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The First Mistake: Barack Obama’s Silence on Gaza
Meanwhile, the skies over Gaza, already lacking in any silver-lined clouds, is now thick with leaflets stating that Israel plans to escalate its war, and will begin a new phase in the aggression it launched, with cruel irony, on Christmas Day. As Glenn Greenwald recently observed in Salon.com, there has to be a particularly horrific and inhumane intention behind such an action: to warn people already imprisoned in their shelters - for there are no homes we in the so-called civilized world would recognize as such inside the occupied territories of Palestine - that death is imminent. The refugee camps in Palestine and the deprivation within them are not different from the camps and deprivation that people pretended did not exist in Hamburg, Nordhausen and Munich, and the forefathers of today's Israeli citizens were once given those same intimations of death with the same macabre regularity. We remember the names of those camps, Dora-Mittenbau, Sanchsenhausen, Dachau, even as we do not know how to pronounce the names of today's iterations of those same camps: Nuseirat, Deir el-Balah, Khan Younis.
Over the weekend I was offered tickets to the inauguration including space in a hotel room close to the parade route. The offer came with the promise of chauffeured transport from my Philadelphia home to the hotel and back and the company of good friends. I have one day to make what ought to be an easy decision for someone who worked for twenty solid months by spoken and written word, by physical and ether-based deed, by personal and financial sacrifice, for the election of Barack Obama.
The inauguration of America's first Black president is a notable event. The millions who worked on this campaign and the millions who never thought they would see the day should celebrate an achievement that was as unexpected by our natural tendency toward pessimism as it was pre-ordained by the march of history. No doubt the eyes of the world will be watching on the 20th of January with the same attention with which they watched his victory on November 4th.
But what does an activist like me say to that same world of a man who has refused to comment on the massacre of the Palestinian people including children who are the age of his own daughters, because there can be "only one President at a time," but who has been front and center stage in flagrant disregard of the current Commander-in-Chief with regard to the American economy? Is this our first intimation that the change we can believe in is really an unbelievable continuation of the policy of America first, the rest be damned?
The German newspaper, Sueddeutsche Zeitung no less, scorned Obama for his stance, stating that "Gaza is burning, and Israel's bombs are causing daily casualties, but the world can only expect change at twelve noon sharp on January 20." And, all the way in the Philippines, Randy David writes thus: "By any measure, this is not a war but a slaughter, not a retaliatory response but an outrageous massacre. The Jewish nation's transformation from colossal victim to callous aggressor is complete... As Israelis and Palestinians stared menacingly at each other on Christmas Day, the rest of us stared indifferently, forgetting that, in the last analysis, we are all Gazans."
Is it, then, only our future president who has not understood the situation? Is it, then, only us Americans who have the power to intervene in this monstrous day-light butchery of an entire tribe of people, who feel that good work must wait until the partying is over? Seven years ago, another American president took the sympathy of the world and transformed it into hatred. Just two months ago, Barack Obama won it back on the backs of ordinary Americans. Today he stands on the brink of repeating the biggest mistake of his predecessor. As a man with Barack Obama's upbringing, his global reach, his demonstrated intelligence and humanity, and his oft-repeated commitment to justice for all, that will be unforgivable. We do not expect great vision from fools, but we demand it of our heroes.
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Show AllObama needs to see this! The US is the only country that makes a difference here because Israel is our proxy. We own and control it. It's time to lay down the law -- out of Palestine and end apartheid or we cut off the funds.
The Jaded Prole
Actually, along with increasing glancing blows hourly, it is his second big strike. The first was when he demanded reluctant Congressional Democrats to line up in favor of the greatest transference of wealth in history. And now, when it is clear that the money was thrown into a black hole, Obama plays "tag-team" with Bush to rally Congress to cough up the rest.
I will never forget the protestors outside the gates of his posh Hawaiian vacation digs. When his limo emerged, Obama never looked up. May the record read that he averted his eyes like a coward while the carnage escalated.
