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Obama May Launch Drone Attacks on Major Pakistani City
U.S. officials seek to push CIA drone strikes into the major city of Quetta to try to pressure Pakistan into pursuing Taliban leaders based there
Senior U.S. officials are pushing to expand CIA drone strikes beyond Pakistan's tribal region and into a major city in an attempt to pressure the Pakistani government to pursue Taliban leaders based in Quetta.
Quetta, Pakistan at night. The proposal has opened a contentious new front in the clandestine war.
The prospect of Predator aircraft strikes in Quetta, a sprawling city,
signals a new U.S. resolve to decapitate the Taliban. But it also risks
rupturing Washington's relationship with Islamabad.
The concern has created tension among Obama administration officials over whether unmanned aircraft strikes in a city of 850,000 are a realistic option. Proponents, including some military leaders, argue that attacking the Taliban in Quetta -- or at least threatening to do so -- is crucial to the success of the revised war strategy President Obama unveiled last week.
"If we don't do this -- at least have a real discussion of it -- Pakistan might not think we are serious," said a senior U.S. official involved in war planning. "What the Pakistanis have to do is tell the Taliban that there is too much pressure from the U.S.; we can't allow you to have sanctuary inside Pakistan anymore."
But others, including high-ranking U.S. intelligence officials, have been more skeptical of employing drone attacks in a place that Pakistanis see as part of their country's core. Pakistani officials have warned that the fallout would be severe.
"We are not a banana republic," said a senior Pakistani official involved in discussions of security issues with the Obama administration. If the United States follows through, the official said, "this might be the end of the road."
The CIA in recent years has stepped up a campaign against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan, much of it with drone strikes in the rural tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan. The operations have been conducted with the consent of the government of President Asif Ali Zardari, who has proved a reliable ally to America in his first 15 months in office.
Zardari, however, is facing mounting political woes, and the CIA airstrikes are highly unpopular among the Pakistani public, because of concerns over national sovereignty and civilian casualties. If drone attacks now confined to small villages were to be mounted in a sizable city, the death rate of innocent bystanders would probably increase.
Obama has endorsed an expansion of CIA operations in the country, approving the deployment of more spies and resources in a clandestine counterpart to the 30,000 additional U.S. troops being sent into Afghanistan.
But the push to expand drone strikes underscores the limits of the Obama offensive. The administration has given itself 18 months to show evidence of a turnaround in Afghanistan. But progress in Pakistan depends almost entirely on drone strikes and prodding a sometimes reluctant ally, which provides much of the intelligence to conduct the strikes, to do more.
U.S. and Pakistani officials stressed that the United States has stopped short of issuing an ultimatum to Pakistan. "It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use heavy-handed tactics when you've got this kind of relationship," said a U.S. counter-terrorism official. Like others, he discussed the issue on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.
Obama alluded to the effort to enlist more Pakistani help on the day his strategy was announced.
"The most important thing we can do in Pakistan is to change their strategic orientation," Obama said in a meeting with news columnists Dec. 1. The pursuit of Al Qaeda involves a range of activities, he said, "some of which I can't discuss."
As Obama deliberated over the strategy for Afghanistan through fall, administration officials consulted with Pakistan in high-level meetings in Islamabad, also using those sessions to pressure the government to do more.
Among those involved were Gen. James L. Jones, Obama's national security advisor; Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan; and Leon E. Panetta, director of the CIA.
"We have applied enormous pressure," the senior U.S. official said.
Pakistan is not expected to hand over Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban leader and longtime ally of Osama bin Laden who fled Afghanistan when U.S. forces invaded after the Sept. 11 attacks. Omar is believed to have used Quetta as a base from which to orchestrate insurgent attacks in Afghanistan.
But U.S. officials said they have presented Pakistan with a list of Taliban lieutenants and argued that, with a U.S. pullout scheduled to begin in 18 months, the urgency of dismantling the so-called Quetta shura is greater than at any time in the 8-year-old war.
The senior Pakistani official bristled at the suggestion that Pakistan has been reluctant to target militants in Quetta, saying U.S. assertions about the city's role as a sanctuary have been exaggerated.
