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Obama the Adult Versus McCain's Economic Easter Bunny
HEMPSTEAD, New York - Debating on a night when global markets were tanking, Barack Obama and John McCain engaged in an edgy debate about "spreading the wealth," "class warfare" and creating an economy that benefits "Joe the Plumber" more than "Ivan the Investment Banker."
Most striking in the debate was the contrast of the two candidates side by side. US Republican presidential nominee Senator John McCain (R-AZ) reacts to almost heading the wrong way off the stage after shaking hands with Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) at the conclusion of the final presidential debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, October 15, 2008. (REUTERS/Jim Bourg) But while McCain clung to the failed fantasies of the past, Obama
offered America a community rarely served up on the presidential debate
stages of recent campaigns: realism.
Though they differed, at times viscerally, both men were struggling to occupy a populist high ground that suddenly appears far more attractive than the valleys of Wall Street.
The Republican kicked things off by declaring, "Americans are hurting right now, and they're angry. They're hurting, and they're angry. They're innocent victims of greed and excess on Wall Street and as well as Washington, D.C. And they're angry, and they have every reason to be angry."
The Democrat echoed the theme. "I think everybody understands at this point that we are experiencing the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. And the financial rescue plan that Sen. McCain and I supported is an important first step. And I pushed for some core principles: making sure that taxpayer can get their money back if they're putting money up. Making sure that CEOs are not enriching themselves through this process," explained Obama. "And I think that it's going to take some time to work itself out. But what we haven't yet seen is a rescue package for the middle class. Because the fundamentals of the economy were weak even before this latest crisis."
Not since 1912, when Democrat Woodrow Wilson, Progressive Teddy Roosevelt and even Republican William Howard Taft all tried to steal some of the thunder of Socialist Eugene Victor Debs have major-party presidential candidates scrambled so furiously to sound populist themes on the cusp of a definitional election.
But behind, beneath and beside the rhetorical flourishes were the evidences of a fundamental difference in approach.
McCain clung to the fading vision of Reaganomics as seen through the lens of George Bush, defaulting again and again to a lexicon of tax cuts for the richest, empty promises of trickle-down prosperity, fantasies of spending freezes and the certainty of deeper deficits and greater dysfunction in a federal government.
For McCain, ultimately, it was all about those tax cuts -- for plumber Joe Wurzelbacher in Ohio who wants to start a small business and, though he did not mention it, for corporations that earn more in a quarter than the GDPs of more than a few sovereign nations.
"The whole premise behind Sen. Obama's plans are class warfare, let's spread the wealth around. I want small businesses -- and by the way, the small businesses that we're talking about would receive an increase in their taxes right now," growled McCain. "Who -- why would you want to increase anybody's taxes right now?"
Obama chose to respond as an adult.
"I want to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans. Now, it is true that my friend and supporter, Warren Buffett, for example, could afford to pay a little more in taxes... in order to give additional tax cuts to Joe the plumber before he was at the point where he could make $250,000," the Democrat began.
"Then," he continued, "Exxon Mobil, which made $12 billion, record profits, over the last several quarters, they can afford to pay a little more so that ordinary families who are hurting out there -- they're trying to figure out how they're going to afford food, how they're going to save for their kids' college education, they need a break.
"So, look, nobody likes taxes. I would prefer that none of us had to pay taxes, including myself. But ultimately, we've got to pay for the core investments that make this economy strong and somebody's got to do it."
McCain sputtered back: "Nobody likes taxes. Let's not raise anybody's taxes. OK?"
"Well," Obama replied. "I don't mind paying a little more."
In less serious times, that might have been a risky statement.
But Obama was no Walter Mondale apologizing for addressing fiscal realities.
The Democrat did make a class distinction, and in so doing he made the connection that more apologetic Democrats had failed to find in past campaigns.
"I think tax policy is a major difference between Sen. McCain and myself. And we both want to cut taxes, the difference is who we want to cut taxes for," explained the senator from Illinois.
