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American Fatalism
The question makes for customary newspaper fodder July 4 and other national holidays, although to me it's a 365-day fixation more interesting than inquiries into the meaning of life or the existence of god: What does it mean to be an American? The most reassuring answer is that there'd better never be an answer: American identity is best left elusive, less sure of itself than of its endless possibilities. Which is what makes the certainty of recent answers-when the question was posed to local newspaper readers-the more disquieting.
I was catching up on old clips when I came across the July 1 cover of my own paper (the News-Journal), a colorful four-column, top-to-bottom mosaic of thirty people-various races, colors, ages, dental care-explaining what it means to them "to be an American." Almost every answer was a variation on the theme of freedom, usually personal freedom, but in the abstract, as if they each were repeating by rote phrases from a hymnal than speaking truths they knew and felt first-hand, or could explain. A 16-year-old: "To me, it means freedom and having the right to do what you want to do." An 8 year old: "It means that we live in a free country and that we get to do a lot of stuff that other people can't." A 54-year-old: "To have personal freedom to do what I want to do, when I want to do it." A 60 year old: "It's liberties and freedoms that are preserved and cherished in the Constitution of the United States."
The sameness of the answers belied their very point: While almost all of them felt free in the abstract and could say the kind of flag-waving phrases that do sloganeering Elks and Rotary clubs proud, hardly any could go beyond the rote, and only a handful were safe from unwitting irony. When a 25 year old says it's about "living free to accomplish your dreams," it's difficult not to think of the near-bankruptcy of the notion, of the very real fact that upward mobility, once a staple of American life, is now far less of a reality in the United States than it is in supposedly stultified and class-full Europe. This 26 year old seems to get it: "Everything is still within my reach, but to get it you have to be strong and determined." This 49 year old, not so much: "The opportunities, dreams and the fulfillment of a truly valued life." (The one who does get it is black, incidentally. The one who doesn't is whiter than a shade of pale.)
A 60 year old and a 48 year old attribute Americanness to "freedom of speech," which may be true in the abstract, but is among those freedoms least valued, least protected, and most badgered in our day: we have the freedom to say what we please on our blogs and in our living rooms. But so do the Chinese (and they live in a totalitarian regime). And even then, those freedoms are being restricted: let your employer find out what you think or do that may clash with your company's "culture" and you'll be out the door before you have a chance to scroll down to your explanation (a few weeks ago a waitress of long date at a local Olive Garden was summarily fired when her employer saw a picture of her holding a beer on her daughter's MySpace page). "Freedom of speech" in the media is even more of an fallacy. The spectrum of accepted ideas is embarrassingly narrower than it is in most European countries. The voices in those media form a small, hermetic, repetitive and self-preserving elite that has less to do with ideology than a form of religious belief in the status quo. Once again blogs have dented the club and forced it to own up to realities it might not have otherwise, but even the blog world has developed its own class system, its own establishment, conventions and, quite rigorously, its own rules of intolerance. Freedom of speech is pointless when it doesn't provoke conversations, when dissent isn't accepted not only as an inherent value of the liberal mindset, but as its necessity.
I'm tempted to say that we live in a conformist age. But in reality most of American history has been one age of conformism after another, shocked and jagged periodically by brief periods of radical rethinking, by that shaking of the tree of liberty Thomas Jefferson spoke about, often with drips of blood as a consequence. This is not, by any means, one of those periods. Not even close. Dissent over Bush has formed its own establishment. But a movement to be rid of something as specific as one presidential administration and its follies isn't the same as a movement to change the culture, politically and socially. There isn't, among viable Republican or Democratic candidates running-with the occasional, and so far mostly rhetorical, exceptions of John Edwards and, on his more lucid days, Barack Obama-the slightest desire to question the status quo, to, for example, up-end assumptions about the market economy or challenge the eminently challengeable belief that American interests begin and end with its business interests. Fire up those engines of subversion and see how far your "freedom of speech" will take you.
I liked, among all those answers on the front page, the slightly doubtful one, by a 56-year-old woman, who said: "We're free than, I think, the rest of the world." That doubt is healthy. It suggests that perhaps our assumptions have gotten a bit too far ahead of us, as in fact they have: In terms of press freedoms, for example, Reporters Without Borders ranks the United States a miserable 53 rd in the world, alongside Botswana, Croatia and Tonga. The United States ranks high in terms of economic freedoms, in fourth place, but then Hong Kong, which belongs to China, is first, and Singapore, a libertarian's nightmare, ranks second. As for the Global Peace Index, which ranks countries from most peace-fostering to least peace-fostering, forget it. Norway, New Zealand and Denmark occupy the top spots. The United States comes in at 96, sandwiched, appropriately enough, between Yemen and Iran.
