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Seymour Hersh: The Man Who Knows Too Much
He exposed the My Lai massacre, revealed Nixon's secret bombing of Cambodia and has hounded Bush and Cheney over the abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib... No wonder the Republicans describe Seymour Hersh as 'the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist'. Rachel Cooke meets the most-feared investigative reporter in Washington
Every so often, a famous actor or producer will contact Seymour Hersh, wanting to make a movie about his most famous story: his single-handed uncovering, in 1969, of the My Lai massacre, in which an American platoon stormed a village in South Vietnam and, finding only its elderly, women and children, launched into a frenzy of shooting, stabbing and gang-raping. It won him a Pulitzer prize and hastened the end of the Vietnam war. Mostly, they come to see him in his office in downtown Washington, a two-room suite that he has occupied for the past 17 years. Do they like what they see? You bet they do, even if the movie has yet to be made. 'Brad Pitt loved this place,' says Hersh with a wolfish grin. 'It totally fits the cliché of the grungy reporter's den!' When last he renewed the lease, he tells me, he made it a condition of signing that the office would not be redecorated - the idea of moving all his stuff was too much. It's not hard to see why. Slowly, I move my head through 180 degrees, trying not to panic at the sight of so much paper piled so precipitously. Before me are 8,000 legal notepads, or so it seems, each one filled with a Biro Cuneiform of scribbled telephone numbers. By the time I look at Hersh again - the full panorama takes a moment or two - he is silently examining the wall behind his desk, which is grey with grime, and striated as if a billy goat had sharpened its horns on it.
American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. Photograph: Martha Camarillo And then there is Hersh
himself, a splendid sight. After My Lai, he was hired by the New York
Times to chase the tail of the Watergate scandal, a story broken by its
rival, the Washington Post. In All the President's Men, Bob Woodward
and Carl Bernstein's book about their scoop, they describe him - the
competition. He was unlike any reporter they'd ever seen: 'Hersh,
horn-rimmed and somewhat pudgy, showed up for dinner in old tennis
shoes, a frayed pinstriped shirt that might have been at its best in
his college freshman year and rumpled, bleached khakis.' Forty years
on, little has changed. Today he is in trainers, chinos and a baggy
navy sweatshirt and - thanks to a tennis injury - he is walking like an
old guy: chest forward, knees bandy, slight limp in one leg. There is
something cherishably chaotic about him. A fuzzy halo of frantic
inquiry follows him wherever he goes, like the cloud of dust that
hovers above Pig Pen in the Charlie Brown strip. In conversation, away
from the restraining hand of his bosses at the New Yorker, the magazine
that is now his home, his thoughts pour forth, unmediated and - unless
you concentrate very hard - seemingly unconnected. 'Yeah, I shoot my
mouth off,' he says, with faux remorse. 'There's a huge difference
between writing and thinking.' Not that he has much time for those who
put cosy pontification over the graft of reporting: 'I think... My
colleagues! I watch 'em on TV, and every sentence begins with the
words: "I think." They could write a book called I Think.'
But we must backtrack a little. Before the office, there is the breakfast joint. Hersh and I meet at the Tabard Inn, a Washington hangout so gloomily lit I could do with a torch. He has poached eggs and coffee and 'none of that other stuff, thanks'. (I think he means that he doesn't want potatoes with his eggs). Like everyone in America just now, he is on tenterhooks. A Democrat who truly despises the Bush regime, he is reluctant to make predictions about exactly what is going to happen in the forthcoming election on the grounds that he might 'jinx it'. The unknown quantity of voter racism apart, however, he is hopeful that Obama will pull it off, and if he does, for Hersh this will be a starting gun. 'You cannot believe how many people have told me to call them on 20 January [the date of the next president's inauguration],' he says, with relish. '[They say:] "You wanna know about abuses and violations? Call me then." So that is what I'll do, so long as nothing awful happens before the inauguration.' He plans to write a book about the neocons and, though it won't change anything - 'They've got away with it, categorically; anyone who talks about prosecuting Bush and Cheney [for war crimes] is kidding themselves' - it will reveal how the White House 'set out to sabotage the system... It wasn't that they found ways to manipulate Congressional oversight; they had conversations about ending the right of Congress to intervene.'
