In the months leading up to President Bush’s ill-fated invasion of Iraq, I traveled around the world speaking to various international groups, including many parliamentary assemblies. I spoke about democracy and the need of any nation or group of nations espousing democracy as a standard to embrace the ideals and values of justice and due process in accordance with the rule of law. I spoke of international law, especially as it was manifested in the charter of the United Nations (a document signed and adopted by all of the countries I visited).Invariably, my presentation focused on the nation in question, whether it was Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Japan or Great Britain, and the status of its relationship with the United States. As an American, I said, I appreciated each nation’s embrace of the United States as a friend and ally. However, as a strong believer in the rule of law, I deplored the trend among America’s so-called friends to facilitate a needless confrontation which would severely harm the U.S. in the long run. These nations were hesitant to stand up to the United States even though they knew the course of action planned for Iraq was wrong.
Such permissive submission was deplorable, and invariably led to a comment from me about the status of genuine sovereignty in the face of American imperial power. If a nation was incapable of defending its sovereign values and interests, then it should simply acknowledge its status as a colony of the United States, pull down its disgraced national flag and raise the Stars and Stripes.
Now the tables have turned. Americans, through the will of the people as expressed in the November 2006 election, voiced their dissatisfaction with the conduct of the American war in Iraq, and empowered a new Democratic-controlled Congress to reassert itself as a separate but equal branch of government-especially when it came to matters pertaining to war and the threat of war.
This new Democratic leadership has failed egregiously. Not only has the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, been unable to orchestrate any meaningful legislation to bring the war in Iraq to an end, but in mid-March she carelessly greased the tracks for a whole new conflict. By excising language from a defense appropriations bill which would have required President Bush to seek the approval of Congress prior to initiating any military attack on Iran, Pelosi terminated any hope of slowing down the Bush administration’s mad rush to war.
Despite the fact that Congress was only stating through this language a simple reflection of constitutional mandate, Speaker Pelosi and others felt that the inclusion of such verbiage put the security of the state of Israel at risk by eliminating important “policy options” for the president of the United States. In short, Israeli national security interests trumped the Constitution of the United States.
I consider myself to be a friend of Israel, a status which has been demonstrated repeatedly through words and deeds from January-February 1991, when I was involved in the effort to stop Iraq Scud missiles from striking Israel during the 1991Gulf War, to the period between October 1994 and June 1998 when I served as the lead liaison between the United Nations weapons inspectors and Israeli intelligence, working to find a final accounting of Iraq’s proscribed weapons of mass destruction. I know only too well the precarious reality of Israel’s security situation, and am sympathetic to its need to proactively deal with threats before they manifest themselves in a manner which threatens Israel’s ability to survive as a nation-state.
However, as an American who served on active duty in time of war as an officer of Marines, I also remember the oath I took to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” As such, I am troubled by the recent actions of Speaker Pelosi and other members of Congress who have not only abrogated their collective responsibility to uphold and defend the Constitution but have taken actions which, under normal circumstances and involving any other nation, would border on treasonous. Our collective duty as Americans must center on defending the very document, the Constitution, which defines who we are and what we are as a people and a nation. To have our elected representatives flagrantly push aside their constitutional responsibilities in the name of the security interests of another nation is unthinkable. And yet it has just happened, apparently without consequence.
Sadly, the new Democratic Congress has cemented its status as yet another iteration of a system which long ago sold its soul to special interests. Democrats can cackle about Republican scandals, including the Jack Abramoff affair, which brought down Rep. Tom DeLay among others. But history will show that the Pelosi-led sellout to Israeli special interests endangered the viability and security of America as a sovereign state governed by the rule of law more than Jack Abramoff ever could.
In this time of constitutional crisis, the American people need to wake up and demand that the basic tenets of the Constitution be adhered to. Congress is solely empowered by the Constitution to declare war. Demanding that the president of the United States adhere to this prerequisite is a logical and patriotic stance. Allowing any non-American interest, even one possessing such highly charged political and emotional sensitivities as Israel, to dictate otherwise represents nothing more than a capitulation of sovereignty. We the people need to rally around this defense of sovereignty. We must demand not only that Congress reassert its constitutional responsibilities and authority by demanding the president obey the letter of the law when it comes to war, whether against Iran or any other nation, but also to place in check the anti-American activities of one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, D.C., the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee.
For decades AIPAC has operated in the shadows of American foreign policy decision-making, exerting its influence on elected officials away from the public scrutiny of the very constituents who elected those officials to begin with. It is impossible to hold someone accountable for actions that are kept secret, and as such AIPAC’s ability to secretly influence American foreign and national security policies represents a flagrant insult and threat to the very essence of American democracy. I am not advocating the dissolution of AIPAC. However, I am demanding that AIPAC be treated as any other representative of a foreign nation is treated. It should have to register as an agent of a foreign power so that the totality of its interactions with American officials can become a part of the public record. We require this of all other nations, including our good friends the British.
To state that AIPAC, and by extension Israel, is above the law in this regard is to acknowledge the reality that American national sovereignty no longer matters when it comes to the state of Israel. So be it. But then we are, collectively, no better than those nations I mocked prior to the invasion of Iraq in 2003 as “colonies” of the United States. So if we are to continue to permit AIPAC to operate as an undeclared agent of a foreign nation, and to influence American foreign and national security policymaking at the expense of our Constitution, then we should acknowledge our true status as nothing more than a colony of Israel, pull down the Stars and Stripes and raise the Star of David over our nation’s capitol. While representing the final act of submission, it would also be the first truly honest act that occurred in Washington, D.C., in many years.
Scott Ritter is a former UN weapons inspector in Iraq, 1991-1998, and author of ‘Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of America’s Intelligence Conspiracy’
Well done for demonstrating that a) AIPAC is the agent of a foreign power - one that kills children UN Peacekeepers on purpose and that b) you can declare yourself a friend of Israel as Ritter does here and STILL be extremely critical of it.
I would not call myself a friend of Israel, but I would not want to see it wiped off the map because that would involve the kind of mass murder Israel itself has been guilty of. But you would have to be blind (ie a leading Republican or Democrat politician/presidential candidate) to not see that Israels policies are only more and more likely to insure its destruction. This also makes the decline of the American empire inevitable (it is inevitable anyway) but more and more dangerous to its own citizens.
