non productive millionaires, all at public expense. The public is fed up with such business. Tax with 100 percent dividend, in contrast, would spur our economy, while aiding the disadvantaged, the climate, and our national security.
3. Urgent R&D on fourth generation nuclear power with international cooperation.
Energy efficiency, renewable energies, and a "smart grid" deserve first priority in our effort to reduce carbon emissions. With a rising carbon price, renewable energy can perhaps handle all of our needs. However, most experts believe that making such presumption probably would leave us in 25 years with still a large contingent of coal-fired power plants worldwide. Such a result would be disastrous for the planet, humanity, and nature.
Fourth generation nuclear power (4th GNP) and coal-fired power plants with carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) at present are the best candidates to provide large baseload nearly carbon-free power (in case renewable energies cannot do the entire job). Predictable criticism of 4th GNP (and CCS) is: "it cannot be ready before 2030." However, the time needed could be much abbreviated with a Presidential initiative and Congressional support.
Moreover, improved (3rd generation) light water reactors are available for near-term needs. In our opinion, 4th GNP2 deserves your strong support, because it has the potential to help solve past problems with nuclear power: nuclear waste, the need to mine for nuclear fuel, and release of radioactive material 3 . Potential proliferation of nuclear material will always demand vigilance, but that will be true in any case, and our safety is best secured if the United States is involved in the technologies and helps define standards. Existing nuclear reactors use less than 1% of the energy in uranium, leaving more than 99% in long-lived nuclear waste. 4th GNP can "burn" that waste, leaving a small volume of waste with a half-life of decades rather than thousands of years. Thus 4th GNP could help solve the nuclear waste problem, which must be dealt with in any case.
Because of this, a portion of the $25B that has been collected from utilities to deal with nuclear waste justifiably could be used to develop 4th generation reactors. The principal issue with nuclear power, and other energy sources, is cost. Thus an R&D objective must be a modularized reactor design that is cost competitive with coal. Without such capability, it may be difficult to wean China and India from coal. But all developing countries have great incentives for clean energy and stable climate, and they will welcome technical cooperation aimed at rapid development of a reproducible safe nuclear reactor. Potential for cooperation with developing countries is implied by interest South Korea has expressed in General Electric's design for a small scale 4th GNP reactor. I do not have the expertise to advocate any specific project, and there are alternative approaches for 4th GNP (see enclosure).
I am only suggesting that the assertion that 4th GNP technology cannot be ready until 2030 is not necessarily valid. Indeed, with a Presidential directive for the Nuclear Regulator Commission to give priority to the review process, it is possible that a prototype reactor could be constructed rapidly in the United States. CCS also deserves R&D support. There is no such thing as clean coal at this time, and it is doubtful that we will ever be able to fully eliminate emissions of mercury, other heavy metals, and radioactive material in the mining and burning of coal. However, because of the enormous number of dirty coal-fired power plants in existence, the abundance of the fuel, and the fact that CCS technology could be used at biofuel-fired power plants to draw down atmospheric carbon dioxide, the technology deserves strong R&D support.
Summary
An urgent 4 geophysical fact has become clear. Burning all the fossil fuels will destroy the planet we know, Creation, the planet of stable climate in which civilization developed.
Of course it is unfair that everyone is looking to Barack to solve this problem (and other problems!), but they are. He alone has a fleeting opportunity to instigate fundamental change, and the ability to explain the need for it to the public. Geophysical limits dictate the outline for what must be done5. Because of the long lifetime of carbon dioxide in the air, slowing the emissions cannot solve the problem. Instead a large part of the total fossil fuels must be left in the ground. In practice, that means coal.
The physics of the matter, together with empirical data, also define the need for a carbon tax. Alternatives such as emission reduction targets, cap and trade, cap and dividend, do not work, as proven by honest efforts of the 'greenest' countries to comply with the Kyoto Protocol:
- Japan: accepted the strongest emission reduction targets, appropriately prides itself on having the most energy-efficient industry, and yet its use of coal has sharply increased, as have its total CO2 emissions. Japan offset its increases with purchases of credits through the clean development mechanism in China, intended to reduce emissions there, but Chinese emissions increased rapidly.