In one way, it's amazing Hersh has anything left to say about Bush, Cheney and their antics. Then again, with him, this pushing of a story on and on is standard practice. Though it was Woodward and Bernstein who uncovered the significance of the burglary at the Watergate building, Hersh followed up their scoop by becoming one of Nixon's harshest critics and by breaking stories about how the government had supported Pinochet's 1973 coup in Chile, secretly bombed Cambodia and used the CIA to spy on its domestic enemies. His 1983 book about Nixon, The Price of Power, is definitive. So far as the War on Terror goes, Hersh has already delivered his alternative history - Chain of Command, a book based on the series of stories he wrote for the New Yorker in the aftermath of 9/11 and following Bush's invasion of Iraq. Among other things, Hersh told us of the bungled efforts to catch Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan; of the dubious business dealings of the superhawk Richard Perle - a report that led to Perle's resignation as chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board (Hersh alleged that Perle improperly mixed his business affairs with his influence over US foreign policy when he met the Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi in 2003. Perle described Hersh as 'the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist' and threatened to sue before falling oddly silent); and of how Saddam's famous efforts to buy uranium in Africa, as quoted by President Bush in his 2003 State of the Union speech, were a fiction. Most electrifying of all, however, was his triple salvo on the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib. It was Hersh who first revealed the full extent of this torture, for which he traced the ultimate responsibility carefully back to the upper reaches of the administration. 'In each successive report,' writes David Remnick, the editor of the New Yorker, in his introduction to Chain of Command, 'it became clear that Abu Ghraib was not an "isolated incident" but, rather, a concerted attempt by the government and the military leadership to circumvent the Geneva Conventions in order to extract intelligence and quell the Iraqi insurgency.' As Remnick points out, this reporting has 'stood up over time and in the face of a president whose calumny has turned out to be a kind of endorsement'. Bush reportedly told Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, that Hersh was 'a liar'; after the third of his reports on Abu Ghraib, a Pentagon spokesman announced that Hersh merely 'threw a lot of crap against the wall and he expects someone to peel off what's real. It's a tapestry of nonsense.'
Earlier this year, Hersh turned his attention to Iran: to Bush's desire to bomb it and to America's covert operations there. But while Hersh believes the President would still dearly love to go after Iran, the danger of that actually happening has now passed. Events, not least the sinking of the global economy, have moved on. So he is shortly to write about Syria instead, which he has recently visited. In the dying days of the Bush administration, he says, it is noticeably easier to meet contacts - Cheney, the enforcer, is a lot less powerful - and the information he is getting is good. By coincidence, it was in Syria that he first heard about what was going on inside Abu Ghraib, long before he saw documentary evidence of it. 'I got in touch with a guy inside Iraq during the Prague Spring after the fall of Baghdad, a two-star guy from the old regime. He came up to Damascus by cab. We talked for four days, and one of the things we talked about was prisons. He told me that some of the women inside had been sending messages to their fathers and brothers asking them to come and kill them because they'd been molested. I didn't know whether it was GIs playing grab ass or what, but it was clear that the women had been shamed. So when I first heard about the photographs, I knew they were real. Did I think the story would be as big as it was? Yeah. But was it as big as My Lai? No.' Only a handful of relatively lowly military personnel have so far been punished for their part in the abuse, and Colonel Janis Karpinski, the commander of the Iraqi prisons, was merely demoted (from Brigadier General), in spite of the fact that the Taguba Report, the internal US army report on detainee abuse that was leaked to Hersh, singled her out for blame. 'And John Kerry wouldn't even use it [Abu Ghraib] in his campaign. He didn't want to offend the military, I assume.'
Four decades separate My Lai and Abu Ghraib. You have to ask: wasn't it appalling for him to be investigating US army abuses of civilians all over again? Didn't he think that lessons might have been learnt? Yes, and no. It made him feel 'hopeless', but on the other hand, war is always horrible. In 1970, after his My Lai story, he addressed an anti-war rally and, on the spur of the moment, asked a veteran to come up and tell the crowd what some soldiers would do on their way home after a day spent moving their wounded boys. With little prompting, the traumatised vet described how they would buzz farmers with their helicopter blades, sometimes decapitating them; they would then clean up the helicopter before they landed back at base. 'That's what war is like,' he says. 'But how do you write about that? How do you tell the American people that?' Still, better to attempt to tell people than to stay feebly silent. What really gets Hersh going - he seems genuinely bewildered by it - is the complicit meekness, the virtual collapse, in fact, of the American press since 9/11. In particular, he disdains its failure to question the 'evidence' surrounding Saddam's so-called weapons of mass destruction. 'When I see the New York Times now, it's so shocking to me. I joined the Times in 1972, and I came with the mark of Cain on me because I was clearly against the war. But my editor, Abe Rosenthal, he hired me because he liked stories. He used to come to the Washington bureau and almost literally pat me on the head and say: "How is my little Commie today? What do you have for me?" Somehow, now, reporters aren't able to get stories in. It was stunning to me how many good, rational people - people I respect - supported going into war in Iraq. And it was stunning to me how many people thought you could go to war against an idea.'