Truth be told if a politician came out and said that they were going to start cutting off the goods (the billions in arms and cash the government spends each year on Israel) unless they really start talking peace then maybe some people might vote for that and other politicians on the other side might commit to the same.
It is interesting that Ritter uses the argument - again needed more frequently - that AIPAC’s actions are an affront to the American constituion - I don’t think that bothers leading Reps or Dems, as much as who may or may not provide them with funds. I don’t mean the ‘Jewish lobby’ which is some anti-semitic myth, but right wing establishment corporations and organisations who perceive a candidate’s stance on Israel as a windsock of their crazy right wong nuttiness - the more pro-Israel the more right wing and therefore the more likely to get big business cash.
Ritter sings a song long sought for in America - a simple song of truth, and one not listened to by politicians for fear of losing one of their primary sources of campaign money. Many Americans who rally to the emotional strains sirened from AIPAC
don’t realize that there is a broad spectrum of views, often divisive, in Israel itself concerning foreign policy issues, especially those related to the Palestinian question. We buy AIPAC’s line because it has unprecedented press connections in this country - those dissenting voices in Israel itself do not.
Ritter is absolutely correct. If we desire to fulfill our destiny as a sovereign nation we cannot let the political / financial machinations of a foreign power control our political process. Sadly, at this point, it does.
Well, it can’t be long now before the Simon Wiesenthal Centre attack dogs start calling Mr. Ritter an anti-semite. Or maybe Mr. Ritter will just be confused, like poor old Jimmy Carter.
That said, their seems to be a growing awareness, and a growing ability to speak out about the undue influence that some Israeli lobby groups have in Washington. I think many thanks are due to John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt for bringing this issue to the fore last year when they published their paper “The Israel Lobby”. If you’ve not read it, you can find it at:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
However, all of that having been said. I’m prone to the very cynical view that Nancy Pelosi is removing the explicit requirement for congressional approval to attack Iran from the bill so as to provide Bush with additonal rope to hang himself (again?). If Bush attacks Iran the GOP will take it on the chin, again, and it could be decades before they gain a presidency or house or senate majority (this, of course, is not a bad thing IMHO). However, the price would be Iranian blood.
A requirement for congressional approval would only be a problem if imminent and violent action were expected from Iran and delays in coming to the defence of Israel could not be tolerated. This of course, is not at all the case. The Iranians are years away from developing a nuclear weapon (if ever), and I think we all know they are not about to initiate a war with 2 carrier groups in the gulf and a 3rd on the way.
It is encouraging for a person with Ritter’s credentials to say publicly what many of us have known for a long time, that the policies of the US government are subservient to the needs of Israel. It is impossible not to suspect that our elected officials are bought and paid for by Jewish money. Not that Israel is the only one to purchase favors, since the behavior of our elected officials is clearly paid for by others seeking personal gain, the nation be damned.It would be encouraging to believe that a significant percentage of politicians are honest, but that would also suggest that the Easter bunny is the one at the White House that lays all those eggs…
As Ritter indicates, many Americans now suspect that all is not what it seems regarding who is pulling the strings behind the Bush-Cheney administration.
Is it oil companies? Other nations who are supposedly “allies” and their operatives within the US? War profiteers? All of the above?
Our nation is in danger from enemies foreign and domestic. Food for thought at:
“Mind Wars: Americans, global community are targets of deception on Iraq, threats to peace”
PopulistAmerica.com
October 5, 2006
http://www.populistamerica.com/mind_wars
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“‘Mistakes’ or ‘plans’ in Iraq, War on Terror?”
PopulistAmerica.com
February 12, 2007
http://www.populistamerica.com/mistakes_or_plans_in_ir aq_war_on_terror
This article almost amazes me. I had thought that Americans were all cowed into submission, fearful of accusations of anti-Semitism.
They are, of course, but Mr. Ritter is a very courageous man. His fear of retribution was finally overtaken by his realization that we’re trading our nation’s welfare in exchange for…not being called anti-Semitic.
If putting my country first makes me anti-Semitic, please put me at the front of the line of anti-Semites. I accept that epithet, and I wear it as a badge signifying my intelligence and courage.
We need to de-fang the anti-Semite epithet, and I can find no better way than to gradually swallow the poison until I become immune.
Tastes nasty, though.
To those Jews who may be reading this, I mean you no harm. I just want to be free to act in the best interests of my country, my people, and my culture. Surely you understand this, right?
This is how it works: The US helps Israel with the US taxpayers’ money to the tune of $3,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000 annually. About half of that amount goes to Israel in the form of arms; the other half is in cash. A large amount of that cash routes back to various Jewish organizations in the US such as the influential lobby called the American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC). This lobby spends the US taxpayers’ money during elections to influence election outcomes by contributing campaign funds only to those individuals who are, or who promise to act as, friends of Israel. In other words, they will be in the pocket of Israel. Have you not heard what these people say when they are running for office? I have heard this so many times that it makes me sick. This is what they invariably say: My first priority is the security of Israel. Wait a minute! Are they running for office in Israel, or running here to protect the security and the interests of the American people. Under these circumstances how can anyone expect these so-called people’s representatives act in the interest of the American people?
While I agree with Mr. Ritter that AIPAC should register as te agent of a foreign government (Joe Leiberman too for that matter), but I do not think the tail is wagging the dog. Israel is our colony and couldn’t exist for long without our financial underwriting and support. They do much of our dirtywork and take much blame as our scapegoat but much of what they do is done at the behest of our national security state. They do get some leeway (along with a wink and a nod from Washington) to expand settlements and massacre Palestinians but most of the big decisions including the recent aggression against Lebanon are made by our own government. It is ultimately we as a nation who oppress Palestinians. It is ultimately we who hold the puppet strings on our Zionist marrionette. That’s why along with our support of the Ibn Saud mafia we were attacked on September 11.
The working URL link to an article mentioned that dovetails with some of Ritter’s points is below:
“‘Mistakes’ or ‘plans’ in Iraq, War on Terror?”
PopulistAmerica.com
February 12, 2007
http://www.populistamerica.com/mistakes_or_plans_in_iraq_war_on_terror
OutBeltway, you said, “To those Jews who may be reading this, I mean you no harm. I just want to be free to act in the best interests of my country, my people, and my culture” - this is kind of the point - that as well as defending the USA by suppressing the machinations of AIPAC we would be actually helping defend Israel in the long run. I think what you said is the standard thing we all have to say in these times - please don’t call me an anti-semite for speaking my mind and not supporting Israel’s right to strafe children to death with US made and provided ammunition.