Not the first mistake, nor the second...But the first batch of many as he tries to walk this "new centrist" BS.
"We do not expect great vision from fools, but we demand it of our heroes."
WOW! Very powerful statement!
>>I have one day to make what ought to be an easy decision
Flashback to a day 60+ years ago, in a faraway land:
August 15, 1947. India becomes an independent country after a hard-fought struggle. There were celebrations all over India, especially in the capital, New Delhi. But one man was missing - M.K.Gandhi, aka 'Mahatma' (the great soul), who played such an important role in the struggle for freedom. He was in Calcutta, about a 1000 miles away, fasting and praying for communal harmony. True, many Indians were celebrating. But the British had also just divided India into 'India' and 'Pakistan', with 'Pakistan' also comprising of 'Bangladesh' back then. People were suddenly forced to choose, and millions were suddenly uprooted from the land they had lived on for generations. There were communal riots and ordinary people were terrorized. Someone asked Gandhi, "...you dedicated your whole life for the freedom of India. But how come you did not participate in the subsequent celebrations on August 15, 1947?".
His reply: "Our freedom was a hard fought one and I always felt that we should be worthy of it. I did not want India torn to pieces with religious hatred. The communal riots at Noakhali pained me deeply. I felt that suffering caused by Indians was no less painful than the sufferings caused by the British and development of mutual understanding and respect among our people was as important as getting rid of the foreign rule."
And so Gandhi missed the biggest celebration, choosing to calm and stop the mayhem in the eastern part of India in the only way he could - by fasting and praying. He was already 78 and events seemed to be moving beyond his 'control'. Anyway, eventually things calmed down, and Gandhi lived on - for another five months before a religious fanatic shot him dead.
If the situation had been different, and if he thought he could have been of greater use in the capital, I guess he would have been in New Delhi on that day.
Highintel: Can we do better?
DATELINE: MOTEL 6, JERUSALEM by Samuel J. Wurzelbacher
I am recognized on the street. “Hey, Joe the Plumber”, the Israelis call to me. “How about them Yankees?” Neat feeling. Okay, what about Gaza? Everybody tells me not to go there, even if I could go there, which I can’t. So I’m here in Jerusalem to interview Jew Sixpack and find out what he’s feeling. I talk to Shmeuel Levitsky, a Ukranian Jew from Kremenchug by way of Brooklyn. “So, Shmeuel”, I say, “what about Gaza?” “Blivet”, he replies. “Ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag. That’s what.” Most everybody I talk to says more or less the same thing. I will keep looking for a patriotic, muscular Jew and report back tomorrow.
Ironically, that's what they used to say about Jewish ghettoes in Europe. Racism is racism ad the US should not be supporting a terrorist state based on ethnic purity.
The Jaded Prole
voodoo child
It's the empire full speed ahead, but who's empire? How many of Obama's staff will have dual Israel/ US citizenship? How much of that transfer of wealth, I'm talking Bernie Madoff, went to support state terrorism?
We shouldn't be surprised by Obama, after all he was the corporate candidate, McCain was their second choice
I didn't expect much from Obama but I am disappointed already. He has already made many mistakes, favoring the Wall Street bailouts, the greatest theft in world history. He has appointed too many Clinton people to his administration. His administration will be like a Third Clinton term. He even appointed the hawkish Hillary to lead the state department - this evil woman will not go away. She doesn't seem like an improvement over Rice. I think Clinton will have a similar record, and is under the thumb of the Zionist lobby.
Obama's silence on the Gaza massacre isn't very surprising. His silence shows he approves, and that is already damaging the reputation of the U.S even further since it looks like simply getting rid of Bush isn't actually making things better.
And by the big financial institutions, which I continue to insist are criminal conspiracies. It's as if they said, "This Bush guy is making us look bad; what we need is a nice clean looking black guy who is good a speechifying, who can say all the stuff liberals long to hear."