As for the troop 'surge' and its putative success, he more or less rolls his eyes when I bring this up. 'People are saying quietly that they are worried about Iraq. This is nothing profound, but by the time the surge got going, ethnic cleansing had already happened in a lot of places. There was a natural lull in the violence. The moment we start withdrawing, and relying on the Shia to start paying members of the Awakening [the alliance of Sunni insurgents whose salaries were initially paid by the US military, and who have helped to reduce violence in some provinces]...' His voice trails off. 'And the big bad bogeyman is Saudi Arabia. There's an awful lot of money going to Salafist and Wahabist charities, and there's no question they'll pour money into the Awakening, and they're so hostile to Shi'ism and to Iran that how can you possibly predict anything other than violence? How do we get out of this? There is no way out. We have a moral obligation to the people of Iraq that goes beyond anything that anyone's talking about. The notion that it's their problem, that we should just leave... I mean, can you believe what we've done to their society? Imagine the psychosis, the insanity, that we've induced.' He stabs the yolk of one of his poached eggs, and sets about his toast like he hasn't eaten in days.
Seymour M Hersh (the M is for Myron) was born in Chicago, the son of Yiddish-speaking immigrants from Lithuania and Poland (he has a twin brother, a physicist, and two sisters, also twins). The family was not rich; his father, who died when Seymour was 17, ran a dry-cleaning business. After school he attended a local junior college until a professor took him aside, asked him what he was doing there and walked him up to the University of Chicago. 'Chicago was this great egghead place,' Hersh says. 'But I knew nothing. I came out of a lower-middle-class background. At that time, everyone used to define themselves: Stalinist, Maoist, whatever. I thought they meant "miaowist". Seriously! Something to do with cats. Among my peers, they all thought I would write the great novel, because I was very quick and cutting. I've just read Philip Roth's new novel [Indignation], and the arrogance of his character reminded me of that certitude. I was always pointing out other people's flaws.' He went to law school but hated it, dropped out and wound up as a copy boy, then a reporter for the local City News Bureau. Later he joined Associated Press in Washington and rose through its ranks until he quit for a stint working for the Democrat senator Eugene McCarthy. Pretty soon, though, he was back in journalism. 'Using words to make other people less big made me feel bigger, though the psychological dimension to that... well, I don't want to explore it.' His wife of 40 years, Elizabeth, whom he describes as 'the love of my life' in the acknowledgements of Chain of Command (they have three grown-up children), is a psychoanalyst. Doesn't she ever tell him about his ego and his id? He looks embarrassed. 'No, no... marriage is... different. When you live with someone you don't... The hardest part for her is when she tells me to take out the garbage and I say: "Excuse me? I don't have time. I'm saving the world."' Later, however, he tells me that journalism, like psychoanalysis, is about 'bringing things into focus'.
He was a broke freelance working for a new syndication agency when he got wind of My Lai. A military lawyer told him that a soldier at Fort Benning, a Georgia army base, was facing a court martial for murdering at least 109 Vietnamese civilians. Hersh rocked up in Benning and went on a door-to-door search, somehow avoiding the officers on base, until he found Lieutenant William L Calley Jr, a boyish 26-year-old otherwise known as Rusty. He asked the former railway pointsman if they could talk, which they did, for three hours. They then went to the grocery store, got steaks, bourbon and wine, and talked some more at the apartment of Calley's girlfriend. Calley told Hersh that he had only been following orders, but nevertheless he described what had happened (it later turned out that soldiers of the 11th Brigade killed 500 or more civilians that morning). Soon after, 36 newspapers ran the story under Hersh's byline. Some, however, did not carry it, in spite of the fact that Calley's own lawyer had confirmed it, among them the New York Times. The scoop caused not only horror but disbelief. Hersh, though, was not to be put off. 'By the third story, I found this amazing fellow, Paul Meadlo, from a small town in Indiana, a farm kid, who had actually shot many of the Vietnamese kids - he'd shot maybe 100 people. He just kept on shooting and shooting, and then the next day he had his leg blown off, and he told Calley, as they medevac-ed him: "God has punished me and now he will punish you."' Hersh wrote this up, CBS put Meadlo on the TV news, and finally the story could no longer be ignored. The next year, 1970, he was awarded the Pulitzer prize.