- Germany: subsidizes renewable energies heavily and accepts strong emission reduction targets, yet plans to build a large number of coal-fired power plants. They assert that they will have cap-and-trade, with a cap that reduces emissions by whatever amount is needed. But the physics tells us that if they continue to burn coal, no cap can solve the problem, because of the long carbon dioxide lifetime.
- Other cases are described on my Columbia University web site, e.g., Switzerland finances construction of coal plants, Sweden builds them, and Australia exports coal and sets atmospheric carbon dioxide goals so large as to guarantee destruction of much of the life on the planet.
Indeed, "goals" and "caps" on carbon emissions are practically worthless, if coal emissions continue, because of the exceedingly long lifetime of carbon dioxide in the air. Nobody realistically expects that the large readily available pools of oil and gas will be left in the ground. Caps will not cause that to happen -- caps only slow the rate at which the oil and gas are used. The only solution is to cut off the coal source (and unconventional fossil fuels).
Coal phase-out and transition to the post-fossil fuel era requires an increasing carbon price. A carbon tax at the wellhead or port of entry reduces all uses of a fuel. In contrast, a less comprehensive cap has the perverse effect of lowering the price of the fuel for other uses, undercutting clean energy sources.6 In contrast to the impracticality of all nations agreeing to caps, and the impossibility of enforcement, a carbon tax can readily be made near-global.7
A Presidential directive for prompt investigation and proto-typing of advanced safe nuclear power is needed to cover the possibility that renewable energies cannot satisfy global energy needs. One of the greatest dangers the world faces is the possibility that a vocal minority of anti-nuclear activists could prevent phase-out of coal emissions.
The challenges today, including climate change, are great and urgent. Barack's leadership is essential to explain to the world what is needed. The public, young and old, recognize the difficulties and will support the actions needed for a fundamental change of direction.
James and Anniek Hansen
Pennsylvania
United States of America
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Footnotes:
1. Given the brilliant scientists Barack has appointed to his team, is there need for a National Academy of Sciences meeting? Yes, his team surely would welcome not only clarification of the urgency of the climate situation, but also interdisciplinary (economics, engineering, physics, biology...) discussion and evaluation of policy options. Barack's first year or two in office is almost surely our last best chance to get the climate and energy strategy right in time to save the future of our children and grandchildren.
2. I am not referring to the DOE's "Generation-4" nuclear program, which is a diffuse program that will not yield rapid payoff. Instead, as discussed below, there would need to be a Presidential directive to pursue a path(s) with the potential to contribute to decarbonization of global energy systems as rapidly as practical.
3. 4th generation reactors can include automatic shutdown in case of an earthquake or other interruption. It is noteworthy that, even with the presence of poorly designed nuclear power plants in the past, and in some cases demonstrably sloppy operations, the waste from coal-fired power plants has done far more damage, and even spread more radioactive material around the world than all nuclear power plants combined, including Chernobyl.
4. Urgency derives from the nearness of climate tipping points, beyond which climate dynamics will cause rapid changes out of humanity's control. Concern about such behavior derives not from theory or speculation, but from improving knowledge of how the Earth responded to past changes of atmospheric composition and from observations of ongoing changes.
Tipping points occur because of amplifying feedbacks. Feedbacks include loss of Arctic sea ice, melting glaciers and ice sheets, release of 'frozen' methane as tundra melts, and growth of vegetation on previously frozen land. The surface changes increase the amount of sunlight absorbed by Earth. Added methane reduces heat radiation to space, amplifying the warming effect of carbon dioxide produced by burning fossil fuels. Analysis of Earth's history helps reveal the level of greenhouse gases needed to maintain a climate resembling the Holocene, Creation, the period of reasonably stable climate in which civilization developed. That carbon dioxide level, unsurprisingly in retrospect, is less than the current 385 ppm (parts per million).
