Two larger-than-life politicians, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronald Reagan, charged into the California governor's office with the help of young voters, many of whom were drawn to the Republican Party by a message of sunny optimism.
But what those two very different Republican politicians did to attract millions of young adults looks to be a feat the Grand Old Party may not repeat anytime soon - either in California or on the national level in the 2008 presidential election.
A Democracy Corps poll from the Washington firm of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner suggests voters ages 18 to 29 have undergone a striking political evolution in recent years.
Young Americans have become so profoundly alienated from Republican ideals on issues including the war in Iraq, global warming, same-sex marriage and illegal immigration that their defections suggest a political setback that could haunt Republicans "for many generations to come," the poll said.
The startling collapse of GOP support among young voters is reflected in the poll's findings that show two-thirds of young voters surveyed believe Democrats do a better job than Republicans of representing their views - even on issues Republicans once owned, such as terrorism and taxes.
And among GOP presidential candidates, only former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani registers with more positive views than negative with young voters, the poll shows.
The anti-GOP shift for this generation - which is expected to reach 50 million voters, or 17 percent of the electorate, in 2008 - represents a marked contrast from their predecessors, the Gen Xers born in the mid-'60s to mid-'70s whose demographic represented the strongest Republican voters in the nation, pollster Anna Greenberg said.
Today, "on every single issue, Democrats are doing better with young people - no matter what the issue is," said Greenberg.
Catherine Brinkman, 28, of Foster City, who heads the California Young Republicans, said she hears from many of her Republican friends who say, " 'Look at our (presidential) candidates compared to the Democrats: They have Hillary, everyone knows her ... and you have this phenomenal (senator) out of Chicago, who is African American and energized.' "
The perception is that "we're still selling the same old white guys," Brinkman said.
The problem for the Republicans with young voters may be especially potent in California, where political veterans say the widening gulf between Schwarzenegger and the increasingly conservative tilt of Republican elected officials threatens a party that already has found it difficult to win statewide for the past 15 years.
"I think you have to be concerned when you have some (Republican) people who are saying that global warming is a hoax and that status quo for health care is acceptable," said Adam Mendelsohn, the communications director for Schwarzenegger.
"These are all positions that don't reflect where Republicans are in this state - and this is especially true when you start looking at young Republicans."
Schwarzenegger, by supporting issues "once owned by the Democrats," such as the environment and education, has lured many young voters to support him and "closely identify themselves as Schwarzenegger Republicans," Mendelsohn said.
But Democratic strategist Garry South said Schwarzenegger's success at the polls won't translate to other Republican candidates.
South pointed toward the recent state budget battle, which pitted Schwarzenegger and Democratic legislators against conservative GOP senators who delayed the $145 billion budget for almost two months to pressure for more cuts and protections for businesses against environmental lawsuits.
The demands of the state senators, South said, were so far to the right of the average voter that "the Republican brand in California now is so tainted and toxic that the only way you're going to win is to buy yourself out of the brand."
That means wealthy GOP candidates such as Schwarzenegger or Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner must dip into their considerable bank accounts to "spend millions and tell voters why you're different. But if not - you will go down like lambs to the slaughter," South said.
In California, the GOP's relatively weak prospects in the presidential election and in future statewide elections can be traced to what has been an increasingly tone deaf approach to a new set of priorities among voters, particularly the young, said Cal State Sacramento political communications Professor Barbara O'Connor.
"The fact that the governor's rating is around 60 percent is indicative of the legacy solutions that he proposes are resonating with the voters," including health care, infrastructure issues and education, O'Connor said.
"When a bridge is collapsing, the levees are in danger of flooding, or they're sitting in gridlock ... people don't care about, 'I saved you this much money,' " O'Connor said of the traditional Republican effort to cut the budget. "They care when their life is better. Parties should try to fix things - or ignore them at their peril."
Greenberg said the poll showed the war in Iraq and President Bush are unpopular with younger voters, which contributed to the decline in support for the GOP.
Younger voters, who grew up in the Clinton years, are also increasingly at odds with the GOP and its leaders on social issues.
"This is a more diverse generation, racially and ethnically, and it's more progressive on social issues like gay marriage," Greenberg said. "They see the Republican Party as profoundly different on tolerance and identity."
The poll also suggests the GOP is not addressing young voters' deep concerns about their future economic security. "Young people's economic struggles, more than any other issue, defines their political agenda," she said.