And as Odoco just commented there is a spectrum of views among Israeli Jews on the question. Israel is a democracy like the US (and Britain and Canada and etc) - that is, not a democracy at all - and therefore these voices are only heard through popular anti-war, anti-establishment street demonstrations and some newspaper columns. Most Israelis would welcome peace as that means a Palestinian State that means they want that as well. Not what any Israeli cabinet member in history has wanted and not what AIPAC wants.
So let’s hope someone with more clout than Ritter can grasp the nettle and speak out about AIPAC so that a Palestinian State can be formed. I don’t care if Israeli politicians live or die but I don’t see why oridnary Jews or Palestinians should suffer becuase of them.
As a ‘boomer indoctrinated with the lesson of the holocaust I’ve tried mightily all my life to be objective and fair concerning the Jewish people and Israel. It gets harder every day. How ironic that the majority of peace-loving reasonable American Jews (according to polls) can be cowed and silenced by a fanatical faction not dissimilar to the Nazis.
Tell all the folks who work at making killing devices for international supply. All those planes, missiles, tanks, etc, that they cant have jobs anymore because you are sick and tired of US foreign policy being hijacked by pro-zionist intellectuals and pro-Greed Americans.
They will never understand, its just too complex. Thats why the GOP can always subvert the genuine (or otherwise) Dem efforts to reign in the inappropriate use of collective violence with the simplest retorts.
The Dem’s failure to deal with the Iraq war as an issue of red-alert priority will be to their future infamy.
How can America claim to be a democracy when the peoples popualr will is not reflected in policy.
If the Dems had a genuine interest in turning Iraq’s fortunes around they would
1) Educate America about the need to change policy.
2) Go for broke on legislation
3) Be willing to take the consequences.
Do I mean ‘end the war’? Not at all, but the Dems dont even force Bush to justify it, they wont even force him to stick to the findings of a report that Bush himself commissioned, the Baker-Hamilton report.
The Dems fear being labeled the ‘Party that lost Iraq’, and so this year the number of Iraq dead will pass 1,000,000 because of Iraq being treated now as a political football.
There is blood on Dem hands.
I’m afraid that Zionism turns most American Jews into “good Germans.” The same is true of all nationalisms including our own but the irony is particularly sad here.
everyone should ask this question to potentialpresidential candidates:
Why is there a need to go to Israel to campaign for presidency? These candidates, save for Obama, have been to Israel more times to campaign than they did for Chicago, or any other major US cities.
Makes you wonder whether these folks are running for the United States of America or the United States of Israel.
Exactly Ahro. If a head of state of another country mentions any aspect of internal politics during an election campaign, the contenders get all pissy. But it is okay for AIPAC to weigh in with their opinions and for the candidates to campaign in Israel. It’s insane.
It seems insane the amount of money the US spends on Israel. It gives more in aid to Israel than any other recipient of foreign aid. I don’t mean per capita - I mean in total cash/weapons/loans, Israel gets more than India.
What does the US get in return? A military base? Well, they can use Kuwait if they want that. Oil? Saudi Arabia and Kuwait provide that. A stooge against pan-Arabism? Turkey can do that for the US. What Israel represents is a ready made enemy for the Arab world. Iran is no good because after
the Iranians got rid of the US puppet regime and wouldn’t play ball any more the US got all annoyed. So Israel is a country which they can arm and which occupies or attacks its neighbours every ten years or so. This means the Arab world is dominated by their own military budgets and thus relies on strong arm dictators/regimes. Some of these we love (cuddly old Saudi Arabia, so friendly and nice when they cut off people’s hands), some we hate (nasty Syria, always keeping the peace in Lebanon, curse them!)
The myth is that Israel is America’s peacekeeper in the region. It is the guarantee of conflict in the region which allows America to get its nose where the oil is and act all important. It also allows a LOT of weapons to be sold which is exactly what the people who control American government want.
Good one Mr. Ritter!
Which Israeli would sacrifice Israel for the USA? Which Americans should feel obliged to sacrifice the US for Israel?
If we discount the guilt trip, fostered by boughten American Politicians and their Israeli buyers, we should have no qualms about putting the USA first.
Change out the politicans who are for sale; and, make the attempt to buy our politicians a capital crime.
Hold it right there, everybody. Israel has never sworn to uphold the US constitution, so it is really stupid (and anti-Semitic) to blame Israel for American policy. Israel is not committed to American sovereignty. Why should it be? Israel, for obvious reasons, is committed to the survival of its people, and while we may argue with its tactics, we can’t argue that is has been successful, at least in the short term. When your survival is at stake, I suppose the short term is as far into the future as you need to see.
US policy has pitted against each other two oppressed peoples, namely, the Israelis and the Palestinians, to further its own aims, which until recently included anti-communism, but now is about the same geopolitical set of objectives as it always has been, just minus the communism. You could probably also make a case that anti-communism wasn’t really about communism.
US policy in Israel has never, ever, really been about Israel. US (i.e. corporate capitalism’s) concern for the Jews, although exploited by Israelis (backed by American Jews), has been the most cynical of figleafs. US policy has been about US domination of global resources, for reasons that have much to do with racism and greed.
Just because Israel has decided to use US policy, including the racism and the greed, for its own ends, that doesn’t make the threat to the US Constitution Israel’s fault.
It’s our fault, friends. Not theirs. Why should they give us our Constitution back? That’s our job.
2cents April 13th, 2007 12:31 pm
“However, all of that having been said. I’m prone to the very cynical view that Nancy Pelosi is removing the explicit requirement for congressional approval to attack Iran from the bill so as to provide Bush with additonal rope to hang himself (again?). If Bush attacks Iran the GOP will take it on the chin, again, and it could be decades before they gain a presidency or house or senate majority (this, of course, is not a bad thing IMHO). However, the price would be Iranian blood.”
If Bush attacks Iran we may all take it on the chin because it could start WWIII. That is way too dangerous a game to be playing for political gain.
Not to mention the fact that no one needs to give Bush any more rope, he has already committed impeachable offenses. All that is needed is a Congress with the cojones to do their constitutional duty and remove him from office.
