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Obama Adviser Aligns with White House in Criticism of Rocket Attacks on Israel
Speaking on CBS's Face the Nation, his chief adviser, David Axelrod, initially repeated the Obama team's formula that there could only be one president at a time and that president was George Bush.
But he went on to recall comments that Obama made in July at Sderot, the Israeli town that is the target of rocket attacks from Palestinian militants in Gaza.
At the time, Obama said : "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."
A similar sentiment was expressed by Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, on Saturday. She said: "The United States strongly condemns the repeated rocket and mortar attacks against Israel and holds Hamas responsible for breaking the ceasefire and for the renewal of violence in Gaza." She added: "The ceasefire should be restored immediately. The United States calls on all concerned to address the urgent humanitarian needs of the innocent people of Gaza."
Gordon Johndroe, the White House security spokesman, also blamed Hamas, whom he referred to as terrorists and thugs. Rice briefed Obama by phone for about eight minutes on Saturday and further calls are planned to ensure he is up to speed on the issue by the time he takes office.
Although Obama has repeatedly said he would not comment on policy matters until he becomes president on 20 January, he has largely abandoned this in relation to the economic crisis, on which he has spoken regularly over the last few weeks, often at odds with Bush. So far, Obama has given no hint on his policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, though he has said finding a peace plan would be an early priority of his administration.
Before running for president, he provoked suspicion among Israelis and some US Jewish groups when he expressed sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. But after winning the Democratic nomination earlier this year he veered in the other direction, voicing strong support for Israel in a speech in Washington to the Israeli lobby group Aipac.
Yesterday , the Washington Post quoted an unnamed senior Bush administration official saying he thought the Israelis launched the attack because of uncertainty over Obama's policy. The official said the Israelis acted "because they want it to be over before the next administration comes in". He added: "They can't predict how the next administration will handle it. And this is not the way they want to start with the new administration."
Israeli officials denied this, saying the Israeli election in February was more a factor than Obama's take-over.
Bush started his presidency determined not to expend much effort on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, after watching his predecessor, Bill Clinton, devote his last months in office in a futile attempt to bring peace.
Over the last year, Bush has made half-hearted attempts at reheating peace plans.
Obama's proposed secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and various other foreign policy advisers would like to mount another attempt at resolving the conflict. But Obama has other foreign policy issues competing for his attention such as the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and the escalating conflict in Afghanistan.
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Show AllI quote one line of what Ali Abunimah said this morning on DemocracyNow: "If we want change, we have to make change.". www.democracynow.org for transcript,free, and soon the show will be online, free to view, and/or read.
What good is demanding that Hamas and Israel return to a ceasfire truce? During the last "truce," Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza and pressured all countries to not send food and medicine into Gaza. This included cancer medicine! What kind of inhumane brutes deny cancer victims the medicine they need to stay alive? How does murdering cancer patients further Israel's "defense"? There needs to be an organized boycott of all Israeli goods to counter the seige and genocide in Gaza.
donna
Gaza=Warsaw Ghetto
Silence is Consent.
There should be an international boycott of Israel - economic and diplomatic. there should also be a reckoning in the US political power equation. Those who unconditionally support Israel's inhumane and illegal acts should not be returned to office. It is way past time that we all took a stand on this. And by the way - the US mainstream media's portrayal of this is not only obscene, but full of lies and omissions. Seen any documentaries lately on Israeli settlers using 'manifest destiny' to secure new land from old enemies? How about the Gaza blockade? Anything on regular network news? How about an accurate reckoning of the number of Israelis killed during the last 5 years compared to that of the Palestinians? Civilians versus military personnel? And let's not forget the cluster bombs over Lebanon in 2006 - where was the outrage except on websites like this and others? No doubt that atrocities take place on both sides - but the enormity of the imbalance here is staggering. Our government is assisting in a genocide and we should all be shamed.
It's even worse than you think -- according to CNN, there is no such place as the Occupied Territories. They consistently put the word "occupation" in shock quotes, apparently to suggest that it's absurd even to suggest such a thing.