"We keep hearing that there is a shadow government in Quetta, but we have never been given actionable intelligence," the Pakistani official said.
Pakistan is prepared to pursue Taliban leaders, including Omar, even when the intelligence is imprecise, the official said. "Even if a compound 1 kilometer by 1 kilometer is identified, we will go find him." But, he added, "for the past two years we haven't heard anything more."
Pakistan has launched a series of military operations against Islamic militants over the last year. But those operations have been aimed primarily at Taliban factions accused of carrying out attacks in Pakistan, not the groups directing strikes on U.S. forces across the border.
The CIA has carried out dozens of Predator strikes in Pakistan's tribal belt over the last two years, relying extensively on information provided by informant networks run by Pakistan's spy service, Inter-Services Intelligence.
The campaign is credited with killing at least 10 senior Al Qaeda operatives since the pace of the strikes was accelerated in August 2008, but has enraged many Pakistanis because of civilian casualties.
The number of attacks has slowed in recent months. Possible causes include weather disruptions and difficulty finding targets as insurgents get better at eluding the Predator, and larger Reaper, drone patrols.
Of 48 attacks carried out this year, only six have taken place since the end of September, according to data compiled by the website The Long War Journal. The latest attack occurred Friday, in which a senior Al Qaeda operations planner named Saleh Somali is believed to have been killed.
The drone attacks have been confined to territories along Pakistan's northwestern border, regions essentially self-governed by Pashtun tribes. The province of Baluchistan, however, has a distinct ethnic identity and its own separatist movement. It is one of Pakistan's main provinces, and strikes against its main city, Quetta, would probably be seen as a violation of the nation's sovereignty.
A former senior CIA official said he and others were repeatedly rebuffed when proposing operations in Baluchistan or pushing Pakistan to target the Taliban in Quetta. "It wasn't easy to talk about," the official said. "The conversations didn't last a long time."
Pakistan is working with the CIA to coax certain Taliban lieutenants in Omar's fold to defect. U.S. officials said contacts have been handled primarily by the Saudi and Pakistani intelligence services. The results of the effort are unclear.
The CIA's main objective in Pakistan remains the hunt for Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates recently said that it had been "years" since any meaningful information had surfaced in that search.

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Show AllImagine the response if the headline read "Pakistani Government Considers Airstrikes on US Cities in Order to pressure US Government".
We would have people calling for Pakistan to be nuked yet the US Government will openly call for this and not be taken to task?
The USA is a nation run by insane warmongering pricks. The "beacon of liberty and Justice" my ass. This is beyond "Politics as Usual". This demonstrates the USA remains the largest purveyor of violence in the world.
They are a rogue nation. They have no respect for LIFE and no respect for the law. They are run by a lot of war criminals.
Using the worldview of a Henry8th (They started it, look what they were doing in China therefore it was OK to Nuke the Japanese) Pakistan is perfectlty in its rights to Nuke Los Angeles.
Hypocrites and idiots. "We are not as BAD and as brutal as iran? " No you are ten times worse.
Perhaps Pakistan may decide to nuke a US aircraft carrier group in order to persuade the US to be less aggressive in attacking Pakistani cities.
That would be the "Honorable" thing to do. The problem is that the Terrorist Narco State that is the USA would respond by Nuking Karachi.
The USA has demonstrated it sees no difference between Civilian and Military targets.
This is just depraved. But it certainly does a lot for the Public Images of the Russia's, China's Irans and North koreas all of whom leapfrog ahead of the USA as "Nations of Peace".
Even Israel looks the Choir boy next to the USA.
Although Obama reneges on many campaign promises, bombing Pakistan is one of the few campaign promises he has not wavered on.
Just send the damn thing by UPS or Fedex.
Pakistan DOES have nuclear weapons.
How hard would it be to install one in a shipping container and detonate it in say, New York Harbor on arrival?
I would guess NYC is pretty secured but I am sure there are other areas not yet secured by detection machines.
Though they are installing radiation detection machines on some pretty small Mexican border crossings.