The study released last month of 1,017 voters ages 18-29 was conducted May 29-June 19. Voters were reached by a random telephone survey, through the Internet and on cell phones. The poll did not disclose a margin of error.
Greenberg Quinlan Rosner is a polling firm generally affiliated with Democrats. Its founder, Stan Greenberg, was a pollster for Democratic President Bill Clinton.
The GOP's problems for the future that show up in the poll are evident among young conservatives such as Wes Hanson, 17, a Livermore High School senior who describes himself as church-going, strongly anti-abortion and deeply concerned with the impacts of illegal immigration. But Hanson, who will cast his first presidential ballot in the 2008 election, is not sure he will register Republican - and is just as likely to be a "decline-to-state" or independent voter.
"I feel that Republicans tend to look out more for the best interests of the majority," especially on fiscal issues and moral responsibility, Hanson says.
But, like many in his age group, he has a libertarian streak and believes party lawmakers are wrong to try to legislate issues such as same-sex marriage.
"I don't think it's any of the government's business," said Hanson, who says he is still not inspired by any of the GOP's 2008 presidential candidates.
Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee, acknowledged the challenges that the Iraq war and other issues have created for the party, but said they are not insurmountable.
"Obviously, this is a tough political environment for our party, but we believe our brand of individual responsibility, lower taxes and national security is one that resonates with youth voters," he said
Brinkman, with the Young Republicans, said GOP leaders can start making repairs by going back to the Reagan playbook - and "back to our core values." That means talking about how lower taxes, less government and fiscal responsibility can deliver opportunity for students and young professionals - and hope.
With headlines about a mortgage crisis, outsourcing, health care costs and immigration, she said young voters want their political parties to stop fighting and offer solutions.
"When it comes to the American dream," Brinkman says, "we're thinking, where is it?"
Brinkman backs Giuliani for president and believes he may be the kind of leader who can inspire young people who may be deserting the Republican Party.
The former New York mayor has star power and an energized message - and the under-30 crowd knows him from his performance in New York after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11.
"He has something that people want to see; they want to be around him," she said.
E-mail Carla Marinucci at cmarinucci@sfchronicle.com.
© 2007 The San Francisco Chronicle
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First the Republicans had to devise ways to exclude poor people from voting in order to still win a majority of the vote (by putting them in prison).
Then, they had to find ways to exclude black people from voting in order to win an election (by scrapping them from the voter's list)
So now, they will have to find ways to exclude young people from voting in elections (probably either by putting them in prison as well, or by raising the age by which people can vote).
Who's next ? They still want to achieve their dream: the permanent Republican majority. After they dealt with the environmentalists, pacifists, feminists, women in general, minorities in general, you will see that the Republican Party is still relevant in today's world !!
bildad...
Question #1: Answer: In Texas, one doesn't have to be a registered Republican to vote in the primary - only registered to vote.
Question #2: Answer: I was born naked and without language. Nobody can pin a label on me unless I let them. Names - like words themselves - with so many definitions, nuances of definition... and dependent as they are... on context, volume, spelling, usage by disparate groups, etcetera... are a cruel hoax meant to tether us to a leash... or keep us less than mindful... or else, constantly confused. Labels, names, words... are only useful for fools and tyrants... and those who really just like to hear or see each other think in erratic ways.
Question #3: Answer: I DO enjoy conversation. It's pure selfishness on my part, but then I'm human too.
Dr. Paul is running as a Republican in the Republican primary. He is, first-and-foremost, a constitutionalist.
I am not a libertarian; nor am I member of any party - except, perhaps, the one I care to join from time-to-time for fun.
Also, the Congressman may often identify himself as a libertarian, but another candidate is running an independent race as the Libertarian Party candidate - just not Ron Paul.
He ran unsuccessfully as a Libertarian Party candidate back in 1988.
He's served as a Republican U.S. Congressman from his south Texas district for about 20 years. His reputation on Capitol Hill is that of a staunch defender of the rule of law - spelled out for all the world to see in the great documents for governance our founders provided us with... upon this nation's creation.
Libertarians come in many flavors, as do many other people who've labeled themselves with a political tag. The closest I've come to deciding on a label for me... is one who adheres to a philosophy of so-called "individualist anarchism".
Other libertarians lean Left or Right as well. What they all have in common though is the real need to be free.
Funny thing is, those other individualists/anarchists (similar to myself) go back and forth favoring whatever suits the moment too. Many call themselves libertarians - just not me. Like every other living thing in this life - similar to the beasts of our natural world - they do not want to get trapped or killed against their will. Thus, they only want to survive and flourish.