Here is an example from this morning's lead article on the subject from CNN's website:
"Mustafa Barghouti, a Palestinian parliament member, flatly blamed the violence on the Israeli "occupation" of the Palestinian territories and dismissed Israeli claims that it is targeting only Hamas."
Putting words in quotes like this is a particularly cowardly trick of the corporate media. Notice that they do not actually say "There is no occupation," because that would be a blatantly false statement. Using shock quotes implies that a statement is false but still allows CNN plausible deniability (they can claim that they were merely using the quotation marks in their purely grammatical context, to show that someone else was speaking). The editors of CNN know very well that Israel is occupying Palestine, but choose to distort this fact for whatever indefensible reason.
Goebbels would be proud.
The Israeli/zionist propaganda is well organized and well funded. (In fact, I've just been banned from Alternet, apparantly for too effectively countering zionist propaganda, which I assume unleashed a number of complaints).
This very much a war of information and propaganda, and that has always been a major tool of imperialists -- and even more so in the last few decades. Orwell understood this, but his books have been seemingly been used as an operational manual by the right.
I was banned from digg.com after 2 years, 2,000 posts and 500 friends, after doing the same. :(
I was also banned from Huffington Post after posting a link to a story about Iraq at Uruknet.
I respect "President-Elect" Obama's view of standing behind the "CURRENT" president until he becomes president (oh, and I can't wait!) but I hope when Obama IS president that he has a bit of a different view on the stranglehold the Israelis have on the US. I mean, we were discussing it this morning;
WHO ELSE in all the planet should KNOW BETTER than to SLAUGHTER PEOPLE than the JEWS!!!
You'd think they'd have learned SOME compassion from having so many of their people annihilated!
No one here should be commenting on the situation -- no one here is president...
Somebody somewhere likes war...military confrontation...
most people like peace and working together to resolve major issues.
Who gains from war? They are the ones we need to convince that peace is the only solution.
They are us! We are them!
So, let's take a good look at ourselves...
There is lots of work to do.
Who gains from war? The wealthy and politically, powerful elite that have a vested interest in industrial selfishness, avarice,greed,ect. There are many Bush's, Cheney's, Blackwater's and Madoffs to name a few. War is a racket and they are the cons and criminals that love the racket of war. Unfortunately, the war mongers are insane and peace is not on their agenda.
When it comes to Israel, Obama doesn't dare step out of line. The present government of Israel is psychopathic, and proven that they will eliminate all and any opposition to their 'right to exist [as they presently are].'
Ursa
All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing
Isnt it Ironic
In 1942, Hitler decided to liquidate the ghettos and, within 18 months, had the more than two million Jews who’d survived the ghettos deported to death camps.
Very gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
Dwight Eisenhower 1953 speech
Shame and the blood of Innocents is what Israel is shrouded in
ursa:you quoted "men who do nothing"and I add, women who do nothing when they face injustice being committed. Arundhati Roy pointed out that there are Americans making the weapons that are being used in Iraq, but it also applies to Israeli weapons,since the US money to Israel requires they buy American weapons. Arundhati Roy said that Americans could stop the whole war machine where folks live,work. Can disrupt.
The Germans claimed they knew nothing. Hitler didn't act in a vacuum.
The US government does not block the UN by itself. A few other countries "go along".
One small story: when I was in Denver in the late 1960s, I couldn't get a job, even as volunteer with the public defender's office because I had volunteered for a civil rights law firm in the South, "too controversial for Denver", I was told. So I got a job with a temp agency and was sent to a blueprint/drafting shop. I had to proofread them. I knew nothing. I asked the boss what the blueprint was of and was told it was missles guidance. I said that I didn't work on weapons for war. (It was during the Vietnam War.) The boss said, "It's not weapons. It's not the missle, it's the guiding mechanism." His was a good example of fooling onesself (or someone else). I said it was still war weapons and quit. I couldn't get another temp job. Luckily, spouse had a job and we left within the year for NYC, home.
"I said it was still war weapons and quit."
Your steadfastness to your beliefs honors you.
Good for you. I too have had career setbacks related to ethics. The problem is that most people remain behind and continue to file into their slots daily because they need the paycheck and benefits. Sometimes they have an obsessive need for more and bigger porqeria as well. One or two people here or there do not make a dent when so much of the economy is based on munitions R & D and production.
