How I Stopped Hating Thanksgiving and Learned to Be Afraid
I have stopped hating Thanksgiving and learned to be afraid of the holiday.
Over the past few years a growing number of white people have joined the longstanding indigenous people's critique of the holocaust denial that is at the heart of the Thanksgiving holiday. In two recent essays I have examined the disturbing nature of a holiday rooted in a celebration of the European conquest of the Americas, which means the celebration of the Europeans' genocidal campaign against indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States. Many similar pieces have been published in predominantly white left/progressive media, while indigenous people continue to mark the holiday as a "National Day of Mourning" (http://www.uaine.org/).
In recent years I have refused to participate in Thanksgiving Day meals, even with friends and family who share this critical analysis and reject the national mythology around manifest destiny. In bowing out of those gatherings, I would often tell folks that I hated Thanksgiving. I realize now that "hate" is the wrong word to describe my emotional reaction to the holiday. I am afraid of Thanksgiving. More accurately, I am afraid of what Thanksgiving tells us about both the dominant culture and much of the alleged counterculture.
Here's what I think it tells us: As a society, the United States is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt. This is a society in which even progressive people routinely allow national and family traditions to trump fundamental human decency. It's a society in which, in the privileged sectors, getting along and not causing trouble are often valued above honesty and accountability. Though it's painful to consider, it's possible that such a society is beyond redemption. Such a consideration becomes frightening when we recognize that all this goes on in the most affluent and militarily powerful country in the history of the world, but a country that is falling apart -- an empire in decline.
Thanksgiving should teach us all to be afraid.
Although it's well known to anyone who wants to know, let me summarize the argument against Thanksgiving: European invaders exterminated nearly the entire indigenous population to create the United States. Without that holocaust, the United States as we know it would not exist. The United States celebrates a Thanksgiving Day holiday dominated not by atonement for that horrendous crime against humanity but by a falsified account of the "encounter" between Europeans and American Indians. When confronted with this, most people in the United States (outside of indigenous communities) ignore the history or attack those who make the argument. This is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt.
In left/radical circles, even though that basic critique is widely accepted, a relatively small number of people argue that we should renounce the holiday and refuse to celebrate it in any fashion. Most leftists who celebrate Thanksgiving claim that they can individually redefine the holiday in a politically progressive fashion in private, which is an illusory dodge: We don't define holidays individually or privately -- the idea of a holiday is rooted in its collective, shared meaning. When the dominant culture defines a holiday in a certain fashion, one can't pretend to redefine it in private. To pretend we can do that also is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt.
I press these points with no sense of moral superiority. For many years I didn't give these questions a thought, and for some years after that I sat sullenly at Thanksgiving dinners, unwilling to raise my voice. For the past few years I've spent the day alone, which was less stressful for me personally (and, probably, less stressful for people around me) but had no political effect. This year I've avoided the issue by accepting a speaking invitation in Canada, taking myself out of the country on that day. But that feels like a cheap resolution, again with no political effect in the United States.
The next step for me is to seek creative ways to use the tension around this holiday for political purposes, to highlight the white-supremacist and predatory nature of the dominant culture, then and now. Is it possible to find a way to bring people together in public to contest the values of the dominant culture? How can those of us who want to reject that dominant culture meet our intellectual, political, and moral obligations? How can we act righteously without slipping into self-righteousness? What strategies create the most expansive space possible for honest engagement with others?
Along with allies in Austin, I've struggled with the question of how to create an alternative public event that could contribute to a more honest accounting of the American holocausts in the past (not only the indigenous genocide, but African slavery) and present (the murderous U.S. assault on the developing world, especially in the past six decades, in places such as Vietnam and Iraq).
Some have suggested an educational event, bringing in speakers to talk about those holocausts. Others have suggested a gathering focused on atonement. Should the event be more political or more spiritual? Perhaps some combination of methods and goals is possible.
However we decide to proceed, we can't ignore the ugly ideological realities of the holiday. My fear of those realities is appropriate but facing reality need not leave us paralyzed by fear; instead it can help us understand the contours of the multiple crises -- economic and ecological, political and cultural -- that we face. The challenge is to channel our fear into action. I hope that next year I will find a way to take another step toward a more meaningful honoring of our intellectual, political, and moral obligations.
As we approach Thanksgiving Day, I'm eager to hear about the successful strategies of others. For such advice, I would be thankful.
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Show AllIn creating an alternative to Thanksgiving we could strive for inclusiveness of like minded people first and allow the event to evolve from there. Whether the approach is ultimately more political or spiritual will depend on who chooses to get involved. But my hope is it would start out mostly as a political event and evolve into a spiritual one. I imagine a gathering of everyone who shares a common unease with Thanksgiving for whatever reason. In my case that reason is I stopped eating meat four years ago. I made this choice out of love and over time came to appreciate the political, environmental and moral implications of my action. I imagine others coming to the table to share their own reasons for being among us. Over time I would hope this would become less a reaction to Thanksgiving and more an event with it's own rationale, mythology and ritual.
To peacenlove---
Your sentiments explain why I said I cannot eschew Thanksgiving. It has such a special meaning to me, but somehow I cannot get into some collective "holiday" about it.
I am certain that this has to do with the Dissolution of my Family. The divorces. The realization of the sudden lonelinesses.
I think humans need special days of commemoration & communion but most of the important ones have become totally commercialized. My tendency on Thanksgiving is to fry some chicken wings instead of doing a baked turkey, and open a can of cranberry sauce, preferably with the cranberries still relatively intact. A fried apple is a good idea in my late autumn repertoire of chef's delights.
For me, Thanksgiving opens up a nightmare of winter Depression. (I suspect that it also does so for Jensen but he can't say so...) All the horrors of my misunderstood childhood come back. I am certain that for many families, Thanksgiving is a "commemoration of PTSD."
What we need is truly honest commemorations and truly honest holidays totally devoid of commercialism. I haven't seen any lately. Even the odes to the victims of 9/11 have been corrupted.
The problem with Thanksgiving? It's almost as bad as Christmas. Jensen, your exegesis (exeJesus) on Christmas? I await your denial of tenure. May the academic gods be with you. Even in Texas.
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Although it has done much for my reputation as a pariah, I acknowledge Thanksgiving in a number of ways. Often I fast or eat very little so as to give thanks for the food I've been fortunate enough to eat all year. I usually spend the day alone, in reflection, avoiding and declining multiple invitations to gorge. Sometimes I write letters to editors or call in to talk shows to express my view of the "holiday." A couple years ago I explained my reasons for fasting and expressed my disgust with the Native genocide on a national PBS call-in show, Talk Of The Nation. I like this writer's idea to turn the day into some form of collective national protest or mourning. I would like to get together with others of like mind, but you all are scattered and hard to find.
