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TechnoratiObama Adviser Aligns with White House in Criticism of Rocket Attacks on Israel
Speaking on CBS's Face the Nation, his chief adviser, David Axelrod, initially repeated the Obama team's formula that there could only be one president at a time and that president was George Bush.
But he went on to recall comments that Obama made in July at Sderot, the Israeli town that is the target of rocket attacks from Palestinian militants in Gaza.
At the time, Obama said : "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."
A similar sentiment was expressed by Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, on Saturday. She said: "The United States strongly condemns the repeated rocket and mortar attacks against Israel and holds Hamas responsible for breaking the ceasefire and for the renewal of violence in Gaza." She added: "The ceasefire should be restored immediately. The United States calls on all concerned to address the urgent humanitarian needs of the innocent people of Gaza."
Gordon Johndroe, the White House security spokesman, also blamed Hamas, whom he referred to as terrorists and thugs. Rice briefed Obama by phone for about eight minutes on Saturday and further calls are planned to ensure he is up to speed on the issue by the time he takes office.
Although Obama has repeatedly said he would not comment on policy matters until he becomes president on 20 January, he has largely abandoned this in relation to the economic crisis, on which he has spoken regularly over the last few weeks, often at odds with Bush. So far, Obama has given no hint on his policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, though he has said finding a peace plan would be an early priority of his administration.
Before running for president, he provoked suspicion among Israelis and some US Jewish groups when he expressed sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. But after winning the Democratic nomination earlier this year he veered in the other direction, voicing strong support for Israel in a speech in Washington to the Israeli lobby group Aipac.
Yesterday , the Washington Post quoted an unnamed senior Bush administration official saying he thought the Israelis launched the attack because of uncertainty over Obama's policy. The official said the Israelis acted "because they want it to be over before the next administration comes in". He added: "They can't predict how the next administration will handle it. And this is not the way they want to start with the new administration."
Israeli officials denied this, saying the Israeli election in February was more a factor than Obama's take-over.
Bush started his presidency determined not to expend much effort on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, after watching his predecessor, Bill Clinton, devote his last months in office in a futile attempt to bring peace.
Over the last year, Bush has made half-hearted attempts at reheating peace plans.
Obama's proposed secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and various other foreign policy advisers would like to mount another attempt at resolving the conflict. But Obama has other foreign policy issues competing for his attention such as the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and the escalating conflict in Afghanistan.
164 Comments so far
Show AllHonestly now...did anyone expect anything else???
Curmudgeon99:
Kudos to you on re-focusing this topic back to where it should be, re; the Israeli agression against Palestinians in Gaza, and the ongoing theft of Palestinian land rather than the penchant by those two to try to mislead the readers with meaningless red herrings and fallacious argumentation!
Seditious:
Excellant description of the B&O man. From the beginning of his campaign, Senator B&O has never made any declarative statements and facts, just plenty of slogans...and yet the "Great Unwashed" public bought into the Obama Madness as if he were Moses come to lead "his" people out of the desert and into the Promised Land compleate with the proverbial milk and honey etc.
joehope and thomasmore - Israeli Zionist shills par excellence.
This is NOT about the Holocaust and your false claims of anti - semitism.
By any measure what Israel is doing is committing atrocities against a population that has refused to be starved into submission.
The issue is NOT religion!!! It is entirely about the Israeli theft of Palestinian lands and water. Just look at the ongoing Israeli support of illegal settlements in the West Bank and the refusal to recognize Palestinian rights in Gaza (such as right to freely elect Hamas as the guv). The Israeli right wing is p***ed they were made to leave the lucrative Jewish owned factories illegally placed there.
Israel's fear is that they will be made to give back their illegal, illgotten gains taken from the indigenous Palestinian population of all faiths. Apparently they feel that they can kill all who oppose their thefts of land and water.
They even tried to kill a US Congresswoman - McKinney, in preventing aid to Gaza.
No amount of B***S** from the Israeli shills should distract anybody's attention from the grim reality of US supported IDF continuing atrocities in Gaza.
This has been quite a string. I hope the same interest and concern will be shown for the problems on our Southern border where there are far, far more killings and decapitations each year now than the last eight in Gaza. Where just as many people are terrified. About the only difference is that they are not under a blockade.
Good thing we have a new administration
http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com
So this is what the milquetoast faux-progressives on CD voted for with their Lord & Savior, Mr. Obama®? I saw many here harping the virtues of BO for months before the election, and just like in 2004, they supposed anything was better than another Neo-Con admin, right?
Gullible idiots.
How many times does Lucy have to yank the football away before Charlie Brown finally refuses to play?
Obama, like Bush and the rest of the right-wingers, sides with Israel unconditionally. No matter what they do, he will support them. That is just wrong.
I hope Cynthia McKinney is safe.
How many of you people voted for Obama?
Because if you bothered to pay attention you would know that Obama has consistently backed Israel, even during their most recent war with Lebanon.
You guys are hysterical! I don't recall anyone objecting this much to Obama's stance on Lebanon prior to the election.
Why is everyone so surprised that Obama is siding with Israel?
You get who you vote for. Thank G*d.
"this is not the way they want to start with the new administration"
The Likud carefully calculates the timing and volume of blood it may extract from Palestine while preserving maximum crow-bar leverage, power and influence, over the public institutions of the United States of America, particularly the puppet strings from which the throne warmer in the oval orifice dangles. May the keepers of the legacy of the most fantastic deity of them all maintain the imperial support of the all-time superior atom smashers until INFINITY!
GUNZ 'n' GODZ 'r' US!!