How could we turn this around? How could we have a massive refusal to work for war? This is a serious question.
Joe
I'm hoping (maybe beyond hope) that Obama will get on the right side of history. If he intends to turn around the world's perception of the U.S.A., he'll need to stop having the U.S.A. act like a rogue nation. He will have to stop supporting the neocons and warmongers in Israel and start supporting what the nations of the world support - Justice for Palestinians.
Obama will get the same boot that Bush got when he visited Iraq.
Obama's Chief of Staff is the son of an Israeli terrorist. Rahm Israel Emmanuel father is/was a member of the Stern Gang.
Line up behind AIPAC for nuclear Armageddon or be terminated now.
Obama is far too much of a coward to ever stand up to AIPAC or the other enablers of the Israeli far right. Edwards had said during the campaign that Obama was too soft to win. Edwards was apparently wrong about that, but he had the right idea that Obama is too soft and cowardly to ever stand up to real power.
No doubt Obama is a continuing disappointment.
Tragedy is he proves himself to be, like Rice and Powell before him, little more than boy to the mastah.
Indeed I was fooled into voting for him despite voting for Nader or Leonard Peltier since the 1992 disappointment with Clinton. I wish I could apologize to Cynthia McKinney now for not voting for her.
ANY Green 2012!
At the risk of being stoned to death, wouldn't it be a good idea if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel?
But it is impossible for Israel to just bomb and kill Hamas, so their bombs inevitably kill Palestinian civilians. And as they do so, the Palestinian support for Hamas increases and even more of them hate and want to attack Israel. The people controlling Israel are smart and they know this is the inevitable result. That leads to the conclusion by many well-informed people around the world that the Israeli aggression is not aimed at solving the disputes but instead simply serves the purposes of Israeli political leaders, the Israeli right (who want even more territory), and the Israeli arms dealers (who according to Naomi Klein in "The Shock Doctrine" have amassed quite a bit of power and political influence). The leaders of Hamas know all this and probably hope for the excessive Israeli retaliation, as it suits their purposes as well.
But what about the non-violent Palestinians and the non-violent Israelis? Shouldn't the US and other nations do what they can to protect the interests of the innocents by stopping the cycle of violence?
Smart post, and IMO accurate. Remember boys and girls Israel funded Hamas to combat Fatah.
kivals
Could very well be. I hope not. Good comment.
"The leaders of Hamas know all this and probably hope for the excessive Israeli retaliation, as it suits their purposes as well."
Thats the only real purpose for the rocket attacks I see actually.
"But what about the non-violent Palestinians and the non-violent Israelis? Shouldn't the US and other nations do what they can to protect the interests of the innocents by stopping the cycle of violence?"
They should.
Also, the corrupt Israeli leaders who need something to validate their remaining in power. War is often used as a diversion for robbery.
Joe
"War is often used as a diversion for robbery."
Thats a truism.
Currently, the rockets are their only means (pitiful as they are compared to Israel's US-supplied war machine) to fight back against the occupier's agression.
When they weren't firing rockets before, Israel responded by imposing a blockade to starve and kill the civilian population.
Do you really think that if the Gazans meekly submitted to the Israelis, that Israel would end the occupation?
It could be reasonably argued that not fighting back is what allowed Israel to conquer them in the first place.
Israel's past behavior does not include responding fairly to peaceful overtures from the Palestinians. Israel takes, and takes, and takes until something stops it, at which point it plays the "victim" card.
To turn your question around, Wouldn't it be a good idea if Israel stopped building illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian land?
Goosnargh
"To turn your question around, Wouldn't it be a good idea if Israel stopped building illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian land?"
Yes.
"When they weren't firing rockets before, Israel responded by imposing a blockade to starve and kill the civilian population."
Why is Egypt blockading them?
"Do you really think that if the Gazans meekly submitted to the Israelis, that Israel would end the occupation?"
I was unawaere that Israel was occupying Gaza. I understood that they have no troops there. This is confusing.
"It could be reasonably argued that not fighting back is what allowed Israel to conquer them in the first place."