Fear isn't the best word to apply to Thanksgiving. Maybe "shame" or "disgust" might be a better way to describe it.
If there were a "Gott mit uns" Day in Germany celebrating the good things that the Third Reich brought to that country, people might find that a little hard to take. So too with the U.S. Thanksgiving Day, which is wrapped in a too warm and fuzzy view of colonial and Native American relations.
Sure the basis of the holiday has something to do with the English Harvest Festival. Once again, that isn't why people celebrate Thanksgiving. Sure, Lincoln wanted it to be a holiday - for national unity purposes, but that isn't why people celebrate it.
We celebrate it for the myth: the warm and fuzzy feeling that a great crime didn't happen on this soil.
We've forgotten that the worst holocaust on the planet happened right here in the Americas. Read the history by David Stannard: "American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World."
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/American-Holocaust/
David-E-Stannard/e/9780195085570/?itm=7&usri=American+Holocaust
Yes, we love our families, but we can't participate in a lie. Find some other excuse to get together.
-TIA
"We're toast, and that's pretty depressing."
Nah, don't say that. Don't let the Satanists win. We can beat 'em.
My continental family was not all that familiar with the American version of 'Thanksgiving' - but we did surely enjoy the 'Harvest Festival' - which was indeed once very popular when our societies were mostly agrarian. This often coincided with deer hunting season in my part of the country - and many people were indeed very grateful for the venison. (Not me - I hate the stuff, and it hates me.) As for wild turkey - I'm not too sure about that - never ate any, but figured it would be as bad as wild geese, which also migrated about the same time and fed many people. (Not me, again, but I never liked wild rabbit either - but I loved moose, and moose hunting season seemed to coincide with Canadian Thanksgiving...)
I love all the fall and winter 'holidays' - festival of lights (equinox), harvest festival, and any other excuse to liven up a dreary season. Weather isn't very inviting until about January, up North, you know. As for those 'indigenous' people - well, we immigrant kids didn't know they were any different than the rest of us. We were just jealous of their nice year-round tans... also shared by many Italians... of course, Scandinavians were a bit pasty-looking... but nobody cared.
I like Jensen's writing usually, but he seems to be losing it the last couple years - and I don't blame him. We're toast, and that's pretty depressing. Fascism isn't fun - and there is no happy endings to it. So let's use any excuse to get together and socialize - just don't call it the 'American Thanksgiving Holiday' and we'll be okay. (And be sure to stay home on the day after the 'official' US Thanksgiving - that's Corporate Fascism day to me... the 'official' Wal-Mart Day.)
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAYS
NEVADA CITY CALIFORNIA
http://indigenouspeoplesdays.org/
LET THIS HOLIDAY REPLACE THE LIE ...
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hi robert. i am feeling ya! hey have you ever listened to alan watt, cutting through the matrix? interesting stuff ... the thing is the global elite planned our memory melt down. they planned our stupidity with flouride, toxins in the water. they want to kill 80% of the humans, not just indigenous people. but certainly this experience has taught the global elite how to do it again, nobody cares, right? every one is hooked up to the alpha, sucking the teet of the nwo ... ready to be marched into the camp, sprayed with chem trails and get a good sterilzation going ... the same guys who invented the polluted blankets to give the indigenous americans, have invented the H!N1 vaccine.
now sit down and shut up and let the nwo order kill you just like it has everyone, courtesy DARWIN et al. hey dont worry whitey, european white males have the lowest sperm count on the planet, because they have been worked on the longest. cool eh? and african americans have the lowest birth rate in the us .. courtesy margret sanger, an eugenicist who hated black people -- and invented PLANNED PARENTHOOD. dont get me wrong i am prochoice, just the medicine person way, not big pharma eugenics brainwashed way ...
and when the yupies say yippie kill humans for the planet where did that come from: the global elite who created darwin and orwell and huxley ... they have programmed us for so long we would willing kill kill kill ... will it ever end????
finally, i am not being flipant here,
peace on earth.
Hell, what's wrong with Thanksgiving? We could celebrate it as a demonstration of the goodness and necessity of socialism. The English settlers were unable to feed themselves, and the indigenous people were kind enough to share their abundance with those who needed it.
but I'm sure the Goode Pilgrim Fathers offered to pay.
then they could later slaughter with a clear conscience.
"We could celebrate it as a demonstration of the goodness and necessity of socialism."
zmann, that is an excellent idea. The people who cry foul on socialism should be reminded of Thanksgiving Day when they actually embrace it without realizing it. Thank you. :)
P.S.: As to your question, that's why Thanksgiving needs to be reframed in a positive light without sounding blissfully ignorant.
Why learn to be Afraid?
Here is an Idea.
Be Thankful or not in any way you choose to relate to Thanksgiving.
it is important to make words mean something.
we are so manipulated and so agreeable. i say no. let us use thanksgiving on a real day of thanksgiving ... the day the global elite are all put in prison.
that would be a good day on earth for all peeps.
Criticizing Thanksgiving is a way to challenge USan complacency. It's like putting tacks in someone's seat to help deter them from sitting at the table to partake in the petro-feast served by the elites, to fuel our ever-growing consumption addictions, to harness us like beasts for service to the imperial machine, to help build warheads for the predater drones to fire, and to never bother about who's children or parents we helped blow to smithereens, just to perpetuate our plunder/consumption ritual. In the end we'll be thankful someone put the tacks in our seats.
Not in any way to dispute the article's characterization about the beginnings or the politics of the "nation" entity Now called the "United States of America", I'd like to offer a defense of the "holiday" called "Thanksgiving": from birth and for all my life, I thought of the holiday as a day many people collectively spend one day of our time out of a year feeling and practicing gratitude together for all we have - for me, Thanksgiving is an occasion to get out of my "everyday" consciousness in which my Mind is mostly concerned with my thoughts, plans, considerations, and judgements about living - it's a day to practice noticing the value of my Life itself, understanding the blessing it is just to be alive - to become aware of the amazing goodness and wonder that fills my life every minute between my first breath and my last, regardless of my circumstances - so this year I think I'll just be glad about that again on Thanksgiving - and I'll think about what you said about the shadow side of the history of the holiday - and I'll be glad for you and your reflection in my life and the information you taught me about - peace
Good thoughts... A great time to contemplate how our life on this little planet in the infinite universe is so awesome.