"Now, Sen. McCain, the centerpiece of his economic proposal is to provide $200 billion in additional tax breaks to some of the wealthiest corporations in America. Exxon Mobil, and other oil companies, for example, would get an additional $4 billion in tax breaks," Obama continued. "What I've said is I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent. If you make... less than a quarter million dollars a year, then you will not see your income tax go up, your capital gains tax go up, your payroll tax. Not one dime. And 95 percent of working families, 95 percent of you out there, will get a tax cut. In fact, independent studies have looked at our respective plans and have concluded that I provide three times the amount of tax relief to middle-class families than Sen. McCain does."
The candidates displayed differences on issues that really do matter -- and, of course, on issues that didn't matter.
Obama and McCain were steered, briefly, into an empty "tone-of-the-campaign" debate by moderator Bob Schieffer.
McCain initially eschewed Schieffer's invitation to mouth the William Ayers-ACORN-appeasement blather that has been such a staple of his campaign in recent weeks. Instead, McCain accused Obama of spending "unprecedented amounts of money on negative ads about me." Obama reminded McCain that "100 percent of your ads are negative."
Finally, after a torturous back-and-forth about "hurt feelings," McCain dropped the bomb but missed the target. So the candidates wasted a few minutes on a sixties-radical-turned-college-professor named Ayers and a community-organization named ACORN.
But it was such a deviation that even McCain veered out of a convoluted riff on Ayers -- "it's not the fact that Sen. Obama chooses to associate with a guy who in 2001 said that he wished he had have bombed more, and he had a long association with him. It's the fact that... all of the details need to be known about Sen. Obama's relationship with them and with ACORN and the American people will make a judgment" -- to essentially acknowledge the absurdity of the discussion.
"And my campaign is about getting this economy back on track, about creating jobs, about a brighter future for America," McCain suddenly declared, pulling the brakes on the associated-with-terrorists talk. "And that's what my campaign is about and I'm not going to raise taxes the way Sen. Obama wants to raise taxes in a tough economy. And that's really what this campaign is going to be about.
The debate was back on the economic track -- and headed in a direction that allowed Obama to be the adult.
As the candidates sparred over health care, education, funding for programs for children with special needs and a host of other essential issues, the Democrat kept steering the discussion toward reality.
Both candidates talked about what they wanted to do.
While McCain imagined a world of tax cuts and free money, Obama allowed as how the economic Easter Bunny that Reagan and Bush promised was just around the corner might not be coming.
When McCain hailed his vice president running-mate's commitment to helping children with special needs and promised to help them, Obama responded, "I think it's very commendable the work she's done on behalf of special needs. I agree with that, John."
But, he added, "I do want to just point out that (children with) autism, for example, or other special needs will require some additional funding, if we're going to get serious in terms of research. That is something that every family that advocates on behalf of disabled children talk about. And if we have an across-the-board spending freeze, we're not going to be able to do it. That's an example of, I think, the kind of use of the scalpel that we want to make sure that we're funding some of those programs."
McCain offered America an old fantasy now discredited.
Obama offered America the promise of realism and a warning that, "(The) biggest risk we could take right now is to adopt the same failed policies and the same failed politics that we've seen over the last eight years and somehow expect a different result."
That was not the happy talk of the past.
But these are not happy times.
For those who want to wait around for the Easter Bunny, McCain made the proper appeal.
For those who figure it's time to get real, Obama was the only serious candidate on the stage.
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119 Comments so far
Show AllThere is only one viable candidate that will rid us of the slavery of corporate America.......... Nader!............ McCain and Obama will CONTINUE the rule of this government and its people by CORPORATIONS. They have both accepted large donations from corporate America and will be in debt to their masters. The same lies told since the beginning of this republic are being repeated. WAKE UP AMERICA! Get away from the box and WAKE THE HELL UP!
Nader can barely get on the ballot! You wake up! Unless you want to start a revolution, there is no hope for Nader. Are you calling for a revolution? Cuz then I might take you seriously.
Having said this, I too love Nader.
Yes I am calling for a revolution, of sorts.
Everyone vote for whom they REALLY "LOVE", who they really trust, whom they know is right. W@here could we be. folks?
Then, we will not need a revolution.
JFK--Those who would stop peaceful revoltuions, make violentn revolution inevitable.