The harbor is wide open. The rad detectors are dockside for monitoring as the cans come off. Spot checks with hand held Geiger counters are done, but are you going to stop every container ship and inspect every can by hand? The US economy would grind to a halt in less than a week.
And you don't even have to tie up at dock. Just get in harbor and *BOOM*! No more Manhattan skyline.
Good thinking, but why does everyone assume that anything has to be delivered in response to some future outrage?
A sensible country would have sent the package earlier before all these radiation detectors etc. were invoked. Sent in small innocuous increments and have the final product in place or distributed for future assembly with sleepers as caretakers.
The best protection against such terrorist violence would simply be for US to start treating other nations with respect, eliminating any desire for anyone to engage in such terorism. Do thay worry about such attacks in, say, Stockholm, Split, Thessaloniki, or Lisbon? After the Madrid train bombings, Spain pulled out of Iraq and keeps only a minimal presence in Afghanistan. Overnight, this move practically elimitated the threat of terrorism.
Sure, individual violent nuts may still arise, but absent any grievances among the population, he would have trouble getting any recruits. Absent US imperialist foreign policy, meddling in Soviet-occupuied Afghanistan, and global capitalist impoverishment and disempowerment, Bin Laden would simply be an engineer running a Saudi construction company, or at worst, a kook on a corner in Ryadh.
Recall William Blum's "If I were President" remarks.
This looks like Obama has just launched another hot war in Yemen this time.
"Yemen's Houthi fighters say the US fighter jets have launched 28 attacks on the northwestern province of Sa'ada.
The US has used modern fighter jets and bombers in its offensive against the Yemen fighters, Houthis said in a statement.
According to the statement, the US fighter jets have launched overnight attacks on the Yemeni fighters, Arabic Almenpar website reported.
The development comes as The Daily Telegraph on Sunday reported that the US has sent its special forces to Yemen to train its army."
you are right. i have been posting about that today also .
WAR war war everywhere...that's the USA 's greatest export.
Obombya's targeting the wrong place. If he really wants to end terrorism the drones need to target Wall Street.
Obomber is a wimpy moron.
Whats the best way to get the Pakistan military to give Islamists the BOMB?
Why how about bombing a major Pakistan city?
Obomber is an irredeemable idiot.
More war necessitates more war which necessitates more war.
I spit and puke on Obomber.
"...the CIA airstrikes are highly unpopular among the Pakistani public..."
No shit?
"U.S. and Pakistani officials stressed that the United States has stopped short of issuing an ultimatum to Pakistan. "It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use heavy-handed tactics when you've got this kind of relationship," said a U.S. counter-terrorism official. Like others, he discussed the issue on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject."
Drone strikes in Quetta? Thank goodness the U.S. has decided not to use heavy-handed tactics.
Obama/bin Laden ... May Launch Drone/Martyr Attacks ... on Major Pakistani/U.S. City ---
U.S. officials/al Qaeda leaders ... seek to push CIA drone/Islamic Martyr strikes ... into the major city of Quetta/New York ... to try to pressure Pakistan/the United States ... into ...
pursuing Taliban leaders based there/removing U.S. military bases from Saudi Arabia.
Can someone tell me, what's the difference between drone attacks and martyr attacks? What's the difference between a Pakistan city and a U.S. city? What's the difference between human life in Pakistan and human life in the U.S.? What's the difference between Obama and bin Laden?
oBama oSama
The difference is obviously BS, meaning of course there IS no difference.
The difference is: they are both terrorists but Obomba has a bigger budget!
There is a significant difference of course: one risks and sacrifices his own life, while the other risks and takes the lives of others with immunity and impunity.
You know what this is about.
It's about destroying Pakistan vis a vis India.
A quid pro quo for India's supporting the USA against China.
Fucking Idiots! Sorry, no other words come to mind.
I couldn't have said it better myself...
So now the big cities are open to ... B-52 saturation bombing? No more of those puny UAVs.
I've gotten so I can hardly respond to these articles. I can't imagine what these peoples' lives are like- it's too hard and horrible. To think my tax dollars are going to fund this... I want to be sick.