How does Hersh operate? The same way as he's always done: it's all down to contacts. Unlike Bob Woodward, however, whose recent books about Iraq have involved long and somewhat pally chats with the President, Hersh gets his stuff from lower down the food chain. Woodward was one of those who was convinced that WMD would be found in Iraq. 'He does report top dollar,' says Hersh. 'I don't go to the top because I think it's sorta useless. I see people at six o'clock in the morning somewhere, unofficially.' Are they mostly people he has known for a long time? 'No, I do pick up new people.' But with new contacts he must be wary; there is always the danger of a plant. His critics point to what they regard as his excessive use of unnamed sources. Others accuse him of getting things wrong and of being gullible. A low point came in the Nineties, when he embarked on a book about Kennedy, The Dark Side of Camelot. Hersh was shown documents that alleged the President was being blackmailed by Marilyn Monroe, and though he discovered that they were fake in time to remove all mention of them from his book, the damage to his reputation had already been done - and the critics let rip anyway, for his excitable portrayal of JFK as a sex addict and bigamist. There was also the time, in 1974, when he accused the US ambassador to Chile, Edward Korry, of being in on a CIA plot to overthrow President Allende. Some years later, Hersh had to write a long correction; it ran on page one of the New York Times. As a Jew, his mailbag since 9/11 has also included letters from readers who denounce him as a self-hater (later, at this office, he shows me one of these: its author, an MD with a Florida postcode, accuses him of being a 'kapo' - the kapo were concentration camp prisoners who worked for the Nazis in exchange for meagre privileges).
His supporters, though, believe that his mistakes - and even the wilder allegations he sometimes makes in speeches - should always be put in the context of his hit rate. A former Washington Post reporter, Scott Armstrong, once put it this way. Say he writes a story about how an elephant knocked someone down in a dark room. 'If it was a camel, or three cows, what difference does it make? It was dark, and it wasn't supposed to be there.' Hersh himself points out that, since 1993, he has been up against the stringent standards of the New Yorker and its legendary team of fact checkers. 'By the way, all my inside sources have to deal with the fact checkers, and they do. People find it hard to believe that, I don't know why.' And then there is his editor, David Remnick. 'I never love editors,' he says. 'But David is smart and he has great judgement.' How often does he check in with Remnick? 'I'm sure he would tell you less often than I should. He gets pretty angry with me. Sometimes we have these rows where I won't take his calls. He says no to a lot of stuff - stuff I think the editor would die for! Admittedly, it is not the Seymour Hersh weekly. But sometimes he'll say: "We are not going to publish this kind of stuff 'cos it's frigging crazy."' It was Tina Brown, formerly of Tatler and Vanity Fair, who brought him to the New Yorker. 'What's-her-name... yeah, Tina. She gave me a lot of money, and she said: "Just go do it!" But she used to worry. She'd call me up and say, "I sat next to Colin Powell at dinner last night and he was railing about how awful you are." So I would say, "Well, that's good." And she'd say, "Is it?" And I'd tell her, "Yes, it is."'
Does it worry him that he is sometimes described as the 'last American reporter'? Who is coming up behind him? 'A friend of mine wants to put $5m into a chair for investigative journalism for me, but why would I want to do that? Look, the cost of running my kind of work is very high, and a lot of stories don't even work out. I know a wonderful journalist who works on the internet. I called friends of mine at the Times and the Post. But he hasn't been hired because he would cost a lot of money.' But Hersh is in his seventies (he is a year younger than John McCain, though you'd never know), he can't keep going forever. Or can he? Most reporters start out hungry but somewhere along the way are sated. Not Hersh. 'I have information; I have people who trust me. What else am I going to do? I love golf and tennis and if I was good enough, I'd be professional. Since I'm not, what am I gonna do? Why shouldn't I be energetic? Our whole country is at stake. We have never had a situation like this. These men have completely ruined America. It's so depressing, my business!' Yet he seems chipper. 'No, I'm not chipper. I don't know how to put where I am... I don't take it that seriously. I've been there: up, down, back up. I do a lotta speeches, I make a lotta money, I proselytise.' Does he like making money? 'Are you kidding? I do!'
