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Four CIA Chiefs Said 'Don't Reveal Torture Memos'
Agency's ex-directors objected to interrogation techniques being revealed. But Barack Obama went ahead anyway.
WASHINGTON - Four former CIA directors opposed the release of classified Bush-era interrogation memos, officials say, describing objections that went all the way to the White House and slowed disclosure of the records. Former CIA chiefs Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet and John Deutch all called the White House in March warning that release of the so-called "torture memos" would compromise intelligence operations, current and former officials say.
Former CIA directors General Michael Hayden (above), Porter Goss, George Tenet and John Deutch fought the White House over release of embarrassing documents. (AFP) President Barack Obama
ultimately overruled the objections after internal discussions that
intensified in the weeks that followed the former directors'
intervention. The memos were released on Thursday.
Mr Obama's involvement grew as the decision neared, and he even led a National Security Council session on the matter, four senior administration officials said. White House adviser David Axelrod, who said he also talked to Mr Obama about the pending release of the memos in recent weeks, said the ex-directors' opposition was considered seriously but did not impede the decision-making process. "The CIA directors weighed in and it slowed things down," Mr Axelrod said on Friday.
The memos detailed the legal rationales that senior Bush administration lawyers drew up authorising the CIA to use simulated drowning and other harsh techniques on terror suspects. They described how prisoners were naked, shackled and hooded at the start of interrogation sessions. When the CIA interrogator removed the hood, the questioning began. When a prisoner resisted, the documents outlined techniques the CIA could use to bring him back in line:
* Nudity, sleep deprivation and dietary restrictions kept prisoners compliant and reminded them they had no control over their basic needs. Clothes and food could be used as rewards for co-operation.
* Slapping prisoners on the face or abdomen was allowed. So was grabbing them forcefully by the collar or slamming them into a false wall, a technique called "walling" intended to induce fear rather than pain.
* Water hoses were used to douse the prisoners for minutes at a time. The hoses were turned on and off as the interrogation continued.
* Prisoners were put into one of three "stress positions", such as sitting on the floor with legs out straight and arms raised in the air.
* At night, the detainees were shackled, standing naked or wearing a nappy. The length of sleep deprivation varied but was authorised for up to 180 hours, or seven and a half days. Interrogation sessions ranged from 30 minutes to several hours and could be repeated as necessary, and as approved by psychological and medical teams.
The Bush administration approved the use of waterboarding, a technique in which a suspect was strapped to a board, his feet raised above his head, and his face covered with a wet cloth as interrogators poured water over it. The body responds as if it is drowning, over and over as the process is repeated. "We find that the use of the waterboard constitutes a threat of imminent death," Justice Department attorneys wrote. "From the vantage point of any reasonable person undergoing this procedure in such circumstances, he would feel as if he is drowning at the very moment of the procedure due to the uncontrollable physiological sensation he is experiencing."
But attorneys decided that waterboarding caused "no pain or actual harm whatsoever" and so did not meet the "severe pain and suffering" standard to be considered torture.
President Obama has ended the CIA's interrogation programme. CIA interrogators are now required to follow army guidelines, under which waterboarding and many of the techniques listed above are prohibited.
The President gave the question of these documents' release "the appropriate reflection", Mr Axelrod said. He said Mr Obama's deliberations revolved around "the issue of national security versus the rule of law", and amounted to "one of the most profound issues the President of the United States has to deal with".
On 18 March, the Justice Department told the Director of the CIA, Leon Panetta, as he was leaving for a foreign trip, that it would be recommending that the White House release the memos almost completely uncensored, officials said. Mr Panetta told the US Attorney General, Eric Holder, and officials in the White House that the administration needed to discuss the possibility that the memos' release might expose CIA officers to lawsuits on allegations of torture and abuse. Mr Panetta also pushed for more censorship of the memos, officials said. The Justice Department informed other senior CIA leaders of the decision to release the memos and, as a courtesy, told former agency directors.