Here is a list I found (the accuracy of which I cannot vouch for) of Obama contributors from the now bankrupt Lehman Brothers:
CEO Richard Fuld ($2,300), President Joseph Gregory ($4,600) and dozens of other top execs, amounting to over $395,000, this is just chickenfeed. The candidate’s bundlers among the firm’s top echelon have raised the big bucks for their messiah. Get a gander at this list of Lehman luminaries:
• Christine Forester - ($500,000-plus) senior executive.
• Mark Gilbert - ($500,000-plus) senior executive.
• John Rhea - ($500,000-plus) managing co-director of Lehman Bros. Global Investment Banking.
• Theodore Janulis – Bundler (over $100,000) & Lehman Brothers, managing director of Global Mortgages.
• Nadja Fidelia – Bundler (over $50,000) managing director.
0bama has become complicit to the violence in Gaza through his silence. In fact, his short senatorial career does not have any record of standing tall for a moral cause against the Bush administration. His only stand against the war in Iraq was taken while he was a state senator in Illinois. Despite the current brouhaha that surrounds that state's politics, his anti-war position was notably not taken at a high-stakes table in the American political casino.
I am an American who is registering my personal outrage at the unnecessary killing of civilians throughout Gaza. I do not sympathize with Obama's designated office offering him a place that requires silence in the face of human slaughter. Moral high ground is not a quiet place in today's world.
Terrorists are criminals, they aren't countries. Criminals are regularly dealt with by the police. Granted, Hamas police were under motivated to find the rocketeers who plauged southern Israel. But a request for a neutral force of police influence may well have been able to seek out these international criminals. This was not tried. Another solution might well have been through the diplomatic routes that so many disagreeing Isreal citizens have been demanding for so long.
Peace comes only when it is demanded. Where is the demand for peace today? With the dead? With the injured? With the living? Is it with Obama? His silence is unacceptable.
"Where is the demand for peace today?" Try "about a couple of thousand" Israelis in Tel Aviv who protested the Gaza operation. http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45371
Thank you for sending me the site suggested in your e-mail. It reaffirms that there are many people, even in Israel who are anxious for peace. I hope other people will read the site you sent me to.
As we all know, it is easy to tear the world down. It is not so easy to build it. Hopefully, we can do the latter.
No matter what Obama says US policy will remain the same until Obama takes office. Should Obama express views different than Bush before taking office, then other countries may act in such a way as to harm what is proposed by Obama.
Lawrence A. Welsch
lwelsch@gmail.com
Obama's silence on Gaza is not a mistake: it is his inauguration speech as servant of Empire and its imperialist outposts.
I am encouraged that no one on this comment page has tried to make an excuse for Obama’s horrid behavior in the face of the Gaza slaughter. Too many people are willing to blame the Israel Lobby for the complacency of American politicians in the fact of Israeli aggression, as if these men and women have no choice, for the sake of their political careers. I believe they do have a choice, and they choose complicity in crimes against humanity in the face of political danger. When it is too dangerous for them to support IDF crimes, only then will they do the right thing.
As both a Christian and a Jew, I am proud to support Israel.
No excuses are necessary.
Are you proud to support the terrorist group Hamas?
Are you proud of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S995NCeaUg
And are you proud of your Israeli government killing innocent Palestinian children and women and men? It's a slaughter going on over there and we're getting drunk on Obama kool aid.
I think it's more of a case of 'Fundy Koolaid,' and comes in many different colors and flavors. One of the most heinous varieties had a bitter taste and a distinctive 'almond' aroma. And the tunnel vision it generates can be used to justify just about anything, regardless of how ridiculous it may be.
Sorry, but Israeli television has never sunk that low.
You dodged my question with another question.
So to answer yours, no. I'm never proud when innocent civilians die in the midst of war. War is horrible. But whereas Israel is pursuing a policy to try to minimize civilian casualties, Hamas is actually trying to maximize them. That fact seems lost on you.
