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Iran a Threat? I Mean, Really?
With all the current hype about the "threat" from Iran, it is time to review the record -- and especially the significant bits and pieces that find neither ink nor air in our Israel-friendly, Fawning Corporate Media (FCM).
First, on the chance you missed it, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said publicly that Iran "doesn't directly threaten the United States." Her momentary lapse came while answering a question at the U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar, on Feb. 14.
Fortunately for her, most of her FCM fellow travelers must have been either jet-lagged or sunning themselves poolside when she made her unusual admission. And those who were present did Clinton the favor of disappearing her gaffe and ignoring its significance. (All one happy traveling family, you know.)
But she said it. It's on the State Department Web site. Those who had been poolside could have read the text after showering. They might have recognized a real story there. Granted, the substance was so off-message that it would probably not have been welcomed by editors back home.
In a rambling comment, Clinton had charged (incorrectly) that, despite President Barack Obama's reaching out to the Iranian leaders, he had elicited no sign they were willing to engage:
"Part of the goal -- not the only goal, but part of the goal -- that we were pursuing was to try to influence the Iranian decision regarding whether or not to pursue a nuclear weapon. And, as I said in my speech, you know, the evidence is accumulating that that [pursuing a nuclear weapon] is exactly what they are trying to do, which is deeply concerning, because it doesn't directly threaten the United States, but it directly threatens a lot of our friends, allies, and partners here in this region and beyond." (Emphasis added)
Qatar Afraid? Not So Much
The moderator turned to Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad Bin Jassim Al-Thani and invited him to give his perspective on "the danger that the Secretary just alluded to...if Iran gets the bomb."
Al-Thani pointed to Iran's "official answer" that it is not seeking to have a nuclear bomb; instead, the Iranians "explain to us that their intention is to use these facilities for their peaceful reactors for electricity and medical use...
"We have good relations with Iran," he added. "And we have continuous dialogue with the Iranians." The prime minister added, "the best thing for this problem is a direct dialogue between the United States and Iran," and "dialogue through messenger is not good."
Al-Thani stressed that, "For a small country, stability and peace are very important," and intimated -- diplomatically but clearly -- that he was at least as afraid of what Israel and the U.S. might do, as what Iran might do.
All right. Secretary Clinton concedes that Iran does not directly threaten the United States. Now who are these "friends" to whom she refers? First and foremost, Israel, of course. How often have we heard Israeli officials warn that they would consider nuclear weapons in Iran's hands an "existential" threat?
Time to do a reality check. Former French President Jacques Chirac is perhaps the best-known world statesman to hold up to public ridicule the notion that Israel, with between 200 and 300 nuclear weapons in its arsenal, would consider Iran's possession of a nuclear bomb an existential threat.
In a recorded interview with the New York Times, the International Herald Tribune, and Le Nouvel Observateur, on Jan. 29, 2007, Chirac put it this way:
"Where will it drop it, this bomb? On Israel? It would not have gone 200 meters into the atmosphere before Tehran would be razed."
Chirac concluded that Iran's possession of a nuclear bomb would not be "very dangerous."
Chirac and a Hard Place
Immediately, the former French president found himself caught between Chirac and a hard place. He was forced to retract, but chose to do so in so clumsy a way as to demonstrate rather clearly that he stood by his initial candor on the subject.
On Jan. 30, Chirac told the New York Times:
"I should rather have paid attention to what I was saying and understood that perhaps I was on record. ... I don't think I spoke about Israel yesterday. Maybe I did so, but I don't think so. I have no recollection of that."
Israel's leaders must have been laughing up their sleeve at that. Their continued ability to intimidate presidents of other countries -- including President Barack Obama -- is truly remarkable, particularly when it comes to helping to keep Israel's precious "secret," that it possesses one of the world's most sophisticated nuclear arsenals.
Shortly after Obama became U.S. President, veteran reporter Helen Thomas asked him if he knew of any country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons, and Obama awkwardly responded that he didn't want to "speculate." Thomas later commented, "I did not ask him to speculate; he is supposed to know!"
More recently, on April 13, 2010, Obama looked like a deer caught in the headlights when the Washington Post's Scott Wilson, taking a leaf out of Helen Thomas' book, asked him if he would "call on Israel to declare its nuclear program and sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty."
Watch the video, unless you have no stomach for seeing our normally articulate President stutter his way through an improvised mini-filibuster, and then grovel: "And, as far as Israel goes, I'm not going to comment on their program..."