Senior CIA officials objected, arguing that the release would damage the agency's ability to interrogate prisoners. They also said the move would tarnish CIA officers who had acted on the Bush officials' legal guidance. And they warned that the action would erode foreign intelligence services' trust in the CIA's ability to protect national security secrets. The four former directors immediately protested to the White House, officials said. The enhanced interrogation procedures outlined in the memos had been approved on Mr Tenet's watch during the Bush administration.
On 19 March, the Justice Department requested a two-week delay in responding to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) that asked for release of the memos. Justice officials told the court dealing with that lawsuit that it was considering releasing the memos voluntarily. Two weeks later, Justice Department lawyers told the court the memos would come out on or before 16 April.
Inside the White House, according to aides, Mr Obama expressed concerns that releasing the memos could threaten current intelligence operations as well as US officials. He also echoed the CIA chiefs' worries about US relationships with always-skittish foreign intelligence services. The Justice Department argued that the ACLU lawsuit would in the end force the administration to release the documents anyway, officials said.
Mr Obama eventually agreed. The administration decided it would be better to make the release voluntarily, so as not to be seen as being forced to do so, the officials said. The only items blacked out included names of US employees or foreign services or items related to techniques still in use. Still, CIA officials needed reassurance about the decision, the officials said.
Mr Obama took the unusual step of accompanying his decision with a personal letter to CIA employees. He also devoted a big share of his public statement to saying and repeating that he believed strongly in keeping intelligence operations secret, and operations about them classified. He said he would not apologise for doing so in the future
What the memos reveal
The Bush administration memos describe the interrogation methods used against 28 terror suspects, the fullest government account of the techniques to date. They range from waterboarding - or simulated drowning - to using a plastic neck collar to slam detainees into walls. The treatment of two suspects in particular are described:
Abu Zubaydah In 2002, the Justice Department authorised CIA interrogators to step up the pressure even further on the suspected terrorist. Justice Department lawyers said the CIA could place Zubaydah in a cramped confinement box. Because Zubaydah appeared afraid of insects, they also authorised interrogators to place him in a box filled with caterpillars (though the tactic was not in fact used). Finally, the Justice Department authorised interrogators to take a step into what the United States now considers torture: waterboarding. Zubaydah was strapped to a board, his feet raised above his head. His face was covered with a wet cloth as interrogators poured water over it.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed A memo dated 30 May 2005 says that before the harsher methods were used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a top al-Qa'ida detainee, he refused to answer questions about pending plots against the US. "Soon, you will know," he said, according to the memo. It says the interrogations later extracted details of a plot called the "second wave", using East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner in Los Angeles. Plots that were disrupted, the memos say, include the alleged effort by Jose Padilla to detonate a "dirty bomb", spreading radioactive materials by means of explosives.
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Show Allthose "... cia officers who had acted on the bush officials' legal guidance..." are just as complicit as bush and cheney. if ethics and morality are thrown out the door, then a free-for-all exists, of which dickhead cheney and dumbass bush need to be active participants in. seemingly, throats are in sight here.
america, do not let this opportunity slip away it is up to us to continue the roar.
The attempted dust up by these former CIA bosses just adds to the notion that the agency is cryptic and evil. I cannot support people that commit these acts. I'm ashamed of them.
Back in the 1950s, the CIA (OSS) was destroyed by zealots in the Congress. This led to the Vietnam War and ignorance of 1/5th of the world's population (China).
Bush (and to some extent Clinton) managed to destroy our intelligence capabilites in the Middle East. This lead to the tragedy that is playing out in all countries from Egypt to Islamic India.
We need intellignece, good intelligence. By replacing "civilian" intelligence with military intelligence (including Hayden in charge of the CIA) we have moved from relative control and transparency to zero control and transaparency.
By purging the CIA of Valerie Plaime and her Middle Eastern network, we have become more dependent upon military intelligence.
Why are there no hearings about the destruction of the "civilian" CIA and the repalcement by military inteeligence?