Now that I've answered your question, perhaps you could answer some of mine.
How can you support Hamas's efforts to brainwash children into hating Jews? Is that acceptable behavior? Is terrorism an acceptable tactic to you?
That's nonsense. The Israeli army was briefed to minimize *Israeli* casualties which means bombings. 2800 bombing runs are the cause of the grotesque Gaza civilian casualties. Gaza has been hammered: what Barak calls "the Israeli Iron Fist" . Probably 400 civilians dead in a few weeks. Hamas killed 14 innocent Israeli's with missiles in 7 years.
I say two major mistakes were made: one when Arafat nixed the last deal he had on the table and when democratically elected Hamas was labeled a "terrorist" group instead of being recognized as human beings and dealt with in those regards.
"Terror, terrorism and terrorist" are knee jerk words the military industrial complex has been conditioning the population with for over 20 years (as "commie" was losing it's efficacy). It's easy to fall prey to ones fear buttons being pushed and bombing a "terrorist" as opposed to dealing with a human being where fear, unless conditioned, is not the first natural reaction to the frustrations that arise in human relation.
uh oh, are you a 'jew for jesus' or a christian zionist' i wonder...Just curious, honestly...Or are you of a mixed religious background?
readytotransform,
My mother was Catholic and my father was agnostic. I was raised Unitarian and considered myself one, until I was about 28, at which point I converted to Christianity after meeting my wife. Almost three months ago, I discovered through an online ancestry service that my grandmother on my father's side (who I never got the chance to meet) was actually a Jewish woman. Technically that makes me Jewish by reform/Israeli standards. so unless you follow unless you follow Orthodox or ultra Orthodox Judaism, I'm Jewish. That last issue has been hard for me to understand, especially as a Christian.
It's only recently that I've begun to feel a connection to my Jewish heritage or understand the meaning of term "the Jewish People". I'll admit, it's been difficult for me to comprehend that I'm part of the Jewish People, I'm a Jewish person, I'm a Jew. But I've always been fascinated by the Old Testament and I find the intersections of the Judeo-Christian faith to posses endless complexities. What does it mean now that I've found out I'm Jewish? I'm not sure yet. I'm still figuring that out.
I don't label myself a Zionist, but in the same way Joe Biden has said, "I am a Zionist", I would be one as well. I'm not like David Ben-Gurion or Ariel Sharon if that's what you mean. But I do support Israel.
I'm also Irish, Dutch, and Mexican. Right now I just want to study my heritage and find out more about my ancestry.
Are you being derogatory when you ask if I am I a "'jew for jesus' or a christian zionist'? Do you have a problem with Jesus, Jews, Christians, or Zionists? Or all of us?
joehope,
Thank you for a sincere response.
I do have a problem with christian zionists and jews for jesus. They are part of the neocon agenda and very souless, not too bright and the largest supporters of israeli military. They believe in the rapture and that the second coming is through the gates of jerusalem, etc., etc....Many of these groups exist in the u.s. in force.
One thing i agree with you about, is that these posters, a few of them, are just hate mongers in general. They haven't been out in the streets doing the peace work for the past 25 years, which i have done. I think they are just pissed off about this issue. I dont think they were out there during u.s. in el salvador, nicaragua, and iran-contra (which implicated israel as well, by the way).
They are new voices on this site, which i have been reading for nine years. Usually it was intelligent and respectful ....There is a new virulent type of posting going on here, and i think they are one issue people. Too bad they don't get that it is time to transcend labels and tribalism and religious divides and start being human beings. They don't learn from history, except to decide who should kill, die---who has the right to be the victim and whom the victimizer. Very old paradigm.
To be a Jew, technically, your mother must be one. Also as a male you must be ritually circumcised and you're in luck because I've got my trusty pocketknife! Ao, the truth is out, you're just another an evangelic Christer spouting shit. Your DNA is irrelevant anyway, support for Israeli racism and atrocities is just that no matter your geneology.