The disconnect between the neocons' Bush-Cheney version of the world and the reality we face is clear enough. With simple-mindedness that makes George Babbitt seem like a foreign policy whiz, Bush thinks that American power and institutions are innate virtues that the world craves, that no people could want another system. It's what drove his assumptions that American tanks in Baghdad could metamorphose into the making of another San Antonio on the banks of the Tigris. He got an Alamo in reverse, writ large. But he had the majority of Americans' support as late as 2004. And if he did so, it's because the disconnect he projected is alive and well in the heart of most Americans. They have soured on Bush. They haven't lost their illusions about Bush-like assumptions, revealed so clearly in those July 4 spreads about what it means to be American.
Bush will soon be gone. Not so the fatal assumption that to be an American is to be the world.
Pierre Tristam is a News-Journal editorial writer. Reach him at ptristam@att.net or through his personal Web site at www.pierretristam.com .
© 2007 The Daytona Beach News-Journal



84 Comments so far
Show AllLet me give you a perspective from an Australian's point of view.
I see America under Bush as the most dangerous country in the world. I see the people of America as fearful and paralyzed, cowering before their right-wing despot and his neocon henchmen. I see this powerful but small group pushing for American hegemony in the world, a group driven by a fanatical, egocentric belief that what is good for America is good for everyone. What crap!
I fear what Bush is doing, will do, especially with nuclear weapons. I am not alone. If Bush is not stopped and the Constitution changed so that someone like him can never hold office again then it is likely that our world will be destroyed. Perhaps very soon.
Get rid of Bush and change your Constitution before it's too late!
Please.
http://seeking-utopia.blogspot.com
RUSS your comment regarding freedom of thought brought to mind the poet BLAKE who said, "To behold the world in a grain of sand, and eternity in an hour." Some incarcerated prisoners grow enormously because they pursue courses while "in the joint." And so many outside are habituated to the minuets of established protocols that suit the need to conform rendering THEM truer prisoners.
PEACEMAN: Inspired comments. Thank you for sharing them.
right on russ...lots of room
ipenek,
Can you give some examples? I'll gladly re-read your posts...
But I will stand by my point that the "blogosphere" has become a sort of a trap where dissent can be safely isolated from the public at large.
Tristan did some really good work here. The type of information in this article is indeed what the election ought to be about, but of course will not be. Instead, it will be about who is a better bomber. It will be about who better understands the need (however false) for "free trade" and how to keep it. It will be about who can bring in the most cash, no matter where it comes from. And of course, as always, it will be about those idiots who choose to vote their conscience in a system that is clearly in place to sequester free choice in national elections.
Let's face it, the United States has become the bully in the school yard after he has been outed as a dunce by the other kids. The smarter, more caring kids, are now pitying him as he sits in the sand box and broods.
Sooner or later, and hopefully sooner, Americans are going to have to scrap their fears - and boy are there many - and demand that the debate in this country be about equality of condition. "perhaps our assumptions have gotten a bit too far ahead of us, as in fact they have: In terms of press freedoms, for example, Reporters Without Borders ranks the United States a miserable 53 rd in the world, alongside Botswana, Croatia and Tonga. The United States ranks high in terms of economic freedoms, in fourth place, but then Hong Kong, which belongs to China, is first, and Singapore, a libertarian's nightmare, ranks second. As for the Global Peace Index, which ranks countries from most peace-fostering to least peace-fostering, forget it. Norway, New Zealand and Denmark occupy the top spots. The United States comes in at 96, sandwiched, appropriately enough, between Yemen and Iran," says Tristan.
Hmm, sounds like some pretty good fighting words to me. Do you think Barack or Hillary will bring them up? I don't. do you think Kucinich will get to bring them up and actually be listened to or debated on the matter on television? I don't.
So what now? Vote, that's what. Vote as if your life depended on it, but refuse to play the game. If they don't give us the debate we know we need to have in this country, DO NOT LET THEM GET THE JOB!
e as Americans live in two worlds, on one hand we are the world's bully, if we cannot take what we want by economic means we take it militarily. Yet we firmly believe that we are protecting freedom when we take what we want.
We talk about family values yet the right makes these values so narrow and exclusive that most soulful and creative people would never be able to fit into them.