After we finish breakfast, he takes me to the office. He is eager to put off the moment when he must get on with his Syria piece. The more time he wastes with me... well, the morning will soon be over. Inside he points out a few choice interior-design details - the Pulitzer (it nestles among dozens of other awards), the framed memo from Lawrence Eagleburger and Robert McCloskey to Henry Kissinger, their boss at the State Department, which is dated 24 September 1974, and reads: 'We believe Seymour Hersh intends to publish further allegations on the CIA in Chile. He will not put an end to this campaign. You are his ultimate target.' Then he roots around in a cairn of paper for a while - quite a long while - eventually producing a proof of one of his articles with Remnick's editing marks on it. I've never seen anything so harsh in my life. Practically every other sentence has been ruthlessly disembowelled. 'Yeah, pretty tough, huh?' He also shows me one of his own memos to a contact. It makes reference to the current administration. 'These guys are hard-wired and drinking the Kool-Aid,' it says, deadpan. He laughs. He's getting cheerier by the minute. Soon it will be time for lunch! Now he puts his feet on the desk, removes one training shoe and jauntily waves the sweaty sole of a white sock at me. A couple of calls come in. He is concise bordering on cryptic. Finally an old Times colleague arrives. 'I knew this guy when he had hair!' Hersh shouts as this fellow and I pass in a small area of floorspace not yet covered by books or papers. I'm leaving, but Hersh doesn't get up and he doesn't say goodbye. A breezy salute - and then his eyes fall ravenously on his pal.
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Show AllWow! This is a really good read by Rachel Cooke. I especially enjoyed the flavor of her writing. Seymour Hersh is one of the great investigative journalists of our times. The world could benefit from more like him.
Not always right, but often enough and with stuff that is important enough to make him a great American.
And he hates the neo-cons and is rooting for Obama. Naturally.
If the Republicans think Hersh is the closest thing to a terrorist, then all Americans should all be terrorists.
I'll be watching closely for Seymour Hersh's revelations come January 09.
Just finished reading Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine". She made several references to why rebuilding New Orleans was designed to put money in the hands of private corporations and not in the hands of the people who's homes were destroyed. I agree with Mr. Hersh that this administration has systematically tried to destroy our form of government.
I found it rather interesting that within a month after Katrina the CASINOS in New Orleans were up and running.
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...I agree with Mr. Hersh that this administration has systematically tried to destroy our form of government.
Tried? I think they have succeeded and taken our nation and much of the world with them.
I (heart) Seymour Hersch.
If the government stopped trying to be opaque they would have less people willing to misbehave, less conspiracy theories, less to hide, less inaccurate stories and much less reason for people to play gotcha politics.
Everyday I wonder what would have happened if that pretzel would have killed Bu$h the inferior. Shotgun Dick without cover would have been different and we might have had Sarah Palin as VP.
I know that if we do not prosecute the criminals in this administration the new crop of minor functionaries will be back to screw us again. Proper punishment left undone in the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush the elder administrations left us with many like Rummy, Shotgun Dick, Colin Powell with experience and 'clean' resumes.
I think that you are right. Seymour Hirsch aside (how can one not respect him), I think that people will carry their sense of injustice with them allof their lives if we do nothing to Bush et al.
My kind of "American Hero".
A true leader of people and when more people follow his example----then the USA just might become a true "World Leader".
Thank you Rachel Cooke for a very professional presentation.
Retired Teacher I was fortunate enough to hear Sy Hersch when he spoke at a midwestern university. Judging by usual standards, he is a terrible public speaker but his sincerity and knowledge and cutting edge commentary were exemplary. Like his articles, his speech just made the listener or reader work a little harder to absorb his message. He does not speak or write in sound bites.
He and the late Molly Ivins are the journalists I most respect....may we have more like them in the future.
Hear, hear!! Two that write from the heart and can't stand BS. Boy, I miss Molly!
Thank goodness for Seymour Hersh. I only wish he were more prolific like Izzy Stone.
You have to wonder why they haven't assassinated him yet.
well, up until now, no-one really knew what he looked like, or where he hangs out. c.d. has just blown his cover.................
Hersh has something far too many journalists lack. Courage. The integrity to tell the truth no matter where it lands. He’s not trying to climb the corporate ladder of success. He’s not auditioning for a spot on the even news. He’s doing his job. It’s not his fault if people don’t get a chance to hear or read him. It’s by design that he is marginalized and excluded or diluted from mainstream discourse.
Hoa binh
it's not the "heroes in blue", or "our boys defending our country" that create hope that swine like Nixon, Bush, Cheney et al will be dragged before a court and judged by their constituents.
It's men like Hersh who have balls enough to dig for the information and try to wake up the Lemmings that sleep in this country. Left to the drones comprising the bulk of the sheeple in this cesspool, the standard results can be summed up with peckerwoods like;
Ollie North, (Iran/Contra), no prison time for Ollie, he's set for life and doing talk shows.
John McCain, His old man helped hide the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, (76+/- murdered and +/- 175 shot to hell), "hero" Johnny crashed, I believe, 2 aircraft before the one he was shot out of, signs 38 statements for Hanoi and (some say), revealed flight paths that caused some of his fellow fliers to be shot down. Has anyone checked the veracity of the reports that the KGB, who used to supervise and translate interrogations, reported he spent much of his "imprisonment" in a hotel room?