We need good intelligence, not military intelligence, to avoid the mistakes that we are committing in Afghanistan, Pakistan and even Somalia.
The American people must get beyond the "need to know" mentality.
Intelligence information gotten through methods that violate the Constitution and human rights highlight persons ill equipped to serve the interests of a Democracy. Despite the projection of their aggressive ignorance they should be opposed and their actions openly reviled.
Daniel Ellsberg's "Secrets" describes how accurate information is either distorted or discorded as it's passed up through political channels. Policy determines what information is selected, not the other way around; despite being given, early and repeatedly thereafter, the intelligence that made it clear that the war against the Vietnamese had no chances of succeeding, successive administrations were obliged to continue imperial policies.
Obama is a liminal figure, releasing torture memos in order to try to show good faith with international law, but unable to repudiate imperial policies, only able to try to couch them in marginally more palatable terminology & postures.
Yes, like refusing to say CIA "fixed" intelligence, but willing to say cherry-picked intelligence. The former being an act of treason, while the latter policy. Maybe we are fooling ourselves into thinking Obama actually does have the authority to over-ride the Pentagon, or G.H.W. Bush's CIA?
thong-girl
Just so.... wants to be good... but has inherited an empire and doesn't really rule the empire.
He must ride it... or it... Congress, corporations and bureaucracy will block him at every turn.
Indeed if he did oppose torture and empire itself, his only hope would be to build pressure against it at the grass roots... releasing memos might be seen as part of that strategy.
Nobody within 100 miles of real power, imperial power, objects to torture. Opposition is only found futher afield. Could you and I and a million well meaning souls support a President and enable him to dismantle the empire, prosecute the criminals and return (or give for the first time) the nation to the people?
No, I doubt it. Whether he is a good soul trapped in the throne of a bad empire, or whether he is a compromiser who is trapped in the throne of a bad empire, he is a man without significant power against the empire.
It's an interesting situation: imagine that you were Obama and you wanted to have 8 years to accomplish something, or even 4, and it required the support of people who had supported, enabled and approved torture. Would you fall on your sword for this issue?
Saint_Just
You Nailed Obama! Nice! The lowlife is "Unable to repudiate imperial policies."
The Villian. The US is an Imperialist Capitalist economy run by multi-nationals, "repudiating" Imperialism would be called a REVOLUTION.
And By God that bastard Obama is not a revolutionary.
But he promised to change everything, make the first last,
the last first.
He Lied To Me.
Cuba, Nuclear Arms Reductions, Chavez, 17 million undoc workers legalized, memos released, Lisa Jackson. That was all last week. Pretty amazing week of progress as well as regress. Both. A Mix.
Right The Hell On Obama. The Hell with the Four Horseman.
SmokinJoe
We are discussing torture techniques that the world has rejected. The ex-CIA directors don't object to the techniques being used, only revealed. They are very open about wanting their depraved filth to continue, but never be seen in daylight, because to reveal it is to hamper their ability to do what the rest of their species says is unconscionable.
Sioux Rose
J.H. Excellent point. Is there anything more cowardly than holding people (out-numbered or out-gunned) against their wills and then doing anything a depraved mind feels allowed to do? Imagine the types of people (how sick they are to start with) who sign up for this type of "work."
This is an epidemic happening throughout local police forces. The remedies are not apparent and until we decide we can't find safety using these tactics, they will grow far worse. I think Obama has a chance of eliminating it at the Federal levels, but the local problems are here to stay.
thong-girl
Thong girl, Obama only released this information because he realized that it would ultimately be released anyway. That is no sign of courage, just good gamesmanship. The police have been psychologically enabled under Bush to unleash their urges for control absent Constitutional checks and balances. Obams's open support for not punishing persons who violate the Constitution continues to enable the steady march against the Constitution. Your concerns are justified. The police are a part of a political economic security system that believes in separateness and because of that poses a great danger. Only a respectful belief in the interconnectedness of people and the well being that flows from it, will derail this extra-constitutional behavior. Obama's actions have clearly positioned him in the conventional Elite's belief system. The necessary change to blunt the rush to Fascism is an understanding of the oneness in the minds, hearts, and spirits of people. The question is, how do we create the understanding of our interconnectedness and it's benefits in the minds of the majority of Americans who have been historically conditioned to believe in individualism and competition as opposed to oneness and cooperation? It is a race of sorts and the media is on the Fascist team. That is our challenge.