We say we have wondrful principles yet most of what we see, hear and told to do, has nothing to do with principle and everything to with money and the power that goes along with it. Money is thought of as the only good and its accumulation the highest moral goal. Because of money being the subconcious highest goal, we live in a class stratified world that we are not allowed to discuss less we be dismissed as socialists. Yes the class stratification and the money driven principle has many Americans sliding into a thrid world existence.
Corporation whose goal is simply to make money have to be restrained, they must be held to a set of principles. But ever since Reagan not only have we weakened to the point of uselessness the principles corporations had to at least give lip service to, are now something to be despised as anti american.
Face it people 98% are never going to be the wealthy overlord, its time to realise this, and stop the corporations from the damage they are doing to our country
It seems that political discussion would advance by light years if the word "freedom" were abandoned. We should talk about an open press as opposed to free press, capitalist-friendly or labor-friendly or environment-friendly as opposed to economic freedom, democracy or political rights as opposed to political freedom, etc... The word has been so misused and abused by demagogues and con-men for so long that it has lost its meaning.
The "spirituality community" suffers from many symptoms outlined by Pierre T. above. I shared some of my observations on this subject (as I feel it runs parallel with issues raised in this article) on the Marianne Williamson posting yesterday.
I would take it a step further and say we have to stop corporations who are not willing to pay their fair share dead in their stride, by whatever means necessary. They are not only ruining the American way of life, which has already been f'd up for some time, but out massive income inequalities and disastrous working conditions are now being exported across the globe, creating the same inequalities and working conditions there. Globalization has come to mean only globalization of the tyranny of the bottom line.
I think it's time the corporations experienced something called "tyranny of the pissed off masses."
It reminds me of an old joke that made the rounds in what was then the Soviet Union. An American and a Soviet were arguing over which system was best. The American finally said, "Well, I can stand on the steps of the White House and call the president of the United States an idiot without fear of prison." The Soviet answered, "So can I."
Now, neither of them could even stand on the steps of the White House.
Until the US populace gets the courage to take to the streets and follow the example of Gandhi's non-violent marches and demonstrations nothing will change. The people have got to WANT the Constitution restored enough to ACT accordingly. If there is no such desire, there will will be no more US Constitution (except in name only).
What a shame to let cowardice bring down such a noble experiment of human governance!!
Things will change only when the populace is alienated and hopeless.
Then they may :
STAND UP - for what they beleive to be right.
SIT DOWN - in the nearest street to bring transportaion, retail, everything to a standstill.
FIGHT - I hope like Gandhi's Pathan friend Badshar Khan(Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan) (check him out)a Pashtun nonviolent Muslim
FIGHT - Even if it means sacrifice to themselves to totally repudiate the oligarchy
FIGHT - As if their lives depend on active resistance - which they do
When people realize that they cannot ignore the actions of the government and relaize they themselves are the governmet, only then is change possible..
Allow me to quote another blogger of my vintage - estebandito:
(I hope he does not mind)
'As an old hippy draft-dodger,who has been out in the streets se'veral hours a week behind my Iraq anti-war signs demanding an end to the madness since this insanity began (how many years now?), I gotta report: very few people of any age give a good goddam. Oh yeah, we "protestors" get a free coffee now an then and lots of happy honking as the cars go by, but the truth is very sad. Old radicals tell me they are afraid of losing their subsidized rents!! " FBI lists! Got no time for it…"
Practically no one can remember that the way a people get new governments and new directions is ancient and simple: you stop up the streets and you go to jail for misdemeanors and then you go back and do it again. respectfully and peacefully. The fact that this is so self evident yet almost completely ignored tells me that our population of united statesians has largely ceased to function as truly caring, conscience-filled people. Reasons are many……but we are losing hope, and we deserve whatever happens to us now. This is not nice talk in front of the children, or at parties.
Nevertheless, I will continue to sally out and attempt to show folks the facts as well as try and get them to laugh at our predicament ( i usually dress as a clown 'cause clowns have more fun…..it seems like the compassionaste thing to do.'