GUNZ 'n' GODZ 'r' US!!
GUNZ 'n' GODZ 'r' US!!
What a civilization!
Meanwhile, the voters are busily working their way through those 10 million varieties of delicious pastries available. Conscious focus on what's important! Forget about your fellow man, please. Just give your Sunday tithings and you're good to go to the bakery!
Sadly enough, "empathy" seems to be an obsolete concept. Nobody takes the time to put themselves in another's place anymore.
Take a Palestinian youth. He has no hope, no expectations. There is no work, no education for him (or her), his home may have been bombed or bulldozed, his family killed or crippled. Food and water is scarce or non-existent. There is little or no medicine available. In short, he and his family has no future. What incentive is there not to strap on a gelignite vest and take a few of his tormentors with him?
There have been a few attempts to bring about education, for Jewish and Palestinian children to learn together and incidentally learn that neither has horns. When it starts to work, the funding is terminated.
A person with hope will live for that hope. A person with no hope has nothing to live for, so he might as well die for a cause.
A half starved kid throwing a rock at a passing tank may well get sprayed with a full clip or two from an M-16.
Israeli citizens that protest this sort of thing find themselves in jail or worse.
Well armed German soldiers got to go "Jew hunting" in the Warsaw ghetto. Great sport! Why do I see parallels here? And in Iraq with another occupier? Afghanistan anyone?
Occupiers always brand anyone fighting back as terrorists, insurgents, or any other pejorative they can dream up. They never speak of them as courageous and desperate patriots, fighting to rid themselves of their occupiers and the quislings put in place to rule them. If they were to do this, it would stimulate empathy. Perhaps the invaders would have to rethink what they were doing. That is why so much is spent on PsyWar, to make sure no one does put themselves in their victim's place.
Lack of empathy is at the heart of greed (see the greed item) which in turn is at the heart of the capitalist system of usury and exploitation that values "competition" above compassion, and cares not at all about destroying the environment or engaging in war if it helps the "bottom line."
Great post minitrue.
Thank you for your commentary...
I'm very saddened by the Obama response. Even though he has not yet been sworn-in, he could have expressed a more humanitarian view. In reading the history of the Palestinian people and the creation of the Jewish state in their ancient homeland - I can only liken their actions to those of the Irish people when the English "empire" tried to destroy their land and culture. I believe the United States is being cowardly and unjust when they fail to condemn the slaughter of the Palestinian people because they resent and refuse to be starved out, pushed out and once again shunted to another area of the Middle East. Where can they go???
D.Reilly: "Former Green Party Presidential candidate and Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney boards relief ship "Dignity" to try and run the Gaza blockade
Dignity Leaves for Gaza: Challenges World to "Stop this Madness!"
www.freegaza.org/index.php?module=latest_news&id=cb7d7e4821d2af8b
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Just looked up your reference. The ship carrying medical supplies from Cyprus is now being attacked with gunfire in the waters around the ship by the Israeli Navy in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. An Israeli naval ship has rammed the mercy ship.
Telephone numbers available on the site to call officials in Israel.
Will put this on the Obama/Biden change.gov site and CNN reporting board.
I sure do hope he doesn't turn out to be a coconut.
War crime trials for the Bush and his chief ghouls.
War crimes trials for the zionazi aggressors in Palestine.
Warsaw Ghetto = Gaza Ghetto
Fascist = zionist
Nuremberg = the Hague
Remember the best friend of a zionist is an anti-semite and I am no friend of the zionist.
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
I follow Your comments and agree to all of them. Yet You tend
to expose Yourself to some danger, very much the same way
I do in these tumultuous times. People that speak out the truth
are in danger. I wish the Scholl siblings would be with us now.
How many people know about the White Rose?
I saw the places where the German resistance fighters were
executed. Amongst them Sophie and Hans Scholl. Rosa
Luxemburg was another remarkable woman, murdered by
the Nazis.
Who will be our heroes? Even though it looks like that resistance
has been replaced by complacency and American Idol.
Like NativeSon states repeatedly
Good Luck America - You will need it more than anything else
May all Beings be blessed.
itsjustkarma:
Oh Americans and their knowledge of history..
Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht were killed before the Nazi party was even founded!!! Murdered by a right-wing grouping which possibly later marched with the Nazis, but "the Nazis" didn't even exist when they were killed! You are mixing up two different world wars. Luxemburg was killed at the end of the FIRST one, the Nazis started the SECOND.
Unless you write "people" and think "Americans": The "White Rose" is still well known, particularly in Germany, where schools are named after the siblings.
0bama is AIPAC baby.
I think Obama is starting off his foreign policy on the wrong track. He should be supporting initiatives for an immediate ceasefire of all hostilities. He would better serve us by being an agent of peace then placing blame that is counterproductive.
You are naive aren't you? Obombas cheif of staff is a former IDF soldier and ardent supporter of the U.S.'s invasion of Iraq Rahm Emmanuel, Sec of State Hilary Clinton said in front Israel's lobby group that she would "obliterate Iran" on behalf of Israel.
If it's any consolation I was had too, in "hoping" for even a little change, but once I saw his cabinet picks I knew the gig was up and progressives were had by just another supporter of the corporate funded New World Order of which Israel is actually just a little bully regional enforcer.
Back to voting for all Greens like I wisely did did 96 and 2004.
All the world's turmoil which keeps sprouting has made me an isolationist .
It appears the US has dirty hands and greedy mind , its shadow can be found behind almost all the conflicts . I am weary of it . Let us become self-sufficient and keep our nose out of other countries' business .