His "punishment" was a younger, richer spouse, a senate seat and a shot at ruling this "ship of fools".
Seymore Hersch cultivates relationships and in that cultivation provides the opportunity for those souls too bullied by or enchanted with the perrogatives of power but still possessing some semblance of a conscience, to come clean. Hersch really does protect his sources and they, in turn, cover his back side. Hersch is also patient and willing to work on something for a decade if that is what it takes to nail down the story.
The proof of his effectiveness is that the harshest criticism his advasaries can hurl against him is about his personality or that he is a "menace". If history is an attempt to control the future and present by selectively interpreting the past, then future historians will owe a debt of gratitude to Hersch for blazing an alternative and verifiable trail to the many lies of the elites and powerful to mess with the collective mind of the rest of us.
Poet
Thank you, Seymour Hersh, for your wisdom, courage, and commitment; a continual source of information and inspiration!
Well I was going to say something like this, so I'll just say ditto and add that "Myron" is heroic because he would never make a charge or use information that he hadn't confirmed the truth of, by more than one source. Unlike many today.
This is a man that truly helped close the Viet Nam war, God bless him.
God preserve Seymour Hersch. We seem to be bereft of honest journalists, he being the exception. Yet...so seldom do I hear him quoted by the talking heads, regardless of their efforts for "the truth". Why is that? Rachel Cooke is to be commended for her interview. And, yes, we all miss Molly!
The Obama campaign, or the Democratic party, should buy an hour of air time and turn it over to Hersh. Nothing would do them more good.
Alex
The truth is: Fox News is the closest thing America has to a terrorist, journalist network and they should be called what they are a terrorist,information network! They are the Madame of the whore MSM!
George C. Brown - I would have to heartily agree with Rachel Cooke. The only thing I wish Seymour Hersh would take on and investigate thoroughly are the 9/11 attacks; there are too many errors and omissions in the "Official 9/11 Report" to be passed over without a GOOD investigation, and Seymour is just the kind of journalist to whom some venue of officialdom might pay attention and appoint a neutral, non-partisan investigative committee with subpoena power to hold public hearings with sworn testimony.
It's noteworthy that Sy Hersh looked into the 9/11 conspiracy allegations and decided it was baloney: America's foremost investigative reporter thinks it's not worth 2 cents.
He certainly has no "bias" to protect the Bush administration whose players and politics he hates with a vengeance.
He also clearly has the skills to assess evidence like few others do.
The same, btw, applies to giants like Noam Chomsky and Tariq Ali.
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If Hersh looked into the 9/11 Commission report or simply into the 9/11 "conspiracy allegations" and found nothing to question he's made a HUGE mistake and/or is hiding something for his masters.
It's noteworthy in exactly the same way that it's noteworthy that I.F. Stone publicly endorsed the Warren Commission and its pre-ordained, prefabricated conclusions, and would simply erupt in fury when confronted by this odd and untypical credulousness-- e.g., when a reporter contacted Stone with information that contradicted the obviously phony "lone nut" story, Stone simply yelled, "I don't want to hear about that asshole case!"
And despite the fact that the US corporate media's handling of the JFK assassination richly illustrated the principles set forth in "Manufacturing Consent", Chomsky also essentially accepted the Official Story of the JFK assassination, or at least refused to acknowledge the considerable evidence that the Warren Commission was clearly a put-up job, and that there was much more to the story than met the eye.
Even muckrakers have limits beyond which they will, for whatever reason, not willingly go.
Death threats will shut up the best of them. Better to live to fight another day. I'm not saying there were death threats against either Hersh or Stone, but in the USA I would not be surprised.
-- EKATON --
It's not that people are "unwilling to go there" with "Bush did it" theories of 9-11.
It's that the theories make huge, massive leaps of logic. I know, I know- If I ony opened my minds and watched this one DVD... I've done the research, and I don't think Bush did it. People like Chomsky and Hersh have spend their careers going where others won't go. They just don't believe the theories. It's not "unwillingness". It's "improbability."
So many debunkers say, "I have done the research.", when they obviously have not.
...and one more thing. At one point, Chomsky's response to 911 truth questions was basically, "So what?", similar to a response of his to the JFK assassination. In my opinion, this is a REALLY BIG "SO WHAT", and raises a big red flag as to Chomsky's motivations and reasoning.
I agree, Bayani and Little Brother. Kudos to Hersh, but all that I can say on his opinions of 911 is that he may have "peered" into the matter, but certainly could not have looked into it in any critical, investigative sense.