Short of being forced to accept the identifying label - which strikes me as authoritarian and arbitrary - to me, it's the very definition of freedom... in that the rights of the individual in society are always paramount before the state.
Like Ron Paul, a Christian, I also tend to respect the Golden Rule (though I am not of any particular branded faith).
I don't favor unbridled capitalism if it's disrespectful or harmful to another person... or to his property... or of his privacy. I also don't want to run anyone's life save my own - nor do I feel compelled to feed into someone's neuroses to gain an unethical advantage.
Dr. Paul respects the privacy and property rights of the individual over the state's... and the government provides a legal framework to defend his interests against all encroachment.
He is adamantly opposed to NAFTA and all the other organizations which infringe upon the sovereignty of the U.S.A.
He has largely oppposed the Neocon's agenda from the instant they came to Washington; and he was one of the few Republicans to stand up to the Bushies when they illegally manufactured a pretext for going to war with Iraq.
An OB/GYN by profession, he's delivered over 4000 babies in his career. Though a right-to-lifer, he feels it's the right of the states to decide Roe v Wade - not the jurisdiction of the FedGov.
My collectivist instincts - not Dr. Paul's - lean towards including natural (universal) law into some of the newer economic values of "natural capitalism", as they provide an economic incentive to do right by that which doesn't have a voice in government - our natural world.
Yes, I too have a problem with corporate personhood and, as you say, the idea that money equals speech. Though I can't speak for Dr. Paul, I've heard it said that lobbyists never come calling on him at his Congressional office...
... And on the floor of the House, he's famously known as "Dr. No"!
Google him - Ron Paul is reputed to be one of the most honest, ethical politicians of our generation. And he's huge on the internet for good reason.
He understands the "inflation tax" burden placed on the poor and the middle class of our country when he declares he will move to legally abolish the Federal Reserve. (The Constitution does not grant the power to coin or print money to any outside authority except the FedGov... and the Fed is a consortium of private - and secretive - bankers.)
He will move to abolish the IRS's unapportioned direct tax on a workingperson's wages... as he maintains this is unconstitutional.
Anyway, the bulk of it used to pay the private bankers' interest on money borrowed by the FedGov - so who needs it?
It's burdensome, and therefore, oppressive. So is the scope and size of the FedGov!
One man - whether it's me or you, Dr. Paul or anyone else - can't change the world all by his/her lonesome. After all, we're alive at a time when sustainability and cooperation is critically important to our future survival.
But I appreciate you engaging an old Leftie like me! :)
Rudy's popularity is based entirely upon mortality salience, as 9-11 recedes into the past and more realistic concerns arise, his star wanes.
Questions for Laurence: If you are not a Republican, how can you vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary? If you ARE a Republican, why are you here? Do you just enjoy the conversation? There have to be other sites with a more libertarian-minded audience that might be more to your liking. But if you are a real Libertarian (a registered member of the Libertarian Party, that is) you won't be able to vote for Paul anyway, unless you can write him in during the general election. And by the way, I thought that libertarians favored the type of unbridled capitalism that gave us NAFTA, etc., and enshrined corporate personhood and the idea that money equals speech. What's up?
The Reagan quote is a lie. I checked in the book itself. There is no such entry like that on that date. I knew it was false...or wishful thinking. For all we know, Reagan probably envied George for having a dimwit son. His own son embarrassed the Gipper, what with the ballet aspirations and whispers about his sexuality. Dubya would've been a great son for Reagan. They are two of a kind. None too bright and easy to be handled by the pros.
Another Cathy Brinkman quote:
“When it comes to the American dream,†Brinkman says, “we’re thinking, where is it?â€
Honey! It's in China, Indonesia, India, Ireland and so many other countries that your Republican heroes exported it to while you were mindlessly repeating the pathetic dogma about "personal responsibility", "Christian values" and other crap.
Message to Cathy: Study the issues, open your mind and stop repeating slogans -- you just might learn something and find the American Dream in the process.
" Catherine Brinkman, 28, of Foster City, who heads the California Young Republicans, said she hears from many of her Republican friends who say, †‘Look at our (presidential) candidates compared to the Democrats: They have Hillary, everyone knows her … and you have this phenomenal (senator) out of Chicago, who is African American and energized.’ â€
The perception is that “we’re still selling the same old white guys,†Brinkman said.
The above quote illustrates the problem. Poor little Cathy Brinkman sees the problem but is just too steeped in her Republican dogma to do anything about it.