Good post I too would be interested in what left wing isolationism would look like. It seems like it would be a good fit with Green and bioregionalist thought that emphasizes small scale, off the grid, less consumerism, etc.
"Lucitanian December 29th, 2008 7:29 pm
You, obviously don't have a clue of history to properly compare this massacre of the civilian population of Gaza with say Guernica. This is much worse than the Nazis. ... This is worse than Hitler because they already have the US congress, senate and administration doing there work for them, totting for wars in the whole region. "
I MUCH agree with Lucitanian, but as for this case being worse "because they already have the US congress", I think the following article, and some comment posts on or for this piece, may provide some insight that indicates that this, today, is not very or particularly new with the U.S. Congress.
"Did Bush Sr. Kill Kennedy and Frame Nixon?",
By David Swanson, Dec. 26, 2008
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/38498
Thank you for that very interesting link. Whether the circumstantial nature of the events brings proof to the case or not also seems to be irrelevant in our times of crimes. The gate keepers of power have many leavers to pull but the one that works every time is the sheepishness of people to follow even the most ridiculous things they are told and their amazing ability to forget even the most painful lessons. They have been trained to loose there ability to think.
The subject of this book and article is the corruption that I mentioned in my comment above which is destroying America and through corporate globalization has extended far beyond as is posed by John Perkins in the Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. Having been brought up in South America and lived most of my professional life in Asia, I can assure you that what he writes about is clearly fact. The status quo is infinitely more powerful than their poorer cousins the mafia and not at all avers to using more drastic tactics if it is of benefit to the "system".
Thanks Mike for the link.
Another hint towards what's in the making for us.
May all Beings be blessed.
post your comments to the Obama transition team at the following address:
http://change.gov/ (main website)
http://change.gov/page/content/contact/ (page to provide comments)
He talks about change, lets hope for a change in this direction as well.
Regards,
It's quite clear that Obama is in oldspeak a "House N!gg&r" - He knows where his paycheck comes from as do all the other Democrats in Congress - F&ck them. Obama was even more fawning than Gorgeous George, The Moron when he was in Israel Tsk Tsking over the rusting home made rocket casings he was made to go and witness by his Israeli pupeteers. Oh you naughty man, talk to Iran you say eh? ..Well eat shit boy and tell us how much you love us in front of the TV , jump jump , clap your hands that's it...
This Gaza "all out war" (isn't war like doing a Tango? You actually need two to do it?) is all tough talk by the Israeli bullies currently in power these ones want to show they're just as "tough as the other bullies like the US nurtured Netenyahu areshole.
Jarhead/Wow you people are very, very intelligent trying to tell the only elected President since Clinton what to do and he has not become President yet. We are still on the un-elected presidents watch the Bush/Cheney gang. Certainly they give the approval for Isreal to do as they please, and will as long as money finds its way in a Texas bank. But wait until Obama is in office for about twenty years to try and get us back on the right road.
Obama is going to be in office for 20 years? We are in bigger trouble than I thought. :)
Paul Siemering
thanks for the united palestine appeal ling, pjd
A holocaust survivor named Dr. Schlomo Schmelzman wrote a letter to the Israeli press a long time ago, but his thoughts are timeless:
"In my childhood I have suffered fear, hunger and humiliation when I passed through the Warsaw Ghetto, through the labor camps, to Buchenwald. Today, as a citizen of Israel, I cannot accept the systematic destruction of cities, towns and refugee camps. I cannot accept the technocratic cruelty if the bombing...I hear familiar sounds today...I hear "dirty Arabs' and I remember 'dirty Jews'. I hear about 'closed areas' and I remember ghettos and camps. I hear 'two legged beasts' and I remember 'Untermenschen' ('subhumans')...Too many things in Israel remind me of too many things..."
( from John Pilger "Freedom Next Time")
you ever see one of those apocolyptic movies, and someone always tells the story of how some years ago it all started out small and containable then something went horribly wrong and all hell broke loose and the sun was blotted out of the sky and the machines came to life etc etc well this is sorta like that. somewhere around 2012 we'll look back at this as the incident that brought about the end. with headlines like "worst financial depression since hoover" and how china is now threatening Israel and how Bush vetoes yet another UN sanction against Israel, hmmm, how long before Iran and Russia jump in the mix? Is that WWIII I smell in the air.???
Yes, indeed, that is what you smell. What other way, after all, does Capitalism have to save its collapsing house of cards? Even G.W. Bush admitted that free market principles must be suspended, i.e., socialism to try and save capitalism, in these non-ordinary times. But these "non-ordinary" times ARE what IS ordinary for Capitalism in its boom and bust cycles. When saving Capitalism fails, rest assured that the wheels of production as owned by the capitalists will crank out that which it knows how to do best, that is, make war....and make it big time. The people will then be back at work making tools of destruction so that the cycle may start all over again. Humanity will cease to exist unless it gets beyond this self-defeating paradigm. Unfortunatley, Obama, is wedded to it.
WE keep hearing of the impending financial crisis, its impact being global. China owns the US 3 times over. That 5 billion for the war in Iraq had to come from somewhere. Israel just went completely insane. Or is this all scripted? China has come out against Israel and has ordered them to cease. America is aligned with Israel. IS anyone getting scared yet??????
Let us not get lost in trying to be reasonable, in the sense of wasting any effort listening yet again to Israel’s justification for crimes against humanity. Rather let us celebrate the victory of truth and honesty by its deeds, not words. Israel is proving its nationhood in its actions.