I could reasonably argue that if the Arab nations had not attacked Israel in the first place, none of this would have happened.
Lets be clear here, I'm not defending Israel other than there are more sides to this question than one.
Regarding your unawareness that Israel is still occupying Gaza, I turn to Mustafa Barghouthi (copied from his interview with Steve Clemons, posted today on the Huffington Post):
Israelis have claimed to have ended the occupation of the Gaza Strip in 2005.
While Israel has indeed removed the settlements from the tiny coastal Strip, they have in no way ended the occupation. They remained in control of the borders, the airspace and the waterways of Gaza, and have carried out frequent raids and targeted assassinations since the disengagement.
Furthermore, since 2006 Israel has imposed a comprehensive siege on the Strip. For over two years, Gazans have lived on the edge of starvation and without the most basic necessities of human life, such as cooking or heating oil and basic medications. This siege has already caused a humanitarian catastrophe which has only been exacerbated by the dramatic increase in Israeli military aggression.
(end quote)
You say, "I could reasonably argue that if the Arab nations had not attacked Israel in the first place, none of this would have happened."
Israel actually attacked first in its war against its Arab neighbors, in an act of what they call "pre-emptive self-defense." Technicalities aside, the reason for these hostilities was because of Israel's violent expulsion of the Palestinians in the first place.
Your "I'm only saying there's more than one side to this question" claim is wearing a little thin. It's your own job to educate yourself as to these matters, not ours.
"Israel actually attacked first in its war against its Arab neighbors, in an act of what they call "pre-emptive self-defense." Technicalities aside, the reason for these hostilities was because of Israel's violent expulsion of the Palestinians in the first place."
I was referring to May 15, 1948. Less than 24 hours after the State of Israel was proclaimed, the regular armies of Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, with financial and military help of the Soviet Union and Sudan invaded Israel.
An occupation to me consists of occupying soldiers. A blockade is not an occupation.
"Your "I'm only saying there's more than one side to this question" claim is wearing a little thin. It's your own job to educate yourself as to these matters, not ours."
You are saying there is only one side, which I don't believe for a moment.
Its very difficult to get the truth in this. At least I find its hard. You are correct, its not your job to educate me, nor anyone elses here, so just ignore my comments or posts. Sorry they disturb you.
I think that would send the wrong signal, Thomas, that Hamas is no longer at war with Israel when in fact that is not the case. I agree, though, that they need better weapons.
Well, I wish they'd all stop this nonsense, including us.
I don't think that you would be asking such a question if Texas were occupied by a foreign force. In fact, YOU most likely would advocate using the "NUKES", that "God" gave you.
But shit, wait a minute, Texas IS being occupied by a "foreign force"---and Texans like to say "We stole that state fair and square" (I have one of your postings where you wrote that very same thing)----and the original occupants, fifteen tribes to be exact, have either died off, or were killed off, or pushed off, and now Texas is in the hands of people who laugh at the Palestinians or condemn them for fighting for their own country that was taken over illegally, and given to a fanatical group of religious fools who use God as an excuse to kill and steal. The Israelis have a very large very wealthy Allie, on the other side of the planet, that stole it's lands, killed off its former inhabitants, stole trillions of dollars worth of natural resources, and then produce people who forget the truth about all of it; and say really really stupid things about it.
Speaking as one Native American to the Palestinian People---do not give up; if you do you will become extinct. My people did and they are on their way to becoming extinct even now. Or at best, they are a wonderful source of entertainment for the Americans.
So to answer your question TMoore ( and you know damn well you would not be stoned, unless you "roll one up")
Ha mas should stop firing rockets into Israel----only if they want to become extinct; or at best, an entertainment source for the future Israelis----like the Native Americans are for the Americans.
Then again this is so typical of the Americans. They want to promote Democracy in "other lands", and when Ha mas is "elected in open Democratic elections"; they refuse to support them; and use typically hypocritical statements like yours.
Good luck America you really need it.
Good post, very sobering.
First...if Texas were being occupied by anyone including the Israeli, you are right, I'd be out there doing anything I could to get at them. No nukes however...I don't favor them.