The Jaded Prole
"To be a Jew, technically, your mother must be one" "Also as a male you must be ritually circumcised"
According to who? Not reform Judaism. Get your facts straight.
Are you Orthodox or ultra Orthodox?
Oregoncharles
Ru Freeman, so you're going to stay home in protest, I assume from your words here. Please come out and say it!
How could you now go to his inaugural ball after Obama's complicity in this atrocity? He could have spoken out against the slaughter and perhaps saved the lives of some children. BUT HE DIDN'T SPEAK OUT AND SAVE THE LIVES OF THE LITTLE CHILDREN! Don't go to that ball. Boycott it! Otherwise, I can only deem your conscience, behind your words here, utterly vacuous.
topaz
so many negative,nasty ,deconstructive comments....give Obama a chance,he is the only one we have...how about some support,go do something constructive in your community,or go to gaza,its so easy to critisize,what are you all doing to turn things around? and yes,there is only one president at the time,he had the elegance and the wisdon to respect that frustrating fact.and yes he did pick a lot of former Clinton poeple to work with,in this climate,he picked poeple who are very qualified to help him accomplish his many goals...lets help any way we can,and roll up our sleeves,get involved instead of bitching and critisizing.
After the Bush years, I'd be happy for a repeat of the Clinton years! What's the matter with peace and prosperity?
Silence?!?
Pay attention, please.
Is this silence?
""We have a situation in which not only is Iran exporting terrorism through Hamas, through Hezbollah, but they are pursuing a nuclear weapon that could potentially trigger a nuclear arms race in the Middle East."
- Barack Obama Mon. Jan 12. 2009
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Economy/Story?id=6618199&page=2
Then there is,
"His top political adviser, David Axelrod, has been quoted as saying, “when bombs are raining down on your citizens there is an urge to respond and act to put an end to that. That’s what [Obama] believes.” Axelrod has said also that the Obama administration plans to work closely with Israel, which he called Washington’s “most important ally in the region.”"
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/01/11/1002158/op-ed-kings-pro-israel-legacy-should-guide-obama
Or Obama's previous statement,
"During a visit last July to Sderot, an Israeli town that has come under frequent rocket attack, U.S. president-elect Barack Obama observed: "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.""
Silence?
What silence?
Why is it ok for Israilis to bomb Palestinians, but not ok for the Palestinians to defend themselves? Why is there such a blind spot when it comes to the Palestinians?
EuroDan,
Simple, there is a difference between self-defense and terrorism.
On 911, the terrorists attacked America. They had no right to do that. It cannot be justified under any conditions. It was pure cold-blooded murder.
When America invaded Afghanistan, we had the right to, because it was in self-defense. Even the UN approved our mission.
The same is true for Hamas and Israel. Hamas is a terrorist group and Israel has a right to defend herself.
Now do you get it?
"When America invaded Afghanistan, we had the right to, because it was in self-defense. Even the UN approved our mission."
Idiot ! We should have cut off our business ties to Saudi Arabia since the hijackers were from there and not Afghanistan. Besides, you proudly gave Uncle Sam your tax dollars to install the Taliban.
The stories that never get air time: installing the Shah, funding bin Laden and Hussein...
Plus the initial cluster bombing of Afghanistan was hardly self-defense, but an act of blind vengeance...part of that eye for an eye making the whole world watch American idol thing.
WYGUNSTON,
Saudi Arabia was harboring Bin Laden and Mohamed Atta?!? Quick go tell the 911 commission. Because after interviewing over 1,200 people in 10 countries and reviewing over two and a half million pages of documents - they missed that part.
Yes, many are the hijackers were Saudis. But so what? Saudi Arabia condemned the attacks. Was the US government behind the Oklahoma Bombing just because Timothy McVeigh was an American? Obviously not.