Boy, this is one debate I wanted to avoid, and I have not finished reading the incredible writings of those above, but before I go back I just have to say to thegreatrockyhill that his description of the author Jensen as a "self-hating white man" was PRECISELY the term that came to me as I read the article.
I also agree with those who have written that to conflate the genocide in the Americas with Thanksgiving is anachronistic. This early European contact in North America with the Eastern Woodland Amerindians, as any anthropologist knows, could not have been simple. According to the lore, the so-called first Thanksgiving was in effect a communion among the two, for it is said that without the help of the local natives, the Europeans would have perished. And they knew it.
Thus I do not eschew Thanksgiving but given all that has happened since, I do not acknowledge it as among my holidays.
Also, while I am no friend of Catholicism, I do not believe that the Pope issued any Papal Bull calling for going out and spreading disease. For starters, there was no Germ Theory of disease at the time. It would have had to be couched in entirely different terminology if it existed as any sort of Proclamation at all. On the other hand, by the early 1800s, smallpox was fairly well understood and steamboats (esp. The Yellowstone) went up the Missouri and infected the Mandans by distributing infected wool blankets. Whether this was done in tandem with the Sioux, who were enemy to the Mandan, remains at issue. The Mandan were virtually exterminated by smallpox. At least one early report has it that as they died, they crawled out of their forts and asked the Sioux to kill them.
The "genocide" of the Amerindians is grossly oversimplified in the U.S. psyche. To begin to gain an understanding of how complex the European Conquest of the Americas was, one might start with wiki's "Chickamauga Wars." It is probable that the Western Tensions preceding 1776 were far more important than anything at the Eastern side of the conflict. I love wikipedia for the egalitarian community it is.
Pardon my CAPS...
In reading about the pre-revolutionary Indian Wars I am struck by the fact that except in head-to-head combat there were no "either/ors." Let's see: Amerindians (many tribes), French, Spanish, British, German, others in smaller part, ALL participants at several levels. There is a REAL history here, with individuals actually named, and their exploits REPORTED, however inaccurately.
My own view, as it is now evolving, is that pre-revolutionary America, which took a few centuries to evolve, was a time when the issue of Free Will really was at the cusp of History. The outcome of the American Revolution was by no means predetermined. On the Western Front,before 1776, any of a million decisions by individuals could have changed the outcome.
On this score I'm with the Quakers. They had it right. Also the Mennonites. Thank god for William Penn! (Am I joking?)
All my immediate Elders are dead. I am become the Elder. Columbus was bi-polar. America was discovered some three centuries earlier by Prince Madoc (1177) and maybe earlier by others. Columbus returned to Europe to report to the Queen. Prince Madoc went back to America and became part of the population. It is said that some of the Mandans were blond and had green eyes. Who is to say who was right?
I'm with Prince Madoc. TWO journeys by ship to the New World, as did Columbus much later. It is about time for Western Civilization to acknowledge Prince Madoc. Recognition changes History.
Happy Thankgiving!
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Not to forget the other Welshman, Richard ap Meric, who supplied America with its name.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/9/messages/529.html
Haha. I was taught in high school that it was an Italian guy named Amerigo Vespucci or something like that...
Robert Jensen says, "As a society, the United States is intellectually dishonest, politically irresponsible, and morally bankrupt. This is a society in which even progressive people routinely allow national and family traditions to trump fundamental human decency. It's a society in which, in the privileged sectors, getting along and not causing trouble are often valued above honesty and accountability."
Welcome to Vermont! Silence is survival. Groupthink is mandatory. The sqweeky wheel gets the sledge hammer. If you don't look, act, dress and behave like "you're supposed to", there is something wrong with you and the sneaky campaign to "rid Vermont of the wrong type person" begins in earnest behind your back. The silent treatment works best but you can be disappeared in a lake or the woods if you become too much of a pain in the ass. The weird thing is, these straight jacket lunatics think they are progressive liberals! It's unreal how conformist they are to their "unconformity". The basis of all bigotry is the staunch belief that you are right about everything. That is the way Vermonters mostly feel and they reflect, quite acurately, the mindset of our country. Arrogance and bigotry go hand in hand.
Robert, I have a suggestion. Campaign for the elimination of mass production and a renaissance in quality, long lasting products. Include in your campaign a mandatory four day week to save on energy, reduce pollution, and increase employment because, in addition to not having mass production, businesses with four day weeks would have to hire more people.
What does that have to do with the Thanksgiving Holiday?
If all weeks are four day weeks, holidays become meaningless. Think about it. Yeah, it's a bit devious, but we Vermonters don't mind being gamed if it looks like we are getting something out of it.
All seriousness aside, I think you should enjoy the end of our civilization. Set up a bunch of metrics to measure the collapse and monitor them. Sell the information to others. It probably won't help but you never know.
The universe is a lot bigger than this world. Even the Catholic church is admitting there are probably some ETs out there. They are probably watching us. Do the same. There are so many agressive people with bombs, bullets and bio-weapons that you know they are going to use them. Stop hoping for a change in human nature. It'd not going to happen. Accept that the good among us are always the few and the powerless in the physical plane. It doesn't end here.
Speak loudly and condemn the world every day if you think it's the right thing to do. It's all you can do. There is no need to be depressed about the irrational belligerence of homo sap. Our species as a whole is not, and never will be, a kind and altruistic species.
Words grow in power as they connect with reality. People will learn in their own time.
And then there is Columbus Day celebrating the depopulation of two continents.
"I thought you were going to say Crazy Horse or Black Elk. No matter, it is something important to try an understand."
Them too. Leave no voices out.
"Now I'm starting to get the chills. I'm all for turkey, but in 1941 FDR was baiting the Japanese, hanging the US fleet in Pearl Harbor like expensive bait, and drumming up nationalism to get the States into war.
The fact that we battled a more racist and more despotic set of regimes, including one as aggressive as our own, should not make us assume that the goals of our leaders were that much different than in other wars.
I think you're mistaken to set aside 'cultural issues' as apart from politics. There are plenty of distinctions, but they fall so many ways that I at least have no idea where you would draw such a line.
If the nationalists found an ethnocentric WASP-centered holiday worth promoting in a search for nationalistic ferver, maybe they were on to something. And if they were, we had best avoid it or do some serious tweaking."
Your points are well-taken. I only mentioned what I did about 1941 because that Thanksgiving as a federal holiday a relatively recent thing. I didn't try to tie it into WW2, which history shows had not all that much to do with "fighting evil" anymore than the current War on Terror has.