The following day the Jerusalem Post smirked, "President Dodges Question About Israel's Nuclear Program." The article continued: "Obama took a few seconds to formulate his response, but quickly took the weight off Israel and called on all countries to abide by the NPT."
The Jerusalem Post added that Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak chose that same day to send a clear message "also to those who are our friends and allies," that Israel will not be pressured into signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
(Also the following day, the Washington Post made no reference to the question from its own reporter or Obama's stumbling non-answer.)
Consistent Obsequiousness
In his response to Scott Wilson, Obama felt it necessary to tack on the observation that his words regarding the NPT represented the "consistent policy" of prior U.S. administrations. This reflects the de rigueur attempt to avert any adverse reaction from the Likud Lobby to even the slightest suggestion that Obama might be ratcheting up, even a notch or two, any pressure on Israel to acknowledge its nuclear arsenal and sign the NPT.
Actually, the greatest consistency to the policy has been U.S. obsequious promotion of a flagrant double standard. Clearly, Washington and the FCM find it easier to draw black-and-white distinctions between noble Israel and evil Iran, if there's no acknowledgement that Israel already has nukes and Iran has disavowed any intention of getting them.
This never-ending hypocrisy shows itself in various telling ways. I am reminded of an early Sunday morning talk show over five years ago at which Sen. Richard Lugar, then chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was asked why Iran might think it has to acquire nuclear weapons. Perhaps Lugar had not yet had his morning coffee, because he almost blew it with his answer:
"Well, you know, Israel has..." Oops. At that point he caught himself and abruptly stopped. The pause was embarrassing, but he then recovered and tried to limit the damage.
Aware that he could not simply leave the words "Israel has" twisting slowly in the wind, Lugar began again: "Well, Israel is alleged to have a nuclear capability."
Is "alleged" to have? Lugar was chair of the Foreign Relations Committee from 1985 to 1987; and then again from 2003 to 2007. No one told him that Israel has nuclear weapons? But, of course, he did know, but he also knew that U.S. policy on disclosure of this "secret" -- over four decades -- has been to protect Israel's nuclear "ambiguity."
Small wonder that our most senior officials and lawmakers - and Lugar, remember, is one of the more honest among them -- are widely seen as hypocritical, the word Scott Wilson used to frame his question to Obama.
The Fawning Corporate Media, of course, ignores this hypocrisy, which is their standard operating procedure when the word "Israel" is spoken in unflattering contexts. But the Iranians, Syrians and others in the Middle East pay very close attention.
Obama Overachieving
As for Obama, the die was cast during the presidential campaign when, on June 3, 2008, in the obligatory appearance before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), he threw raw red meat to the Likud Lobby.
Someone wrote into his speech: "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided." This obsequious gesture went well beyond the policy of prior U.S. administrations on this highly sensitive issue, and Obama had to backtrack two days later.
"Well, obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. And Jerusalem will be part of those negotiations," Obama said when asked if he was saying the Palestinians had no future claim to the city.
The person who inserted the offending sentence into his speech was neither identified nor fired, as he or she should have been. My guess is that the sentence inserter has only risen in power within the Obama administration.
So, why am I reprising this sorry history? Because this is what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sees as the context of the U.S.-Israeli relationship.
Even when Israel acts in a manner that flies in the face of stated U.S. policy, which calls on all nations to sign the NPT and to submit to transparency in their nuclear programs, Netanyahu has every reason to believe that Washington's power-players will back down and the U.S. FCM will intuitively understand its role in the cover-up.
L'Affaire Biden -- when the Vice President was mouse-trapped and humiliated when Israel announced plans to build 1,600 new housing units for Jews in East Jerusalem shortly after he arrived in Israel to reaffirm U.S. solidarity with Israel -- was dismissed as a mere "spat" by the neoconservative Washington Post. (If the Post has a vestigial claim to distinction, it is how well it is plugged in to the establishment.)
Making Amends
Rather than Israel making amends to the United States, it has been vice versa.
Obama's national security adviser, James Jones, trudged over to an affair organized by the AIPAC offshoot think tank, Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), last Wednesday to make a major address.
I got to wondering, after reading his text, which planet Jones lives on. He devoted his first nine paragraphs to fulsome praise for WINEP's "objective analysis" and scholarship, adding that "our nation -- and indeed the world -- needs institutions like yours now more than ever."
Most importantly, Jones gave pride of place to "preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them," only then tacking on the need to forge "lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians." He was particularly effusive in stating:
"There is no space -- no space -- between the United States and Israel when it comes to Israel's security."
Those were the exact words used by Vice President Joe Biden in Israel on March 9, before he was mouse trapped.
