Iraq War Protesters Gather Near Hofstra On Debate Day
HEMPSTEAD, New York - A series of Iraq war protests throughout the day culminated with the arrest of 15 people on disorderly conduct charges at the gates of Hofstra University.
The largest crowd, about 350 people, carrying signs and shouting
slogans, gathered outside the gates at 5:30 p.m. and remained for
hours. Smaller groups gathered earlier on campus, in downtown Hempstead
and at the Hempstead train station.
About 7:30 p.m. a scrum broke out between protesters and mounted police outside the gates when police refused to allow anti-war veterans into the debate. Mounted police pushed a group of about 200 people away from the gates, inciting some protesters to hurl obscenities at the police.
At least two people were hurt in the commotion when a police horse stepped on them, witnesses said. Ambulances responded and left with at least one person, whose identity and condition were not available.
Nassau Police spokesman Det. Lt. Kevin Smith said, "They were turned away from trying to enter the Hofstra north gate. When they insisted on coming through they were placed under arrest ... there might have been one injury. I don't believe that it was serious and he was taken to an area hospital."
Most of those arrested were expected to be released on court appearance tickets for Nov. 10, police said.
Earlier in the day, Jean Stevens of Manhattan, a spokeswoman for peace group Code Pink, said the anti-war protesters were "here to bring our message to both candidates and both parties to stop the war."
But Moe Fletcher of Island Park, whose son Jacob died in Iraq in 2003, said he came to Hofstra to "support the troops ... and the country." Fletcher and a dozen pro-troops demonstrators got into a few shouting matches with the peace protesters, but police said their intervention was never needed.
The peace protesters were members of a patchwork of anti-war groups. Geoff Millard of Washington, D.C., a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, said he favors an "immediate withdrawal" and "full benefits for returning servicemen."
At a 3 p.m. rally on Washington Street, several speakers fired up the crowd of 150 with impassioned speeches against the war. Some demonstrators held signs that said "Drive Out the Bush Regime" and "Bail Out People - Not the Banks." Some speakers were vaguely pro-Barack Obama, and almost all were vehemently anti-John McCain.
One speaker, Vietnam veteran Hugh Bruce of Brooklyn, said: "Both political candidates are giving us the pabulum that we should be winding down in Iraq, only to increase our involvement in Afghanistan."
Bruce added: "We better hope Barack Obama is another Franklin Delano Roosevelt, because we're gonna need one."
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Show AllLast night's WBAI Evening News had a story on the event, Rebecca Myles interviewed one of the IVAW protesters who was arrested and the injured,trampled vet was thrown into the bus with other arrestees,but sent to hospital after the others on the arrest-bus made a fuss. "Using horses as weapon", he said. And the guy who was trampled "his face was broken" (story on www.wbai.org where shows are archived)
Both duopoly candidates have dissed the veteran protestors again and again.
The real dissin hasnt even started--how the f*ck are we gonna pay for their health care, etc., with l this money going to Wall St???!!
excuse me, presidential.
as tamarque rightly pointed out in his/her post to another article, it's okay for a loud-mouthed vice presidetial candidate to incite racism at her pointless pep rallies, but to protest a war gets you arrested. priorities.
Please take a look at picture of Iraq War Vet Nick Morgan's fractured face after he was trampled for protesting this illegal and horrid Iraq war.
We can only hope that all of the troops in Iraq get to see the treatment their fellow Vets are receiving back here at home. The home of the free, right?
This whole dam war is based on nothing but an F'n lie!
All of our troops should be outraged at this!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Meet-the-Protestor-Who--by-Cheryl-Biren-Wrigh-081016-682.html
I dunno. I guess I thought that the all articles on the side of CD with the color photos were really being highlighted, not "pushed to the side".
Just me, I guess.
I dunno. I guess I thought that the all articles on the side of CD with the color photos were really being highlighted, not "pushed to the side".
Just me, I guess.
I have about 16 photos from the scene, what they did do IVAW member and Iraq Veteran Nick Morgan knocked out cold!~ His blood all over the pavement, my Chapter President took them.
Jack booted fucking thugs, because McInsane keeps refusing to meet with them, they only wanted permission for 2 members to be able to attend and ask 1 question. Bad asses for asking such a thing yeah?
www.ivaw.org
www.veteransforpeace.org
BillofRights
More coverage here: http://ivawactions.ning.com
Yes, wouldn't it be great when people truly loved their kids and their family instead of their "country" and it's government. You have to really wonder about people who put country first when they really have no say or don't even truly know what their country is doing - but they do know the kid they conceived and raised.
Jeevee
What height of hypocrisy is it that this country is called a "democracy"? A democracy for fascists?
The peaceful demonstration was by IVAW, Iraq Vets Against the War. One was trampled. (see www.democracynow.org). A vet comes home from war, to get trampled by a cop riding his horse on him. I was a protester during the Vietnam War (or the American War on Vietnam), in the late 1960s in midtown Manhattan. We were corralled by the NYPD into a street in the W.30s, blocked in at each end, and the police marched horses into us, packed as we were. This also happened to a spontaneous group of marchers protesting policy of NYC to gays in the 1990s:cops attacked on horseback.