Did it whip everyone up into a nationalist frenzy? It certainly doesn't do that nowadays. Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Veteran's Day aren't really doing that anymore either. They're all days off for most people and excuses to drink and eat and maybe light off some firecrackers.
I don't mean to dismiss cultural issues, but I think that socioeconomic issues create the cultural issues. There are too many people that want to attack the cultural issues more than the socioeconomic issues.
That's why the whole "political correctness" shit drove me up the wall. None of it ended intolerance, bigotry, and chauvinism, let alone institutional discrimination and inequality. It certainly didn't address class at all, the Great American Taboo. None of it does. And that all plays into the lie that things will be ok if we just end the intolerance, bigotry, and chauvinism.
I mean, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton, Armstrong Williams, Michelle Malkin, Condy Rice, Pat Sammon, Tammy Bruce, and Michael Steele all knocked down barriers did they not?
bligh4
Robert Jensen is a sad, angry little man. Leaves more turkey for the rest of us...
Well... ANGRY is correct. One out of three ain't bad!
· Yr Obd't Servant
I love Thanksgiving and so does my family. Now, I can't tell you the exact year in which the first Thanksgiving was celebrated, but I imagine it was in the 1620s or 1630s, some time before the white man's inhumane conquest of the native population had occurred. I imagine, too, that the celebration was a genuine giving of thanks by those who had survived the horrors of living in a new land. Are you grinches going to tell me that the part of the Thanksgiving story that tells of Native Americans' attending the feast along with the Pilgrims is fake?
Sorry, but this is one holiday of which I have no intention of depriving myself and my family.
Jeevee
YES, BE GLAD THAT YOU'RE NOT A TURKEY! THEY'RE MASS PRODUCED UNDER SUCH UNUTTERABLY CRUEL "fattening" THAT THEY CANNOT STAND ON THEIR SLENDER LEGS, THEN MURDERED BY MANY MILLIONS. CAN ANYONE SPEAK UP FOR "TOFURKEY"?
http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_turkeys.asp
Retailers rely on Black Friday & paired with the historical insensibility required as part of US citizenship, any historical information intended to change behaviors is crushed by the black hole of the national mind.
Folks, we been puttin' human heads; the heads of men, women, and children on pikes starting back in 1609 with the first group of Dutch nasties in Manahatta...glad folks are catching up. Right now, this celebration of Master's conquest is 4 days of Freedom to do any damn thing you want, that hopefully doesn't include marginally literate high school graduates with badges and guns or NSA surveillance satellites or AT&T intercepts....
Ya'll gettin' front row seats on the death of the species - man made and jumped up monkey approved... this is how the savage cannibals ate themselves...somewhere somebody wrote that there is no justice here, the evil consequences of the evil men do does not fall on them, it falls on their children and grand children...it will be a meteor shower from Hell, and we made it all...refused to make a civilization, let alone a society, based on inclusion, REFUSED with all the hysterical violence of our tribe and now we pay the piper... and the bill will be a heart stopper...but then folks been sayin' that for 45 years at least and probably much longer...nobody listened then, ain't nobody gonna listen now...say the words all you want, the walls of resistance are impermeable, like a determined suicide...ever seen one?
Peece.
The effort to educate Americans about indigenous peoples exploitation is valuable.
This can include organizing dinners/potlucks/festivals/theatre and musical performances in regular community and school spaces around holidays like Columbus Day and Thanksgiving in order to provide attendees with information about past and present indigenous peoples' intiatives and history. Partnering with existing groups can increase your number of attendees.
Today, Thanksgiving Day for most Americans is an opportunity to simply spend time with their family over a meal. They express thanks for their family, their meal and life in general. The story of the pilgrims/Indians is far removed from most peoples' minds on this day.
It is very worthwhile to outreach to educators to teach our children the truth about our history, as Zinn has done in the children's version of A People's History of the United States. Special events should be held on holidays like Columbus to offer truth.
Americans have to begin to see indigenous people as equals, not as "other" people that are lesser. The idea that we must relate respectfully to people different than us and that we cannot claim resources of other people at will is what needs to be impressed.
Organizing ongoing yearly events can help achieve this.
AMY GOODMAN: Is the end of poverty possible? Why did you do this film ["The End of Poverty?" riffing on a book of that title, without the question mark, by Jeffrey Sachs]?
PHILIPPE DIAZ: Well, you know, I think it was for two reasons. The first one was to explain that we are in a very dramatic situation today, I think much more dramatic even than global warming, because, you know, if, as an expert says in the film, we are consuming today 30 percent more than what the planet can regenerate, we are in a very dramatic situation, because world population increases every year. And it simply means that we will have—for us, in the countries of the North, to be able to maintain these great lifestyles we have, we will have to plunge more and more people below the poverty line in the countries of the South, unless, as the same expert says, we can find six more planets with the same resources, you know, because if everybody in the world was living like we live in America, we would need six planets to have everybody, you know, happy and have the same lifestyle.
AMY GOODMAN: I mean, to give a sense of the severity of the situation, every 3.6 seconds, another person dies of starvation in the world?
This from an interview on DN this week.
Interesting article from Jensen and, as usual, fascinating comments from the CD community which sent me, as usual, running to Wikipedia. Doesn't appear that the Thanksgiving holiday was overtly "rooted in a celebration...of European genocide...against indigenous people." (I had no idea the percentage of Native Americans killed by European diseases was so high.) But the whole glorious founding and development of the United States of Marketing surely was. And more recently, like a lot of other economic activity, genocide has been moved offshore. I've actually moved offshore myself so will spend that Thursday working, but man oh man, what do we Americans have to celebrate in November of 2009? If I was back in NY, I'm sure I'd try to find some way not to be alone on Thanksgiving, to find someone to overeat and numb my brain with. Or if I was in CA, I'd join in a big family food fest and try not to "ruin" the warmth and conviviality or cause a scene with one of my shrill, neurotic anti-American rants; as someone, maybe Aging Pacifist, said, I'd try to look beyond the inane chatter and take advantage of a rare opportunity to be near loved ones. Or would I? I'm sincerely asking myself. I'm racking my brain as to how I can be part of "the solution." Well, if we have nothing to celebrate, we do have much to be thankful for. Even with the massive transfer of wealth orchestrated in the last 30 years, and at a geometrically accelerated pace in the last 13 months, and 10-20% unemployment and no universal health care, the majority of us can STILL (at least this year) be grateful for the privileged economic position we occupy solely because we had the good fortune to be born in the "First World." I read about the babies being born in Iraq with two heads because of the poisons our army has bombarded that country with (for the SECOND time in 20 years) and then I read Frank Rich's (he's as good a rep of the "liberal" MSM as any) latest apology for poor, right-bashed Obama in the context of the terribly challenging recipe he has to write for Afghanistan (how many troops, how many drone attacks, how much DU and God knows what other fantastically nightmarish weapons, how much funding for USAID--and the contractors--will go into this particular MIC soup to win "hearts and minds" until the damn pipleline is underway), then an article by Michael Lerner about the causes of terrorism which really have to be addressed you know, with nary a mention of Israel and the Palestinians, and I start to cry. Is there still time for a "solution?" Yeah, Thanksgiving, the prelude to Christmas, that other Christian holiday, when we humbly celebrate peace on earth, good will toward men.