I remember not too long ago when Hersh got attention for revealing Cheney's idea for painting up PT boats to appear as Iranian vessels, manned by Navy Seals, to fire on U.S. ships in the Strait of Hormusz. Hersh mentioned that there were several scenarios discussed at Cheney's planning session. Hersh failed to reveal what these alternate schemes were. I, for one, would be interested in knowing.
Why is it such a leap to make from a False Flag plan to start war with Iran to the False Flag event of 911 to invade the Middle East and institute fascism in the Homeland??
It is little known that Hersh's record includes the exposure of ARAMCO in his 1979(!)article in the New York Times "Saudi Oil Capacity Questioned" in which he claimed that ARAMCO had systematically overproduced the Saudi oilfields because the senior managers of Chevron, Texaco, Mobil, and Exxon feared that nationalization was imminent hence they wanted to extract as much oil as possible from the fields before that was going to happen. His report was dismissed by the experts as nonsense but today we know that he was correct. The Saudi fields are over the top and on their way to extinction because of the irresponsible overproduction that Hersh revealed.
Sioux Rose
QUARK: Don't forget Hersch is 71. Chomsky is up there, too. I mention this because I think every person, and probably every generation, has a bona fide blind spot. These men have their version of patriotism operating, and like a mature laywer from Berkeley who I met while touring in Malaysia, he went ballistic on me when I said 911 was an INSIDE job. I just think they consciousness cannot take in the magnitude of what that means. Even though these bogus "leaders" show a capability of wiping out enormous numbers of people, somehow the carnage shifts credibility when it operates on the home-front side of the team line (to them). I really think it has to do with their vintage and prior programming. I'm in my early 50's and the oldest man I ever dated, an attorney, is about 12 years older than I am. His sexism was so subtle and yet so overt and he was clueless about it. It made me think there is a qualitative spiritual difference (in perception) between those born before WWII ended and those born after. 1946, the year of Clinton and a notable number of very charismatic Hollywood luminaries (although unfortunately, Bush, as well), seems to have drawn in a lot of powerful souls who really wanted to make a difference when the great war ended. I believe the atmosphere was infused with the positive energy resonant with Churchill's words, "Never to go to war, again..." So many changes came about as this generation played a significant role in equalizing women's rights, Black power/rights, the ecology movement, the gay movement, etc. It was a splash of spirituality that like a contagious Renaissance sent out cognitive seeds. For the past 25-30 years as the "more is better/the material plane is all" conservative crowd got their mileage out of the global equation, this spiritual movement went underground. It will emerge again... possibly as THE GREAT TURNING and/or ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE.
Sioux Rose...Do you think it may be quite entirely possible that these fellows who publicly say that 9/11 is out of bounds actually have a lot of knowledge that they know is simply not the right time (for whatever reason) to subject their 'truths' to the public? However, I think enough people already do not believe the 'official' story that it would not come as a surprize to finally have the truth exposed. P.S Your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Free mp3 format lecture from Sy Hersh; the annual Amnesty International/Trinity College lecture.
Speech entitled: "A Report From Washington: US intentions for Iran and the Middle East"
http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/25232
As long as Mr. Hersh keeps writing I will keep reading... He is one of the very few voices in the MSM that speak truth to power. If someone is offering a lot of money to chair more like Mr. Hersh I say 'bring um on.'
Most 9-11 conspiracy theories are baloney, but I wish Mr. Hersh could inquire of the upper management of FEMA about a secret program of theirs called “Godzilla” that I inadvertently discovered five years ago. It might be the scoop of the century.
I would like for you to expound on which 9-11 theories are NOT baloney, in your opinion. 911 was absolutely and inside job. And DHS and FEMA are our Gestapo.
Mr. Hersh with his sensational stories is working for the fed gov. Notice he doesn't write about the murder carried out daily by the epa (40% of people worldwide die due pollution), fda (food born illness and pharmaceuticals), consumer product safety board (lead painted toys for toddlers), plutonium laden tobacco industry subsidized by congress, malaria curable food grade h2o2 (6 million children dead per year)... We only hear from him when the pentagon wants Americans to know how sadistic our soldiers are in doing what they feel they need to, to survive, when they've been daily shot at for years...
Notice Hersh never bothers to tie the events with their historical precedent.
If he knew too much he'd have been daily attemptedly murdered for decades...