Message to Cathy: Rudolph Guliani is one of those old white guys. Wake up honey!
We need to get back to this nation's constitutional roots and restore our republic before we can entertain any serious notions of progressive reform.
This is precisely why I'm voting for a sound fiscal and monetary policy, a sensible foreign policy - and Republican Congressman Ron Paul - this time around. Priorities count... if we want to reverse our slippery slide... and the coming terror storm... dead ahead of us.
And to think, I don't even like Republicans! I used to be one with you, fellow dreamers. But, for me, today... things are different. I'm just not going to support the status quo any longer... because I truly don't like Democrats... that support the status quo either.
So forget the labels - vote the man and his principles. Common dreams of genuine freedom and prosperity cannot occur in a nation-state run by an elite cabal of private bankers and corporatists.
I, for one, have had a bellyful of business-as-usual. Disenchantment? This ain’t even the half of it!
Do you believe multi-national corporations give a damn about America? International borders and complicated rules-of-the-road get in the way of smooth-flowing profits, do they not? Don’t you know these same Big Business groups will opportunistically throw their support behind whomever their officers and directors bet will win the White House – irrespective of party?
And why is that? Is it because they take altruistic civic pride in our take-no-prisoners election process? Do they have to support any or all of any one candidate’s policy positions? Think again.
They’re prudent investors... with the wily ways... of cagey gamblers... and laissez-faire "gun-running" capitalists. You can wager a bet... most of these so-called first-tier candidates... are merely held captive by their paymasters.
And you’d win... only the bet, that is!
They’ll have their hired guns standing in line with big wads of cash bowing before them – empty-promise-makers making deals with empty-promise-keepers – just like before. You can call it institutionalized bribery and the same-o sordid wheeler-dealing – if you don’t mind calling it like it is.
Remember, government is not Santa Claus, people. And it ain’t the Tooth Fairy, either. It has become unwieldy and oppressive - and its diktats are anathema to what true personal freedom is supposed to be about – because, like PR experts, think tank analysts and everyday admen – real people... really do... tell some pretty amazing whoppers!
Government is so far out-of-control it's going to take a revolution to stop its boot-jacked, goose-stepping thugs from stomping up and down our breaking backs. Big government wants to own you... the big banks want to own you... and so too... do their big corporate partners-in-crime.
Only we, the good-hearted sheeple, allow this insanity to go on – no matter who’s in office. You know, just “go shopping†– well, yes indeed, Mr. Bush!
Yes indeed, Mrs. Clinton! And, yes indeed to you too, Mr. Giuliani! You’re all sell-outs! Who’s terrorizing whom, I wonder?
Can you honestly believe what's going on here? We've allowed our treasury to be looted by easy-money predators and colossal purse-snatching rodents, for crying out loud... and the imminent collapse of the entire capitalist world is upon us!
“Promoting the general welfareâ€, as mentioned in the preamble of our Constitution, isn’t about big government handouts... borrowed from private bankers... charging working people... with usurious interest rates... while all of them manipulate the value of our money. It isn’t about favoring one special interest over another with largesse from the treasury either. So am I the only progressive sick-and-tired of this warfare-welfare state?
Weapons of mass destruction are our number one export!
And all those darn terrorists! OMG… they hate us for our freedoms… our democracy… our God-less way of life.
“Oh please protect me from these awful evil-doers, Daddy! I’m having nightmares!â€
The powers-that-be, increasingly sophisticated and hunkered down – hidden inside the protection of their gated estates and private jets – thus intend... to enslave us... all!
And these slick, oily bastards are laughing at us!
So throw off your shackles my friends... before you live to regret what'll happen... before your unbelieving eyes. Wake up... and hear the wail of the street urchin... begging for a handout... from his slave-masters – those of the leisurely investor class... who’ve robbed us all blind... and “accidentallyâ€... out of “necessityâ€... bankrupted the treasury.
You can start by re-reading the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and its accompanying Bill of Rights. These are NOT quaint documents to be dismissed out of hand.
Free trade in a truly free market economy ain’t what we got these days, folks. We’ve got extortion racketeers, drug pushers, managed-care specialists, caregivers, SOMA peddlers, arms traders, neo-con-artists, grifters, moneychangers, smart-ass liars, zealots and fanatics – pirates and warmongers, every one of them – running roughshod... all over our supposed freedoms!