"The pilgrims were a nasty lot. In Jamestown they poisoned each other for religious supremacy."
Oh absolutely. No one should be putting them on a pedestal either, but why were they that way? Were they just evil or were they desperate?
History should by all means be taught candidly in the vein of Howard Zinn and James Loewen. I'll never dispute that.
The bunch in Jamestown had nothing to do with the Plymouth colony.
I thought you were going to say Crazy Horse or Black Elk. No matter, it is something important to try an understand.
howard zinn had a little to say about thanksgiving
didn't he. there are food banks in your area that
are stretched beyond their capacity to feed our
homeless.10 dollars will pay for 3-4 folks to
have a nice meal for a change and we can feel that
we who the blade of corporate america hasn't
visited us yet can help those who it has.
Yeah, a local church dropped off a paper bag for their pantry, I loaded up the rest of my pasta and cereal into it.
All in all, though, it would have been better if, rather than the Pilgrims landing on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock had landed on the Pilgrims.
Cole Porter, intro to "Anything Goes."
"Times have changed, and we've often rewound the clock,
Since the Puritans got a shock,
When they landed on Plymouth Rock.
If today,
Any shock we would try to stem,
Stead of landing on Plymouth Rock,
Plymouth Rock would land on them"
Don't be scared of Thanksgiving...or anything else in this Perishing Republic.
The pilgrims were a nasty lot. In Jamestown they poisoned each other for religious supremacy. Unfortunetly the puritians won.
There is nothing to fear or hate about Thanksgiving. Yes, it's just a one day event and yes, this country is filled with ungrateful people. However, I don't think that simply distancing oneself from that occasion will solve anything. Our ancestors may have committed genocide against these sweetheart natives but we descendants do not have to be blamed for it nor do we have to be gluttons for it. I share the passion and frustration looking at our cornfed electorate but we must reframe Thanksgiving from the materialism frame to the gratitude mindset frame.
thegratrockyhill and pjd412, thanks for trying to give us a little positive view on this. We cannot ignore that our ancestors killed the natives but I too also feel that maybe we are allowing our sorrow and passion for those victims of genocide to get out of control. I don't think pjd412 is ignorant or naive about the genocide. We all know that it has gone on for years and not just during Thanksgiving every year. It is possible to reframe and rethink the way we view Thanksgiving.
maxpayne, yes I agree with you about the word "gratitude" being dirty but that is why we need to reframe the event Thanksgiving. Thegreatrockyhill provided some good examples of that.
clearbluesky, I agree that today's "Thanksgiving food" is worse than yesterday's and largely responsible for keep more people ignorant and in some ways lazy. People do take abundant food for granted but these current unsustainable practices of Big Agri can only go so far. If more people had to grow their own food and/or paid locally for better quality, they would be forced to understand the real meaning of Thanksgiving straight from their heart.
"There is nothing to fear or hate about Thanksgiving."
Ahem.
I accepted a customary invitation from a sibling, even though this year it involves an unusually large crowd, and the location has been moved to their seashore home.
The Sibling kindly made a reservation at a supposedly nearby motel, knowing I would demur at Bunking with Others.
Still, given these problematic circumstances, I cannot accept your categorical statement. Speaking for myself, that is.
Think good thoughts.
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OS, I share your outrage with the way Thanksgiving is framed as. I truly wish society were more humble and grateful so that we wouldn't have to have one day called "Thanksgiving Day" just for token "gratitude". I believe Thanksgiving Day is really a joke day for all the materialism that goes with it but rather than fear or hate it, maybe we should rethink the way we see that occasion and spread around some ideas for what it might be worth. I could be wrong though.
"Because Jensen's predicament, for all its superior intellectual sophistication and sensibility, disturbingly parallels the anti-intellectual fundamentalist Christian condemnation of Halloween, and their primitive fantasy of being Defenders of the Faith resisting the secular War on Christmas.
Just as Jensen unequivocally condemns and rejects Thanksgiving as left-handed commemoration of genocide, so do the fundie crusaders revile Halloween as incipient devil-worship. In this view, all of the virtues and joys that accumulate around the Problematic Holiday count for nothing against the fundamental ideological flaws in the holiday's roots and foundation.
IMO, the good is peremptorily discounted as fruit from a poisoned tree."
THANK YOU.
"You should not curse welfare recipients who shop at WalMart, no--but you SHOULD do something about the EXISTENCE of the cancerous exploiter that WalMart is. Here in Mexico WalMart practically built one of its stores on top of the pyramids of Teotihuacan--despite the resistance of the community!"
Oh I hate Wal-Mart and won't shop there. I lend "The High Cost of Low Price" DVD to everyone I can. Talk about an evil company.
My sister is on welfare, and we try to take her to other places to shop, but often, it's all she can afford.
When I have accompanied her there (not buying a damn thing of course)I never see smiling faces, from the customers to the employees. For such a bright, gleaming place it sure is depressing to be there.
I wish Teotihuacan would destroy all the Wal-Marts when no one's inside. Seriously.
"Not all leftist academics are white BTW--although the educational establishment has tried very hard to silence the minority voices that might transfer a lilttle fact, instead of jingoist fiction, to the young people in universities and colleges."
True, but most of them are. Minority voices have often been stifled in the movement in general.
"You and your loved ones have not come far enough to pack your bags in shame and leave."
I have considered doing just that at times.
Btw, I agree that Columbus Day is definitely a bullshit holiday. I would definitely not have a problem with abolishing that holiday since it was created to honor an evil man. Italian-Americans have so many other people to be proud of and claim. But if we're going to abolish it, we also need to teach along with that. Tell people WHY Columbus was so evil, and it can be done in a way that doesn't alienate and only empowers.