Israel has proved Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statement "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" or that he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse, or so any intelligent translation such as Juan Cole’s would have it, nothing to do with the propaganda put about of "wiped Israel off the face of the earth or "pushing into the sea" or any Hillary style “total obliteration”. Israel’s present action makes Ahmadinejad's hope for “regime change” not only a reasonable aspiration but a necessary goal for global security. Israel has literally become a loose “nuclear armed” cannon. So far, and most unfortunately for them, it is “only” the Palestinians who are paying the price.
Saddam Hussein’s regime was routed for weapons he did not posses, and then he was hanged for minorities he killed. Israel does posses these terrible weapons, has threatened to use them, and has viciously and repeatedly attacked its neighbors in aggressive land grabs, and is regularly murdering and imprisoning the majority peoples of its own land and the land of the territories it has occupied illegally. Jews are the minority. As a state that was originally founded on the Hocus-Pocus of revisionist history of a home-land, mixed with lies, half truths, PR propaganda, combined with American-Jewish-Zionist wishful thinking plus cheques and repeated protection of that country’s compliant government in the face of outright defiance of the universal laws and decency; that combined with its own plain old fashioned state terrorism, espionage, corruption, and all the other black arts, that it justifies in its own defence – to defend that which cannot be defended.
In short Israel should never have existed without proper accommodation of the Palestinian people who, out of western neo-colonial arrogance and racism, were faced with, and rightly rejected, a UN 'fait accompli' in 1948. But now that it does exist, it should be incumbent upon its sponsors namely UK and USA to make sure it is put back behind its legitimate borders (pre 6 day war 1967) and as a state it must be made, compulsorily obliged, to abandon all offensive actions and weapons and in particular those of mass destruction.
Israel as a state, after repeated invasions and destruction of Lebanon in 82 and again in 06, as well as its continued illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, repeated human rights abuses, and repeated war crimes, has lost any and all credibility, far more so than say Iraq did at the time by invading Kuwait, not to mention any illusive threat Iraq was supposed to pose to the international community from its “hidden” weapons….. Israel is a real and deadly threat to global security and must be disarmed, NOW.
The security of Israel is not worth the human price the Palestinians are paying. Hamas is by far the more legitimate government of the Palestinians than Israeli occupation and calling them terrorists verges on ironic in light of Israel’s actions today as a state that is bombing an unarmed civilian population under there occupation by blockade.
Israel has lost its last legs as a legitimate state because it can see no way to justify its position other than through violence and murder. If to get elected Benyamin Netanyahu or Tzipi Livni have to show behavior worse than Nazis to appease an electorate that has no ethical or moral basis in their demands for occupying lands that are not theirs’ and demands for security and protection from those they abuse and those against whom they commit repeated heinous crimes in the name of Israel, this state has become what can only be called a “failed state”.
Israel’s attempt to inflict murder and pain on Hamas, Gaza and its people is a desperate act of mad aggression made by a looser not by a responsible state. These acts could not happen if not indorsed by another looser, and I don’t just mean George W. Bush and his administration, which are obviously in full approval of this carnage, but I believe the onus here lies squarely with all America including the incumbent Obama. As a nation America is the looser, having financed and promoted, build this monster, created this blind madness in the name of an ally and friendly state. America is morally and ethically the looser. This is the foreign manifestation of that same sop, the constant corruption, the lie, which is internally bringing America to its knees.
Clap, clap, clap, well stated Lucitanian bravo.
Still not "worse than the Nazis". You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
The Israelis are indeed trampling on international law and human rights, but I would suggest that you engage in some studies in history!!
You, obviously don't have a clue of history to properly compare this massacre of the civilian population of Gaza with say Guernica. This is much worse than the Nazis. And what is also worse is the world's blindness to the clear comparison of the Israeli Government, these Zionist state terrorists and their occupation and land theft, beside the lessons of Hitler and the Nazi use of state terror and violence to gain lebensraum for an Aryan ubermenchen. Do you believe for a moment that the “greater Israel” dream of these Zionist killers will stop with a “settlement” with the Palestinians? Do you even think there is any aim for such an eventuality? This is worse than Hitler because they already have the US congress, senate and administration doing there work for them, totting for wars in the whole region.
Please don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. I have taken a long time to see the Fascist dictatorship rise in this new form, and it is worse, just partly because you cannot see it as such. You are now in 1929 economically and 1935-6 politically. Give it a couple of years my friend, and then tell me again.
It debases situations and diverts from action to engage in "worse than" arguments. What if the Nazis were worse? What if the Congo is worse? What if the daily death by starvation of thousands of kids is worse? So what does this mean?
Each situation deserves its own attention and remedy, especially those that are NOW, those that can be remedied and those for which things are being done in our name. We should use history to understand, to find the common threads that cause such things and work toward extirpating them.
Joe
Do I lecture you on your choice of wording? I agree that every application of violence is comparable and relatively worse than the last because humanity does not learn from history that these methods do not work. Worse than the Nazis makes sense with the people who are causing this because it is the reference they have institutionalized as the "Holocaust" or "Sho'ah" and are constantly using with the world to show Jews as the victims although their were many groups that suffered under Nazis fascism, and there are many parallels to the victims in Palestine which they particularly do not wish to see.
But otherwise what you say is fair and although relativism applies to any statement, I accept your pedantry. I hope you get beyond this one point to get to the root of the problem and meaning of what I tried to express. Thank you.
"Worse than the Nazis makes sense with the people who are causing this because it is the reference they have institutionalized as the "Holocaust" or "Sho'ah" and are constantly using with the world to show Jews as the victims although their were many groups that suffered under Nazis fascism"
I see your point, but can't help but say the comparison is not a good one and I am fairly conversant with this period of history. If the Israeli were even the same as the Nazi's (let alone worse) this problem would no longer exist.