He's a tool whose angle is the same as Jeremiah Wright "Goddam America", so get ready for what's coming to you. Notice he lists the disinformation that the tone down in violence came by Iraqis murdering Iraqis before he states the reality of the matter which is that Bush started issuing paychecks to Sunni militia members. Those "in the know" reading this would have recognized his disinfo easily, which is why he told of the reality, but then did so in terms that would leave the unknowing confused, "awakening", he spoke so confusingly the journalist felt it necessary to expound on what he said in brackets.
Hersh is just like Nader, coddled by the money dominant and corrupt as could be.
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Daniel Vincent Kelley
In this excellent profile, right after Sy Hersh talks about all of the inside sources who have told him to check back after January 20th for the real scoop on the inner skullduggery of the Bush era, Hersh is quoted saying "They've got away with it, categorically; anybody who talks about prosecuting Bush and Cheney [for war crimes] is kidding themselves."
Tragically, Seymour Hersh is absolutely correct about this - in terms of criminal prosecution under the laws of the United States.
By statute, the Congress expressly authorized the war of aggression in Iraq, Congress specifically granted immunity for those running the detainee torture and rendition system, and Congress immunized the telecoms and everybody else who participated in the NSA's patently illegal domestic electronic monitoring of American citizens on American soil. For much the same reason, impeaching Bush and Cheney for war crimes, or for violating the federal anti-torture and felony FISA statutes, always faced an immense comparable legal hurdle: if the House and Senate both okay it, and the President signs the legislation into law, then it's simply not a crime anymore.
Sorry, folks. Those are the rules.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Alberto Gonzales, and others do have to be wary of international travel after leaving office however, courtesy of the Pinochet precedent. But that's an issue of charges brought in an international forum under international law. Regrettably, it appears Bush and Cheney have indeed gotten away with the worst of their crimes, in terms of their official actions that spread death and suffering to hundreds of thousands of people around the world and which made toilet paper out of our Bill of Rights.
For those of us who still want some post-2008 election accountability for the junta's eight years of past chicanery, I suggest that the new Congress set up a couple of major investigative Committees with subpoena and immunity powers.
One should look into Iraq war profiteering (like the Truman Commissiion did during WWII). The other should focus on the white collar criminals who created the great meltdown/bailout fiasco. Both Committees could provide legal cover for Seymour Hersh's wannabe whistleblower sources. Both Committees should have as their primary goals (1) forcing the wrongdoers to disgorge their ill gotten gains, and (2)drafting new federal legislation to prohibit any future looting of the public treasury upon such grandiose a scale.
If the Congressional investigation process also unearths ordinary, old fashioned financial corruption for personal gain that is criminally prosecutable (which I think is very likely), then let the indictments fall where they may.
Oh, and don't forget that a freshly sworn in President Obama can demand that all of the super-classified stuff Bush withheld from Congress and from the 911 Commission is to be delivered to his desk in the Oval Office on the first business day of next week, if the spirit moves him.....
Siouxrose -
As a fellow 1946er, I'm intrigued with your notion that there's something unique about those "powerful souls who wanted to make a difference in the world" who were born in the immediate aftermath of World War II. You attribute it to positive energy resonating in the atmosphere, and I certainly won't dispute your cosmic perceptions. I think it may be something more secular and mundane however.
Post-Hiroshima babies were reared and socialized by parents who held a terrifying awareness that the human race could be exterminated in a single afternoon in a sudden nuclear holocaust. These "greatest generation" parents instilled fear of that prospect, and an appreciation of the fragility of human life, in their children. Even much pop culture in the 50's and early 60's often openly proselytized humankind's need to recoil away from the evils of armed conflict, make creative use of international law, beat our swords into plowshares, and study war no more (before it was too late).
Sure, the Pentagon budget soared while the nukes proliferated. But overt sabre rattling was seen as reckless and boorish - the sort of shit that evil bastards like Hitler and Tojo once did - and people who spoke out against the horrors of war were respected, and certainly were not marginalized, in ordinary public policy discourse.
Like so much else in American society, these youthful values ran into the bloodstained brick wall of the Vietnam war.
John Kennedy, for instance, spoke openly on the campaign trail and in his inaugural address about abolishing war. But that was back then. American politicians simply don't talk like that in public any more. Now, George W. Bush and John McCain each frequently refer to the current GWOT military quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan as "The first war of the 21st Century", as if the second and third and fourth wars - arriving soon at a theatre near you - were an inevitability.
Praying for peace is no longer patriotic. Talk about arms control and human rights is only for wimps.
The part of the American national dialogue that has been effectively banished from the public square during the last couple decades was righteous distaste for war and fear of its cataclysmic consequences - values that my mommy and daddy raised me to embrace and to believe in at a very early age.
Bill from Saginaw