Do you think the people are up to it? I am guessing you believe he is not, or he is waiting for critical mass to move him?
thong-girl
I believe that Obama will blow with the winds. His actions do not indicate a set of core values that reflects an understanding of our interconnectedness, quite the opposite.
Regarding the people I will defer to one of my old history professors, Professor J.A.O. Larsen. He was a scholar of democracies. One of his conclusions was that democracies that value the input of the people, votes, are marginally better than other types of democracies where voting is restricted to a specific narrow group. Although this is not a ringing endorsement of the people, it does identify the thin margin by which we maintain our liberty. So it appears to me that if we have "just enough," enlightened Citizens to tip the balance that we will prevail. I believe that we, if we put our shoulders to the wheel, can find just enough enlightened Citizens to push back Fascism, just as our fathers and mothers did.
Actually much of the world still uses these, and far worse tactics. Why else would Bush and Co. have shipped people off to other countries while we were starting to torture people? Because they tortured much, much more. The world that has rejected these techniques are mostly the advanced democratically elected countries of Europe. And naturally they also fall short of their claimed ideals from time to time.
Look at this guy. Balding, wire-rimmed glasses, quietly dilligent, he chooses his words with care like some anesthesiologist measuring out his potions seeking to deaden any sensitivity of anyone to the violence about to be inflicted upon their subjects.
At least medical personnel are pledged to "first do no harm". Military and governmental admisntrators have no higher ethic and pledge than to "follow orders". Like Eichmann these folks are most remarkable for how unassuming and ordinary they look and act. Such ordinary folk are are the backbone of the collective tyranny being inflicted upon the U.S. population.
Poet
I agree wholeheartedly Poet. There are keys to unlocking the dependence that Americans feel to this corrupt and dangerous system, thereby giving it life. Discovering and using those keys are required for decency and democratic civilization to once again become enabled. Understanding that military leaders undermine democratic principles is one of those keys.
"But attorneys decided that waterboarding caused "no pain or actual harm whatsoever" and so did not meet the "severe pain and suffering" standard to be considered torture."
I wonder if these Ivory-Tower attorneys would arive at such a decision if they were the ones being exposed to this torture?
Deepa
Read the books of Philip Agee, a CIA officer for 12 years, the whistleblower of CIA criminal activities: "Inside the Company: CIA Diary" published in 1975; and "On the Run" published in 1987.
- Abu Ghraib: Salon obtained a DVD containing the material, which includes a CID (the US Army's Criminal Investigation Command) investigation report written on June 6, 2004 by Special Agent James E. Seigmund. The report includes the following summary of the material:
"A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."
According to the CID investigation report, all the photographs and videos were taken between October 18, 2003 and December 30, 2003. Some of the CID documents refer to CIA personnel as interrogators of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
The torture programs implemented by the CIA and the US Military Intelligence in Iraq and elsewhere are the decades-long programs developed by these two agencies. McCoy says that the Abu Ghraib photos of prisoners in hooding, stress positions, extreme intimidation with ferocious dogs and sexual humiliation reveal the psychological and physical torture that the CIA has been employing for years. Realizing that the psychological torture produces better results than the physical torture, the CIA in 1950s and 1960s was involved in a program called Mkultra. As a result, "From 1950 to 1962, the CIA became involved in torture through a massive mind-control effort, with psychological warfare and secret research into human consciousness that reached a cost of a billion dollars annually—a veritable Manhattan Project of the mind." The PSYWAR methods developed in Mkultra have been “refined” as described in the CIA’s torture manual KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation and the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual – 1983 (HRE) . The methods described in these two documents include: forced drugging, hooding, sexual humiliation, extended sensory deprivation, prolonged interrogation, environmental and dietary manipulation, beatings, stress positions and other methods of “self-inflicted pain.”