Pedantry? I have been known to do that. Sorry. It is unpleasant to be misunderstood or lectured when you are rightly outraged. You are right that the Holocaust has become a cynical justification for any and all behavior, including behavior similar to the Nazis.
It's just that I have seen so many discussions go downhill when people start competing about who has suffered most, etc.
Joe
Israeli Jews, like the Nazis, don't care what the world thinks. They just get on with their elitist objectives and kill, imprison or occupy anyone who gets in their road.
It must be the greatest irony in the history of the world how a group of outcasts who were badly treated in WW2 set up a nation which now, sixty year later, punishes other outcasts.
Of course, more sinister is what Israel reveals about human beings, about human nature. It reveals a lot about the dangers of religious fanaticism too!
Does anyone know of a rocket that is heading for another planet? I'm sick of this sick world!
www.dangerouscreation.com
Wonder if Obama would feel the same toward Israel if his two daughters had to live in Gaza under those dire conditions year after year? Wouldn't he finally reach the point where he would want some protection or protest at the injustice of their living conditions? Or is it only the Israeli daughters who are suffering and dying?
The US has made another blunder in their choice for president, not that McCain would have been any better.
Democracy, thy name is phony.
Well, if you're moving into a new area and you eventually take over that area, you can't expect your neighbors to like it. If, on top of everything else, you happen to believe that you are superior to your neighbors, it doesn't help either.
The fact that your neighbors have lots of cousins in the wider area should make you careful. But you aren't really. You don't need to be. Because you've got a powerful friend who lives far away - and who himself has moved into a new area and taken over that area, except that your powerful friend's old neighbors weren't that well organized, so your powerful friend was really lucky - which means that this friend of yours has a lot of understanding for your situation.
Your powerful friend stands by you, no matter what you do. After all, the powerful friend did similar things, no, actually worse things, when he took over his new place. Although that's a while ago.
And: Many of your family members happen to live in the powerful friend's place as well, and some of them have become fairly influential, which helps.
The problem is just that your neighbors just won't accept the new status quo. Particularly not, since you are still expanding your territory. Hey, with your powerful friend at your side, everything is possible!
So the old neighbors have become really mean and violent, since that's about the only thing they think works.
Your powerful friends keeps pretending that he wants to be an honest broker in your neighborhood conflict, but he is actually only giving the old neighbors a hard time and never chides you. You still get away with just about anything. You can't believe your luck.
Your powerful friends' buddies don't like this development one bit and find it unhealthy and unfair, but whenever they criticize you, you make sure to remind them of your horrible childhood. That always shuts them up.
By now, at least 70% of your powerful friend's problems with his buddies derive from what is going on in your neighborhood. The whole world accuses him of being unfair and one-sided in this conflict. Your friend has actually had to endure quite a lot of trouble and violence because he is siding with you.
At times, you just can't believe your luck that your powerful friend is prepared to endure so much trouble just because you took over a new neighbourhood and weren't doing anything to appease the old inhabitants of your neighbourhood..but he seems to enjoy doing it for you. That's what friends are for, right?
I'm so glad to see so many people waking up to the truth about Mr. Obama and his phony platform of "change." It's just so heartbreaking that it took this heinous, criminal action by Israel to wake people up.
Dave
http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/
US Veto Blocks UN Anti-Israel Resolution
Washington once again used its veto powers on Sunday to block a resolution calling for an end to the massive ongoing Israeli attacks against the Gaza Strip. By Press TV
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IAF uses new US-supplied smart bomb 29 Dec 2008 The Israel Air Force used a new bunker-buster missile [GBU-39] that it received recently from the United States in strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, The Jerusalem Post learned on Sunday.
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What human being would want to watch Genocidal Monsters take their oaths of office next month?
Sucking up to AIPAC, having a guy like Warren at the inauguration: why wasting millions of dollars on elections? Change? No, we won't!!!
What's so big about that? The dude's allied himself with AIPAC even in the primaries.
... and chose 'Israel' as his middle name ...
Former Green Party Presidential candidate and Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney boards relief ship "Dignity" to try and run the Gaza blockade
Dignity Leaves for Gaza: Challenges World to "Stop this Madness!"
[ http://www.freegaza.org/index.php?module=latest_news&id=cb7d7e4821d2af8b... ]
May the Goddess protect Cynthia McKinney, who is MY one and only true candidate for U.S. President.
I am a Jew by birth, and I have my loyalties. But I say today what I would say during the Nazi era: May the Goddess protect all oppressed peoples from harm, whether Jews or Palestinians.
I hope my candidate keeps her head down, Israel is well known to spend a lazy afternoon strafing American Liberty and then try to blame it on others.
Bush = Worst President Ever.
Obama = Biggest Disappointment Ever.
Well, actually not for me, because I never
had any illusions about the Hypocrite elect.
May all Beings be blessed.
Re: Mr. Obama: "New boss same as the old boss." Peter Townsend of the WHO.
Obama said : "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."
Hey Obama- What if someone had stolen your house and kicked you out of it? Would you do everything in your power to stop THAT?
As I have been saying, Obama will be serving Empire, and Israel is an outpost of Empire. Consequently, Obama will be serving Israel, just as Bush does. No difference between Bush and Obama in that respect and in many others, as we will be seeing more and more in the weeks and months ahead.
YES, YOU CAN strip the Obama image of its veneer of change.
USAn, it's a good thing to try to help the Palestinians from dying of malnutrition. I doubt, however, that members of Congress or anyone else will pay any attention to our protests, spray paint, chalk, whatever. They're all whores for Israel.