I always thought Columbus Day should be replaced with Garibaldi-Day.
This is a cultural issue and nothing more, and it's this focus on cultural issues that leads the Left astray. You can't change the culture without changing the system first and rectifying historical wrongs. If we change the system, maybe the culture will follow. Maybe people will gradually celebrate Thanksgiving less and less. And even if they continue to do so after we enact all of this socialist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, ecological change, so what? Most people, even those who are right-wing, who celebrate it don't intend it to be an affront to anyone. It's an excuse to gather with family and eat and a day or two to sleep in.
Hell it wasn't even a federal holiday until 1941.
Now I'm starting to get the chills. I'm all for turkey, but in 1941 FDR was baiting the Japanese, hanging the US fleet in Pearl Harbor like expensive bait, and drumming up nationalism to get the States into war.
The fact that we battled a more racist and more despotic set of regimes, including one as aggressive as our own, should not make us assume that the goals of our leaders were that much different than in other wars.
I think you're mistaken to set aside "cultural issues" as apart from politics. There are plenty of distinctions, but they fall so many ways that I at least have no idea where you would draw such a line.
If the nationalists found an ethnocentric WASP-centered holiday worth promoting in a search for nationalistic ferver, maybe they were on to something. And if they were, we had best avoid it or do some serious tweaking.
An article I stopped reading. It seems to be confused about history. I was taught that Thanksgiving (the original) occurred long before the policy of genocide was firmly established. Most native deaths before the original Thanksgiving were due to disease not the intended actions of European settlers. True, the disease was celebrated by some as a gift from God. But, not by all. Thus, the article's "leftist" understanding of Thanksgiving is revisionist in the pejorative sense. It ascribes a motive to the holiday that is anachronistic. The fact that the native population was nearly exterminated in later years does not undo the fact that the Europeans would not have survived without the help of Native Americans. It seems to me that a celebration of Thanksgiving is perfectly consistent with deploring the later genocide. Indeed, it makes the later genocide even more deplorable by adding ingratitude to the mix of sins involved.
I come from a long line of people who worked for the rights and the survival of Native Americans, Quakers. Am I to maintain that since the genocide happened these people were equally guilty of genocide? Or, may I think that these people had it right: all should have been, and remained, grateful and sympathetic to native Americans?
I am perfectly able to celebrate Thanksgiving in my own way, as many celebrate X-mass in their own way. In fact, it is better that I do. Rather than standing aside, I participate and have my view heard by others who may adopt it.
Perhaps, some should be leftist in their way, while I am leftist in mine. Perhaps, presenting various leftist views will be more effective in moving the populace as a whole to the left. Perhaps, we should be thankful that there are multiple leftist views passionately held and defended.
By the way, don't eat the turkey. Don't eat any animal products. Save your health and save the climate. This is much more important than one's views about Thanksgiving.
Although I agree with Jensen on this issue, I have skirted it in a way I suppose. My approach is that Americans as a whole get very little time off, and cannot give up what too little family time they have without substituting it with some other time off. I do religiously uphold No Shopping Day after Thanksgiving, but I have celebrated Thanksgiving for many years now by inviting our international friends to dinner. These friends are actually students studying at the university and do not have family in the country, and so they are grateful for a "family" to celebrate with. On my end, I have enjoyed their company and many insights, and appreciated that my children grew up with people of many different religions, cultures, and colors. I felt flattered when they jokingly called my home "the united nations." Two years ago my daughter and I moved back to my native Norway (after 30 years in the US) because of the concerning political situation there. But we will always treasure those memories in the US!
How I wish I could go to Norway and leave this nightmare country behind.
Same here. It seems we are intrapped in a country run by local gangsters and internaltional war criminals.
Who would have thought that our declaration and constitution would have led to this dismal state of affairs?
"Americans will largely, sit around and eat thier factory farmed turkeys, with hydrogenated and electronically pasturized gravey over a nice selection of genetically engineered vegetables. All this while celebrating thier freedom. You cannot step off your reservation anymore than native people that were forcefully put there over a hundred years ago. It is safe to say that the concept of freedom has changed for both. Please pass the recently gased apple pie."
So, ok? What if we made it so that all the food were naturally grown, developed, and prepared? What if we also made that food affordable for most people? You act as if most people choose to eat over-processed food. It's difficult and expensive to avoid. The system has to change. Abolishing holidays and lambasting the 99% won't do that.
How "free" are most working and poor people?
What? Should I stand outside a Wal-Mart today and curse out all the welfare recipients that shop there since it's what they can afford? Should I volunteer at a soup kitchen on Thanksgiving and spit in everyone's food. That'll show 'em.
Jensen's gonna leave the country though. I guess like most of the upper-middle class white academics that permeate the Left, he likes to be insulated from all that poverty and shit.
If more people had to grow their own foods or pay more and be conservative in their eating and spending habits, they would be forced to learn the real meaning of Thanksgiving. That is another lesson I learned when I found myself living on my own. I think that it is both addiction and pricing of over-processed food along with people less trained and motivated to grow their own food which makes it hard to avoid.
Americans will largely, sit around and eat thier factory farmed turkeys, with hydrogenated and electronically pasturized gravey over a nice selection of genetically engineered vegetables. All this while celebrating thier freedom. You cannot step off your reservation anymore than native people that were forcefully put there over a hundred years ago. It is safe to say that the concept of freedom has changed for both. Please pass the recently gased apple pie.
Hey, it is your reservation and your celebration. I guess you should do what you think is right. Just be glad you are not a turkey.
Ending the celebration of a holiday, one whose origins are disputed and is celebrated by people of all ethnicities and backgrounds, will not save the world. Wringing our collective hands with guilt over things we did not do will not save the world.
"Most leftists who celebrate Thanksgiving claim that they can individually redefine the holiday in a politically progressive fashion in private, which is an illusory dodge: We don't define holidays individually or privately -- the idea of a holiday is rooted in its collective, shared meaning."
Ok Bob, should people in general, not just leftists (shouldn't we all be this way? Should right-wingers happily celebrate Thanksgiving? Are they supposed to?) stop celebrating Christmas which has been said to have objectionable origins as well. Should we celebrate any holidays? Should we close down the soup kitchens on Thankgiving Day?
Most people don't even know how and where Thanksgiving originated. It's a day off or a four-day weekend in the eyes of most, where people eat and sit on their asses. They aren't decorating their homes with nooses and Native American effigies. They aren't drinking anyone's blood.