The safe amount for the long-term is no more than 350 ppm, probably less. Pre-industrial carbon dioxide amount was 280 ppm. Precise definition of a safe range requires better knowledge of all climate forcing mechanisms. What is clear is that continuing fossil fuel emissions will put Earth on an inexorable course toward an ice- free state, a course punctuated by increasingly extreme disasters with hundreds of millions of climate refugees. A large fraction of species on Earth face certain extinction, if we burn most fossil fuels without capturing and storing the carbon dioxide. New species may come into being over many thousands of years, but all generations of our descendants that we can imagine will live on a far more desolate planet than the one we knew.
5. Total carbon in conventional fossil fuels (oil, gas, and coal), if released to the air, is enough to initiate a dynamic transition to an ice-free climate state, a transition that would be out of humanity's control. A large fraction of the carbon dioxide emitted in burning fossil fuels stays in the air many centuries. Thus the climate problem cannot be solved by only slowing the rate at which we burn the fossil fuels. Solution requires that a large part of total fossil fuels is left in the ground, or the carbon dioxide captured and stored. In addition, the unconventional fossil fuels (oil shale, tar sands, methane hydrates) must be left largely untouched or the carbon dioxide captured and stored.
6. Now, with oil prices down, is when a hefty carbon tax should be added. In the future, when the price of gasoline again reaches and passes $4/gallon, most of this cost will be tax, staying in the country, spread among consumers, and driving our economy to a clean future. The public can understand this, if Barack explains it, and they will accept it, if there is 100 percent dividend.
7. A carbon tax requires agreement of only several major nations. If any given nation does not apply the tax, an equivalent duty can be applied to their products at ports of entry.
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36 Comments so far
Show All"Science and policy cannot be divorced. It is still feasible to avert climate disasters"
Good luck:
http://people-press.org/report/485/economy-top-policy-priority
While I appreciate Mr. and Mrs. Hansen raising the sense of urgency I do not believe going to "clean coal" or "clean nuclear" is a valid solution.
Mr. and Mrs. Hansen are not nuclear physicists nor nuclear waste storage engineers thus they should not be advocating technologies they may not fully understand.
They do not mention deforestation around the globe which according to the United Nations accounts for approximately 30% of the global CO2 emissions. How much carbon can protected intact forests take in?
If it is indeed too late to save the climate or the human species, let us do the dignified thing and leave the planet less radioactive, less toxic, covered with native forests, and pristine as possible before we all check out.
Thank you for your inspiring work but please think about appropriate solutions beyond coal and nuclear.
Most Respectfully and Sincerely.
sw
forester, ecologist, ecosystem advocate, and lifetime grassroots organizer
Hi C-C,
I enjoy your carefully-written posts and fully-support almost all the points you make in both this, and your many other posts.
There is a "damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-dont" enigma with climate change (CC). That we need to take action now is foremost, and I am sure you would agree than now means today, not 2050. The difficulty comes in implementing change without upsetting the apple-cart of the west's perception of living. Most people will not accept taking a huge cut in living standards overnight. That is a generational change. So how do we make change, now, without seriously impacting the living standards of those who will most likely lead and implement change?
I believe that inexpensive and low-impact green technologies will take at least a generation (or 2) to become acceptable and common place. So how do we fuel society until such change becomes the norm? Alas, we are still going to have to rely on coal and nuclear power for the near future.
Despite the overwhelming evidence that coal and nuclear are short-cuts to extinction, I believe that we should parallel the development of cheaper green technology by at least looking at clean coal and nuclear. If, in the future, we have not made a best-effort at looking at all available technologies, there will be those nay-sayers who will never let go of clean coal/nukes, and we will always have this conflict. But if we do look at clean coal/nuclear, which will cost a lot of money but will bring us jobs, then in the future we will be able to say that we gave them our best shot.
Veteran, mathematician, geophysicist, land/space arms-control wonk, off-gridder and barterer.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
"Most people will not accept taking a huge cut in living standards overnight."
That's not really true. Most people resist the paradigm shift not because of the real contract but because of the fake contract. The fake contract is: You have to give up 90% of what matters to you most, fossil-fried convenience/luxury, for nothing in return. The real contract is: In exchange for your fair share of civic responsibility, which requires that you demand both comprehensively sustainable market production and public policies, you will receive maximum health and fulfillment. Everyone will snap it up.