For anyone feeling helpless, consider the following:
Contribute to Life for Relief and Development's emergency Gaza appeal:
http://www.lifeusa.org/site/PageServer
Or the United Palestinian Appeal:
http://www.helpupa.com/
Then get a can of spray paint or at least some sidewalk chalk, and express your outrage on the walkways near the entrances of your congressperson's local office and you local synagogues.
---USAn---
Yes to donations, no to chalking Synagogues, that is very counterproductive. Protest at Israelis consulates or overtly pro Zionist organizations, or the offices of Congresspeople who support Israel then you are hitting the mark.
I agree.
Joe
Yes to donations, no to chalking Synagogues, that is very counterproductive. Protest at Israelis consulates or overtly pro Zionist organizations, or the offices of Congresspeople who support Israel then you are hitting the mark.
Official America is going to do absolutely nothing about the genocide in Gaza. The level of control AIPAC supporters have over US corporate media simply won't allow it.
Unless the arabs outside of Palestine take action Gaza will be kept as Israel's whipping boy; always tormented and never released in order to keep invading armies at bay. Have no doubt that Israels leaders are using Gaza as a hostage population to ensure their own security.
Fighting the forces of rather dim lighting wherever they may be found!!
"Before running for president, he (Obama) provoked suspicion among Israelis and some US Jewish groups when he expressed sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians. But after winning the Democratic nomination earlier this year he veered in the other direction, voicing strong support for Israel in a speech in Washington to the Israeli lobby group Aipac."
So after Obama gets the votes, he changes his tune. What a weasel.
Nader told you so. Nader supporters told you so. CD banned some Nader supporters for criticizing their sacred cow Party. Obama was "the one". Sorry. Looks like a duck. Thinks like a duck. Talks like a duck. Acts like a duck. Is a duck. Just remember, four years from now, when the Democratic Party, once again, declares there is no other choice but to vote for the lesser of two evils, that you've been there, done that, and, never again. Unless, of course, you like to have the same all over again.
CD has no business banning Nader supporters. In fact, they have no business banning anyone. Any public forum that bans users needs to be shut down. How can we have democracy on the net when forums turn to partisanship and censorship?
I hear you. Eight years ago in my "old hippie music group" we had vociferous arguments about whether voting for Nader was "wasting votes" or not. I agree that we have a one-party system with two factions that disagree significantly about "social" issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.), but almost not at all about economics. Then what happened? Some of us voted for Nader; some for Gore. Bush won, and screwed everyone but the top 1%. Nader is right about the one big corporatocracy. The question I have is, how do we get a viable third party? It seems that the more prominent the third-party candidate (notably Perot in 1992 and Nader in 2000), the more that prominence hurts the "faction-of-the-one-party " closest to it. It's some kind of Catch-22, and I'm truly at a loss, to the point that in 2006, I threw up my hands, said "fuck it," and didn't even vote (after voting in every election since I came of age). If the only option we have is the lesser of two evils because third parties are spayed and neutered, then the only answer IS "fuck it, don't vote." Immigration?
You assume that having Mr. Gore as president would have changed the structure and allegiance of the one party system. In fact, with Mr. Gore as president, nothing substantial would have changed with the structure of the corporate run government.
So instead of trying to "guess" who would be the better candidate between the Republican and the Democrat, just vote your conscience. Stop being confused.
Good call! I did make a false assumption. "Vote my conscience." That's good advice. "Stop being confused." I wish it were so easy!
The great hope has turned into the foreign policy dope.
Every day Israel grows larger and Palestine grows smaller. They were supposed to share the land 0f the "Palestinian Mandate" -it's now Israel 80%, Palestinian 20%
Israel and US preach a two state solution but they practice the creeping erasure of the Palestinian people.
People rebel under such desperate circumstances. Let's hope there is some power to get Israel to stop just like NATO stopped the Serbs from attacking Kosovo.
Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers
I call people who vote either Republican or Democrat “ca-ca babies”, people whose intellectual capacity is comparable to a 3 month old infant who isn’t good for anything beyond pooping in their diapers, unable to clean it up, unable to even learn from the consequences. But don’t worry all you little Obama ca-ca babies, mommy will help clean up your messy intellectual diaper in the next election. All you need to do is continue voting Republican or Democrat. If you don’t the boogieman will get you. Now be a good little ca-ca baby and go to sleep while mommy fucks you up the ass.
Wow! You must be more better and more smarter than EVERYBODY ELSE! We is all just dumb-dumb compared to you. Pleaze help us! You so smart! You be prezident! You be mommy to ALL ca-ca babies!
P.S. Please don't have children, if it's not too late.
It is too late. I not only have children, I have grandchildren. But they are all blindly supporting a corrupt government by voting for Obama, blindly fighting America’s preemptive wars (I have two grandchildren in Iraq), all believing they are doing something constructive, when in reality they are helping to destroy this country, all believing their grandfather is a senile old fool who does not understand the world. All ca-ca babies.
You sound like an idiot
What is this 'mommy' stuff? It ain't Mommy who will hurt you. Capitalism is a big problem but so is patriarchy. All this power stuff and the big military actions and the money to the rich and for even more illegal wars and occupations is not the doing of the women of the world. All councils, boards, commissions, assemblies or Houses of Representatives need to be gender balanced. We need women to be involved in the decisions of our government. And I sure as hell don't mean Diane Feinstein, Hillary Clinton or Madeline Albright.