Additional thoughts:
"To me nonviolence has come to represent a panacea for all the evils that surround my people. Therefore I am devoting all my energies toward the establishment of a society that would be based on its principles of truth and peace." – Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan
"Today's world is traveling in some strange direction. You see that the world is going toward destruction and violence. And the specialty of violence is to create hatred among people and to create fear. I am a believer in nonviolence and I say that no peace or tranquility will descend upon the people of the world until nonviolence is practiced, because nonviolence is love and it stirs courage in people." – Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan to an interviewer in 1985
What does it mean to be an American? To work 60+ hours/week for depreciating wages, health care and education for our children. To flaccidly stand by as our Government wages illegal wars in our name to benefit the elite. To be engulfed by highly-controlled media. To be regarded as an evil by the rest of the world. To leave our children nothing but debt, an empty social security fund, rampant selfishness, a nation under surveillance, etc, etc, etc. That is what it means to be American.
GENERAL STRIKE, September 11!
I was a voter up until pro-war democrats Clinton and cantwell were re-elected handily. democracy doesn't work! one-man-one-vote in a country of 150 million voters? no, democracy works only in a town hall environment.
Everybody here has the brains and the morality needed for change but who is listening? Like Shane says we have to get their attention.
Dare I say this on Commondreams? There is a hint of what Pat Buchanan has said in the past about the nation devolving into many nations (Balkanization, says Pat) rather than only one. Pat and I don't agree on the details, but I think I see where he's coming from. The rote is still there, that most abused word in the English language: Freedom. But to be American today is really best described as: fill-in-the-blank. To be Belgian or Swedish or Italian ...there's no real comparison to that here. It seems the US is slightly internationalist, but at the same time is disconnected from the world community by its very American-ness, its self-proclaimed exceptionalism. But California and South Dakota and Louisiana really are three different countries. A strange place to live ...maybe to be American is to be strange.
Stilba: You have brought up such an important point: what it means to be American. Really, it means nothing other than to be a citizen of this country. Unlike the Hungarians, the Irish, the Polish, the whathaveyou, we do not, as Americans, share a common thread. Our only real common threads are found in the slaughter of Indigenous people in our constant pushing of the Frontier, and our relentless "pursuit of happiness" by any means possible, even if it means bestowing wretchedness upon others who get in our way. Someday, we have to answer for the method by which America was formed and therefore Americans so named, dig? I mean, what would this country be without the general doctrine of liberty from the masses? America - the country - has never been, nor was it ever meant to be, concerned with the common man's needs, nor the needs of every man as part of the whole.
Those who colonized America were, for the most part, folks who wanted nothing to do with the revolution going on in their home country. Instead, they took their money and their self-importance, and came to a savage land where they could steal everything they would need to start a country in which they could live in full independence of all societal responsibility. The only reason the country did not become a thriving hell-pot, is because of some very intelligent and forward thinking individuals who wrote a pretty damn good Constitution.
Anyway, individualism - in the way modern America understands it - is indeed counter-revolutionary. Perhaps if we embrace our sorted past and acknowledge what we have done and what we HAVE NOT done, we might enjoy the chance to remake ourselves in a more humanitarian way. To do that will mean giving up a lot of what we have killed for. It will hurt, but it will heal too.
Capitalism is America's state religion.
Excellent piece. Freedom my ass! The reaity is that USAns, when compared to the world's industrial democracies, rates rather poorly on each of FDR's "four freedoms":
Freedom of speech?
We are free to grumble amongst ourselves at home or on useless fora like this. But dissent publicly and face peper spray, tazing, or at a minimum face what the guy in Kent Ohio is getting (see today's sidebar). At any rate, public dissent is useless in the face of the multi-megawatt bullhorn the corporate propaganda machine wields with considerable skill to keep the population in ignorance.
Freedom from Want?
USAns enjoy far less leisure time, work longer hours, their right to organize to collectively bargain for wages and working conditions effectviely demolished, are deeper in debt, are the only "democracy" without access to healthcare as a right, have more living in poverty, have by far the highest prison population in the world with vast, racist gaps in educational and job opportunity, criminal justice and impisonment between black and white.
Freedom of Religion?
Just ask a muslim, or a professed athiest, how free they feel...
Freedom from Fear
Need this one even need an expalanation? USAns harbor politically and economically useful fears like no other purported democracy in the world.
Some exerpts of Roosevelts speech are below. Can we even imagine ANY US politician never mind the President, saying these things today????
" In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expression--everywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way--everywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from want--which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants-everywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fear--which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor--anywhere in the world.
That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.