"people who laugh at the Palestinians or condemn them for fighting for their own country that was taken over illegally"
Thats not what I said at all. "wouldn't it be a good idea if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel?" People are dying, thats no laughing matter.
I think it would be an excellent idea myself. It just plays into their hands if you ask me.
"We stole that state fair and square"
Thats the way I see it. It belonged to Spain, then to the Mexicans, then to the Texans which included Mexicans. We got it by fighting with the Mexicans and winning. It certainly never belonged to the Commanche or other tribes that were here. Surely there were some Tribes that were in Texas before the Spanish. but I don't know which.
Most of the Southwest was obtained in the treaty of "something Hidalgo" that ended the Mexican-American war. Signed at the point of a gun in effect. So I'd say the same thing about it. But where did the Mexicans get it? Were you under the impression that Mexico was going to hand anything back?
Hamas is a terroist organization and you can bet your bippy I have no use for tghem. But they are the government of Gaza, Democratically elected, I have no problem with that.
I'd be happy to discuss the cruelty, the torture, the war mongers, the slavers among the tribes. Your picture of how it was doesn't quite live up to the historical records, but thats for another time.
One suggestion hurt, I've never been hypocritical, I've never lied that I know of. I post my opinion. If you don't agree with me fine, but I really don't care for name calling.
yohocoma
"I wonder if the extramural conflicts between native American peoples involved such lopsided imbalances of power."
Yes it did. Read up on the Commanche march into Texas. That was a thrill a minute for some tribes they met alon the way. Many others the same. I believe you are right that they were "chiefly conflicts between neighbors fighting over adjacent, prized resources." But many of these were far from balanced fights.
"So, in your eyes, history is a never-ending succession of violent takeovers of land and property, and therefore continuing that pattern is just embracing the way of the world?"
In those days, absolutely, its a fact of history. When the Native Americans got here (they are not native to America) there was no one else.
"I wonder if a commonality of these is that they were long-distance empire-building expressions of self-entitlement and lust for power, intruding into areas of the world they had no business being in."
You could look at it like that or you could argue that the people that were there had no right to be there. Frankly its just the way it was to me. Its history. Look at the discussion here. If you look at it from your argument " intruding into areas of the world they had no business being in." this argument is over because the Jews occupied this land before that Palestinians got there. Of course that's not going to happen because you cannot rewrite history.
"I wonder if Zionists setting up shop on ancient, largely abandoned religious stomping grounds, in the middle of a much larger number of much more recent, culturally antagonistic inhabitants"
I don't believe they are all Zionists or even a large portion of the Israeli are. They were awarded thier own homeland by a vote of the International community, the UN. I see all these cries to adhere to International law, to obey the UN charter, etc and I find it missing from this argument.
For me, in the end, I simply don't know whats right. Hamas is vowed to destroy Israel, has fired over 6000 rockets into Israel since 2005 but Israel refises to let needed supplies into Gaza, blockades her air space and seashore without being at war. She has made other incursions. Is it reprisal or assault?
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
"They were awarded thier own homeland by a vote of the International community, the UN."
Wow talk about airbrushing history. In the 40s the Jewish people who chose to be Zionists took over Israel by the use of car bombs, bank robberies, and attempting to quite literally collaborate with the Nazis to drive out the British. Google "Stern Gang," Irgun, and Lehi, and get back to me Thomas Moore.
I forgot to say how pleased I am that you didn't leave. I don't agree with many of your perspectives, but they always get me thinking.
Estimates are that 8 to 14 Israelis have been killed by the home-made rocket bombs during a two-year period.
In most every instance, all was quiet and then suddenly there was an assault by Israeli military or sudden strikes by Israeli planes [remember the Palestinian children on a picnic] and Palestinians were killed, the numbers far exceeding that 8 to 14 in many instances.
It has crossed my mind that Israeli moles sometimes set off rockets when things have been quiet too long. Any excuse will do to get rid of more Palestinians. During the genocidal starvation period of the last months, I've wondered when a few rockets have been fired, which strike nothing, whether it's a way of desperate people to say, "World, we're still here; help."