I would say that a great portion of our energy use these days is for luxuries.
How many malls, TVs, computers, stereo systems, refrigerators, jet airliners, air conditoners, super food markets, Wallmarts, dishwashers, home entertainment systems, etc did the King and Queen of England have in the early 1920's?
They seemed to have done just fine without these things don't you think.
Most Americans, Europeans and a good portion of the world's people have these things that royalty didn't even dream of having 50-80 years ago.
What is a livable biosphere worth?
Is it worth giving up a few luxuries that are sustained by toxic and radioactive pollution?
I am all for the use of appropriate technologies (solar (all forms), ductless heat pumps, biogas, human powered vehicles, biofuels for farmers and food transport only, rail transportation) to take care of basic needs but nuclear or "clean coal" are not appropriate for countless reasons.
Future generations and the current ones will and are cursing the previous generations for the most horrendous toxic and radioactive mess you all have bestowed on us.
In the end though, cursing is meaningless. What really matters is that we try with the utmost honor to leave a less toxic and radioactive world when our days on this earth are done.
Sioux Rose
CLEAR CUT: Well said, and excellent perspective.
Clear-Cut,
I am unable to follow a thread of logic in what you write. If you read the article and/or the PDF link, you are fully aware that the Hansen's already are thinking about all appropriate solutions beyond coal and nuclear, and actively dealing with it.
You indicate, "Mr. and Mrs. Hansen are not nuclear physicists nor nuclear waste storage engineers thus they should not be advocating technologies they may not fully understand."
Apparently, the fact that Hansen is the best known climate scientist in the world and they are in regular consultation with nuclear physicists and storage engineers in drafting their suggestions all count for nothing. Fair enough. Then everyone should get the information themselves, directly from the scientists, whom you think are saying something different?
In order to address the huge problem, what "valid solutions" are you advocating that you fully understand? Do you suppose that as a "lifetime grassroots organizer," you could organize the masses of China and India and elsewhere to do the dignified thing and either check out now, or else continue living lives of greater depravation and disease before they check out? Or will you be providing a noble example to those of us in the West as to how we might check out once we realize we've received more than our fair share of energy benefits? Perhaps your voluntary self-removal from the planet will then inspire billions more of us to do the same. What a shame it would be if a lot of us selfishly stick around to see if it isn't "too late to save the climate or the human species."
If you have other valid solutions, how do you propose to get them to the readers of Common Dreams, not to mention the rest of the world, without the hypocrisy factor coming into play, since your last post alone used up more energy than is consumed in an average two week period by more than half of the people in the world?
From Hansens' PDF link "it would be dangerous to proceed under the presumption that we will soon
have all-renewable electric power. Also it would be inappropriate to impose a similar
presumption on China and India. Both countries project large increases in their energy
needs, both countries have highly polluted atmospheres primarily due to excessive coal use,
and both countries STAND TO SUFFER INORDINATELY if global climate change continues.
The entire world stands to gain if China and India have options to reduce their CO2
emissions and air pollution. Mercury emissions from their coal plants, for example, are
polluting the global atmosphere and ocean and affecting the safety of foods, especially fish,
on a near-global scale. And there is little hope of stabilizing climate unless China and India
have low- and no-CO2 energy options.
"If you have other valid solutions, how do you propose to get them to the readers of Common Dreams, not to mention the rest of the world, without the hypocrisy factor coming into play, since your last post alone used up more energy than is consumed in an average two week period by more than half of the people in the world?"
The energy needed to participate in global communications along the lines of the common dreams forums is minuscule today given the shrunken chip dies. The typical cell phone will do it, at 5 watts or so? For every 100 watt incandescent light bulb burning, twenty people can participate in the forums. The communications infrastructure can be powered exclusively with photovoltaic. Granted there are embedded costs, but we can keep the hardware for two decades instead of chucking it every two years.
We're looking forward to public design, construction, and ownership of communications satellites. Free Internet communications and enlightenment for all.