"
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt, excerpted from the Annual Message to the Congress, January 6, 1941
Most nations in Europe have more rights granted to its citizens than to ones living in the USA. REAL rights I am talking about, not mere conditional privileges that favor the wealthy in your greedy heartless nation. Most nations here are socialist democracies, you see. Which most Americans view as terrible evidently. Let's see what rights do we have here that Americans either envy or judge as immoral
In the Nertherlands we can smoke marijuana, under certain conditions at least but we do not throw people in jail for a long time for violating the conditions. In Spain and France, you can legally be in birthday suits on public beaches. In Germany, you can legally drive YOUR car as fast as you want, although that law has been more restricted in the last year or so. Limited to certain areas of the country. Teenage people can legally drink beer in most countries in Europe as well, even inside restaurants. Compare those examples to the USA, a nation of supposed freedom and rights and the greatest country on Earth.
The "Bill of Rights" in the USA Constitution is a misnomer. In fact, rarely have any of your ideals, that you go overseas and kill thousands to preserve, have ever been practiced in the USA.
no excessive bails, punishments, and jail time imposed? Obviously that is inaccurate
A speedy trial, all Americans are equal under the law and innocent until proven guilty? Nope
the right to bear arms? not without conditions and not every American has the right to own a gun or choose his weapons. So this "Right" is not true either.
The Right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances? What is the point in exercising this right if your politicians ignore the will of the people.
Right to not quarter soldiers? Ok perhaps this is one only true right Americans have.
What freedoms do Americans have really? City ordinances outlaw most acts that people consider their right to do and what you profess to the world as "free country." For example, although you may think you own your land, you really do not. You pay taxes each year on something that supposedly belongs to you. Plus, you don't have the right to have whatever you want on your land. You don't even have the right to decide what pet you want to own either.
Yes there are nations with less freedom than in the USA but there are nations more free than yours.
PJD: "Some exerpts of Roosevelts speech are below. Can we even imagine ANY US politician never mind the President, saying these things today????"
In answer to your question, I am certain the American people would give a resounding "NO!" that would be louder the Krakatoa. The bizarre contradiction is, they'll nevertheless elect one of several poor choices to fill in Bush's seat 17 months from now. What a riddle.
They never ask me.
I would've said:
I'd rather be elsewhere.
Love it or leave it. I'd love to leave it. Will they pay me to leave because I can't afford to leave and they are making it hard to leave between getting the passport and the sinking dollar.
Maybe that isn't the answer they are looking for and maybe they wouldn't print it.
Hi Pierre, As always, wonderful analysis, am a bit baffled by what you mean by your last sentence,
Bush will soon be gone. Not so the fatal assumption that to be an American is to be the world
It seems to me that to be an American, as you sort of point out, is to be selfish, isolated, triumphalist, and delusional about our so called freedom. What does " to be the world" mean?
What it means to be an American, today, is having the ability to delude oneself completely in the face of overwhelming facts. We're not the greediest, the fattest, the most polluting, the most arrogant, the biggest death toy dealers, the worst manufacturers, the least healthy, deeply racist, or incredibly full of ourselves. Nor did we allow our government to be stolen by a tiny band of ruthless neonuts, the leader of which claims to talk directly to some God who apparently wanted over a million innocent Iraqis killed or wounded for some reason.
Nope - we're number #1. Get over it.
Right on Vern: What about "ideological asylum?" If a country's political situation is such that certain people are persecuted for their activities and beliefs, couldn't the same be said for those who cannot live the life they aspire to - socially and ideologically? If certain country's around the world will take in people who can adequately prove that they are being persecuted for their political beliefs, why can't they take in people who are effectively being silenced and economically terrorized as a result of their intentions to lead a life that does not support the economic agenda of the home country?
I think if you or I or anyone else can put together a document that make it blatantly clear that we could not, under any normal circumstances, survive living the lifestyle we see as ideal, and there is a country in which our ideals clearly match, we should be able to apply for "ideological asylum."
What do you think people? Let's do it. Let's draw up the idea and send it to the United Nations!
"Not so the fatal assumption that to be an American is to be the world."
I think this mean much the same as "man is the measure of all things." = prothagoras
Americans believe that the United States is that againsts which all is compared (or measured) ... which is reflective of our xenophobic, incurious, poorly educated culture.
I'm not sure who can answer this question with relevance ... certainly a member of the "land of opportunity" to achieve fame and fortune, both financially and artistically, has changed somewhat or to a great deal depending ... the certainty of "doing better financially than one's parents" with some reasonable effort applied has changed ... "Working hard and earning a comfortable life" has changed although I think most Americans consciously or otherwise continue to blame the less fortunate AND THEMSELVES for their lot.