Now I see the similarities of the war in Viet Nam and the war in Iraq.
Huh, Could you explain a bit?
Have you ever noticed how any article that isn't pro-same old same old gets pushed over to the side on common dreams, making room in the middle for the "why we all have to vote for Obama" rationalization articles??
Yes.
The picture kind of reminds me of the scene from Doctor Zhivago where the czarist troops on horseback chase down a group of communist protestors. I guess we do have a czar in the white house and our government does seem to protect the interests of the wealthiest and powerful over everyone else.
What about the pro-war people being called pro-troops? When one of the "patchwork" groups was IVAW?
And the pro-peace groups called "peace protestors"? They weren't protesting peace, they were protesting war.
"Note there's the later mention of someone going to the hospital from the otherwise portrayed as gentle 'pushing' from the horse police." I forgot his name but he was an IraqVet and was TRAMPLED by a horse! Why do th pigs,who are supposed to "protect and serve" always stomping on the rights of "we the people's" right to peacefully assemble? What are they afraid of and just who do they really serve? Time for individual lawsuits against cops who trample on our rights. Take their jobs, homes, pensions, everything they have!! Your, and my rights must be vigorously defended!!
Welcome to AmeriKKKa!!!
When I read the headline of this article I thought it was that anti-war voters were going to send a clear message and not for either of the two major party pro-war candidates. That true anti-war voters would vote only for Nader or McKinney, the ant-war candidates. That anti-war voters would value the lives of people everywhere, including Afghanistan and Palestine. No anti-war voter should be even considering a vote for Barack Obama and his imperialist aggression and terrorist beliefs.
Long Island's NewsDay is and always has been a rightwing rag. The fact that they reported this as straight as they did is astonishing.
There used to be two different views (leftish and rightish) at Newsday. They alternated days on the editorial page. On the leftish days you could often find news suppressed at the New York Times.
Joe
Another example of the Military Industrial Media Complex in action.
I love all the little 'tilts' in this article.
For instance, mounted police only 'push' protestors away. But protestors 'hurl' obscenities. Just from those two verbs, the police are protrayed as gentle, but the protestors as violent. Of course, an obscenity, no matter how its 'hurled' won't hurt anyone. But anyone who's seen horses used in crowd control knows there is nothing gentle about how they trample people.
Note there's the later mention of someone going to the hospital from the otherwise portrayed as gentle 'pushing' from the horse police. I don't see any mention of anyone going to the hospital from being hit by a hurled obscenity.
The notion that the people protesting have any right to do so is missing from this article. Any notion that this is a democracy where maybe the candidates should listen to people is missing.
I also love the way they avoid telling the reader who the protesters were in most cases. They simply say there was a 'patchwork' of groups. This avoids the basic reporters responsibility to say who these people were and what they wanted. Code Pink gets a mention, and IVAW gets one quote after that to let you know they were there.
This of course is 'balanced' by quotes from pro-war demonstators. One would get the impression there were two equal groups of protestors out there. You have to read closely to realize the anti-war protesters far out numbered the pro-war protesters.
And, speaking of numbers, 350 is an odd one. If you were looking at a crowd of hundreds of people and were asked how many people were there, would you say '350'? Or would you round it ot the nearest hundred and say '300' or '400'. However, if you said there was 700 people there in your estimate, then divided by 2 to deliberately under-report the crowd size, then you get to 350.
Note ... I wasn't within a thousand miles of this, so I don't know how many people were there. But I've seen exactly this happen as the on-scene estimates mysteriously get divided by 2 once or more times before they appear in the corporate press. Unless of course you are a pro-war demonstrator, then your crowd size gets inflated by the use of the word 'dozen' instead of a specific number like '10'. A gentle way of inflating that crowd size. If it was put in the same direct terms as the anti-war protestors, then the 350 vs 10 disparity would be obvious. And note of course that polls show the same general disparity between say 75% of the people who oppose these wars and the minority who support them.
There is of course no mention of this broad and well-documented opposition to these policies in this piece. In fact, the whole article is designed to hide that and to portray the protestors as a bizarre fringe that opposes a popular policy instead of as representatives of a massive and unheard majority in the country that wants these wars to end.
Just subtle little tricks on how people are manipulated. Be aware of them. Point them out to other people. The manipulation of mass opinion by the corporate media is a key pillar on which the current system is built. Attack it whenever possible.
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"Just subtle little tricks on how people are manipulated. Be aware of them. Point them out to other people. The manipulation of mass opinion by the corporate media is a key pillar on which the current system is built. Attack it whenever possible."
thanks... all good points.
Yes, and on top of this, the police doing the pushing and trampling think that they were doing a service to society by keeping the unruly mob away from any possibility of entering the private-property venue where the rigged debate was being held for benefit of the American public - er, I mean corporatocracy. We CAN'T have citizens storming into PRIVATE PROPERTY, even if that property is being used to perpetrate a hoax of the highest political importance, and even though those citizens are trying to claim their own political voice.
There's a decorum to these things, after all.
Yeah, I agree that the piece was a whittle tilted.
But not as acutely tilted as the warmongering bent of the "real" candidates.