"Science and policy cannot be divorced. It is still feasible to avert climate disasters"
Good luck:
http://people-press.org/report/485/economy-top-policy-priority
What I meant to add was:
Will Obama listen to Hansen or to the polls that indicate the American people rank global warming Dead Last on their list of priorities?
WVK
I doubt they'll bother to read this critical letter of importance let alone follow it until they're outta the White House.
4. Urgency derives from the nearness of climate tipping points, beyond which climate dynamics will cause rapid changes out of humanity's control. Concern about such behavior derives not from theory or speculation, but from improving knowledge of how the Earth responded to past changes of atmospheric composition and from observations of ongoing changes.
What would analysis of magnetic striping on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge reveal?
What, specifically, is that "improving knowledge of how the Earth responded to past changes"; and, again, what "observations of ongoing changes"?
Do these have to do with how the previous temp/CO2 spikes reversed?
Folks, find the chart he's referring to.
Hansen is is referring to great advances in knowlege of geological hitory, particularly the role of the runaway atmospheric changes in triggering mass-extinctions in the geologic past, like the Paleocene/Eocene thermal maximum, and especially great Permian/Triassic mass extinction.
Current CO2 levels are already exceeding the the highest CO2 levels in Pleistocene ice cores, so we must look further back in geologic time, to the more catastrophic events, to see what may await us.
The cyclic magnetic reversals preserved in the lavas extruded from the mid-Atlantic ridge do not seem to have much effect on climate or living things.
---USAn---
"The cyclic magnetic reversals preserved in the lavas extruded from the mid-Atlantic ridge do not seem to have much effect on climate or living things."
We are unsure how migratory animals fare during a "flip", but clearly they survive. We'll just have to wait for a "flip" to see. I can assure you that modern man will not fare nearly as well as animals. Single-word hint: Electronics.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
Actually my understanding about the magnetic field flip is that the magnetic field simply fades away over a period of decades or longer, then gradually resumes with reversed polarity. So there will be no magnetic storms that will affect electronic equipment.
The biggest impact would be this period of no magnetic field, which provides the earth with a radiation shield from solar flares. So cancer rates would go up a good bit, but nothing species thratening.
---USAn---
Petition is up to prevent mining of Coal River Mountain and create sustainable wind farm - numbers indicate preferable economic as well ecological impact - from a link on Hansen's site
http://www.coalriverwind.org/
Until we get population under control, all environmental policies are doomed to fail. The government should pay a substantial reward to any citizen who voluntarily has tubes tied or a vasectomy. Birth control should be free and available to everyone. Fertility clinics should be illegal. Insurance companies that cover Viagra or Cialis should be required by law to cover birth control.
How about just reversing current policy; provide tax breaks for the childless, and remove tax breaks for parents?
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
Excellent, Dr. Hansen, excellent. This carbon trading is indeed an Enron-style scam perpretated to make a few poople rich whil creating the illusion of action.
A carbon tax on the wellhead or coal tipple, redistributed as cash benefits to the people - what could be simpler or more effective?
As far as nuclear, I'm inclined to trust Dr. Hansen's opinion that nuclear must be in the mix with renewables in order to to have a carbon-free base load. Surely, he has consulted with the necessary experts about this.
Then again, it would seem that smart grids with efficiency improvements, and modern weather forecasting could allow coordicated dispatching of wind power from a large geographic area and provide reliable base load. Over a continental area, the wind is always blowing somwwhere. But, I've never heard a serious unbiased evaluation whether this is feasableor not. Any power distributrion EE's out there who can answer this?
---USAn---
Not sure if I can answer your question on power loading, but here is what I know.
The Indian Nations are SERIOUSLY looking at wind farms on their land. The Sioux Nation are pouring considerable resources into feasibility studies in populating their lands in S. Dakota. Preliminary estimates that if all Sioux and Lakota lands in SD were farmed, it would supply the entire US demand for peak electricity for most of the year. The Indians are seeing this as a greater cash cow than casinos. Their biggest and most expensive problem is the last mile; getting onto the grid. Not a show-stopper, but without federal assistance, it will be tough. One of the reasons why the Indians are calling it an all-or-nothing proposition.