Lobo Gris
“…I also remember the oath I took to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”
The Bush administration has unequivocally violated and undermined the Constitution and the Bill of Rights over and over again. Which would deem said administration a “domestic enemy” of the Constitution, yes?
Not only that, but the FISA law specifically allows for the arrest and prosecution of any violators, INCLUDING A SITTING PRESIDENT. And George still brags about ignoring that one.
Gitmo. 5 million missing emails. 12 billion missing in cash. Abu Ghraib. Renditions. Secret CIA torture chambers. Detention without representation or Habeas Corpus rights. Katrina. 7-fold increase in terrorist risk. Rape of our Treasury future generations will suffer.
Well, Marines? Army? What the hell are you guys waiting for? Pick one and do your duty!!! Is Iraq really a greater threat to our Constitution than Cheney/Rove/Rice/Chertoff/Gonzalez et al? Really? Is it?
I think that Ritter’s approach that the politicians prostrations before AIPAC represent an abdication of US sovereignty is not quite correct. The actual situation is more complex in that AIPAC and the conservative leadership of Israel are agents of US imperialist interests and compromise Isreal’s sovereignty as well. Isreal can practically be called a 51st US state.
Even the proportedly left-of-center Isreali paper Ha’aretz has a “Panel” that reports in a weekly column which US presidential candidate is “best for Israel” The panel especially likes the right-wing ones - Newt Gingritch was one of their favorites and he isn’t even a candidate (yet).
I think it was Gush Shalom’s Uri Averny who wrote that mutual interests of both tail and dog are wagging each other.
“Well, Marines? Army? What the hell are you guys waiting for? Pick one and do your duty!!! Is Iraq really a greater threat to our Constitution than Cheney/Rove/Rice/Chertoff/Gonzalez et al? Really? Is it?”
Yes, we WILL need the military to help us throw the bums out and build a new government. Recall in Venezuela 5 years ago, that for all the massive street protest, ultimately it was only because the military turned against the coup that Chavez and the Bolivarian government was restored.
Just more evidence of the corruption of our US government. I was raised to care about Israel’s survival. Now, I think that if they do not let the Palestinian people have their own state and tear down that wall, we will be kowtowing to AIPAC forever. Ask your congressperson if they support AIPAC. If they do, vote the bum out next election no matter if they are republican or democrat. We need representatives that represent us and our constitution.
I have felt for a long time that Israel is the 51st state. My state does not get as much money as Israel does. Where’s ours?
I refuse to vote for any candidate that is buying the AIPAC line be they presidential, senatorial or congressional candate.
I have long admired Scott Ritter and still do. He is a true American citizen.
Scott Ritter’s civic evolution is a case-study in responsibility that makes current “policymakers” world’s look like black holes. This laser-sharp clarity is one of the few rays of hope as we witness the horrors of the current state of affairs with exponentially increasing desperation at the absurd folly of our corrupt-to-the-core “democracy” and the seemingly unavoidable repeated spectacle of another major election cycle on the way, bringing another gang of smiling compromised hypocrites center stage (The White House).
What to do, what to do? - The gnawing question consuming so much more of so many thinking people’s lives than reasonably justifiable by any measure of balance and sanity.
If you can’t beat ‘em (at their own game) why not join them - say, use the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force transposed to campaign financing to the tune of a couple of billion from the likes of billionaires like George Soros and friends to put a ticket of Bill Moyers & Scott Ritter as Co-Presidents into the White House in ‘08? Sound like a Plan? A pipe dream?
Thom Hartmann - might you second that motion?
Jaded Prole April 13th, 2007 1:18 pm-
***I’m afraid that Zionism turns most American Jews into “good Germans.” The same is true of all nationalisms including our own but the irony is particularly sad here***
This is very sad indeed!
I find Scott’s article to be an excellent expose, with the camels’ nose in the tent, but he fails to make one very important and necessary distinction. Rabbinical Jews and the militancy of Jewish Zionism are diametrically opposed to one another, the rabbinical voices consistently muzzled, with slogans like; oh…they’re just Jews that hate themselves. I hope that Scott, will do a follow-up to focus attention on this distinction. Because the specter of anti-Semitism, driven by this militancy is what inflames and stigmatizes all Jews.
On the hand, we then have the virulent Father Pat Robertson whispering prophetic innuendos into the right ear of crusader Bush, while he clutches the militant spear of Zionism in the other.
Perhaps we can draw some important conclusions regarding this point by viewing the following clip of Ahmadinejad meeting with Rabbinical Jews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xA1DbBAcOQ
It certainly does not fit the current propaganda of demonization, inundating Iran, emanating from the Christian/Neocon Bush crowd.
Good work Scott and keep a watchful eye out for us!!!
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
Its Israel; no wait, it’s the fundamentalist Christians; no, it’s the Saudi Arabians; No, no, its Big Oil. wrong, it’s guys who wrote pnac; no, its the globalists, and the freemasons. or, the trilateral commission.
The idea that Israel runs American foreign policy makes no sense to me. It reminds me of other tales of the subversive powers of the Jews.
Well, I’m afraid that this “crowd” sure hasn’t done Isreal any favors. If Hume is right in his “Treatise of Human Nature” that Belief = the desire that something is true + confirmation of that Belief via experience and/or repitition, then America’s debacle in Iraq means that literally millions of muslims will seen in the US defeat confirmation that Allah is behind them in their Jihad. If the Isrealis have any sense, then they’ll purge these clowns before they lead Isreali into another Holocaust….
“… and raise the Star of David over our nation’s capitol.”
The Star of David is already represented in the 13 stars of the Great Seal of the United States.
If you want to learn more (you’ll even see currant Democrats totally involved) so watch this video about the Isreal Lobby. Portrait of a Great Taboo. The Power of the Israel Lobby in the United States. The video is from Information Clearing House: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17525.htm. posted today, April 13.
The believe the link will work if you remove the period at the end , after htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17525.htm
Thank you, Scott, for speaking the truth. The Israeli lobby is a pervasive threat to our sovereignty. And it is sickening to see the subserviance of U.S. politicians to the interests of a foreign state: Israel.