Nowhere does our Constitution mention an “alphabet soup of acronyms†form of governance... NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, UN, DEM, REP, INC, LTD, WTO, IRS, IMF, RFID, IDB, IFS, NATO, SPP, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSN, NYT, WSJ, GE, ATT, ITT, APA, FDA, AMA, FBI, CIA, MI5, MOSSAD, INTERPOL, SEC, FED, ABA... does it?
Then take a refresher course in Economics 101 – or read up on it in an encyclopedia. Listen to what the GAO’s Comptroller General has to say on Google Video.
Pull out a dictionary and keep at hand your encyclopedia. Look up “economy†and “economic theoryâ€. Read up on the words “freedomâ€, “socialismâ€, “totalitarianismâ€, “Fascismâ€, and “capitalism†again.
One needs to perform this simple exercise to realize we've been had. We’ve been led along... by our noses... down the proverbial primrose path... and we’re headed towards perdition.
Now with all of this in mind, and if we do suffer this expected financial collapse, who do you want in the White House, in charge of the fallout?
Doesn’t your personal freedom-from-tyranny, your personal financial privation – or your privacy – even matter anymore?
The revolution is going down... now... and I know you've heard it said before - but it's true - it will definitely not be televised.
Looks like we have Nazi trolls even on the Commondreams boards. Of course young people hate Republicans. Anyone with any sense wouldn't give these sorry a**wipes the time of day much less vote for them. The Dems do sometimes seem like Republican lite, and Clinton was actually an old time Republican. I think we are seeing young people and disheartened people in America fed up with the ole "Let's give everything to rich people" attitude. They are tired of all the corporate piles who send jobs overseas and make garbage with slave labor. They are tired of expensive, senseless wars for the rich or some other narrow-minded idiot. The pie baked with excrement in it isn't selling anymore.
Dump both political parties!
iwarrior,
Thanks for that great concert story. Pretty heartening. I'd thought all the rockers were sort of pansy-ing out on political comment. Nothing to be ashamed of in going to Ozzfest. Keep on rockin' in the free world.
mirf59--thanks for that quote from reagan. he must deserve heaven for that thought...
decrepittex, i do believe you are right. the media is really hyping clinton and obama for two reasons: one, to inspire the "blinded by the light" to confirm a clinton/obama ticket or a clinton/edwards ticket and to inspire the prejudices of the republican base and the base to vote for the other, even if it's bush again. let's be generous and say that the youth, the dems and the indies do get the vote out, the ptb (the powers that be--not you or me)will again determine the outcome beforehand. like others said, i am not excited about this selection come 2008.
Holy crap, mirf! Is that really a Reagan quote? I guess the gipper knew a clueless moron when he saw one.
Arnie rode the coat tails of the so called "energy shortage" that among other things led to the recall of Gov. Davis. Terminator rode overwhelming public support due to star power and being a "moderatel" Shortly after, heeading faulty GOP advise, he then went hard to the right with several prop measures and got his shorts handed to him through an amazing coalition of nurses, fire and law safety groups. He since took up the green cause, and floated back to the middle. California is still blue baby, despite the red-state GOPers in the Central Valley.
Wow, I'm really disheartened by the bashing of youth here. I thought it was only chic to kick around Christians, white guys, Americans, midwesterners, rural folks, etc. I guess we should add teens and twentysomethings to the mix.
"Clueless, braindead, apathetic, lazy..."
Don't young people here enough of that from the stuffy conservatives?
"Aw get a job."
"Get yer hair cut and stop listening to that heavy Satanic rock."
"Pull up your pants and turn off the jungle music."
"Wash that crap off your face and out of your hair. Pull out that thing in your nose too."
Weren't any of you young once? And we wonder why so many kids are disengaged from politics. They've got people on both sides either screwing them or telling them to go to hell.
Call me a moron, but I think that poll is pretty damn encouraging. Not that the Dems don't deserve to be thoroughly taken to task.
But what do I know. I'm only 33. And I didn't finish college. I'm a slacker too. A Gen X'er. Damn me.
I was at Ozzfest this past Friday (yeah, I know, kiss my butt) and the lead singer of Daath (Hebrew for 'knowledge') the first band on, pointed at the military recruiters' booths and told the audience something to the effect of "tell those MF'ers to kiss your a**. I don't know about you, but I'll die for my country, but not for George W. Bush."
He then got everyone to lift their middle fingers and point them at the Army and Navy guys.
The kids might not be alright, but they 'aint half bad either.