You are expressing what is known as a logical fallacy.
Yes, we defended Afghanistan against the Soviet Invasion back in the 1980's, and yes Bin Laden fought against the Soviets as well. But we didn't fund him. The CIA didn't fund him. Besides, he wasn't a terrorist back then.
As for the US funding Saddam, that was a long time ago and I blame the Republicans for that. The Democrats in Congress opposed Saddam since the beginning of the Iran/Iraq war. Don't forget that Al Gore was one of the most vocal advocates of the first Gulf War, and that it was Clinton who wrote the policy of regime change into law.
Simple, huh?
Joe, you are absolutely right that there is a difference between self-defense and terrorism. Terrorism is a last resort of desperate people who have lost faith that the political process can address their problems. However ugly, it is the shout of a voice that has not been heard. It is the report, to an unheeding world or nation, that all is not in fact well. It is a cry of pain from a part of the body. Self-defence, on the other hand, whatever it meant before, has now become the name for what nations do when they commit acts that are 100's of times more atrocious than any terrorist act, all the time backed up by every piece of propaganda that the machine of the state can muster. I am sorry that you are still swallowing propaganda, like that coming from the Israeli government.
Let me explain with some numbers:
Israeli deaths in the invasion of Gaza and from all Hamas missiles ~40
Cause of Hamas missiles: Israeli blockade of food and essential supplies to Gaza after Hamas wins democratic elections.
Palestinian deaths in the invasion of Gaza approaching 900, 40% civilian
That's just a little one. Check out this next one:
US deaths in the invasion of Iraq: ~4200, almost all military personel.
Cause of US invasion: stupidity and grandiose delusional picture of New American Century (oh and I forgot: fictional WMD intelligence to scare us into submission).
Iraqi deaths attributable to the invasion of Iraq: lowest possible civilian bodycount: 90,000 civilians. Statistically derived total estimate from http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html: 1.3 million
The latter estimate eclipses the Rwandan genocide. That's in a country of 28 million.
What did Rumsfeld call it? Collateral damage?
And we're not even talking yet about the wounded.
Now you can argue about about the numbers, but the lowest ones (which are certainly wrong) are already atrocious. And you can argue about the Iraqi civil war but it wouldn't have happened without the US invasion. And it was predicted by many who were ignored by Rumsfeld and co. Hell it was predicted by Cheney in 1991.
It's true that I am not discussing Afghanistan here as that is more nuanced.
BUT MY POINT:
"Self-defence", "Protecting our interests" blah blah blah...............
Look at the numbers: the nations are committing atrocities using every military and media resource at their disposal. The terrorists are taking potshots back. Even 911, and it's incredible to say it, is a potshot compared to the ruin visited on Iraq by the US. I'm sorry to capitalize the next part for your attention, but you really need to do the numbers and draw the obvious conclusion:
GOVERNMENTS DO REALLY REALLY BAD THINGS AND THEIR CITIZENS HAVE
NO IDEA BECAUSE THEY SWALLOW THE LIES THAT THEIR TV TELLS THEM.
The rest of the world has been watching the US population being fed garbage and deluded nonsense since 911. You have been living in la-la land. God help you if you ever have to face genuine national tragedy involving millions of deaths, as experienced by for example Russia, China and Germany. You have your democracy to thank for this, partly. Guard it carefully.
Now that the real journalists like Bob Woodward have gone and dug up the facts on this outgoing administration and its wars, the mainstream has shifted to a different position ("oh if we knew then what we know now..."). But you apparently are still swallowing it.
Why do you have to adhere to your identity as an "American"? Why can't you be a human being instead? If the Israeli government thought of Palestinian children as human beings rather than as human shields for Hamas, they could not drop 2800 bombs on a 10x10 mile densely populated urban area.
Now do you get it?
In some ways it *is* quite simple: DON'T DO EVIL THINGS. And seek out the facts to help you with this.