By many standards, America has always been a crudely materialistic place ... the puritans, shakers and trancendentalists aside. Bigger, brighter, faster, louder and the pursuit of same may well be our consumerist credo.
I'd love to know how "youth" and our immigrant enclaves would answer. I'm doubtful that "all men being created equal" and/or "liberty and justice for all" figure nearly as prominently as they did when I was young and the generation that fought WWII and escaped European poverty, prejudice and war was everywhere to be seen and heard, telling their stories.
PJD, You sound like me when I'm drunk. Maybe we all need to get loaded (without playing with shotguns).
"Not so the fatal assumption that to be an American is to be the world"
I think what he means by this is that Americans consider the whole world to revolve around them and their desires - a sort of infantile narcissism.
This is illustrated, BTW, in the very way US citizens call themselves "Americans" while everyone else on these continents are called "Canadians" or "Venezuelans" or "Brazilians" or "Mexicans" etc...
Latin Ameicans take genuine umbrage at Gringos exclusively calling themselves "American" They refer "Norteamericano" or "Estadounidese". I prefer "USAn", pronounced "yoosan".
QUOTE:
Nietzsche August 2nd, 2007 1:51 pm
Everybody here has the brains and the morality needed for change but who is listening? Like Shane says we have to get their attention.
END QUOTE
Let me be blunt about it: The reality is that "they" (meaning the Bush Crime Family, Repugs and Bush-Enabling Dems) don't give a fuk what "we" think. Period. And I really don't know how much more evidence one needs to see to understand that. It's as clear as day after 6.5+ years.
Oh they will posture, charade and engage in theatre to pretend they care with their empty hollow rhetoric and political-speak and hot air and claim they want to hear and "care very deeply" about what "we" think, but in the end they turn right around and do whatever they damn well please for Dictators George W Bush and Dick Cheney and the rest of the Bush Crime Family.
And even after all of this, some so-called "progressives" fall all over these worthless, scum of the earth Bush-Enabling Dems and make excuses for them and apologize for them, put them up on some damn pedestal and worship the ground they walk on...in many cases simply because the politician has a "D" behind their name.
Screw that!
"PJD, You sound like me when I'm drunk."
Yes, my wife says the same thing. I can't even start a rant anymore without her nagging "You've been drinking haven't you!"
She is a good feminist, and feminists are always anti-drinking. Ever wonder why the 19th and 20th amendments were introduced and ratified so close together?
Can't blame them, until recently, the history of my neck of the woods was men coming out of the mills and mines, blowing the paycheck or company scrip in a bar, then going home to take out their misery on their wives.
"freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose" me and bobby mcgee, kris kristofferson
crcox:
hate to ruin your fun,
but i cannot think of one country which
would take in an
american...
'n
i have lived around the world
a bit..
'n
i am too goddam old..
gonna ride it out, maybe
have a little fun
ken
actually, that's brings up something that was considered quintessentially "american" when I was growing up -- that a "man's house is his castle" ...
which is a concept that has been eroded SEVERELY in the last 20 years ... both legally and socially. The War on (some) drugs made big dents in privacy and probable cause ... and this crazy mommy-culture (I don't know what to call it) in which SOME people believe in it their DUTY to report their neighbors on the basis of vague "suspicions" and to use the social network system to assuage their anxieties... as far as I can tell.
When I was growing up, calling the cops meant blood had either been spilled or was about to ... no one would lightly unleash the cops or child protective services on anyone -- anyone -- unless absolutely necessary. Of course, back then we knew our neighbors... and they believed in leaving well enough alone except in extreme circumstances (which did occur and were dealt with usually after conferring with other neighbors)>
reporter: what does it mean to be an american?
answer 1: it means freedom...
answer 2: it means freedom...
answer 3: it means freedom.......
answer 56: it means freedom.....
answer 300: it means freedom...
freedom is conformist authoritarianism. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. at least for us USans.
good point
I've lived as an expatriot myself, and I can say for certain that there are other countries, countries that do fit at least my own vision of a more democratic society, where an American who is clearly against the direction America has taken, would easily gain asylum of an ideological nature, if it indeed existed. American's are not hated for the most part. AMERICA is hated. Americans just have to spend a little more time convincing people in other countries that we are not tyrannical capitalists who are there to buy up property to turn a profit, etc, etc.
When I was in Hungary, I was running with the underground radicals in a matter of days. It was beautiful!
Sorry, forgot to say that my previous post was meant for "kengarjagalouski"
erma, I know they don't care. What I meant by "Get their attention" was "Make them an offer they can't refuse."