I'm sure it is the sentiment taht counts. Also, in choosing whom to trust.
"There is only one viable candidate that will rid us of the slavery of corporate America".......... Nader!...(Bayani October 16th, 2008 10:23 am)
Perhaps if he had a ghost of a chance of winning this election but the fact is he does not. I said this far too many times and you are most likely getting sick of reading this; The next President will be Barach Obama or John McCain. They are the choices you have. No one else. Vote anyway you wish but one of these Senators will be the 44th President of the United States of America.
Build your third party from the bottom up and sometime in the future you may have a "viable candidate" in a Presidential election. Dream candidates without a strong organization running for the highest office in the land will get you no where.
I have also said this many times. I have a lot of respect for Mr.Nader. But....reality is reality.
I was disappointed that Obama did not correct McHoover's allegation that Fannie and Freddie caused the subprime loan debacle. All of the economic problems the WORLD is now facing (including subprime loans) are the direct result of three decades of deregulation and Obama needs to be sure that every speech he delivers and every debate he engages in between now and Nov. 4 hammers that point home.
His failure to address deregulation at that crucial point in the debate may cost his campaign dearly.
Revisionist history is the neocon noise machine's forte and the machine is rapidly making headway in pinning the blame for current economic problems on Democratic Party policies that improved lower income and minority populations' access to credit. The Republican base has already embraced this BS and the swing voters may embrace it before November 4, thereby throwing the election to McHoover.
So that's what a lurching maverick looks like!!
"For those who figure it's time to get real, Obama was the only serious candidate on the stage."
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I'm sure Nichols writes lines like this just to get people like me started.
As with Norman Solomon and spokespersons from "The Nation" (not to mention "Common Dreams"), for Nichols this is truly the bottom line.
We the People are stuck with still another mismatched pair of mirages, so we might as well head for the one with the palm trees. It's bound to be a better place to dig for water!
Despite all of the flailing attacks against opponents of the duopoly here-- we're negative, pessimistic, purists, wingnut moles, etc.-- the propensity for Nichols and his ilk to confidently throw out phrases like "get real" is the most deeply and poisonously cynical attitude imaginable.
You're right on the mark, LittleBrother. One of the greatest evils of our time is this cynical, frightened, Lesser-Evilism that these timid liberals always urge progressives to adopt, misnaming it "realism."
Neo-liberalism, for the well off.
Anyone going on that The Nation cruise you keep getting email about? Jeeez hehehe.
Friking upper class liberal well-intentioned blues--we feel your pain.
No you dont, But, if the people have anythibng to say about it, you will. So far, we keep bailing you out of you investments. What if we just did not?
The Nation is a HUGE disappointment, after all these years.
I get The Nation as a gift. Anyone have any suggestions for another mag I can ask for this year?
I cancelled my subscription years ago because they support the Democratic Party.
The rabid McCain in typical Reagan revolutionary style salivating and groping in frankenstein stiffness as the audience recoils in horror saying, "he's alive!"
Little Brother is right. Both these candidates are feeding us a line of crap. I no more believe that Obama will reduce taxes for 95% of us than I believe in McCain's nonsense. Nichols and the other liberal apologists for the 2 party corporate dictatorship should be ashamed of themselves, but evidently they are as shameless about their vices as Sarah Palin is.
Little Brother is right, I wouldn't believe a single word that came out either McCain's or Obama's mouth. Worthless campaign rhetoric.
I will not be voting for any candidate who expands the size of the military, refuses to declare war on the corporate-welfare military budget and commits to continuing the "war on terror." Terrorism is very real; the solution to it is not militarism.
I will not be voting for any candidate who doesn't spend more of the federal budget on the global warming crisis than they spend on military appropriations.
I will not be voting for any candidate who doesn't clearly articulate their opposition to materialism and the abuses of the corporate state.
I will not be voting for any candidate who doesn't have a real plan to drastically reduce health care costs.
I will not be voting for any candidate who panders for votes in the "center".
I will not be voting for any candidate who does not recognize the US as a corporate-driven, greed driven, profits driven empire.