[PS: I speak from *some* experience. Although now I live in the US, I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 1970s on the Protestant side. Friends of ours had their families shattered by IRA terrorism. I hate terrorists. Every day on TV it was bombs and guns and retribution. But that was when I learned to spot the kind of "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" rubbish that Bush started serving us on 9/12. I thought to myself: it took us 40 years to dig ourselves out of the sectarian strife in Ulster. I wonder if the Americans can learn the lesson faster. I hoped so. And in fact I think you may. But you have to, because the rest of the world is counting on you to do so....because in fact, our dreams are things we have in common.]
If you remember back in childhood there was always a certain kid everyone picked on...usually as a projection of feelings of some sort of inadequacy. Pick on Palestine so we don't have to look ourselves in the mirror or have others peeking at us through our windows. In other words nations have failed to develop past being a young adolescent.
Puck..Twain,
So it has nothing to do with this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S995NCeaUg
Hamas can't play the part of the victim.
They are perverse Jew-hating fundamentalists.
Move on Jobama!
Alas, Obama, like Bush and Clinton before him, pledges allegiance to AIPAC.
Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says that he told President Bush not to vote in favor of the United Nations' last week resolution on Gaza.
"I told him (Bush) the United States could not vote in favor. It cannot vote in favor of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favor," said Olmert on Monday.
Last Thursday, the UN Security Council adopted resolution 1860, calling for an immediate ceasefire between Hamas and Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip and an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. The US was the only country that abstained while fourteen of the council's 15 members voted in favor of the resolution.
And so it was...
Mr Obama is a puppet of the Zionist state ,for they control the power and finances of the USA. It is only the Arab states that can save the Palestinians and they are deeply lacking in resolve, sacrificing the Palestine peoples on their respective alters to the dogs of war in the hope they will be spared being carved up into smaller states.
The Anglo Saxon Diaspora along the past colonial powers ARROGANTLY created the state of Israel in 1947 out of Palestine .
These colonial Nations and their Spawns are seen as predatory nations by 80 % of the nations of this planet. The Nations who have felt their sting physically and economically, have survived in various forms
Most Nations in Asia have survived them at huge phisical and economic cost emerging with their culture and languages intact , Africa is still vulnerable, the so called Americas Australia New Zeeland , the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands WERE NOT AS FORTUNATE , they have suffered physical and cultural genocide the survivors languish in psychological disarray .
Palestine was dismantled in 1947 and parts given to a newly formed state called Israel The Palestinian Peoples are resisting that land grab , fighting for their homeland from 1947 until the present
Who ever is reading this ….. Question: Were you a Palestinian what would you Do?
If you are from a Predator nation you most likely will find for the Israel peoples
However if you are past victims of a predator nation you will empathies and find for the Palestinian peoples and that is 80 % of the planets peoples
Palestine was nothing more then a creation of Great Britain after it defeated the Ottoman Empire in WW1. No such place ever existed in history. The British created modern so called Palestine and for two generations the only people that called themselves Palestinians ironically were it's growing Jewish population. Prior to 1917 this region was part of the Ottoman Empires's Syrian administrative region. The Arabs living there never called themselves Palestinian's till Arafat created this group whole cloth and with it the myth of Arab Palestine. If such a State had ever existed then why didn't Jordan and Egypt create it again in 48' even after the 1st War against Israel? They held Gaza and the West Bank and east Jerusalem till 1967 but NEVER gave the Arab people living in these areas a State called Palestine , did they? It's bad enough Israel is seen by most of u as some ogre and not another legally constituted Sate but you don't even have your historical facts straight. You all come in here and rant on and on puking the straight Hamas rejectionist/eliminationists position line and verse like a bunch of sheep. Most of u have no idea what Hamas really is all about preferring to believe they're a bunch of boy scouts. What's even worse is your one dimensional ignorance of what is really going down here. Israel's silent allies against Hamas is BIG parts of the Sunni Arab world that is in a long standing war against the Shia Muslims of Iran. Hamas is an Iranian puppet org. and is being armed by Iran as was Hezbollah ( another group u all so love). Don't believe it? Then tell me where oh where are the legions of Arab armies marching to help their brothers in Gaza? I'll tell u where home watching the local soccer match and relaxing. They could care less what happens to the fanatics of Hamas. Gaza is to them is just another burden they'd rather ignore.