"No Space" -- a Problem
The message is inescapably clear: Netanyahu has every reason to believe that the Siamese-twin relationship with the United States is back to normal, despite the suggestion from CENTCOM Commander, Gen. David Petraeus, earlier this year that total identification with Israel costs the lives of American troops.
Petraeus's main message was that this identification fosters the widespread impression that the U.S. is incapable of standing up to Israel. The briefing that he sponsored reportedly noted, "America was not only viewed as weak, but there was a growing perception that its military posture in the region was eroding."
However, in the address to WINEP, National Security Adviser Jones evidenced no concern on that score. Worse still, in hyping the threat from Iran, he seemed to be channeling Dick Cheney's rhetoric before the attack on Iraq, simply substituting an "n" for the "q." Thus:
"Iran's continued defiance of its international obligations on its nuclear program and its support of terrorism represents (sic) a significant regional and global threat. A nuclear-armed Iran could transform the landscape of the Middle East...fatally wounding the global non-proliferation regime, and emboldening terrorists and extremists who threaten the United States and our allies."
A More Ominous Mousetrap?
Jacques Chirac may have gone a bit too far in belittling Israel's concern over the possibility of Iran acquiring a small nuclear capability, but it is truly hard to imagine that Israel would feel incapable of deterring what would be a suicidal Iranian attack.
The real threat to Israel's "security interests" would be something quite different. If Iran acquired one or two nuclear weapons, Israel might be deprived of the full freedom of action it now enjoys in attacking its Arab neighbors.
Even a rudimentary Iranian capability could work as a deterrent the next time the Israelis decide they would like to attack Lebanon, Syria or Gaza. Clearly, the Israelis would prefer not to have to look over their shoulder at what Tehran might contemplate doing in the way of retaliation.
However, there has been a big downside for Israel in hyping the "existential threat" supposedly posed by Iran. This exaggerated danger and the fear it engenders have caused many highly qualified Israelis, who find a ready market for their skills abroad, to emigrate.
That could well become a true "existential threat" to a small country traditionally dependent on immigration to populate it and on its skilled population to make its economy function. The departure of well-educated secular Jews also could tip the country's political balance more in favor of the ultra-conservative settlers who are already an important part of Netanyahu's Likud coalition.
Still, at this point, Netanyahu has the initiative regarding what will happen next with Iran, assuming Tehran doesn't fully capitulate to the U.S.-led pressure campaign. Netanyahu could decide if and when to launch a military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, thus forcing Washington's hand in deciding whether to back Israel if Iran retaliates.
Netanyahu may not be impressed -- or deterred -- by anything short of a public pronouncement from Obama that the U.S. will not support Israel if it provokes war with Iran. The more Obama avoids such blunt language, the more Netanyahu is likely to view Obama as a weakling who can be played politically.
If I am right in thinking that Netanyahu feels himself in the catbird seat, then an Israeli attack on Iran seems more likely than not. For instance, would Netanyahu judge that Obama lacked the political spine to have the U.S. forces controlling Iraqi airspace shoot down Israeli aircraft on their way to Iran? Many analysts feel that Obama would back down and let the warplanes proceed to their targets.
Then, if Iran sought to retaliate, would Obama feel compelled to come to Israel's defense and "finish the job" by devastating what was left of Iran's nuclear and military capacity? Again, many analysts believe that Obama would see little choice, politically.
Yet, whatever we think the answers are, the only calculation that matters is that of Israel's leaders. My guess is Netanyahu would not anticipate a strong reaction from President Obama, who has, time and again, showed himself to have a preference for caving in-to be more politician than statesman.
James Jones is, after all, Obama's national security adviser, and is throwing off signals that can only encourage Netanyahu to believe that Jones's boss would scurry to find some way to avoid the domestic political opprobrium that would accrue, were the President to seem less than fully supportive of Israel.
Key Judgments on Iran Nuclear
Netanyahu has other reasons to take heart with the political direction in Washington.
According to Sunday's Washington Post, the U.S. intelligence community is preparing what is called a Memorandum to Holders of the National Intelligence Estimate of November 2007 on Iran, in other words an update to that full-scale NIE-the one in which all 15 U.S. intelligence agencies girded their loins and unanimously spoke truth to power about Iran's nuclear program.
The update is now projected for completion this August, delayed from last fall reportedly because of new incoming information coming from sources that the Post describes as "motivated by antipathy toward the government" of Iran. Does this not sound familiar? Think of the similar Iraqi "sources" who provided us with such stellar intelligence on Baghdad's nuclear program.