I will not be voting for any candidate who participated in debates while members of their own party were not permitted to participate. Also, I will not be voting for any candidate of any party who squelches the voices of legitimate third party candidates by participating in the two-party-controlled national debates.
How many times can a man turn his head and pretend that he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind.............RZ
Bravo! I agree 100%!
I'm ashamed of progressives who even consider voting for Obama or McCain. It's time for us to work together and say "NO!" to the corporate media, the corporate controlled major parties, and to the failed imperialist policies of both parties & their candidates.
I think progressively but I am ashamed of calling myself by a label.
I agree that the Dems are utterly supine and pathetic. It's as if Rove personally recruited these glass-jawed standins for the Left to throw the fight.
I voted for Nader in 2000 and don't feel that I owe anyone an apology for it, though I won't be doing so this November.
The problem with third parties like the Greens is that they have made strategic errors and pissed off would-be supporters. They concentrate their resources on national elections, even running candidates against progressive Democrats, rather than work to build up unknowns from the local level.
In good ol' Amurrica, a sizeable percentage of the electorate votes along hereditary lines. Daddy was Republican, so that's how I vote, etc. In some places, the most radical thing one can say is, "I'm a Democrat". But there is also something like a 95% incumbency rate in Congress, despite Congress' Bush-like approval ratings. Everybody hates Congress but they love their Congressman. In my congressional district in Oregon, conservative evangelicals vote for Peter Defazio, a bona fide progressive in most respects. The same was true with regard to Sen. Paul Wellstone.
See where I'm going? Incumbents get votes from people who don't share their ideology, and it's probable that those who defect from their political party can still get re-elected if they call themselves anything short of a Communist or a Nazi.
If there is going to be a third party that exerts a leftward pull on the Dems, it needs to acknowledge this reality and work to siphon off disgruntled progressive incumbents from the Democratic party. And one way to help that cause is to stop undermining them by running candidates against them in elections. (Please note that I don't consider Pelosi a progressive and hope that Cindy Sheehan holds her accountable for her failure to challenge Bush as Speaker.) It makes more sense to concentrate on local elections for now and run candidates with good reputations and name-recognition against Blue Dog Dems and races where Republicans run unopposed.
Once progressives get their foot in the door, they can caucus with the Dems, force them to govern by coalition, and threaten to undermine the Dems' majority in the House and Senate should they sell progressives out on critical issues.
If we don't revise our strategy, this country will be governed by the corporate center-right for the foreseeable future. Voting for a third party candidate will continue to be a meaningless exercise in political self-righteousness rather than an effective means of changing this country for the better.
How about, dont vote for anyone that cannot win, but I'm voting for Sheehan.
Dont waste your vote by voting your pricnciples--but I can.
Obamas is center right.
My parents were GOP--I detest Turner and Voinovich. Well, Turner alot more.
This post should not be ignored.
It is always good to have one's argument "flipped", it is, like editing by scanning backward, sometimes the only way to see flaws.
I think that's what ~BenfromEugene~ is doing here.
It may be time to admit that part of the problem with the third-party movement today is that its standard-bearers for the last 8-12 years -the Greens and Nader- have rather bungled the job.
The quixotic battle to get that crucial percentage of a presidential vote that would land the party Matching Money was misguided, and distracted from the real grunt work of Municipal, State, and District organizing.
Remember the "vote for ficus" campaign? That whole "don't just vote, RUN!" attitude of the time? I ran for City Council in my little city. Campaigned exclusively at my three most favorite bars, spent no money, and ate a $300 fine for refusing to turnover my income information as a classist violation of my privacy rights. Got 491 votes (not including myself) but forced a primary. In which I like to believe my Kropotkin-meets-Jefferson-meets-Chief Seattle position that I was signifying at the time allowed the Kucinch-voter-type-Dem to find a "safe middle for sissies" in a classic liberal-progressive stance and still roundly defeat the Used-car-salesman-GOP-type in the general Election.
Why do I relate this?
Partly to give all of us progressives a nice, warm-fuzzy memory of that time before everything turned into demoralized internal bickering. Before the "third-party people" amognst us became the whipping boy for all the crimes of the seemingly untouchable Bushites. That time of 17,000 person fundraising rallies in sports arenas. That time where Ralph Nader, the Greens, and Michael Moore, worked TOGETHER for a better tomorrow.