You won't find many women who would want to spend trillions of dollars from our bankrupt treasury to buy more weapons to kill people and damage the earth.
The "mommy stuff" is apt because the corruption of capitalism or socialism stems from the "mommy stuff" - secondary drive formation resulting from lack of emotional development. See the Chronicles of Narnia: the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, with special attention to Edmund(Western mind set) and his desire for sweet treats, the basis of his betrayal. I'd go into how we would benefit not from having gender balance at council but from the unfettering of the feminine perspective...but to many here would "ca ca" their diapers.
"You won't find many women who would want to spend trillions of dollars from our bankrupt treasury to buy more weapons to kill people and damage the earth."
Tell that to Margaret Thatcher just before she invaded the Falklands and foisted TINA on us. Tell that to Condi Rice, tell that to Madeline Albright who believed 500,000 dead Iraqis was "worth it." Sigh, why do I even bother?
Please keep bothering!
I am surprised that my rather crude post generated so much response. The truth is, it was an experiment, as well as a last futile effort to encourage some much needed conversation about the corruption of the two-party system. My effort is called “last” because it is my New Year’s resolution to never post again, which should cause many of you to rejoice. And of course I believe it is futile because it will probably fail to encourage the type of reflective thinking that most of you Obama voters are in chronic need of. Of course this type of conversation is not new. It does appear here from time to time, posted by those individuals who I regard as free thinkers, people who see through the veil of lies that covers up the two-party system. But such conversation doesn’t happen enough, and even when it does the vast majority of readers at this site don’t pay enough respect to it. This was clearly demonstrated before the last election by all of those who posted their rationalizations for voting for Obama. Rationalizations like: The lesser of two evils, Obama represents change, A vote for third party is a vote for McCain, and many more intellectually empty beliefs. Unfortunately, and to the embarrassment of America, these were the exact rationalizations used by so many American voters.
To answer FastEddie75, I do admit that I am smarter than 99% percent of all American voters, and so is everyone else in that 1% category who bravely fought peer pressure and voted outside the two-party system. But another truth, and a very sad one indeed, is, “I am not really very smart at all.” This of course says little for the rest of you. That’s right, even an absolute idiot could see that voting for Obama was really the same as a vote for McCain. It was a vote for the two party plutocracy and Military Industrial Complex that continues to lead this country headstrong towards its own destruction by forcing the rest of the world to eventually take military action against us. It is a road that is a carbon copy of the road that Germany took in the 1930s. It is a sickness. It is a madness. And, it is so prevalent in American culture that it will require its near complete destruction in order to correct. Indeed, I predict that this century history will see the complete leveling of America, very similar to the leveling of Germany in 1945, and it will be done in only a few hours with the use of nuclear weapons. A mere idiot can see all these things.
I’m glad at least one of you saw some value of using the word “mommy”. The truth is, I thought hard to construct some symbolism that might capture the intellectual problem that most Americans suffer from, a problem that encourages them to continue voting for an absolutely corrupt form of government, when in fact they are perfectly free to choose otherwise by casting their vote in an electoral system that they already enjoy. No revolution is really necessary. The mechanism is already in place. Just a little tick mark next to an appropriate name on a ballot is all it takes. What could be simpler? Yet 99% of voters refuse to do it, proving that intellectually they are still in their ca-ca baby stage of development. They still rely on their mommy to clean up their intellectual mess. That mommy comes in the form of the two-party system of government, which is nothing more than the public arm of the Military Industrial Complex and plutocracy that really runs this country. All would be fine except for the last statement in my original post, “Now be a good little ca-ca baby and go to sleep while mommy fucks you up the ass”
In today’s televised news I saw Cynthia McKinney, who is currently in the Middle East bringing aid to the Palestinian people. She said, “Every bomb that kills innocent people is American made.” Just think about that. And, just think what might be happening if in fact Cynthia had been elected President, as indeed she should have been based on the issues?
When most Americans of today think of Germany of the 1930s, they blame its eventual demise on one person, Adolf Hitler. But that is a very naïve understanding. The real problem was the Nazi party and how it encouraged and promoted atrocities at all levels of authority to obtain its goals, the same goals that America has today promoted in exactly the same way. To name only a few, the American government murdered its own President Kennedy in broad daylight and laughed about it, marched almost 60,000 of its own citizens to their deaths in battle against a made up enemy in a war (Vietnam) based on lies (Bay of Tonkin), and is currently marching over 4,000 to their deaths in another made up war (Iraq) also based on lies. And who cares about the millions of foreigners murdered. They’re just scum, right?
Many Germans of the 1930s saw Hitler as the leader they thought they needed, and supported him wholeheartedly. However, being at the ca-ca baby stage of their intellectual development, they were not able to see that it was not Hitler himself, but the Nazi party and the policies that it promoted that were the problem. It is the same here in America today. Most people talk about Obama as their leader, when in fact he represents the Military Industrial Complex and plutocracy that runs this country, which is America's biggest problem. The only true solution lies outside the two-party system.
Good-bye ca-ca babies.
Compare and Contrast the statements on Gaza from Hoyer and Kucinich.
House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (MD):
“Israel is acting in clear self-defense in response to heinous rocket attacks from Hamas-controlled Gaza. As a sovereign nation, Israel has an unequivocal right to take action to ensure the security and safety of her citizens. Indiscriminate attacks by Hamas are a serious detriment to the peace process in the region.”