The Post article recalls that the 2007 NIE presented the "startling conclusion" that Iran had halted work on developing a nuclear warhead. That reportedly occurred four years prior, in the fall of 2003. Why "startling?" Because this contradicted what President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney had been saying, repeatedly, for years-right up until the time the Key Judgments of the NIE were sanitized and made public.
It is a hopeful thing that senior intelligence officials from both CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency have, as the Post puts it, "avoided contradicting the language used in the 2007 NIE." Some, though, are said to be privately asserting their belief that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon. Apparently, "faith-based intelligence" is not yet dead.
The Post says there is an expectation that the previous NIE "will be corrected" to indicate a darker interpretation of Iranian nuclear program.
It seems a safe, if sad, bet that the same Likud-friendly forces that attacked experienced diplomat Chas Freeman as a "realist" and got him "un-appointed," after National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair had named him Director of the National Intelligence Council, will try to Netanyahu-ize the upcoming Memorandum to Holders.
The National Intelligence Council has purview over such memoranda, as well as over NIEs. Without Freeman, or anyone similarly substantive and strong, it is doubtful that the intelligence community will not be able to resist the political pressures to conform.
Resisting Pressure
Nevertheless, the intelligence admirals, generals and other high officials seem to be avoiding the temptation to play that game, so far.
The Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Gen. Ronald Burgess, and the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. James Cartwright, hewed to the intelligence analysts' judgments in their testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee last Wednesday.
Indeed, their answer to the question as to how soon Iran could have a deliverable nuclear weapon, in fact, sounded very familiar:
"Experience says it is going to take you three to five years" to move from having enough highly enriched uranium to having a "deliverable weapon that is usable... something that can actually create a detonation, an explosion that would be considered a nuclear weapon," Cartwright told the panel.
What makes Cartwright's assessment familiar -- and relatively reassuring -- is that five years ago, a previous DIA director told Congress that Iran is not likely to have a nuclear weapon until "early in the next decade" -- this decade. Now, we're early in that decade and Iran's nuclear timetable, if you assume it does intend to build a bomb, has been pushed back to the middle of this decade.
Indeed, the Iranians have been about five years away from a nuclear weapon for several decades now, according to periodic intelligence estimates. They just never seem to get much closer. But there's no trace of embarrassment among U.S. policymakers or any notice of this slipping timetable by the FCM.
Not that NIEs -- or U.S. officials -- matter much in terms of a potential military showdown with Iran. The "decider" here is Netanyahu, unless Obama stands up and tells him, publicly, "If you attack Iran, you're on your own."
Don't hold your breath.
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Show AllAbout twenty years ago there was danger that peace might break out.We were stabbed in the back by the Russians when the Berlin wall came down and they pulled their troops out having had enough. So now you have the new and improved GWT which will end when as our economy implodes like the old USSR.
"... he was at least as afraid of what Israel and the U.S. might do, as what Iran might do."
He and the rest of the world share that same perspective.
It's deja vu all over again. As with Iraq's imaginary "weapons of mass destruction", the U.S. "cannot wait for the smoking gun to appear as a mushroom cloud." So, just like those religious nuts who "cannot wait" for The Rapture to get here, the U.S. will do everything it can to hurry things along -- with a little help from its "best ally" in the Middle East, of course.
In fact, the U.S. is already in the process of declaring war on Iran in HR 2194, the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act. The sanctions in that bill, and the blockade of Iran necessary to fully enforce them, are in themselves acts of war according to international law.
I'm ashamed to admit it, but I'm rapidly reaching the point where I almost hope the world's two top terrorist nations do bring the whole global temple down on their own heads and get it over with. The incessant lies and hypocrisy have become unendurable.
REF: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25302.htm
See how much you know about Iran from Iran Quiz.
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Israel has how many nukes? As I see it, any group capable of murdering the Son of God is the biggest threat in the region.
Last I heard, he and his dad were plotting their own revenge with a little help from the Holy Ghost, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins.
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Your link is to an article by Wayne Madsen, whose reliability is,to say the least, questionable. He has asserted, among other things, that the Bush administration was behind 9-11. The whole business about broken glass is just plain bizarre, but not atypical.
I take greater exception to your quote from Menachim Begin, supposedly from The New Statesman. I could not find any such article, nor any other source for the alleged comments. Begin, although guilty of many crimes dating back to his days as an Irgun terrorist, was not known to ever use the kind of language you attribute to him, which sounds like a gloss on an old Nazi rant. That magazine also has a history of unreliability and anti-Semitism.