I have nothing but total contempt now for those who run Israel and for my own government of the United States, and it appears that the incoming President-elect is turning out to be another mealy-mouthed tool of Israel.
We are again witnessing GENOCIDE, and as usual, nothing is being done ... or definitely said. Money, votes, control of oil, water, territory, whatever ... The secular Zionest government of Israel and the U.S.and International Capitalist money boys and their elected minions are all joined at the hip.
I do believe that many glad-handing leaders of this world are quite stupid, intellectually and emotionally, and are very limited in life-affirming creativity to make a better world and simply to care about people. Life-affirming creativity is really not within their frame of reference. They really do not serve the people; they serve themselves. Perhaps it feels to them that life goes on forever and maybe YOU CAN take it with you.
James Bondian villains and lots of intrigue going on all the time and the excitement of war and conquering, and buying and selling and exploiting as if that would make their peanut-size cohones gain a little heft.
What is being done to the Palestinians in Gaza is vile and sheer EVIL, and my government tacitly supports it.
Home-made rocket bombs? Mere muskets compared to jet planes and missiles, and the huge tanks are just about to start rolling in to crush whatever is in their path. Nothing new.
No respect left. Absolutely None.
/cm
Ding, dind, ding good post. Not sure about the conspiracy angle but I do wonder if Israel welcomes the attacks even if they are doing by disguntled Hamas and other radical factions in Gazaa as it allows Israel to play the "victim" and continue to crush the Palestinians while crying crocodile tears of victimhood for itself. Israel's ACT is wearing mighty thin for me and I suspect many people around the world.
Israel (the zionists) wants the land. It's doubtful they can get it through politics, dimplomacy or law since what they want is illegal and immoral. Hence they want war, because their strength is in it's military. If there were peace their objective would fail.
Compare with the US government: would there have been be any chance of controlling Iraq and its oil through peaceful and lawful means?
Not sure about the conspiracy angle? You agree that Israel continues to crush the Palestinians yet you actually think black-ops to keep the fighting going is somehow underneath those monsters?
Not black ops -- although that's possible, I guess -- but policy. Look at the history: everytime there has been a cease fire or toher chance for peace Israel has done something to fire things up again. This last ceasefire might have led somewhere but the siege warfare and some attacks by Israeli forces made the situation impossible for the Palestinians. And, of course, there is no shortage of Palestinian extremists to take the bait.
That's what I'm talking about.
I don't think it has to be so secret they just beat on the Palestinians until they retaliate with whatever they've got which happen to be crude rockets and then cry waaaaaaaah I'm a victim:
Now with Victim Vision:
http://www.truveo.com/Wonder-Showzen-Season-2-Body/id/3598148358
CM - like you, I would not be especially surprised if Israeli moles set off the rockets. The Israeli leadership needs to keep war going in order to justify themselves and the land grabs. There are often incidents of suspicious origin when there is a lull or any progress toward peace or loss of appetite for war in Israel. I would also not be terribly suprised if it were 16 year old boys who have lost confidence in the Palestinian leadership and are desperate to do something.
In any case, the crude rockets are very weak replies to months and months of engineered deprivation, death and humiliation. They pale in comparison with the scale of daily, slow, deliberate suffering caused by the siege. The casualties caused by the rocket attacks are very small compared with the casualties caused by air attacks, armed vehicles and guns. How can one resist the David and Goliath reference?
It is not fair or realistic to condemn starving ghetto residents or victims of sieges if their behavior is not picture perfect Amish. (During the siege of Leningrad, normal people reportedly turned to cannibalism.)
Ending the siege is more the responsibility of those of us who are walking around freely, eating, drinking water, reading by electric light. We are in a position to do something. The siege has to end. Food and medicine have to get through immediately. Electricity and water must be restored. Reporters have to be let in. Do something.
It would be fair of Hamas to stop firing flying fizzbombs if the fucking zionists would just get the hell off Palestinian land and stop being a bunch of pricks.
At present the occupied Palestinians are duty bound to fight against their oppressors, to do anything less would be to lose a part of the humanity of all humans.
Oppression must be resisted, in the Warsaw Ghetto and in the Gaza Ghetto. Fuck all fascists and zionists.
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days