What has been revealed about the torture regime of CIA is not an aberration. It only points to the history of CIA torture activities approved by the successive US governments. Unless these crooks are brought to justice, many innocent people will continue to suffer, be humiliated and die in the hands of these CIA bastards.
Thank you for your very fine post Deepa. One additional thought is that if there are people, U.S. Citizens, who will torture others, they will also torture us. Once torture is enabled it's practitioners will apply it to anyone they are told to torture including U.S. Citizens. Fascists will simply demonize any group they choose and once demonized as less human, can be tortured. The only question for Americans is will they stop it before it is applied to them!
This CIA is the same piece of shit organization that lied the US into the Iraq war-a war that later turned out to be a "war of choice." WMD's my ass! Iraq never attacked the US-that was made-up hogwash.
The CIA actually tailored the intelligence until it said exactly what the Bush White House wanted it to say. They are actual traitors. How many have died in the Iraq war? Gallons of blood and piles of bodies later-and all because those worthless bastards played with intelligence to please the president-the-then-current resident of the White House.
These piece of shit betrayed their country for a president. I wouldn't cut any of em' any slack. The entire hornet's nest ought to be cleaned out.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt
Wow! Just take a look at that picture of general Hayden! It immediately made me think of one of the diabolical Nazi henchmen! Would you want this guy questioning your daughter? A picture tells a thousand words!
Sioux
RISING DAWN: I felt that same way, added to how POET characterized the photo.
Not only would I not want Hayden talking to my daughters, but I wouldn't want this man training any of my children on his brand of our Constitution. Obama has laid out the landscape and left it to all Americans to decide if they really want him to forget about the economy, which by the way, is doing fine. Few, outside the blogosphere, are screaming for an end to the conflicts, at least until the economy begins to roar. What's a Pres to think? If you want a job, as opposed to justice, shut up; if you want justice, and no future, step up.
thong-girl
By putting out into the public domain the CIA Torture Memos, the Obama administration has done more than remove the legal obligation to put alleged in front of the barbaric practices paid with US taxpayers $: it has rightfully tainted all of those publicly connected with them. Foremost is the writer, Federal Judge Jay S. Bybee. If not for the revelation of his authorship of these monstrous justifications for depravity, Bybee would be just another relatively anonymous Bush error jurist one step away from the US Supreme Court, bidding his time for another GOP White House to come to power and the chance to join up with Scalia, Thomas, & Co. Now, Bybee will be have to worry about the possibility of being impeached by the Senate, followed by disbarment.
Hayden would look perfect in an Nazi SS uniform. The guy looks like he just stepped out of the Third Reich!
You're only as sick as your secrets.
You are only as sick as the secrets you allow to be revealed. It's very likely you are MUCH sicker! Reveal the secrets of 9/11. Then, we'll start to see some REAL truth.
President Obama went against the will of four ex-CIA chiefs, all the Republicans in Congress and conservative Democrats in revealing the torture memos. That took a hell of a lot of courage.
He needs our support on this.
Ezeflyer, the evidence suggests otherwise. Obama understood that the ACLU action would lead to their release anyway. Obama wants people to believe that he is on their side, but reality suggests otherwise. Obama is a conventional economic Elitist wannabee and his actions support that. The Government and the Fed have given banks twelve trillion ( and counting) dollars thus far in the form of grants, loans, and guarantees. Obama has given the elites about one hundred times more than he has to the middle class and poor. B.F. Skinner taught us that we can continue a desired outcome by just reinforcing the right behavior one out of four times. Obama, in about one out of four issues, throws just enough crumbs to the American People to continue receiving their support. I for one, choose not to salivate over his crumbs.
Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good?
Obama deserves credit for overruling the corrupt misfeasors formerly and presently serving in the CIA and other military and state security services.
But Obama did so only because the ACLU forced the issue after winning a lawsuit, and after months of temporizing and foot-dragging.
AND while Obama revealed the embarrassing memos with one hand, with the other he slipped "Get Out of Jail Free" cards to the perpetrators of these heinous crimes against humanity. Naturally, this was advertised as a "win-win" outcome.
It doesn't add up to a Profile in Courage for Obama. Obama has an even greater interest than the criminal subordinates he's protecting in making all of this Go Away with the least "drag" on his Rockefeller Republican agenda.
The top item on said agenda being "Re-election to second term", BTW.
· Yr Obd't Servant
You know, I don't understand how the ACLU can force anything with a lawsuit against a President who claims national security. Ultimately, it seems to me that only Congress can force a President's hand. So I have to think that Obama's decision to release must have some intentionality behind it, beyond "had no choice."
My guess is that it is his compromise with his conscience. He knows that he controls a violent empire, and that in reality he is controlled by the empire more than the other way around... but he has a soul and he wants to remind people that this stuff is wrong.
Maybe he has a vague la de da idea about building outside the empire/beltway support... he won't get it from Congress or the MI Complex.
Maybe it's what he has to do to sleep at night - he can say "I couldn't prosecute these people, but at least I can clear my conscience to some small degree."
Maybe.
I would think that when an ordinary person (like Obama) ascends quickly to the center of a power in a dirty vicious empire and finds what a little house of horrors he has inheritted, his mind (like yours or mine) must boggle. And yet there he is, unable to escape the fact that he must run this rickety imperial domination machine with all its tools of violence.
A cruel frat boy like Bush was perfectly suited - I sense in my bones that Obama is not a cruel man, and yet he is being co-opted by the cruel empire that he now heads.
In the end it will own him and destroy him... unless he is a truly great man, and those are very rare indeed.
Obama has a hell of a job ahead of him. One wonders why he even sought to do it.
You make some very important and thoughtful points, here.
Co-optation is one word for what might be going on with him. We easily imagine the pressures (and threats to his life?) that Obama now has to deal with.
We can only do what we know is right- move ahead with our usual progressive agenda- affordable housing, health care, food for the hungry, and an end to the wars.
Fund human needs, not the military!
Little has changed.
Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet and John Deutch are also the four that most loudly "informed" us of Iraqi WMD's, and that winning the hearts and mind's of the Iraqis would be a slam-dunk.
The only thing coming out of their mouths is Bush semen.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins - Native American proverb.
"Ex-CIA chief, General Michael Hayden: Torture kept Americans safe"
"The facts of the case are that the use of these techniques against these terrorists made us safer, it really did," Hayden said, according to AFP.
After these minor players had told all they knew:
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002, says a CIA IG report.
With all due respect to General Mayhem of the Pentagram, this was not keeping anyone 'safe' but rather HUMAN SACRIFICES to the sadistic gods of the ChristoRepublicans. In future please sacrifice the firstborn children of the Pentagram and conservative Christians.
"the memos' release might expose CIA officers to lawsuits on allegations of torture and abuse"
Actually, it was their engaging in torture and abuse that exposes them to allegations of torture and abuse.
"I was only following orders" didn;t work for the Nazis, and shouldn't work for the CIA.
Actually, it has even less legal cover, and the Nazis would have been killed if they refused orders, the CIA would have only lost their jobs...they shopuld be ashame3d of themsaelves, and should be charged..they KNEW what they were doing was illegal
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Kudos for the running Keats quotes.
"It says the interrogations later extracted details of a plot called the "second wave", using East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner in Los Angeles. Plots that were disrupted, the memos say, include the alleged effort by Jose Padilla to detonate a "dirty bomb", spreading radioactive materials by means of explosives."
funny how we have never seen ANY proof of either of these alledged plots. Apperantly Leiman Brothers had all the yellowcake, and went on to destroy the US economy
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Ja, Gestapo chiefs agree.