The thing about freedom is that, without a settled inner intelligence to function as a guide, sometimes freedom causes the ship to run aground. It's the same thing as wealth without intelligence, like a powerful car with weak brakes and a sloppy suspension system. It can't be controlled. (Funnily enough, US-made cars were typically like that some years ago.)
The US experiment has run amock for that very imbalance, and now in order to maintain order, the powers have decided to limit freedom. And the corporate/industrial/consumerist monolith began the process of indoctrination years ago, giving rise to the consumer life which many people endure.
The most significant freedom is freedom of thought. With that, one can go anywhere, so to speak. Though the educational system does not cultivate creative thinking and critical thinking, for some people those are innate abilities.
Many people value security above all else today—especially in light of the events of the past several years. The essential trick is to manage the diversity of society without cramping diversity.
There's lots of room for discussion here.
don't forget that the 24/7 fear mongering began -- in my memory -- back with Nixon and the War on Drugs or Crime or both -- where parents were to surveil their children and Neighborhood Watch was to report any "strangers" ...
one might argue that the Red Scare even preceeded that ...
I do think that television plays a big role ... but it wasn't until the mid to late 1950s when an individual had 24/7 media plug-in -- radio, television, newspapers, magazines. Eventually, the number of channels increased and the reception improved and TV becames better and easier to watch, but -- as is often cited -- it really wasn't until the Kennedy Assasination 4 days of continuous coverage, that "the nation" watched history unfold en mass on TV.
Anyhow -- I don't think our sense of security was so much a matter "blissful ignorance" as a sense of proportion ... bad things might happen -- a crazy person or a robber or criminal in hiding -- but daily life was pretty dull -- not filled with government sponsored forboding and anxiety.
"Freedom of Religion?
Just ask a muslim, or a professed athiest, how free they feel…"
boy do i know that, as an atheist i sure don't feel free at all to express any of my views in public.
godless, I wouldn't try it. My religious views are unconventional, and unless somebody asks, I say nothing.
"Freedom of Religion"
I've long thought this was an oxymoron. But then, the oxymoronic is so very Yankee.
Pierre has written a good essay and has uncovered a truth that lies buried beneath the many slogans and rhetoric all Americans have been bombarded with since kindergarten. Americans may not be sent to a Siberia(yet), nor are they forced to go the a Christian Church (Opus Dei exception). However, try placing a poster in a public park that says "impeach Bush, Cheney, Gonzo and imprison Rove and Libby. What more Americans need to do is try out their Declaration of Liberties and see how far they get. Of course, you might lose your job and if fired from Walmart, you may never work again. We live in a America that is filled with lies. America is now all bought up (CNN chief owns "millions of acres" in New Mexico, and the average bloke has no more rights than a North Korean.
Great comments by all of you! Some are long, and some are terse but the important fact is the concern we all share about restoring this country before the Bush/Cheney Republican (and the Democratic collaborators) stole two elections, and are out to destroy OUR country as they have been doing these past six and a half years.
"Civil disobedience is not the problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience...Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty". Howard Zinn
Are we gonna continue to B.S. with each other, or, like curmudgeon99 says, "take to the streets", in the manner of Gandhi?
"take to the streets, withhold your labor", (peacefully), and start the General Strike by all people who work for a living. With a focus on a better world for all "planetarians" (is this a word?) on the order of a siouxrose/spiritual quest. Not organized religion, but true universal law. It can be done. It MUST be done. The real Brotherhood of man, and women (I aint' leavin' ya' out, Erma). The false nationalisms that pit strangers against each other in order to legalize murder which they call "war", so they and their cronies can stay in power and make more money has got to stop.
JOHNNY GOT HIS GUN, written by Dalton Trumbo, should be required reading before youngsters receive a high school diploma, in my opinion.