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The US is BANKRUPT repeat BANKRUPT, it lives on a daily overdraft of Two and a half Billions dollars from the Peoples Bank Of China and others.That country is a war economy,the most subsidised industry in the world, hence for the powers that be to get richer they have to have wars.US is in more than 100 countries killing and maiming people who pose no threat to the US or the world. Every child conceived all ready has a debt of over U$5,000/ hanging over his or her neck.Its Out Standing Market Credit Debt at the last count stood at U$76.63 Trillions. It will never be able to service that loan or pay off the capital in another 100 years.Every one and every thing is owned by private bankers.Europe is going that way.I hope the Nordic countries fight tooth and nail to keep their economic model.
The US dollar is sinking only thing that gives it any value is the price of oil.That’s is the key reason to grab Iraq’s oil, and that Venezuela has not agreed to play ball, Iran’s oil supplies has to be taken over by any underhand means as in Iraq, if necessary.If you undermine an empire’s currency, that’s the death warrant on that empire. That’s what the American did to the British Empire, devalued it’s currency the British Empire simply crumpled.
The FED is printing money left ,right and center, and for the first time suspended publication of the M3 Supply figures in it’s history. The true inflation figure is much higher than what the official figures indicate
China is the only country besides Russia to tell the US to go to hell and it’s spreading it’s influence from Asia, Africa, and Latin America.It has to be prevented from getting hold of the vital supply, by the US by any means.Contrary to propaganda the oil supplies are not in plentiful supply.either.So grab what you can when you can, but the Iraq’s are not going to let that happen nor the Iranian.
ArbeitMachtFrei-
***If the Isrealis have any sense, then they’ll purge these clowns***
So your argument boils down to whose god has the biggest bloodiest club then?
Might does not make right. It breeds contempt.
Best Wishes
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Reply by moneylender
One of the comments
”I canny be arsed to read all that”
I know the truth is some times unpalatable, so people tend to behave like ostriches exposing their thinking parts.
The Nordic model is one of the best compromise on offer, but it would have been perfect if it had got rid of the interest charges levied on it’s accounts all togeather.Interest is NOT necessary or inevitable.If that evil factor is divorced from the economy, one can balances ones books, get rid of the National DEBT that every country is saddled with. A true and genuine democracy can be established.
That why the Koran forbids interest, so too the Toroah the Bible and the Gita (Hindu scriprs)
Presently the muslims are the ones who are steadfast in their opposition to riba / usury , hence the clash of civilisations.
Moneylender
Thank you Scott Ritter! You have exposed AIPAC’s Achelles’ Heel! And it is our corrupt campaign finance system. We have to stop the cycle of our politicians being bought and sold by ANY special interests : corporate, foreign, or domestic. Public financing of campaigns is the the primary solution to getting true representative government for, by, and of the people. Not to mention government representatives that uphold and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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Thanks
Scott Ritter for President!! At least for Secretary of State.
Scott Ritter courageously speaks to the heart of deliberately obscured matters that sorely need to be aired in this country. Whenever this country finally hits bottom, when it can no longer deny reality, the majority in this country might finally be ready to hear the kinds of things Ritter has been saying for years.
He and others do a good job but will never challenge the bankers who have enslaved them from cradle to the grave.
”If you want to be a slave to banks and pay the cost of your own slavery let the banks create the money”
”Let me control the issue of a nations currency I care NOT who writes its laws”
Unless you are prepared to challenge the very fundamentals you all are whistling in the dark / daylight. Once in four or five years you will get the opportunity to put a cross, that’s the beginning and end of your democracy, then business as usual
i’ve only read some of these comments but it seems like a very sloppy and dangerous trend to confuse AIPAC with something we might call the jews. to confuse israel, with israelis.
i mean all ofyou here are americans, are you not - you seems so - does that make you all neo-cons?
one of the reasons why some jewish people cling to a notionof self-defense that might seem rabid to others is exactly because as soon as someone mentions israel, someone else thinks its now in fashion to harangue all jews. its sloppyu,wrong and leads to exactly the kind of world we now inhabit. think of how many secret muslim haters there are among western progressives. i’ve talked to them, eaten dinner with them - i know they are there and these are the people that did not stand in the facce of the middle east war that has been brewing for a long time - and is now here.
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Moneylender replys on the following comments
’so if I were truly educated, I would know that the real problem in the world today is interest… OK, sure, right.”
HITLER WAS FUNDED BY THE MONEYLENDERS BECAUSE THE MONEY LENDERS WERE ABLE TO CREATE MONEY OUT OF NOTHING.
You are enslaved from cradle to the grave, because the money lenders are able to create money out of NOTHING as a interest bearing DEBT.As a committed pacifist I know the arms manufactures are funded by money created out of NOTHING.
Unshakele your self and learn
You have to be EDUCATED
moneylender
Montemerrick:
you said:
“one of the reasons why some jewish people cling to a notionof self-defense that might seem rabid to others is exactly because as soon as someone mentions israel, someone else thinks its now in fashion to harangue all jews.”
You hit it right on the head. The only way out of this mess (distrust among cultures) is to emphasize what binds us together: we humans are a long-shot gamble, and we’re headed right into the most risky section of our development.
Criticism of Zionism has to be done carefully, so it’s not conflated with racism. We need to bury the stereotypes, and focus on encouraging those behaviors, from all of us, that are necessary to win the next 100 years’ lottery.
I urge anyone who feels powerless about all this to check out a great organization–CNI–the Center for the National Interest website. There are things we can do. You can’t really blame Israel, they have their own agenda as do the Tabacco industries, other corporations and even old people –AARP It is up to us to educate ourselves and let our politicians know we are on to them. Check out CNI.
This article is a collection of non-sequiter’s in which the author arrives at the expected conclusion, that the Jews are behind everything. Clearly the only attack on the constitution is by Scott Ritter.
Where’s the nonsequiter? Are you denying that the US-Israel relationship is a little odd?
“Clearly the only attack on the constitution is by Scott Ritter.”
Huh? Did I miss something in his article? Saying we should uphold the Constituion is an attack on it? Orwellian.
Wiseguy - codswallop.
wiseguy, montemerrick: I for one don’t confuse Israeli policy with the Isreali populace, or AIPAC with the American Jewish community at large. I try to pay attention, as best I can. The Jewish/AIPAC conundrum is the same as the Neocon/traditional Republican power struggle. Witness the election of November 2006. It wasn’t just Dems and Indies that voted the Dems in. Having said all that, in and around Israel/Palestine I’m not competent to state what percentage of the inhabitants the militants (on both sides) speak for, they just speak the loudest.
mf, you make a good point with your post. I enjoy reading Scott Ritter because he has been involved in the Middle East for so long, but he misses one important point.