FWIW, SD is the nation's windiest state.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
Decommission the Missouri River mainstem dams, and route the wind-generated power over those existing power lines.
I said the problem is "last mile". Getting power from the SD farms to the grid is very expensive.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
Here are my responses to Hansen's proposals.
"1. Moratorium and phase-out of coal plants that do not capture and store CO2": That means all of them. As Gwynne Dyer pointed out in his book Climate Wars, there exists no way to capture and sequester carbon dioxide in large quantities, reliably, and at an affordable price. Such technology has always been described as several years in the future, like a receding mirage in a desert.
"2. Rising price on carbon emissions via a 'carbon tax and 100 percent dividend'." I agree with Hansen on the basic futility of cap-and-trade schemes, which generally end up rewarding the polluters. The carbon tax is an excellent proposal: it provides an income floor to the entire population at the expense of people who contribute to the greatest current threat to human civilization. I have only one small question: Who do you trust with the power to decide what should be taxed and how much? Behold, I have just killed the carbon tax.
"3. Urgent R&D on fourth generation nuclear power with international cooperation." How long, O Lord, how long must we endure this gigantic boondoggle? A massive nuclear power construction program will generate huge quantities of CO2. It will act as a financial black hole, sucking the life out of renewable-energy projects that otherwise would have a chance to provide all the electrical power we need. If the US implements such a program, then in a century or so it will be reduced to an uninhabited semi-desert littered with mysterious concrete domes for extraterrestrials to puzzle over.
The fundamental problem with climate change is that it is the exact opposite of the kind of problem our brains have evolved to solve. We are at our best with problems that have an immediate effect, a perceptible mechanism, and a local scope. For example, human civilizations soon evicted or destroyed all animals which attack human beings and are large enough to see with the naked eye, but disease was not even understood, let alone addressed, correctly until recently. Climate change has a very slow onset, an invisible mechanism (that scientists with elaborate models and instruments had to explain to us), and the broadest possible scope -- the entire world. For this reason I have little confidence in the future.
Reply to Point 3 - "A massive nuclear power construction program will generate huge quantities of CO2."
A massive wind turbine program will emit at least as much CO2 - both require steel, concrete, manufactured compontnts of all sorts, roads, vehicle and constructon equipment use, etc. The CO2 used to make a nuclear plant, or wind turbines, is small compared to the coal-burning plants they are replacing.
Reply to Point 2:
There is no trust involved because no one is deciding anything! Only one thing is taxed - the element carbon, by weight, at the point it comes out of the ground. The carbon content of various fuels is always known by the producer. The oil or gas well owner, or coal mine opertor reports the total weight of oil, gas or coal produced and it'd carbon content. They pay an excise tax (tax per unit weight) on each ton of carbon they take out of the ground. The tax gets passed on by the cost of the finished product (gasoline, electricity). The only decision would be how to use the revenues generated, you could issue rebates (like Alaska does with it's oil production taxes) or an offsetting reduction in income tax rates, or increased public works projects that reduce carbon usage (rail, public transit, efficiency research).
Point 1: I agree that CCS for a full size power plant is a far from proven. The now-suspended "future gen" demonstation plant in illinois would be just a 1/10 size power plant - and it's costs were going through the roof even at the very preliminary design stage. The ITER Tokomak-type fusion reactor project in Europe almost looks more promising.
---USAn---
AdeletheCzech
When James Hansen starts touting nuclear power ("new and improved," of course) my despair meter hits 1000! In the context of the article, he approves this -- and coal plants w/CO2 sequestration (ri-i-ght) -- because he seems to think Americans can't pull off a revolution in wind/solar/tidal/geothermal etc. in enough time to produce the electricity we'll need in the near future and beyond. NONSENSE!
Fellow Common Dreamers, are there any of you out there who were kids when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? I was, and I remember the absolutely frenetic activity that went on when Americans had to do the ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE (turn the productive capacity of this country upside down) and DID IT! Are we all too tired, or too comfy sitting in front of the tube, or too fat to get out of our chairs? I can't believe that someone as brilliant as Hansen has lost faith in the power of our people to make drastic changes when it's absolutely necessary.