I am not familiar with Mr. Madsen, but, I, too, assert the Bush administration was behind September 11...
Me, too. Partly, at least, with help from Israel.
Me too. And that means Valatius will most likely question our reliability as well.
Oh well . . .
You may add me to the growing list. Speculation was rampant throughout Europe the days following 9/11 that the Israeli Mossad likely had a hand in orchestrating and cooridinating this spectacle using unsuspecting Arabs primarily from Saudi Arabia who were completely unaware who was behind the curtain running the show. Alice in Wonderland is a timeless parable.
Didn't take long for that ancient chestnut to be dragged out did it? That "group", did no such thing (the Romans, however did - that is if it happened at all). But for farts and giggles, let us suppose they did, how is it that their descendants, more than 2,000 years later, remain culpable for said murder? I come from Viking stock, using your logic as a guide, tell me, to whom shall I make reparations for the marauding of my nomadic, ancient kith? C'mon...I must owe someone something...
"...how is it that their descendants, more than 2,000 years later, remain culpable for said murder?"
Regardless of whether the person in question was partly if not completely fictitious, you are right that "their descendants, more than 2,000 years later," should not be held culpable. Actually, holding them culpable is about as ridiculous as claiming they have a right to the land that their ancestors held over 2,000 years ago.
So "God" is not responsible for letting his only son be murdered?
Isn't that taking "free will" too far?
Sanctions are a political light act of war... It is a substitute for the fact that Iran would not only hit back at Israel but most probably also shut down the oil shipped through the Gulf.
The new "Mutually Assured Destruction" is the Iran strategy of "Unacceptable Destruction" (no oil). The US is now making adjustments.
You have to meditate deeply for many years before you really understand all that is in the bible. No, I haven't and I don't. But I'm working on it. Maybe another couple lifetimes....
When you are done, switch to your bellybutton. There are equally profound discoveries to be found there.
America's client state is now running America. When was the last time that Iran actually attacked anyone? When was the last time that the US or Israel was not attacking someone?
Informative article here:
The Third Side Also Exists:
Regarding the Likely American Attack on Iran
by Nasser Zarafshan
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It's common enough to think that neoliberalism is seeking to impose its reign over half the world, but, in the case of the Middle East in particular, the problem of oil and its importance for future transformations of world economy eclipse all other concerns. In this respect, the Middle East is among the most sensitive strategic areas for the United States as the global power.
War for control of energy resources is not a simple matter. The USA dominates the Middle East not only because this region is very important for itself, but also because it wants to subordinate China -- an emergent, growing power -- and Europe and Japan to a US-controlled oil regime in the Middle East, the most vital region for meeting their increasing energy needs. Since the USA consumes more than 25% of the world oil production but, even combined with Canada, has only little more than 3% of the world's known oil reserves, this policy is understandable. Donald Kagan, a right-wing political pundit and Yale University professor, in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, offered an opinion that clearly and succinctly explained the point: "When we have economic problems, it's been caused by disruptions in our oil supply. If we have a force in Iraq, there will be no disruption in oil supplies."
Pay attention to the reality that, even combined with Canada, the USA, for all its weight and importance in the transformation of the world, has only 3% of the world's known oil reserves; that Western Europe, for all its function and importance in world economy, has only 2% of the world's known oil reserves; that Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, which for 50 years didn't need to import a single drop of oil, together have only 7% of the world's known oil reserves; but that the Middle East is the place that by itself has 65% of the aforementioned reserves. Then, the importance of this region and the essence of political crises therein are better revealed (according to the chart in the appendix inserted in a 1 January 2001 estimate of "World Proved Reserves of Oil and Natural Gas" and the editorial of the December 2002 issue of Monthly Review,5 this region seems even more significant). Further, pay attention to the reality that, based on the forecast of the US Department of Energy in 2002, the world oil demand, in the next 20 years, will rise from 77 million barrels per day (as of the time of the forecast) to 120 million barrels per day, whose consumption increase will be mainly driven by the USA and China, and all angles of the issue will become clear. Of course, in any stage of the history of the capitalist order, diverse economic, political, and military interests and considerations exercise reciprocal influences over one another, for they have and will act as a totality. However, the problem of oil in the Middle East is not just an economic question. In addition to the prospect of making profits, which is among the great concerns of big capitalist corporations, political and strategic considerations concerning this region, too, exist behind each influence of the oil question.