Don't pay (federal) taxes then. You might feel better.
The turdhead is doing this to get reelected; he has totally gone to the dark side.
whatever the Taliban are .. and much of the world by now knows they are largely of tribes , primarily pashtun, that have straddled that region across the modern boundaries of pakistan and afghanistan - and therefore PREdate ANY US IMPERIAL designs..
that is a MAJOR city of Pakistan - and this is clearly an OVERT act by the USA against pakistan's own sovereignty.
another act of AGGRESSIVE war INSIDE a sovereign country by the USA EMPIRE.
the world can see : the USA INTENDS to dominate everywhere and anywhere .
but THAT is going to be the USA's own downfall. as it is not going to be just "about pakistan" or a particular city, or a particular group or "insurgents" or "terrorists" ...
it is a demonstration to countries everywhere - that the USA WILL remain a recalcitrant THREAT to THEM and WILL commit WAR CRIMES to achieve its "full spectrum dominance" .
but then - that is when the bees and hornets will sting right back until one day - the giant will find itself stung so severely it will stop breathing when its throat closes from inflammation -- starting from its own doing. and what's more -- it won't be from just ONE "brand" of "bad guys" as the USA likes to call...but each with different reasons to "HATE THE USA"
and NOT because of "our freedoms" but because the USA HAS DESTROYED the freedoms and ways of life of others for ITS own selfish interests.
it could come not because they are "terrorists" or "insurgents" - it will come as a matter of COLLECTIVE justice imposed on the one TYRANT of the planet as payment for its many injustices upon countless populations elsewhere.
of course - obama is dutifuly going to make his theatrical show of going into his white house office to "deliberate" and let people wait upon his majesty's "decision" arrive at with "great concern and wisdom" ...and then comes out to "speak" that "there is no other way" but the
INTENDED WAY - which is to MAKE WAR BY ANY MEANS and by EVERY Means. it is the "american way".
and he will of course pronounce that the "INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY OF CIVILIZED NATIONS" will join "US".......
as he demonstrates how HE leads in THREATENING the community of nations in the entire world. ..with destruction if they don't bow to the USA Empire.
whichjust happens to be INDEBTED to the whole world but won't acknowledge it OWES the world all of that debt. and at the same time , like a GANGSTER for capitalism that it is - HOLDS THE WORLD HOSTAGE with its Grand Army and Monster Bombs.
such is the "american way" as preached by Emperor Barack Obama.
How much collateral damage will result? Will the drone attacks win the hearts and minds of the Pakistani people? The rest of the world?
Expanding, Escalating, Widening, Undeclared, unConstitutional, Internationally Criminal Acts of War! A war criminal Congress, president and Country!! Unless, We, the People Demand Peace and Desistance!!!
the USA has habitually quarreled with people everywhere....often calling each current , convenient "threat to world peace" as the NEW HITLER.
when all along the ONE AND ONLY EVEN BIGGER HITLER
IS the USA. it even predates Hitler , since the americas were stolen from the Native Indians.......
lest anyone forget that....
Have they lost their minds?
We are a nation run by depraved vampires, con men, pirates and lunatics.
There's nothing more to be said.
You are too kind in your description. If I may I continue:
Low-lifes, scum-bags, scum-sucking, POS, murdering carpetbagging sonnafabitchas.
Did I leave anything out?
:)
HEY! Leave the pirates out of this. They had rules of conduct and acceptable behavior.
They were in many ways very democratic and egalitarian.
The captian was only a big cheese during battle
What the hell kind of "clandestine war" has its major offesives/new strategies ANNOUNCED BEFOREHAND IN THE LOS ANGELES TIMES!!!????!!!
-Sorry for shouting, but people who can absorb that contradiction and not shout "what craziness is this!" have lost their minds.-
This "clandestine war" whose details are widely publicized represents a definite new, and higher, level in the ever escalating "Emperor's New Clothes" structure of U.S. Media Culture.
How's this for "clandestine"?
I give you the confirmation of the "Beast of Kandahar":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091208/pl_afp/usaviationmilitarydrones_20091208212912
-matti.