Noam Chomsky was asked his opinion on the article written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt. He’s asks were “’the Lobbies’ the same that led to pursuing very similar policies throughout the world? Consider the year 1958, a very critical year in world affairs. In 1958, the Eisenhower administration identified the three leading challenges to the US as the ME, North Africa, and Indonesia — all oil producers, all Islamic. North Africa was taken care of by Algerian (formal) independence. Indonesia and the ME were taken care of by Suharto’s murderous slaughter (1965) and Israel’s destruction of Arab secular nationalism (Nasser, 1967). In the ME, that established the close US-Israeli alliance and confirmed the judgment of US intelligence in 1958 that a “logical corollary” of opposition to “radical nationalism” (meaning, secular independent nationalism) is “support for Israel” as the one reliable US base in the region (along with Turkey, which entered into close relations with Israel in the same year). Suharto’s coup aroused virtual euphoria, and he remained “our kind of guy” (as the Clinton administration called him) until he could no longer keep control in 1998, through a hideous record that compares well with Saddam Hussein — who was also “our kind of guy” until he disobeyed orders in 1990. What was the Indonesia Lobby? The Saddam Lobby? And the question generalizes around the world. Unless these questions are faced, the issue of the Israeli lobbies cannot be seriously addressed.”
I think that’s a fair observation. Israel certainly has much influence on the US government in the Middle East but it certainly doesn’t have absolute control over the foreign policy of the US.
It does take a lot of courage though to say anything against Israel because you are instantly labeled an anti-Semitic. Like Jimmy Carter, Scott Ritter has a lot of courage to write about Israel in a negative light.
Here is another example:Israel was roundly condemned in the international community for excessive civilian deaths and the use of cluster bombs in Lebanon . The Democratic chair of the foreign affairs committee, Tom Lantos, rather than condemning Israel for the civilian deaths has pushed through legislation condemning the Lebanese for “using civilians as human shields” . Anyone following the news could have seen that Israeli jets bombed whole villages , that they dropped leaflets asking civilians to leave the area , but then they attacked vehicles leaving that area making it impossible for the civilians to get out . Now we have news articles from Israel showing that it is routine for Israeli soldiers to use Palestinian children as human shields as they conduct door to door operations in Gaza and the west bank . Is there any outrage or legislation condemning this practice coming out of the Democratic controlled Congress? Don’t hold your breath.
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abc wrote
‘No way, dog! I’m just interested in knowing if you would be glad or sad if the US economy collapses and the US is ruined.”
As Pilger points out”The Bush administration, in secret connivance with Blair, has spent four years preparing for “Operation Iranian Freedom”. Forty-five cruise missiles are primed to strike”
Kissinger signed a MOU with the Evil Shah to supply niclear facilities for electricity geneation, both realised then that the oil is running out.
This is an act of the last days of the declining empire, in desperation will do anything.History, boys and girls.
Please do not divert by reference to jewish influence etc it’s purile.
Concentrate on the activities of the International moneylenders who create money out of NOTHING and who funded Hitler. You would not want history to repeat it self. They are allready responsible for the death of Two and ahalf innocent children EVERY year in the THirsd World, not forgetting the old and the infirm in their millions.
Moneylender
to vince lawrence
defending your own ethics in the face of my point misses my point - i was referring to the comments on scott ritter’s article more than the article itself (which i personally think is far too biased in favor of israel’s stance in the region.)
the commentary his article provoked degenerated into a very predictable and altogether lamentable diatribe against israel in toto - i felt the anti-semitism and i am certain that others did too - it is very sloppy, and wrong. I certainly wasnt accusing you of racism in your posts. as is apparent.
“as soon as someone mentions israel, someone else thinks its now in fashion to harangue all jews”
It works both ways. As soon as someone mentions Israel someone else plays the anti-semitism card, which you have done. A very effective way to halt criticism of Israel — and very unappreciated.
actaully i think thats really wrong - i think the comments that scott ritter’s article drew became anti-semitic and i said so. i wasnt playing a card - i was speaking my mind. if you dont want my mind in the conversation just say so - plenty of conversations in this world.
unappreciated, he says - sheesh!
“i’ve only read some of these comments but it seems like a very sloppy and dangerous trend to confuse AIPAC with something we might call the jews. to confuse israel, with israelis.”
And you confuse being anti-Israel with being anti-semitic. AIPAC and Israel is exactly what we’re talking about here. Okay so Israel is this loathsome monster but back there somewhere behind the screen are these sweet sweet Jews? And that’s a get-out-of-jail free card? Brudda, go tell it on the mountain.
Don’t try to stifle discussion by calling “Anti-Semite” in a crowded blog. Yes, there are a few posts that skirt on a-S, but there’s always a few idiots who post (okay, I walked into that one). Get back to me when you’ve read them all.
ive read all the psots my firend and i think its a perfectly reasonable thing to remiond folks not to slide down a well worn and useless trail - i nowhere argues that one should not criticize israel, and that is very apparent in what i’ve written. but the fact that some have used this story as an opportunity to lambast all jews, especially “american jews” who have opinions, not power is worth mentioning - israel shmisrael - a bulldog owned by the USA anyhow -
and if saying what i have said stifled discussion, well than that discussion werent exactly robust were it. clearly though i dont think i stifled or tried to stifle anything. i do think that you have not read very clearly my opinion,
one) i made a generla warning that some posts were “skirting on “a-S” as you phrasse it.
two) i clearly stated that i thought the article these posts were commenting did not go far enough in describing the rather horrible actions of the government and military of israel.
and as far as this comment of yours, “Okay so Israel is this loathsome monster but back there somewhere behind the screen are these sweet sweet Jews? And that’s a get-out-of-jail free card? Brudda, go tell it on the mountain.” that is skirting the old A-S for certain - “sweet sweet jews” thats nonsense pal.
and one more thing what exactly is a get out of jail free card? how do i have the power to hand them out? -
interesting that the only folks here to feel threatened by my comment (enough to gripe at any rate) were you (sweet sweet jews)
and Vince Lawrence who had this to say:
“As a ‘boomer indoctrinated with the lesson of the holocaust I’ve tried mightily all my life to be objective and fair concerning the Jewish people and Israel. It gets harder every day. How ironic that the majority of peace-loving reasonable American Jews (according to polls) can be cowed and silenced by a fanatical faction not dissimilar to the Nazis.”