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http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2008/zarafshan210408.html
This article is out-of-step with the onset of Peak Oil's reality. Also unmentioned in the total inability of the USA to directly purchase and refine oil from anywhere even if it could afford to, or gain a loan to do so. As I mentioned in a comment elsewhere, oil has little to do with the USA's illegal and terroristic threats of war to Iran. Rather like Cuba, it is all about Iran's escape from Uncle Sam's corral. The same is true of the UNSC's sanction regime which is totally illegal under the UN Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the Non Proliferation Treaty. Both China and Russia made a big mistake in allowing the USA to bully them into NOT vetoing the initial and later sanctions. It should not be forgotten who McGovern once worked for when he declines to openly call US and Israeli actions against Iran illegal and terroristic; indeed, his credibility must ALWAYS be called into question.
" Donald Kagan, a right-wing political pundit and Yale University professor, in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, offered an opinion that clearly and succinctly explained the point: "When we have economic problems, it's been caused by disruptions in our oil supply. If we have a force in Iraq, there will be no disruption in oil supplies."
Sorry! But our economic problems re OIL pale in comparison to those generated by Goldman Sachs, Lehmann, Citi and others - they don't even deal in actual physical commodities, but rather swindle the public to the tune of $$Trillions$$ simply by shuffling paper back and forth. It's the most elegant scam ever devised by (sub)humans to fleece their own.
Ray McGovern: “The ‘decider’ here is Netanyahu, unless Obama stands up and tells him, publicly, ‘If you attack Iran, you're on your own.’”
Mossad has undoubtedly foreseen this contingency and planned for it, and I doubt that the U.S. Secret Service is any match for those guys, who don’t play by any rules and have no friends.
Look who’s waiting in the wings to take over if Obama has an accident—Biden, the groveling, self-proclaimed Zionist.
What Obama should say is “You’re on your own as of right now, and if you attack Iran or anyone else, you attack the U.S. as well.” But of course the Israel Lobby has become too powerful for that, and Obama is too cowardly and expedient to do what’s in the best interests of the U.S. instead of what’s in the best interests of Israel.
The bottom line here is that Netanyahu, not Obama, is the decider, and Obama will do whatever Bibi the racist apartheider wants.
Great post! Especially the second last paragraph.
Not to excuse Israel or our craven adherence to their worst elements, but there is no such thing as a peaceful nuke. Whether Iran is currently working specificaly on a weapon now is immaterial. All the owners of nuclear weapons build and maintain them within the infrastructure of their "peaceful" nuclear programs.
As power generation systems they are a total bust, costing literally the earth and spending increasing amounts of time offline, not producing as advertized. The entire process, from the mines to the waste storage systems is hellishly dangerous in both short and long terms. And we still don't have solutions to the longest term problem, where to put the waste.
That process that makes the fuel, generates, "as a byproduct", the fissile material for thermo-nuclear weapons and the heavy metal for DU weapons (which should properly be classified as battlefield or tactical nuclear weapons). I don't believe that this is a byproduct, I believe these are the main products.
I'm with Ray on his read of the politics, but it's naive to believe that a Nuclear Armed Iran will not be the eventual outcome of Iran's nuclear program.
How bad is that?
It's one more country with a bomb.
And a self-poisoning nuclear infrastructure.
But it would serve to offset Israel's recklessness and it might make Iranians feel safer from US (considering that we don't attack other nuclear armed countries with the same zeal as we do weaker states) and that might help to relax their posture of hostility somewhat.
Iran has not attacked anyone in it's modern history, neither under the Shah nor the Mullahs. It has been attacked and is fiercely defensive (as you can imagine). Their goal in persuing nukes would be the same rationale that we used vis the Russians, MAD. Deterent. Defense, not Offense.
By saying all of the above, please don't conclude that I am a) in favor of Iran developing Nukes or b) in favor of nuking Iran, or having Israel do it, to prevent them from developing nukes.
I have no good answer, the political dynamic with Natanyahu and Ahmedinejad and the political pressures around them, don't hold a lot of promise for peace. The more we threaten and belittle Iran while defending Israel, the more determined Iran will be to seeing to it's defense. We could change that dynamic in a single move but the domestic repercussions for the politician and party would be harsh. So harsh that no one will even suggest it.
As Ray said, don't hold yr breath.
When has Obama ever stood up to anyone?
Are you implying that our fearless leader lacks political integrity and courage? Obama has stood up to countless bad guys since he took office: to homeowners threatened by foreclosure, to supporters of serious financial reform, to supporters of a public option for health care, to opponents of NAFTA, to opponents of the continuing occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, to opponents of FISA, the Patriot Act, and the Military Commissions Act, to opponents of extraordinary rendition, to opponents of presidential assassinations, and to opponents of Israeli apartheid, to name just a few valiant acts. What a portrait of courage!