This is unbelieveable. So now we escalate against Pakistan, Afganistan, are trying desparately to attack Iran, and threaten Columbia.
It certainly seems that the neocon's agenda of PNAC is forging ahead full steam. It also seems that it is only a very short matter of time before we start seeing some very serious blowback from all of our foreign adventures. Meanwhile, from within, the nation is a collapsing tinderbox where the financially destitute from all walks of life square off against each other instead of taking those responsible for their poverty to task.
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted...at least for the wealthy white Christian men.
Colombia? What does Colombia have to do with this?
Columbia is next door to Venezuela, and home to forward US military bases. Columbia's government is also owned lock, stock and barrel by US Corporations. Venezuela is home to large (though dwindling) oil reserves and a government who doesn't like the US. You do the math.
It's spelled Colombia. Any proof US corps "own" Colombia's government? Also the US will simply have access to Colombian military bases to aid in fighting the drug problem down there, that is all. This type of aid has been going on a very long time already peacefully.
This is how it works. When your war of occupation goes badly, you expand it to the guerillas' base areas and borderlands. Then after you've turned the millions of people there against you, without dampening the insurgency, you expand further, into newly "crucial" areas. Repeat until you are exhausted from killing, and bankrupt, and you just can't take it anymore. Then go home, blame your defeat on the weak hearts in your country, and prepare for the next war.
And it's one, two, three what are we fightin for? Don't ask me I don't give a dam (I give a dam!) next stop is Pakistan . . . and it's one, two, three . . . everyone, sing along!
The next verse merely add the word Iran. However, they won’t be using drones for that one.
Scott Ritter sums it well in his latest column Our Murderers in the Sky. “War is hell, as the saying goes. Murder, on the other hand, is a crime.”
To the credulous that voted for Change? You've all been duped!
Thank you though for playing Wheel! . . . of! . . . hegemony and mendacity
This sick fuck needs to be standing before the international criminal court, but instead he's getting the Nobel Peace prize. What a lying, twisted sack of shit!
U.S. is full of sh*t again. If they strike Quetta, then I've read that the Balochis are much more fierce fighters than the Taliban are, so much so that the Taliban wouldn't ever try to confront the Balochis. If that's true, then they're evidently not people to piss off. And I'm not sure, but believe this article that I read also said that the Balochis and Taliban don't get along.
Pakistan's surely right in saying that the U.S. hasn't provided "actionable intelligence". After all, it's standard procedure with the U.S. "leadership". LIES, LIES, and more lies.
""What the Pakistanis have to do is tell the Taliban that there is too much pressure from the U.S.; we can't allow you to have sanctuary inside Pakistan anymore.""
I dislike having my name used in such an utterly illogical piece of drivel. These mentally deficient desk war suits are out of their depth and living in a warren of groupthink fantasy.
Heading south out of Afghanistan to further the encircling of Iran?
Somehow I don't think bombing Quetta will win any hearts and minds and the blowback could be mind boggling.
The psychopathic elites holding this country hostage have now officially crossed the line into total insanity and they are dragging the whole planet with them.
What an idea! As humanity begins to get sucked down into a total planetary crisis due to the converging trends of Peak Oil/Everything and climate change, and still hasnt begun to see the bottom of the meltdown of the global financial system, what better thing to do than to continue to politically destablize the planet by expanding our Imperial wars, piss away more wealth, generate more pollution, kill more people, spread more ill-will.....I started getting sick to my stomach halfway through the article.....
""The most important thing we can do in Pakistan is to change their strategic orientation," Obama said in a meeting with news columnists Dec. 1. The pursuit of Al Qaeda involves a range of activities, he said, "some of which I can't discuss."
SuperCommander Oblahblah looks at his decoder watch and realizes "I can bomb anyone anytime just like George did! Whooo-wheeee!!!"
Looking at the structure of the current US military, it reminds me of the Nazis: technically superior, but divided, carrying out orders actually detrimental to overall military power for geopolitical reasons, and committing massacres on the behest of the High Command. One can only guess on what's likely to happen next to the US military when they try to attack a prepared foe.