The September 11th work stoppage sounds like a good starter.
figures the comments start off with how little freedom of speech we have and ends with the oxymoron of religious freedom. the point of the article, to me, is that we are not a progressively free country, but a conformist free country. as long as you follow the herd you have all the freedom you want. but if you want to disagree with wealth and power then you may have a tough time feeling free. this country was established through genocide because of greed. when the constitution and bill of rights were written blacks were three-fifhts of a person and women had no voting rights. sorry, no social security either. despite the lurches toward more uniform liberties, economic stratification is as strong as it has always been. and while bigotry and racism may not be as out in the open as it once was, don't believe it has disappeared. as soon as we killed the non-conformists living here we moved on to the rest of the world and spend a trillion a year doing it. if you think that nobody in power is listening to the anti-war movement now, think of how it was four years ago. what kind of world will my kids inherit? dont have kids. i want to be an atheist, but people will persecute me. if you do not believe in the legend of jesus, why call yourself an atheist: it only gives credence to the idea of religion. like shane said, we need to get their attention. they know we are there, but dont give a shit. as the world gets more populated and resources become scarce things will only get worse. 250 years ago there were resources a'plenty and we killed people a'plenty so things probably won't change much now. what does it mean to be an amerikan? just thinking about it makes me so proud it brings tears to my eyes. quit collectively whining, get organized, change things, get on with life and do the best you can. obama has lucid days...or does p.t. just have days were he temporarily loses his mind.
I see myself as an American who was always proud to be so. I served my country for 23years and was proud to do so. I raised my children to believe, that as Americans we were the both the most fortunate and the best and to never, ever, trod on those who were less fortunate, __help them. Whenever I returned home from a long tour in foriegn lands, I was so silently proud to fly over and see the Golden Gate bridge or the Statue of Liberty.
Now that I'm much older, I'm so ashamed.
The hollowness of the word "freedom" is akin to that of "choice". As an example, today I heard on the radio the words of the poor husband of a woman who disappeared into the Mississippi when the bridge fell. He said his wife had made a "choice" (to drive across the bridge on that fateful moment) and that he supported her choice. "Choose" has become a new auxiliary verb as in "choose to go" or "choose to eat" that adds nothing semantically to stating simply "to go" or "to eat". Well, perhaps its purpose is to make people feel free, particularly coupled with the exceptional notion that only Americans have the freedom to unknowingly choose to cross a bridge to their death.
Daniel Smythe - like a lot of non-Yankees, I think you have a view of America that is a bad blend of fact and fiction. Man, I can't hold it against you ...I wouldn't know the first thing about Australians other than that they've got something of a ghoul for a leader too. My friend, I'll try to set you straight:
First, no Americans cower in fear under Bush. Americans tend not to cower in fear. As you know, even bullied schoolchildren tote guns. It's apathy that's got us by the innards. Fear keeps us excited, but apathy keeps us from doing anything about it.
Second, a point that's often made on this website, El Presidente's cadre of scum and villainy does not do what they think is good for this country or any country. They do what's good for them, which (to the psychopath) IS good for all. They care nothing for you, me, or little babies anywhere. Please understand that 99.99% of Americans are on the losing end of this deal.
Third, the Constitution is only a document and documents can always be bent and misrepresented. Changing it matters naught. The key is that we Yankees need to, as we used to say about other countries, "learn how to elect good men (and women)."
As for the nukes thing, my man you are spot on. If we should be scared of anything (besides Global Warming), it's this. Goddamn crazy that they want to build MORE!
Hey, Stilba, I have a lot of American friends who visit my blog and many of them are scared. I have also participated in many American blogs and noted the signs of fear, a fear which is stopping Americans marching on the White House and getting rid of their corrupt fascist government.
My friend, many people in the world know a lot about America and are fearful. Please put your house in order!
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Pierre:
What a great analysis. Bush is not a disease; he is a mere symptom of a disease, a lethal disease for that matter. American experiment set in the vastness of great continent with "unlimited" resources and protected by two oceans has run its course. The borders are closed and oceans became small ponds. The only thing left is inertia of overbuilt ship of state, navigated by over pampered adolescents, who are harvesting bitter fruits planted by their elders.
There is nothing unusual in such a situation; history is littered with great Empires, crumbling down in the life span of couple generations. Since Four Freedom speech 76 years has passed and we live in drastically different country without recognizing it. Hence success of Agitprop in convincing people that they live in the same country as our Founding Fathers. When Soviet people finally realized in 1991 that theirs was not a country born in Russian Revolution, the whole empty shell of "mighty" Soviet Union disappeared without as much as a hiss. And do not tell me that Soviet people did not have freedom of speech, they did. They were not listened to the same way as USAns to-day and yesterday. So, just wait when the Big Wave of opening eyes comes in.
Tsunami usually preceded by ante-wave that bare coastal areas, displaying old structures normally hidden underneath ocean surface. Bush and his junta IS such an ante-wave that exposed mechanics of an old edifice called "Bastion of Democracy". It sure sign that the Big Wave is coming. Enjoy it and be prepared.