Personally, I could take or leave the holiday, but changing it won't do a thing. Anyone who tries will just make themselves look like someone on the fringe with a contempt for mainstream society and therefore will not be successful. And even if they are, what good will it do? How will it better the human condition?
Once again, and I really don't like to say this and almost refrained from reading and commenting on this article since I know what the author is about, Robert Jensen demonstrates that he is a self-hating white man. No positive change will ever come from men in general thinking themselves to be rapists, murderers, and carnivorous monsters.
Me? I'm worried about the air, the water, inequality in all its forms, the predatory economy (one which doesn't do me any favors), and all the wars the elites start and profit from. I don't nor have I ever wanted to conquer any group of people. My anger remains trained on the oligarchy that holds us all hostage in various ways.
How about reparations for all the people affected by imperialism, the class war, the military/industrial complex, something that few people actually reaped dividends from? Wouldn't that do a lot more than killing a holiday and beating ourselves up over history? Then how about truly socialist reform on top of that? You all know what I;m talking about. I get tired of repeating the grocery list of things that should be done.
"I press these points with no sense of moral superiority."
Yeah sure.
It could be that I've never really been mired in the subculture of the Left. I'm more about smart, ethical solutions to societal ills. A holiday never killed nor rescued anyone.
thegreatrockyhill, although I generally admire Jensen-- and may be muddied, if not mired, in the culture of the Left-- I have to concur with your criticism.
I accept Jensen's general point that individuals ought to examine cultural phenomena like holidays, strive to understand the history and values embedded in them, and "own" or disown them accordingly.
I share his repugnance at the dominant culture's predilection for creating or mutating traditions and values in conquered peoples to serve the dominant culture's mythology. I understand why in the Sixties counterculture, artist-illustrator Norman Rockwell was despised as a reactionary myth-enabler for producing saccharine and superficial magazine covers of happy WASP families practicing "traditional" Amerikan rituals like Thanksgiving dinner.
But I reacted exactly as you did to: "I press these points with no sense of moral superiority." (I thought "Yeah, right!" instead of "yeah sure".)
Because Jensen's predicament, for all its superior intellectual sophistication and sensibility, disturbingly parallels the anti-intellectual fundamentalist Christian condemnation of Halloween, and their primitive fantasy of being Defenders of the Faith resisting the secular War on Christmas.
Just as Jensen unequivocally condemns and rejects Thanksgiving as left-handed commemoration of genocide, so do the fundie crusaders revile Halloween as incipient devil-worship. In this view, all of the virtues and joys that accumulate around the Problematic Holiday count for nothing against the fundamental ideological flaws in the holiday's roots and foundation.
IMO, the good is peremptorily discounted as fruit from a poisoned tree.
One problem, as Jensen notes, is that a holiday is really not "one" thing. As others have noted, Thanksgiving is merely the latest incarnation of a primordial post-harvest celebration of bounty and mutual affirmation. One may choose to renounce a holiday for its hypocrisy, or "de-canonize" it (probably not the right term) as "Saint Christopher" was "disappeared" after the Vatican determined that there was insufficient proof of his actual existence.
"Columbus Day" is an easy one to "disappear", and despite my Italian ethnic heritage I wouldn't miss it one bit. But I don't notice a similar call from the Left to quash other manufactured "fubu" holidays, e.g. Kwanzaa.
BTW, I join with others here to note that growing up in an "Italian-American" family in Philadelphia, the Pilgrim myth was certainly promulgated, but not taken very seriously, much less revered. It was more of a decorative "theme". Although the Happy Horseshit myths about the Pilgrims and Indians were part of the parochial school experience-- William Penn was a homie of sorts, after all-- the myth was pretty much an excuse for the celebration.
As others have said, it's not exactly as if one had to make formal obeisance to the Pilgrim Gods before digging in to all that good food. Mmm... turkey!
I don't have a good closer to sum up the question of whether Thanksgiving should be ignored, censured, or re-purposed-- and if preserved, exactly what form it ought to take. I certainly appreciate Jensen's overall admonition against puerile complacency.
And I'm definitely for developing an antidote to the horrific and seemingly-ineluctable commercial "holiday season creep" that dooms Amerikans to the cultural rape of mercantile "Christmas" muzak and decor beginning just after the Fourth of July sales-mania.
I think we can ALL agree on that.
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"Saint Christopher" was "disappeared"
so who's the dude on all the medallions?
I'm glad I don't claim papal infallibility myself when writing ex Internetia-- even though I've got the seat for it.
Saint Christopher wasn't entirely "disappeared", but his pedigree was deemed too shaky to keep on the A-list Calendar of Saints. At least that's the party line.
See: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=36
It's not much different than Hollywood, or Broadway in its day; the audience gets bored and restless; younger, hungrier, better-looking performers start cutting into the finite pie of fame-- "fame" being a secular synonym for "worship".
When the Vatican implemented Fast-Track Canonization® in recent decades to boost sagging market shares, they knew that some of the old-timers Had to Go. It was a risk they had to take-- a business decision. Whether it's a Global War on Terror, or the War to Put Asses in the Seats-- er, Souls in the Pews-- there's always collateral damage.
I imagine the Creator of the Universe calling him in and saying, "Chris, you're the Patron Saint of Travellers, right? Well, son, it's time for you to travel your ass right out the Calendar Suite door and live off the fat of your fans."
Ironically, since he's gone indie his popularity has skyrocketed-- the huge discounts on the medals caused buyers to turn up in multitudes. "Mysterious ways", eh?
Saints, like holidays, must sometimes go through many changes to stay relevant.
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Thanksgiving and Columbus day are both celebrations of genocide and both need to be eliminated. It is good to read the caring comments of many posters. Jensen is attempting to illuminate reality and find ways to mitigate it. Surely even the Christian God recognizes that giving thanks for Genocide is inappropriate and sinful, right? Wrong! It was the issuance of the Papal Bull Inter Caetera that sparked the great genocide, the killing by murder and purposeful spreading of disease, of over one hundred million Indigenous Peoples on these lands. Protestant and Catholic Christians continue to celebrate genocide and to actively participate in it. American Indian traditional culture continues to falter under Christian assault. American Indians continue to suffer and die early deaths under the failure of the Government to honor it's treaties. The goal is still elimination through quiet genocide. Just remember that it is not American Indians who bring disaster upon America, but white American's who do so. Greed is both your master and executioner. The reaper is on your national doorstep. Wishful thinking about mitigation is likely to late.