As a Survey/Market Researcher and Statistician myself, i'm always a bit skeptical of "analysis" given by NEWSPAPER or MEDIA of survey studies. I'm not sayin young voters aren't disenchanted with the Republican party, they are... But i'd like to get a look at the sampling design and methodology, full questionnaire, and the research analysis from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, which is a Democratic Survey firm, and strategist for the Dems.
http://www.gqrr.com/
I have an idea that may help the Rethugs get back their immoral majority, and this is to appoint a *National Insecurity Advisor* to high orifice.
He (not she) could then dedicate maximum time to creating brand new hyped-up Terrorwrist dramas, and be able whip up a sexy new catastrophe every Monday morning by 9.30am sharp, -thus keeping Joe and Jolene Public in a perpetual state of fear, 24/7.
Don't know what we do about this worrying trend of they young folks beginning to think for themselves though...
Can we buy a busty blonde Green punk environmental rap artist anywhere?
That might do the trick...
If young people aren't disenchanted with the Republican party, they'd have to be brain-dead. The party is supposed to stand for fiscal responsibility but the Bush administration and its enablers have bled the coffers dry. If I were young, I too would be concerned that this one administration has insured that I will be burdened with his debt, as will my children and grandchildren.
Democrat or Republican
Twiddledee or Twiddledum
The more I look, the less difference I see.
There are subtle differences like the Demos tend towards big govt and Repubs toward tax cuts to the rich.
Deep down neither party supports the common American.
I can already see the train wreck of the next election heading our way & there is no way to stop it.
Election outcome: more of the same (no matter who wins, we lose)
Republicans should have heeded the observations of their great leader:
"A moment I've been dreading. George brought his ne're-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I'll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they'll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work."
-- Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, May 17, 1986.
No, the Democrats haven't done much lately but that's more a matter of circumstance (Republican majority in both houses for too long) and the fear of the Republican slime machine. It doesn't make much sense to take on the slime machine if you're going to lose the vote anyway. Let's wait and see what the Dems do AFTER the 2008 elections.
texray, I'd vote for Kucinich in a second if given the
chance. But by the time the primaries get to the Lone
Star State the outcome will already have been decided.
I doubt his name will be on the ballot in Nov. 08. Big
business will have their man (or woman) picked out and
paid for by then.
With the exception of the "Radical Christians" and the
really wealthy, I can see no reason for anyone to back
the Republicans. What have they done for working class Americans in the last six years; absolutely nothing!
One thing they are great at is making more people poor
and rich people richer. But, you could also say the Dems
have been "no shows" for the past six years. There's not
six pairs of balls in the whole lot of them. I fear the
Democratic party will once again snatch defeat from what
should be an easy victory in 08. They seem determined to
run Mrs. Clinton, and somehow I think she has the least
chance of winning in 08. Having lived in Texas about 56
of my 67 years, I just can't see many of the "good ole'
boys" here in Texas (or any of the other "red neck"
state) voting for her or Obama. Believe me, prejudice
and racism is alive and well here. I hear it every day.
Hey Paul, check out Kucinich. I wish he were an independent. The last and ONLY dem I'll vote for, ever agian, unless they grow a pair. We'll see. Tex
green jello, I think the axis of good (great nickname :) ) is waaay too incompetent to pull off a 9/11 conspiracy. And I am hoping that he doesn't become president. The way the DNC is running things, though, they may just manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and we could well wind up with President Rudy. Scary.
PS. Total agreement on the organized crime connection.
Frosty Bunny, it wasnt Giuliani's good fortune to happen to be the mayor of NYC, it was part of the plan from the start. The axis of good needed the mayor's office to allow the 9/11 scam to happen the way it did. And no one is more connected to organized crime than Giuliani. Pray that he is not elected president in 08.
Can they point to a Democrat in high office who's delivered on any of these things recently? I don't mean feel-good rhetoric, but the real thing.
"Ah hope ah live to see you eat that ba-llot!. But ah hope your leave room for my fist, 'cause ah am going to ram it into your sto-mach and break your spine!! - Governor Ah-nold
"and the under-30 crowd knows him from his performance in New York after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11"
Yeah, standing around with his sleeves rolled up, looking "resolute". It was Rudy's good political fortune to happen to be the mayor of a city that suffered a terrorist attack.
(Young people) "want to be around him". Except the young people who are his kids. They don't seem terribly impressed by him.
Well I for one will be interested in how many voters just plain come out to vote.
the youth of today indentify with "slackers" like the Dems
Are Democrats doing better with young people? It must be their clueness natures.