But also to pose this question:
How much have we lost in the last 8 years? What if instead of throwing so much energy into Presidential Elections, Global issues, and protest (Re)actions, we had done the Local and State work of building a movement and a Party? What if we hadn't spent so much time destroying ourselves with absolutist dogmas and organizational laziness?
Where would things be now?
I'm as much to blame as anyone else. I could have run a serious campaign instead of a stoned drunk one. I could have followed up somehow. I'm not playing the blame game here. I just want to remember where we WERE when I look at where we ARE.
The progressive movement, the peace movement, the social and economic justice movements, have long known they should be allies, but they are refusing to face the true dimensions of the Struggle before them. Its been way too long a'coming and it needs to come NOW.
The People are not the Enemy. They are for or against what they are presented with, just like all of us do. Many vote or argue largely in ignorance, many others vote or argue cynically, apathetically, even nihilistically. Only a very small few actually vote from a Corporatist, Oligarchist, or Fascistic attitude. A third -quite wisely- choose not to participate in a system that doesn't include them, or their best interests, in the realm of the Possible.
Our question is not "How can we get enough money to use TV to trick them into thinking like us?" or "What sort of B.S. can we use to hose the masses like the Nut-case Right does? but "How can we reach them?"
Their interests are our goals, yet they are not with us. Yes outside pressures had a lot to do with this. But part of it must be -As ~BenfromEugene~ suggets- must be due to the failure to choose the right strategy and right path.
When we were harping on our neighbors to vote Nader-then-Kucinich-then-Nader again (and then suddenly Kerry and now even Obama) we could have been telling them about our OWN campaign for County Commissioner.
When we were advocating elitist-liberal-arts-college "consensus decision-making" we could have been singing the praises of the Traditional Democratic Institutions of the Town Council, Co-operative, Union, or Grange Hall.
When we were castigating the Founders for being so un-P.C. to as have actually been Typical Land-Owning Men of their Times we could have been reminding folks of how stagnant their Revolution has become -and why.
In short, when we we "Thinking Globally and Acting Locally" we could have Acted in ways were relevant and USEFUL Locally, and Thought about a Globe that included the place where we live.
Like I said, this ain't the blame game here. But I think as we look now on where we are -on the brink of Constitutional and Economic Collapse and still the Corporatists can get away with presenting Bill Clinton's black cousin dressed in Ronnie Reagan's suit as our "left choice"- we need to at last realize our great mistake, and begin to course correct.
What way can your BLOCK progress toward a sustainable, just, peaceful, healthier, more creative, and more enjoyable Global future? Or you circle of friends, or your extended family, or your church? THEN how can your neighborhood, your town, your borrough, your city, your county, your State, do the same? And THEN your Nation and your Region and your World.
A sustainable future will require to adherence to natural principles. In nature evolution begins with pressure causing many different adaptations in different areas. The various forms then interact and form new systems of organization.
To first concieve of an Ideal Form and then attempt to impose it on nature is to act like the God of Abraham -and we are not up to that challenge. The power to coerce that must be employed to make such Ideal Forms temporarily viable with little change is a violation of natural laws and dooms such endeavors to failure.
If you have read this far I hope this is helpful.
Don't Panic,
-matti.
I read the entire thing. I agree with much of it, but I am not sure what you are suggesting.
I read it because it was non-judgemental, and didnt start out with "HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FUCKING MIND!! IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT!"
THAT , will get you absolutely nowhere.
I wil think on this some. Thanks.
Great post matti ... i cannot help but agree with you totally.
Well said, Welsh. I'm with you. Cynthia McKinney for President!
Isn't that Obama's strategy against terror? He wants to hone in on the bad guys and close the chapter of anti-terror occupations of whole nations. That never made sense to anyone with a brain in the first place.
Unless Obama will cave in, I believe he not only understands this, he will bring the troops home.
It doesn't matter, since the CIA will fix the elections so that McPalin will win or have Obama assassinated so that Biden can do Israel's Bidin' in Iran.