Renewables ONLY, and FAST!
Hansen is calling for a frenetic response to renewables. On the other hand, you're not only ridiculing the science involved, but you're ignoring the needs and responses of the rest of the world.
"Moreover, improved (3rd generation) light water reactors are available for near-term needs. In our opinion, 4th GNP2 deserves your strong support, because it has the potential to help solve past problems with nuclear power: nuclear waste, the need to mine for nuclear fuel, and release of radioactive material"
Having the potential to solve these problems is not the same as having the solution to them. Why spend 25 billion or any more money on pie in the sky that the public doesn't want instead of on geothermal, solar, wind, wave and other safe green technologies? Simply because nukes are centralized and can make big profits for their owners at public expense.
"I do not have the expertise to advocate any specific project, and there are alternative approaches for 4th GNP"
If you don't have the expertise, how can you advocate nukes and expose future generations to net energy losing, greenhouse gas producing, hugely expensive, bioconcentrating radwaste, cancer causing, nuclear bomb fueling, terrorist targets like nuclear power plants?
It seems to be that this whole green thing is just a scheme to get tax dollars and to control all of us. Why don't the Hollywood elite who parrot Al Gore start downsizing. Do they need 20,000 and up sq ft homes? Homes use energy too. As a matter of fact Al Gore has a huge house. As does John "green" Edwards. John Edwards cut down 1,000's of trees for his 30,000 sq ft compound/home. Lets put a 10,000% fuel tax on anyone that uses private jets. Elite dems and Hollywood would not like that. Lets tax anyone that uses 3 times the average American home's energy usage 10,000%. Lets make all these green types put their money where their mouths are. And you guys do know, generic gas taxes hurt the poor and middle class. You think Al Gore or John Edwards care about a 50 cent gasoline tax? What about our schools (buses). The Earth is a giant mass and it does heat and cool, just like we have four seasons. If you think we can change the Earth's climate, I got some oceanfront land in NV to sell you. Humans did not cause the Ice Age.
From James Hansen & Anniek Hansen's enclosure "Tell Barack Obama the Truth -- the Whole Truth" -
"The entire world stands to gain if China and India have options to reduce their CO2 emissions and air pollution. ...there is little hope of stabilizing climate unless China and India have low- and no-CO2 energy options."
But having the 'options' and actually putting them into place are very different. We can see that in this country.
Most of the Chinese people, with the urging and support of their government, are caught up with western values. Most want to be just like us - energy-consuming hogs.
"Beijing has become infatuated with the car. Vehicle numbers have doubled in less than five years to more than 2 million. Urban planners have been happy to accommodate these economic engines by building thousands of miles of multi-lane roads, often at the expense of bike lanes." see Chinese commuters told: get off your bikes - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/may/21/china.jonathanwatts
Another article on Bhutan is about the effect TV is having. Developing countries are adopting western ideas and values. Having options for energy production is not a primary goal.
"Four years ago, Bhutan, the fabled Himalayan Shangri-la, became the last nation on earth to introduce television. Suddenly a culture, barely changed in centuries, was bombarded by 46 cable channels. And all too soon came Bhutan's first crime wave - murder, fraud, drug offences." see Fast forward into trouble -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2003/jun/14/weekend7.weekend2
Bottom line: Worldwide, the importance of reducing CO2 emissions and air pollution is secondary to living a full, energy-consuming lifestyle.
The Hansens' prescription is without perspective. A moderate leftist proposal up against wild wild west right wing extremism is without perspective. This is the triangulation approach taken by the Demoks for decades which landed the USA in such a massive ethical, ecological, political, economic, military quagmire.
Their proposal is nowhere near good enough. First they fail to explain why a carbon tax trumps a carbon cap. Either will work if it's enforced. Second, they think O'Bama has to explain things to the people. That's crazy. The people need general, comprehensive enlightenment and responsibility, to actually take over policy making. Third, the Hansens' ideas of electric power production/consumption sound highly uninformed. They don't seem to understand the costs, the hidden costs of carbon capture/sequestration and nuke energy. We've covered these on the CD forums in depth. These approaches are stalled out of the gate, in terms of comprehensive value. They're pathetic.