learning about the holocaust is an “indoctrination”?
all i can say is that if i read an opinion that referred to all or the majority of americans in such language as you use to describe what lurks or doesnt behind monstrous nation israel, or Vince Lawrence uses to describe his feelings of the past and today, i would feel a little bit like my singualr autonomous humanity was under attack - and I would be right. just as i felt when i traveled to vancouver and to france and meet people who are shocked to discover that i dodnt vote for GWB (as if anyone did)
I don’t have the time to give you the response you so richly deserve. You’re fishing for anti-semitism; no wonder you found it. Vince Lawrence used “indoctrinate” as a synonym for “learn thoroughly”. Perhaps not the best choice of words, but you see anti-semitism. I say “sweet sweet” Jews and mean the same as if I said behind America are “sweet sweet Americans” and you see a-S. Posters give a virulent and strong objection to Israel and you see a-S. It’s here it’s there it’s everywhere. I’m tired of people yelling a-S everytime someone objects to Israel. And get-out-of-jail-free card means the same as it does in Monopoly. You get excused from commiting a crime.
first of all i did not yell anti-semitism - as you are perfectly aware - nor did i excuse war crimes committed by israeli leadership - you sir, or madam, were the one to posit the incrdulity of sweet sweet jews behind a monstrous mask. not i - methinks thou dost protest too much. why not use the time that you dont have to give me my richly deserved response re-reading any of what i have written here. which is not a defense of zionism, nor of the war crimes committed last year in lebanon, nor of the horrifying destruction of palestinian lives, nor of the nuclear terrorism of which the state of israel is guilty. which is no more jewish than christian funadmentalists or neo-conservatives, or neo-liberals (as we once called them are christian or american - (imagine if my critique of US war crimes included a cheap shot at christians, or the strange cowerings and silincings thereof. hmmmmm?
oh yes, by the way, i think you failed to notice that i also accuse the progressive west of harboring hatred and fear of Islam
Rick April 14th, 2007 8:55 am-
***Follow this link
http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon03032007.html ***
Thanks for the above link Rick!
For anyone here that has been able to study the controversial scholarly works of Ahemed Osman’s – Stranger in the Valley of the Kings, also his, The House of the Messiah, the Counter Punch article Mark refers to, above, lends new support and perspective to Osman’s research.
These are necessary examinations if we are to make sense of the prevailing winds blowing across the current regions of the Middle East, Israel and the new throne of Rome.
Israel is in the throws of an identity crisis, a crisis dating back to their 18th Dynasty Egyptian roots, subsequent to the expulsion of Pharaoh Akhenaten from Egypt, as a result for his vicious effort in attempting to exterminate the ancient Amun religion of the time, in order to supplant it by the virulently intolerant Atenist worship of the physical sun. No one else was accepted or even considered. This conclusion is born out in Osman’s research demonstrating that it was the high priest of Akhenaten (Phanehesy - Phinehas), that slew his son, the boy king, at the foot of Sinai, because the father refused the son’s offer of reconciliation between the differences of the two orders, that of Amun and the myopic Atenist views of his father. Akhenaten’s name and those members of family that followed him to the throne were expunged from the List of Egyptian Kings’ and elsewhere. Nothing was know of this Pharaoh until the rubble of his sun-centric city began to emerge from beneath the desert sands of what today is Tel-El-Amarna.
But, Israel’s identity crisis does not stem solely from the trauma of this more distant event, causing it to sever all physical and psychological ties to their ancestral Egyptian heritage and roots. More recently, following the dawn of the Christian era, it allowed this, already severed, history to be hijacked by Rome, in which Constantine plucked out only those elements suited best to his aspirations of empire, and to his epithet, Sol In Victus, seating the pontiff upon a throne of fabrication.
Later, the Balfour Declaration, propelled in part by British/American Christian zealotry, compelled by devotion and the innate desire for expediting the return of their savior, breathed into existence still a new creature. Not only did this new creature reflect the existing myopia of the former, but clothed in the Roman fabrication of a previously severed history, this new fundamentalist fervor now filled the sails of Zionist aspirations for homeland and exclusivity, adding a new dimension to already distant trauma.
Much of the conclusions wrought together here are by no means insignificant nor should they be considered unworthy of deeper examination. Much of the circumstantial evidence is sufficiently weighty to lend significance when linked together with hard facts. Today, as of my last reading, the Department of Egyptian Antiquities, Director Zhawi Hawas, et al, forbids the retrieval of DNA samples from specific mummies. Whenever controversial relationships begin to emerge, musical chairs are played with the timelines.
Howard Carter himself was sensitive to the fragile nerves of dogma the moment he walked into Tutankhamun’s tomb and the sensitive implications for a father son relationship to Akhenaten, which already began to surface.
Ahmed Osman has Identified Akhenaten and Moses as one and the same person. And, buried in a very prominent chamber, in the Valley of the Kings, Osman has also identified the mummy of Yuya, buried along with his wife Tuya, as that of the Hebrew Patriarch Joseph, grandfather to the boy king, Tutankhamun. It was Joseph’s daughter who wed Pharoah Amenhotep III, father to Akhenaten . Bundled locks of hair from Joseph’s wife, Tuya, were discovered amongst the items within Tutankhamun’s burial chamber. Carter also understood the significance for the Atenist (Sun) and Amun (Hidden) symbols, found emblazoned on the boy king’s golden throne seat and the reconciliatory message those symbols evoked for that very traumatic time in a period of Egyptian history, setting a unified people at odds with each other through the simple myopia of a single individual, until Rome abrogated the historical trauma, replacing it with a fabrication of its own intensity. Look around, the results and the depth of the dividing abyss are everywhere. Reconciliation and Truth are necessary more than ever before, along with wisdom and understanding. In a materialistic sense, we have traveled far and come a long way, but we seem to have lost something greater. T.S. Eliot wrote, “And at the end of all our searching, we shall arrive at the beginning, and know the place for the first time.”
No doubt, this is a very controversial summation, but so be it. It is what it is! Does it make me an Anti-Semite? No! Does it make me Anti-Christianite? No! Does it make me anti-Islamite? No! I hope not! I, as those few others, seek only to understand how we ever got this way! The intent is not to insult, but to find out and to know how and why!