"Isn't that Obama's strategy against terror? He wants to hone in on the bad guys and close the chapter of anti-terror occupations of whole nations. That never made sense to anyone with a brain in the first place."
Mr. Obama has called for more military troops, i.e., he wants to expand the size of the military.
If, as you suggest, he supports closing "the chapter of anti-terror occupations of whole nations", one might reasonably ask why he needs more troops.
Has Obama called for the dismantling of the more than 760 US military bases overseas? Isn't that a form of occupation?
Now that the US is no longer in a "cold war" with the former Soviet Union, why hasn't Mr. Obama called for substantial cuts in weapons spending? Does he believe the US is likely to be attacked by another military power? Has he called for any cuts at all in weapons spending? Even one? Even a little tiny one?
And honing in on the bad guys? The Pakistani government is collapsing. Even Secretary Gates has acknowledged that the "war in Afghanistan" is going very badly. We don't need any more "honing." What we need is a change in America's role in the world.
End the imperialism. Mr. Obama doesn't address that. Do you think groups like Al Qaeda hate the US for no reason at all? I don't condone their methods. I'll never condone the killing of innocent civilians. That doesn't mean that their cause is not just.
They see the oppression of the Palestinian people. They see the imposition of US culture and values into their countries. They see tyrants being supported by the US military. They see the abuses of Exxon and Chevron and Shell. Their methods are immoral; their cause is just.
Does "honing" somehow address that?
Only caught the opening of it--Mccain sounded very angry.
But if Obama's response on special needs money is to focus on research and not care--then he is being a dreamer.
Very few fields waste money(and lives) like medical research. Too many researchers looking to make a career out of animal torture projects.
This week's headline: research says coffee is bad for you.
last week's headline: research says coffee may be good for you.
Survey a month of news articles and watch for the pro/con items. Apparently they have a medical breakthrough every other week-and it is tied into Wall Street stocks in addition to getting government grants.
Before voting be reminded that Obama and McHoover are both members of the best congress money can buy.
Is that photo for real? It says it all.
I will be the first to admit that Obama has been a disapointment, but I am more than willing to give him a chance. Considing the convergence of Corp-Gov-media consolidation he managed grace under fire from the most rabid dinosaurs now sinking in a tar pit of their own garbage.
Vern October 16th, 2008 11:20 am
Is that photo for real? It says it all.
Kinda looks like one of those pervy old men hankering after fresh boy...
Or, he realised that he's now trying to follow the better man and his inner barbarian slipped out and reminded him to turn around. I really hope it was photoshopped.
Vern, Obama is in, but not because of the little people but because the Big Business ruling class has made the choice for you. At least the Northern sector of Big Business is fed up with the Sunbelt gangsters this time around. They decided that such rampant corruption and obvious brutality of the Bush-Cheney-McCain Klan is counterproductive at this time. You're getting their candidate and not your own.
You won't get an argument from me. It could be much much worse, though and expecting a Left utopia to rise from the ashes is the mirror image of Friedman's disaster capitalism. Considering what is pitted against us, despite their present vulnerability, success would be getting a toe in the door, much less a foot.
Tell me something you latte-sipping liberals, do you want your taxes raised? Do you secretly hope the empire falls and for our troops to loose the war? We should support our president in a time of war, otherwise the terrorists will win. These colors don't run! This is a Christian nation and you intillectuals want to kill all our babies. Why do you hate America? What's wrong with off-shore drilling anyway? And why not go with more nookliar power and clean coal? Global warming is caused by the sun just getting hotter. Those scientists don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The bible says the world was created in 6 days. Not billions of years. And it was created 4000 years ago. Noah didn't put dinosores on the ark because they were sinners. And don't worry so much about pollution, Jesus is coming back to clean things up. Don't you ever go to church? What's Joe the plumber gonna do if that black man gets elected? I hear he hangs out with terrorists. And what about Joe six pack? Hows he gonna fill the tank on his four-by if he's paying taxes? Get yer own damn health inshurance! And quit reading that damn Commie Dreams, it's just the liberal media at it's worstest. Fox news is where it's at! And I'm with Sarah, you betcha: "drill baby, drill!" U S A ! U S A ! U S A ! And by the way, if you don't vote for John McCain you might miss the rapture. You don't wanna get Left Behind with all the rest of them damn latte-sipping greenies, do ya? You've been warned!