Fossil/nuke destroys the environment and enslaves the people. Energy policy has to reduce fossil/nuke consumption to something like 1% of current levels. In its place we build a system that protects both the environment and the people. We cut our consumption by a factor of ten, and we shift production to renewable sources and local ownership. With land rights for all, most people will own a piece of energy production. This does two things: Takes political/economic power away from the elites, greatly reducing their destructive rampages, and gives it to the people, greatly benefiting them in a number of related ways.
Food/fuel/materials production is to shift out of elite hands and into the hands of the people. Our target space utilization is 1/3 acre/person. This compares to the current 3 acre/person utilized (with massive fossil/nuke supplement!!). Less than 1% of our land area will be used for electric, and less than 3% for each of food, fuel and materials. This compares to our current utilization of over 25%! Pathetic! It is unacceptable that the Hansens push the destructive status quo, ignoring the progressive approach to energy, which is integrated wonderfully into a complete public policy approach, one that has already earned the full support of the people.
No mention of livestock agriculture and its affects on climate?
I guess global warming isnt that dire then if it wasnt mentioned.
What a bizarre conclusion! The seriousness of AGW is what the man is all about. If you feel Hansen needs to learn more about livestock, maybe you can contact him here: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/
Free ranging grass feeding cattle that are not allowed to eat the grass down to the roots actually sequester carbon into the soil. The problem is feed lot practice, (human) population and gluttony.
Hansen has some valid points about nuclear. Its lifecycle carbon emissions per power generated are about equal to wind, less than PV, and a tiny fraction of coal (1/200). Secondly, its the densest power source we have. A 2400MW station on 1000 acres is eqivalent to almost 500 of the larest (5MW)wind turbines, running at capacity 100% of the time (they don't do that and its more like 1000 wind turbines), over many square miles. As he says, what is needed is perfection of the Gen IV recycling reactors, and the US is the Saudi Arabia of DU.
With perfected nuclear power we can have a landscape much like today's with electricity for everything, including heating homes, personal transportation, heavy industry, desalination and hydrogen production.
It will be good to have this technology ready when the GISS and HadCRUT temperature charts start taking off again, the oceans break down, the US southwest dries up completely, and the right wingers finally realize we have to do something.
Typical energy demands are not as dense as nuclear, by orders of magnitude. We don't need denser power sources, we need more sustainable ones. Nuclear is not one of them.
Hansen is underinformed on this issue, and bbr misses this important aspect.
The problem with any dirty-as-sin power source is that we live in a limited liability "free-market" society. Free for who?
If your 10 billion gallons of mercury-laden sludge spills out and contaminates a river, you as a corporate mogul can simply declare corporate bankruptcy for that particular corp., then live off of your other five or ten investments and move far, far away.
The "fourth generation" concept of nuclear power claims that uranium is currently turned into 1% power and 99% radioactive waste. In theory, the 99% of radioactive waste can be used to generate 99 times more power. In practice this means the corporate mogul has to get some idiot to shovel the radioactive waste. Now, if the corporate mogul can save 10% of his/her costs by buying off an inspector, will it ever happen?
I have seen a proposal to take nuclear waste and dilute it into American products, to the point where it may still be the same amount of radiation but technically it will be diluted below the official "waste" limit. Nice try, scum.
So it's not so much the theory of fourth generation nuclear energy that counts, but how that theory plays out in our corrupt free-market. Who dies? Who cleans up? How well is the shareholders' money protected in case of an accident? Can the shareholders usually keep all the profits and stick the government with the occasional horrifying losses?
These are good concerns, especially as the third world goes nuclear with much less transparency, control of organized crime, and desperate, ignorant people willing to take on dangerous work they don't understand.
Its also a sovereignty issue. If the IAEA finds a government allowing waste disposal or safety shortcuts, what does it do? Show up with the US Marines and shut the reactor down? Lots of uncharted territory.