Ostrgoth;with all that courage and peaceful intent he should get another peace prize.Tony
Obama stood up repeatedly to those who wanted single-payer (by shutting them out of the debate) and those willing to settle for a "public option."
He's actually quite good at standing up to the Democrats still in the Democratic Party.
Iran is not a threat to the average American, as the real threat to the 99% of average Americans, is the U.S.Governments fascist, foreign policy, but it is definitely a real threat to the other 1% that are in charge of America's foreign policy!
Since fall of the King Solomon Empire, which was caused by his dishonesty and back-stabbing of other world powers, the Jews have never been given an opportunity to repeat bad history. Jerusalem leveled to the ground when it started to regain power in AD 110, Jews made bankrupt during World War Two, Jews given powerless Israel which is a nation in name only.
For Israel is but a colony ruled by the rich nobility of Europe, just a touch of terror to protect European oil rights in the Middle East, and never has, never shall, Europe allow Israel to have the A-bomb.
It is a fact that Israel has nuclear weapons and it was the United States that helped them achieve that power by illegally smuggling all the necessary components they needed during the 60's, 70's and 80's.
Former President of the United States, Jimmy Carter is certainly in a position "to know" whether or not Israel possesses nuclear weapons:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7420573.stm
It is a physical fact that a physical man of the intelligent middleclass, who lives quite nicely now according to pictures, did physically give some pictures and some unknown physical papers to the media, but beyond that everything is fiction, fantasy and fairy tale.
For words from the mouth of man are not physical facts, only vehicles of thought.
And if you want to know what is happening on the ground, forget all vehicles of thought, especially your own, and concentrate on good logic based on the facts that exist on the ground.
For without the advanced theories of a Jew named Albert Einstein, surely never would we have had the A-bomb in time to terrorize the world into fearful submission and establish Empire USA as king over all the earth. For World War Two had already been won and it was already almost too late to nuke Japan.
“On August 2nd 1939, just before the beginning of World War II,
Einstein wrote to then President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Einstein
and several other scientists told Roosevelt of efforts in Nazi
Germany to purify U-235 with which might in turn be used to
build an atomic bomb.”
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bleinstein.htm
In 1949 when our Empire invaded Palestine and set up a puppet colony called Israel, Albert Einstein was offered the job as paid actor President, but he turned it down.
The rich nobility of Empire USA have always had absolute control of Israel, and in perfect harmony with the rich nobility of Europe. Surely, and never will Israel be allowed to become so independent and deadly that it could defy the powers that since 1945 have terrorized the world.
IRAN? a "threat?"
to whom and what? the USA's existence? or its EMPIRE ?.
who's really been THREATENING whom, anyway?
It's the USA threatening IRAN , not the other way around.
and who really has undermined another country?
it's been the USA since the 1950's - not the other way around.
the USA talking about the "iranian threat" is like a crazed, berserk elephant stomping around and destroying trees and bushes and trampling everything it sees from an infected, wormed brain gone crazy and then trumpeting its fury at an ant-hill.
History has a weight on the Jewish people like none other, and even the strongest opponents of Likud and its enablers must acknowledge this weight. Israelis are right to fear Iranian nuclear weapons because such weapons will give an acknowledged enemy the capacity to commit a second holocaust. You can argue that Iran would be unlikely to use nuclear weapons, but no one can deny that only a handful of nuclear weapons could make this fear a reality.
The solution, though enormously unpalatable to many, is a one party democratic state in which Israelis and Palestinians enjoy equal voting and civil rights. A future state which is perhaps 60% Arab and 40% Israeli will not be the Jewish state of today but it also would not be a target for nuclear attack by Iran.
If South Africa could overcome its past, so too can Israel/Palestine.
One state, imposed on the Arabs through Israeli intransigence, would never work---though it is the wet-dream of all Zionists. A return to the 1967 borders and removal of the partitioning wall is what's needed for a lasting peace between the two nations. No justice, no peace!
Valatius Iran has not attacked anyone since 1856.
Iran has only threatened Israel in the neocon MSM with that rumor of the century.
Iran to attack the US OR Israel ... 2 superpowers would be instant suicide.
No Iran has a long proud history & has the right to defend itself.
Iranians & other Middle East people are living under a constant reign of terror.
Some Americans Taxpayers are concerned about $ 3 TRILLION cost of Israel to the US.