Naah, just kidding! Back to my latte...
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model which makes the existing model obsolete"
-R. Buckminster Fuller
You had me going for a minute there. Nice sarcasm.
I don't know if he ever said or wrote this or maybe it is simply obvious, but Buckminster Fuller seemed to understand that the built environment and transportation infrastructure deeply influences people view of society (or lack of) and their role in it. Looking at past US election results, and Tuesday's Canada election results for the Toronto area - where Tories won big in the outer suburbs, it seem the auto-centered, highly privatized suburban environment itself practically acts as an assembly line for selfish, almost sociopathic conservative viewpoints, while the city environment fosters a perspective of community and solidarity.
True. My dad was a prof. and serious disciple of Bucky's.
Thanks. It was fun and therapeutic. Scary that people actually think that way. That's why it seemed real. And they keep mentioning "clean coal". That's an oxymoron, like "military intelligence".
Great satire! It sounds like it was written in rural America. BTW, do you know what happens when you spin a country record backwards? You get your wife back, you get your truck back, and you stop drinking and gambling.
Bucky has it right. Build the new society from the ground up, and that means local, not Washington.
Sorry, we already have a Snow Wolf.
McCain looked like he was on crack. He seemed like an angry ol' patriarchal WASP last night.
It did seem like he expected the questions, and was able to keep Obama on the defensive. Yet Obama did a nice job of defending his stances.
I thought Obama could have nailed McCain a few times and chose to let him off easy.
McCane was one of those small yapping dogs lunging at your ankles, continuous, same old crap, whining . . . pathetic. Put the photo on the tomb of his election bid.
I caught the last 2/3 of the debate. I watched the c-span split-screen and at one point I worried that McCain's head might explode. His crooked smile/grimace with eyes blinking like a pair of warning lights had me leaning back from the screen.
Lol! That was my impression too. McCain does not do well under pressure. All his facial quirks, mock surprise, and denigrating expressions of disbelief, make him a lousy candidate for any sort of international diplomacy. The fact that every time he gets excited he stumbles over his own tongue, insures a dismal failure in any intense negotiation. I don't understand all this likeable stuff either. I find him repulsive and the sort of person I would scrupulously avoid being stuck in a room with - he only listens long enough to form his next retort!
What gets me most though, beyond his personal quirks and flailings, is the suggestion that having been shot down and held as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he now "knows how to win a war" let alone how to lead a nation. With all the POWs from all the wars the US has fought, we must be knee deep in Presidential Potentials!
A man convinced against his will - is of the same opinion still.
One thing about McCain's war days that doesn't get much play was his reaction to the terrible fire on his aircraft carrier. He jumped out of his plane and hid below decks when some pilots were helping to fight the fire which killed a lot of Navy men.
A fire which it is said he caused by wet-starting his Skyhawk. Certain accounts have him heroically pulling men out of the fire. I hadn't heard the hiding below decks story, but it seems that he was the only officer immediately transferred off the Forrestal in the aftermath of the fire, which killed about 150 sailors.
I've seen conflicting stories about how the fire started. It's my understanding that McCain simply skipped the ship after the fire for some R & R, then conferred with daddy, then went for a different ship.
We will apparently never know, military secret and all that. McCain never mentions how having collaborated with Radio Hanoi emotionally affected him anymore, either.
And these are important issues now....how.
They speak to the man's mental and physical state.
I think that you just think he is old and unattractive. I dont care--have at it. I just do not think its relevant. Fun. But silly.
Say some good things about Obama instead.
Someone needs to let McCain know that no one is much interested in another unnecessary "war" that happened 40 years ago. He claims to know how to "win a war." Is that why he crashed 4 or 5 jets? Does he know how to "win a war" by dropping bombs on innocent civilians? The man has war on the brain. Both he and Palin are dangerous to the survival of planet earth and its inhabitants, humans and animals.