Hayden was an active-duty military officer during much of his tenure at the CIA, so he is subject to the UCMJ; if the JAG Corps does its job it will investigate and try him for war crimes.
Of course the CIA leaders are against publishing the actions of the CIA. Would Don Corleone approve publication of the deeds of the Mafia?
That picture is galling. Somebody needs to slap that smirk off his face.
Why is a man in a civilian office still playing soldier?
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Dr. Strange-Hayden and his facial and verbal tics, yes, what a great walk-on character he would have been for the Marx Brothers classic, A Night in Casablanca. Few people seem to recall that this evil cross between Elmer Fudd and brainiac PUBLICLY ADMITTED that he decided all by his wittle self to implement massive warrantless surveillance immediately after 9/11--long before any White House legal memos were cooked up to pretend to justify it. Some wonder if he activated the new system before even telling Team Bush about it--merely operating off the vibe (stench) emanating from Cheney's inner nat/sec sanctum. Since this creature of the military industrial complex is a citizen above reproach in our brave new regime, and thus will never be investigated and was, in fact, transferred by Team Bush to the CIA to cross-pollinate their culture with his new and lasting NSA uber alles mindset, we will no doubt see him soon disappear off the media's radar into luxurious private retirement with his tax-payer pension and only referred to obliquely now and then as a hero or some such Orwellian inversion.
The fact that terrorist numbers and attacks soared 6-fold globally after the U.S. invasion of Iraq under Hayden's watch has never been mentioned or discussed in any Amurkan "news" round-table of which I am aware. Neither has the fact that both wars, in whose furtherance he was providing all that "hot" intell, are ongoing failed wars that have produced failed States that will ultimately cost us $Trillions of dollars. His interviews with Charlie Rose were a bizarre one man kabuki--Rose was so intimidated by the man with his facial and psychotic verbal tics. Dig up the video to see for yourselves: Hayden verbally confirms his own lies after every sentence--out loud. He is the closest thing to a giant elderly Gila Monster in a Pentagon monkey suit I've ever seen.
The fact that our ruling elite can no longer recognize such a gross combination of anti-Constitutional paranoia, Orwellian authoritarianism and incompetence all rolled up into one super-freak, but instead promote and protect this specimen, tells you a lot about why the U.S. corporatist Pimpire is suffocating in its own toxins.
Like my German grandfather always said: "It's not torture or murder if they are subhumans."
Besides, if too many of America's Brutal Empire secrets came out, it would be harder to recruit teenagers into the Military.
A thought in support of the CIA grunts who did the extreme interrogations on the hi-value terrorists in the Red Cross Report. They finally rebelled against any further extreme interrogations for fear of potential prosecutions. That's when all those hi value terrorists were shipped to Guantanamo from the secret CIA prisons overseas. Too many people are still concentrating on the men who were given the treatment listed in the torture memos and Red Cross report.There were doctors and other medical personnel assigned to make certain they were not killed. We should be concentrating on the hundreds, if not thousands,of men who were tortured and survived using the really nasty stuff that was authorized by the policy that allowed torture up to the potential for organ failure or death.Over 100 men died as a result of those techniques. That policy was stopped two weeks before Gonzales was approved as the Attorney General. Most of these people are scared shitless that all that really nasty stuff will come out and then there will be such an outcry that they can't escape prosecution.
"A thought in support of the CIA grunts who did the extreme interrogations on the hi-value terrorists in the Red Cross Report. They finally rebelled against any further extreme interrogations for fear of potential prosecutions."
"Most of these people are scared shitless that all that really nasty stuff will come out and then there will be such an outcry that they can't escape prosecution."
So you think they only stopped to avoid 'potential prosecutions', not because it was illegal, immoral, and uh...fucking torture and murder? If they were only worried about the consequences of their actions, and not the actions themselves, to hell with them.