Messianic/Zionist Bible Prophesy believers all desperately await "The Rapture" ?
Are believers in a hurry for the Battle of Armageddon & Jesus to rapture " his" people ?
Hallelujah we have Evangelical Christian ministers in the US air force, weapons that have Christian inscriptions on them, the End Times idea that people will be fighting to regain the Holy Land so that Jesus can return to fulfill a prophecy that MILLIONS subscribe to.
"You can argue that Iran would be unlikely to use nuclear weapons, but no one can deny that only a handful of nuclear weapons could make this fear a reality."
I deny that Iran would be a threat UNLESS ISRAEL ATTACKED FIRST.
And therein lies the truth. Israel, which unlike Iran, is constantly paranoid and agressive, is a REAL threat to every other country in the region. Israel often invades and occupies its neighbors. Is constantly stealing land. A country that that as recently as 2006 bombed the shit out of defenseless Lebanon,
Valatius wrote: "The solution, though enormously unpalatable to many, is a one party democratic state".
Such as Joseph Stalin's "one party democratic state" ? What type of medication are you currently on?
What you are describing is, of course, a Totalitarian Dictatorship... now matter what semantics you use to fluff it up.
How about submitting this and other great pieces on Iran to the Post? People need to be made to wake the fuck up.
Otherwise, we WILL be making war on Iran. It is only a question of when. This tastes and smells exactly like every other "war" progression we've seen in recent times.
Did the Garden of Eden have a wall?
Why not build a new Jerusalem in Texas when they secede? Just bless some of the contractors like Bechtel and Bin Laden Construction Group and precede. Part of the wall is already in place and they could lease the old Enron towers for a temporary temple.
A truly excellent article. This needs to be repeated:
"The real threat to Israel's "security interests" would be something quite different. If Iran acquired one or two nuclear weapons, Israel might be deprived of the full freedom of action it now enjoys in attacking its Arab neighbors."
Iran neither needs not wants nuclear weapons.
They want and have and will continue to have nuclear power.
They are fully capable of defending themselves against both the US and Israel, and have brilliantly and comparatively inexpensively turned the nuclear weapons their enemies threaten them within to a Doomsday Machine they will trigger if attacked.
Iran is fully capable of sinking US aircraft carriers with the advanced non-nuclear weaponry it already possesses, such as 200 mph torpedoes and faster than sound cruise missles that fly only a few feet off the surface of the water. If there are any carrier groups within 1200 miles of Iran, and if those carrier groups leave the area, that will be a sign that attack on Iran is imminent. The US isn't about to lose a carrier or any of the ships in its "carrier group" and it knows Iran has the ability to take their ships. This could get interesting. And, I'm not so certain that Iran doesn't already have nuclear weapons acquired on the "open market" after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Wouldn't it be interesting if Israel attacks Iran with nukes, only to find nukes coming right back at them. Who would be termed "the aggressor" in the American media?
Don't forget Diego Garcia, which the British declared an ocean preserve.
The day is coming in which man will stop lying to his neighbor, he will CARE about his neighbor no matter what country his is born under, and he will be interested in the good of all, not the good of the few. This will be the kingdom of God in man.
I like that. Thanks for posting it.
Nice sentiment, but don't hold your breath ...
PLEASE tell me when I should mark my calendar!
re: 'the video'.........
he's not my president and he speaks a lot of mumbo jumbo.....
A HigherWay:
“The day is coming in which man will stop lying to his neighbor…
This will be the kingdom of God in man.”
LIGHT
Actually no, for the earth made new will be the Kingdom of God and the animal man will have only a small part to play in it. For the purpose of this world is to establish a full understanding of darkness, and this requires that most men be in love with the world and in love with darkness.
For darkness is the illusion of good hiding evil, a liars pretense of good hiding his intent to do evil, a mixture of good and evil such that we cannot tell good from evil. All so that, never again will deceitful liars be able to generate darkness, nor be given the deadly force needed to enrich themselves upon our misery while holding us captive in darkness.
For the knowledge of darkness, the knowledge of how to use a pretense of good to hide evil, is what Adam and Eve brought into the world when they ate into their minds “the knowledge of good with evil.” For Satan told them that God had changed his mind and now they could have the forbidden knowledge. A most deceitful lie, as it claimed that the word of God was worthless and that God was never to be trusted as he changed his mind whenever he felt like it. Pure fiction for in Scripture, in the word of God, it is written:
“He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind;
for he is not a man, that he should change his mind.” 1 Samuel 15:29
How insane are Americans to think their interests are the same as those of a foreign power --- Israel ?