Cute history lesson (though you never write about how Hamas was started), now, about those children being bombed and about to be bombed; and the ones in Israel cowering in the bomb shelters; and the oxidized uranium going into the atmosphere in exchange for collapsing (temporarily) some tunnels...and the momentum for the next catastrophe of our war behavior...any feelings?
War is truly horrible. It is horrible for all sides and everyone caught in between. But in this case, peace can be achieved so simply. Without one more bullet being fired. Without another missile or rocket attack. Without another injured child. All Hamas has to do is lay down their arms and recognize Israel's right to exist. That is the non-violent solution to this conflict. Not the suicidal/homicidal hubris of Hamas.
What more can Israel do? Hamas will not cease to attack Israel until the have wiped it from the map. If they had access to the weaponry Israel has, then you can bet that every last Israeli would be dead by now.
"What more can Israel do?"
For starters, obey the UN resolution calling for it to go back to its original borders.
Quit using God as a real estate salesman.
Hand over all settlements to the Palestinians, and pay damages for the olive groves and property destroyed.
Pay attention to the many Israeli intellectuals and ordinary citizens who are trying to rescue Israel's soul.
Stop making an industry of the holocaust.
And for the U.S., recognize its murderous attack on the U.S.S. Liberty and pay dmages to the survivors of the dead U.S. Sailors.
Withdraw Israeli citizenship from any Jewish person elected to public office in the United Staes.
Renounce all foreign aid monetary assistance from the United States.
Pay damges to the Christian denominations for the atrocities visited on churches during the invasion of Bethlehem.
And finally, stop the incessnt whining about being misunderstood by the rest of the world.
Jesus B, Ochoa
El Paso, Texas
Predator nation...hmm, that's a new one - for past (really past?) colonial powers. It takes courage for someone to recognize that the group (or tribe or nation or country, whatever) one identifies so strongly with could have had some unsavory past. It takes even more courage to recognize and oppose a wrong being committed in your name, as it happens. There have been a few individuals in the past - such as Mark Twain. For all the 'ranting' going on here, the positive side I see is the courage to look at oneself (one's own country) in the mirror.
Highintel: Can we do better?
Be still folks. As you now see all over the world people want a piece of these Jews. Shortly the wrath of many Americans will be taken out on individual Jews in our hometowns due to the fact that our legislators have sold their constituents out. Our Rep and Senator is shitting in their pants after their votes were posted in the local papers. Town hall meeting have already been scheduled and candidates who will oppose them are being lined up and will be funded. AIPAC OR THE 120 OTHER pac GROUPS CAN'T VOTE FOR THEM IN INDIVIDUAL AREAS. By the way, the one that turns my stomach the most is that weasel-looking Jew Cliff May and the group in Defense of Democracies. Israel is a theocracy and a treacherous one at that.
"people all over the world want a piece of these jews"? "weasel-looking jews"...So much for CD being read by progressives and intelligent individuals.
I swear it changed since they supported obama so shamelessly. It is instant karma!
I'll bet you are for capitol punishment too...
Jonah wrote,
"these Jews",
"the wrath of many Americans will be taken out on individual Jews in our hometowns"
"weasel-looking Jew"...
It's getting frightening on these boards! I hope they don't get shut down.
Don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
FACT CHECK: Israel is a secular democracy not a theocracy, and AIPAC is just another lobbying group like MOveON.
He made that mistake a long time ago and that wasn't his first and probably won't be his last.