Dennis Kucinich, Congressman (OH):
“Today I sent a letter to Secretary General Ban ki-Moon urging the United Nations to establish an independent inquiry of Israel's war against Gaza. The attacks on civilians represent collective punishment, which is a violation of Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The perpetrators of attacks against Israel must also be brought to justice, but Israel cannot create a war against an entire people in order to attempt to bring to justice the few who are responsible. The Israeli leaders know better. The world community, which has been very supportive of Israel's right to security and its right to survive, also has a right to expect Israel to conduct itself in adherence to the very laws which support the survival of Israel and every other nation,”...
“Israel is leveling Gaza to strike at Hamas, just as they pulverized south Lebanon to strike at Hezbollah. Yet in both cases civilian populations were attacked, countless innocents killed or injured, infrastructure targeted and destroyed, and civil law enforcement negated. All this was, and is, disproportionate, indiscriminate mass violence in violation of international law. Israel is not exempt from international law and must be held accountable. It is time for the UN to not just call for a cease-fire, but for an inquiry as to Israel's actions.”
Full and unedited at:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/38546
That is the solution.....Dennis Kucinich must split the Democrats into two separate parties......It is time for: Republicans, Blue Dog Conservative Democrats, and Progressive Democrats.
In "Zeitgeist", the movie, President Kennedy warns the American People about secret societies infiltrating government and taking over control of the government. He never got to tell us who those people were. Many of Obama's appointments were invitees to Bilderberg Club meetings. If they are not from Council on Foreign Relations, they are from Tri Lateral Commission. If they aren't from Rand Corporation, they are from Brookings Institute.
So, there is no surprise that the "Never Ending Wars" will continue....Israel is just baiting the Arab World, hoping that Iran will come to the rescue. Mumbai was a "False Flag Terrorist Attack" to be blamed on Islamic Militants with hopes that the U.S. would then engage Pakistan.
The goal is: more bases, more profits......Human life has no meaning to the "Power Elite".
Why would anyone be surprised at Mr. O's continuation of the US alliance with Israel?
Israel as it has developed has become a useful partner to keep the Middle East divided and destabilized, the sole nuclear power in the region. With Israel, Egypt and Jordan, the Palestinians have little to hope for as long as the US is the main backer of those governments.
Everyone hear what Pelosi had to say, right?
Same old same old same old.
Give up once and for all on any change in US foreign policy and stop fooling yourselves, my yanqui friends.
The only way to end the tragedy of Palestine is to eliminate the Zionist state of Israel, just as the Nazi state of Germany was eliminated. Jews willing to be peaceful Palestinians and citizens of Palestine should remain while all zionists should be deported to their home countries/ethnic origins.
The current--and past--Axis of Evil is still the US Empire and Israel--the world's #1 and 2 leaders in State Terrorism. These two uncivilized states must be removed if humnaity is to progress beyond its current woeful state.
goose 4 (or is it "goose-step 4"?) is parroting the usual line about Israel defending itself against terrorists.
What about the punitive mass retaliation that Israel indulges in so often? Is the massive bombing for the purpose of destroying homes, clinics, schools, water and electricity a legitimate form of self-defence against hand-held rockets?
Why doesn't Israel move its population away from the dangerous border while the conflict lasts, unless it needs its own "human shields" as a justification to carpet-bomb Gaza? After all, Israel (like the US) is always complaining that the nasty Palestinian militants use "human shields", i.e., they fight back from their own communities.
Some of us non-goosestepping Jews, who have read the Torah's injunctions against the type of warfare the Zionists wage, are sick at heart.
Surprise, Surprise, I'm not surprised I voted for Nader.
Suckers you got fooled again, but don't worry you will never learn, too god damn
stupid to ever learn, which is why you keep voting for democrats and expecting a
different result.
Exactly.
This is why I did not vote for Obama: just another piece of dung.
Maybe his supporters will wake up someday, before world war III starts.
We need a three or more party system here in the US to have voices be heard that are not subdued by AIPAC a.k.a American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs (back in 1953).
I told you all this before. Israel is important to the world and Palestine is not. Palestine doesn't produce oil, technology, science or art. Israel does. No country is going to do the math and support Hamas or Gaza or Palestine over Israel.
In a week, you'll all be here whining more and more terrorists will be dead and Israel won't really even know there's a war on. They'll be going to movies, trading with the rest of the world. They'll be as we are now in regards to Iraq - watching it on TV and going about their daily business.
No government on the planet is going to do anything about this because they all know that Hamas has been launching missles for weeks. Israel is only responding and trying to instill fear in their neighbors - and - it will work.
Ask how many missles Hezbollah has fired in support? Hmmmmm maybe that 2006 invasion was a little more effective than anyone here ever admitted.
The truth may hurt you but here it is:
On the night of the U.S. election, Israel fired missiles on Gaza that were aimed at closing down a tunnel operation they believed Hamas was building in order to kidnap Israeli soldiers. The carnage left in the wake of Israel's bombing of Gaza over the past six weeks has killed dozens of Palestinians.
It was this aggression which broke the existing truth. It was only after this act of state-sponsored terror that the Gazans started sending rockets into Israel.
I say Gazans instead of Hamas deliberately because essentially the entire population of the Gaza supports Hamas.
"I told you all this before Germany is important to the world and Jews are not. Jews don't produce oil, technology, science or art. Germany does. No country is going to do the math and support Jews or Zionists over Germany."
--Adolph Hitler
I corrected your post Goose 4 Step you are welcome. Zionists sadly I don't even think are aware of how racist and evil their rhetoric sounds they are so blinded by hatred and overt dehumanization of Palestinians. Of course Zionism doesn't eqal racism, how could I ever think that? Sigh!
While much of what you say is pragmatically true, it doesn't make it right. And there is more than one side to this argument. Appearently too many sides.