No individual has the right to lord it over another, but neither is the individual an island in a sea of flesh. I believe these primary and opposing principles are what the founders wrestled with more than anything else in their attempt to place a leash on errant human nature; the fundamentals of checks and balances, which, by the way, have long ceased to exist, leaving us at the mercy of an ill wind, without a compass.
Thanks again Scott! And, keep the light on for us.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
As Pilger points out”The Bush administration, in secret connivance with Blair, has spent four years preparing for “Operation Iranian Freedom”. Forty-five cruise missiles are primed to strike”
Kissinger signed a MOU with the Evil Shah to supply niclear facilities for electricity geneation, both realised then that the oil is running out.
This is an act of the last days of the declining empire, in desperation will do anything.History, boys and girls.
Please do not divert by reference to jewish influence etc it’s purile
Moneylender
Blame for the fact that attacking Israel is interpreted as an attack on the Jews can’t be foisted on critics of Israel. How many times have you heard the refrain “An attack of Israel is an attack on the Jews” from Israelis and, yes, Jews here in the US? And we both know this doesn’t just come from radical Zionists. Even if it’s just propaganda, after hearing it a hundred times people are going to start to accept it. It’s precisely that brain-washing stance, a purposful obfuscation, that has most people freaked about even discussing Israel, let alone leveling any criticism at it. “My God, I lambasted Israel, I must be a Nazi.”
So you can see the difference, good for you, but when even most Jews can’t, don’t blame the average Joe for saying “the hell with it.”
But Israel is “the Jewish State” and an “attack on Israel is an attack on the Jew” as has been hammering into our heads time and again. Now there’s a process that we CAN designate indoctrination, delibrate obfuscating propaganda. By analogy it doesn’t matter if you take a pot shot at Christians while denouncing american war crimes — that’s going to be assumed anyway! YOU don’t have any choice in it. Maybe I did get you wrong; I think you’re more naive than anything else.
i see your point - i have a friend in los angeles who thinks if you wear a piece of jewelry that is shaped like an elephant, people will assume you are a republican - no matter the type of elephant, or how it is rendered, or what your intent is - elephants belong to republicans now, says my friend.
i think its foolish.
propaganda exists - liars exist.
i dont know how to rid the world of liars because it seems to me that the effort to rid the world of anything is a grievous sin - its profoundly arrogant - and it usually involves someone imagining he or she know s who needs to be killed - be it pesticide or poison gas or depleted uranium. it is as much my task to question propaganda as it is to question the very world i inhabit - i mean take it for a walk and ask it a few things - see what it has to say - get to know it -
i defer now to simone weil, who said that it isnt demanded of us that we believe in god, only that we do not believe in false ones -
judaism has been around more than five thousand years - it is the parent religion of both christianity and islam - both chritians and muslims recognize abraham as the father of their faiths - israel has been around for what coming on 60 years - it is easy to discern what is true from what is false, and we have to do it anyway, if we are to truly live. of course the tv indoctrinates - if you must watch it then do so with your eyes open - its a show - a sham - it is all false - there is no reason to invest all that you have, your intelligence and your soul, in this one more passing empire of a rather limited run - humans for 4 million years - pelicans for forty-five million -there isnt a seabird alive to day whose family doesnt go back at least 20 million years - or am i being naive, still?
as far as origin stories go, i like the story of white buffalo calf woman, of the broad continental plains a lot, as well as the story of how raven opened the clamshell to let the people into existence - these stories draw a line between me and what is real in a vocabularly and an imagination that seem much closer to the bone of living, to the actual world, - to which it seems we are returning - prodigal perhaps, in a shambles to be sure. guilty as charged and in need of the strength to nurse for waht we can and mourn what we lost, - those who remain will learn to listen to what the salmon say, or they will die.
no propaganda - no time for propaganda - if you believe something tell it - if its cockeyed, some body will set you straight in pretty short order.
Hmmm, I think I see what you mean, though I’m tempted to ask if you’ve been drinking.
That’s not derogatory — vino veritas and all that. You’ve made me think a lot about this issue, and I’ve come to the conclusion that you’ve committed the grave sin of not falling for the propaganda of conflating Israel with the Jewish people. Neither have I, but I assume that everyone else has, and so does everyone else — except you, if you can parse that.
Ah well, Montemerrick, people are shooting people, the world is going to hell in a hand basket, and I’m going to have another glass of Merlot.
Oh, BTW, if you wear an elephant pin people WILL think you’re a republican. It happened to my mother–my mother!–and that ain’t no propaganda.
montemerrick April 17th, 2007 12:11 am -
***judaism has been around more than five thousand years - it is the parent religion of both christianity and islam - both chritians and muslims recognize abraham as the father of their faiths***
Please read my prior post, along with the following.
The biblical patriarchs were all Pharaohs’ of northern Egypt, centered on the city, Heliopolis, biblical On, until a rift, incited by Akhenaton, drove a wedge between north and south.
When Abraham and his wife Sarah paid a visit to Pharaoh Tuthmosis III, (Throne Name Menkhper-Ra), the product of Sarah’s liaison with Tuthmosis was Isaac. Abraham in his discovery of this infraction raised his hand in desire to slay Isaac, until the lord, Pharaoh, stayed his hand. From Isaac came Jacob – who changed his name to Israel; Abraham’s true son was Ishmael, through Hagor.
Later, it is through Israel/Jacobs son, Joseph and Joseph’s daughters marriage to Amenhotep III, that Akhenaton/Moses emerges.
Others elsewhere bear out the name Israel as that of the conjoined god-names from that time as (Isis-Ra-Elohim), brought together in Isaac.
Osman has done some incredible work in ferreting this out, through his meticulous comparison of both Hebrew and Egyptian epic events and histories.
This then appears to be the great divide requiring reconciliation.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
Allow me to add to my above conclusion:
Without even considering what Rome had injected into this, this then appears to be the great divide requiring reconciliation.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU
For some reason, I seem to be having trouble getting my comments posted. Here it goes again…
Allow me to add to my above conclusion:
Considering the amount of salt Rome had injected into the existing wound, with its own fabrication, widening the chasm even further this then is the scarlet thread, woven through time, the great divide requiring reconciliation.
Peace, Best Wishes and Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk1vEuhBuEU