Estimates of the fraction of indigenous populations who fell to Western diseases run as high as 90% (I believe the best-documented example was of natives on Vancouver Island). We should recognize that if the kill-ratio had run the other way, many European nations would be heavily influenced if not owned outright by Native American cultures. This doesn't excuse what the immigrants did with those Indians who remained, but its hard to imagine them doing it in the first place except on populations already horribly decimated by Western diseases.
The Thanksgiving holiday is just one part of the official national narrative that glorifies war, conquest, social-Darwinism, nationalism, imperialism etc. and omits the rest.
We are taught very little about what happened to the First Nations, African slaves, white indentured servants and poor working class people etc. We are taught to worship the founding fathers and great rich white men. We are taught that they made it possible for us sorry worthless peons to survive, and that we owe everything to them.
What Jensen describes is nothing new, yet needs repeating often.
For example, we still have team mascots that demean and insult the indigenous population:
"The Washington Redskins"
"The Atlanta Braves"
"The Kansas City Chiefs"
Now imagine if those racist caricatures were directed toward Chinese, Mexican, African, or Jewish folks?
Why are they allowed to continue?
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I wonder if the Harrisburg PA Patriot-News will print the following letter to the editor that I just sent.
"Please remember to say a prayer this Thursday for our military service people overseas defending our freedoms here at home as we celebrate the white European genocide of the indigenous people of North America."
Nicely done!
Well Jensen makes a great point here. One thing we should object to is the fact that we as a people use this and other holidays as ways to teach our children lies about our past so as to indoctrinate them to the myth of our decency when our history and present is anything but decent. I don't think most adults make conversation on Thanksgiving that inspires us or lifts our consciousness. We don't use the occassion--the so-called intimate family gathering--to educate ourselves and our children as to what's really happening in the world or to solidify our commitment to one another by showing respect for truth and intellectual integrity in our common relationship with one another and the rest of the world. All too often we use the occassion to banter on about football, shopping, or other forms of small talk. I too often find myself sitting quietly in the midst of happy talk thinking of topics that I know are taboo and might cause upset if they were opened for discussion. And so I and maybe others too spend the time covering over our most important intimacies, fears, regrets, and sorrows with pretense... and then leave feeling more alone than we did before we came.
We shouldn't have to use holidays to"educate ourselves and our children as to what's really happening". Making small talk with people with whom we may disagree on matters of substance is a way of retaining and celebrating our common humanity; don't sit quietly. Talk already; connect with those people. Some conservatives are remarkably decent and caring folks, really! And somewhere down the road, they may even listen to you when they stop perceiving that you are holding in your criticism of their being.
People who assume superiority to the culture in which they are embedded, whether they like it or not, cannot have any influence on that culture. I don't know about anyone else's family but my family treated Thanksgiving as a family holiday; my family don't all live in one place and the chance to get together is genuinely celebrated. I have always watched bemused as people run over each other on Black Friday; and I suspect most Americans are equally bemused. Every culture has good and bad, native American and anglo American alike. We are not exceptionally good; but it is just a mirror image exceptionalism to constantly portray Americans as exceptionally bad. It's way to akin to the survivalist nonsense to assume you stand outside your own cultural heritage with all its good and all its bad. Celebrating diversity includes native Americans, African slaves via Charleston or the Caribbean, eastern European refugees of communism, and the Daughters of the American Revolution.
I don't think fear is "appropriate". (I wish the word "appropriate" would just wither away, btw. It seems prissy to me and used as a smug simplification.)
We need to conquer fear and create significant events that will be celebrated in a new world.
the fall of the Berlin Wall was recently commemorated.
will we ever see the dissolution of ALL borders?
that would be worthy of a holiday.
I think the concept of national borders obscures the real border between the power elites (and their puppets) and the people who are resist being exploited. The victories of the latter should be consciously marked and celebrated.
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The family I grew up in was small and definitely out of the mainstream. We did mark Thanksgiving but only as an immediate family. (We were pretty much black sheep.) It was in the context of learning about indigenous people and true history. I learned about the exploitation and genocide very early, including that of my mother's ancestors. (During the time we lived in southern California, my parents wouldn't even take us kids to Disneyland because, as my father explained, Disneyland was a lie. But we explored the real world, as a family, almost every weekend. I was a lucky kid to have such parents and I never thought otherwise.)
But Thanksgiving has just kind of slipped away, not being very meaningful to me. I think celebrating it unconsciously is not OK but pernicious. What is it we are being thankful for and in what context?
I worked at D'land one summer.
We were not employees, but cast members.
And, yes, also caste members.
There were performers and stagehands.
The elite draw the borders,
so to eliminate the latter,
we must first eradicate -
the concept of the former.
"What is it we are being thankful for and in what context?"
That is an excellent question and the perfect basis for reframing the Thanksgiving holiday. Currently, the holiday is looked at in a materialism frame in terms of food and watching sports on the tellies. Thanksgiving needs to be reframed in a way that more people will look at it in terms of peace and gratitude.
Ah, good old Robert Jenson. I have to agree with him that the holiday was built on genocide to the Native Americans. This isn't the first time I stumbled across his articles. I've seen a couple of his powerful articles on the net every Thanksgiving. For a Texan, he sure stands out unique and could be a good role model for Texans to follow. What is Thanksgiving anyway? It's just another joke day just like Independence Day, Valentine's Day, Memorial Day, you name it. The word "gratitude" in America is a dirty word. Do we actually thank our foreign nations for doing all the slave labor to deliver us "cheap" bs? Hell, no ! We just buy, dispose, buy, dispose, etc ... If Thanksgiving Day is supposed
Here's the past articles on Jenson I'm referring to:
http://www.alternet.org/story/28584/
http://www.alternet.org/story/68170/
http://www.alternet.org/story/108876
While at it, feel free to comment on my past comments there. Sorry if I sounded too nasty in the past. I still call it "Turkey Day" because that's all it is anyway.
One more thing. Any of you Texans out there considered making Robert Jenson the next Governor of Texas? I know it's a long shot but he is a firm progressive.
http://www.roncobbdesigns.com/L_A_Free_Press.203.0.html
scroll down to "Thanksgiving in America"
Jensen seems to go over the top about a lot of issues. I thought that I was a doctrinaire lefty! He needs to lighten up!
For most people, Thanksgiving is a rare (for the US) opportunity to ask the boss for 4 days off in a row (or just goof off on that orphaned Friday after), and to enjoy a big feast with friends and family. Here in Pennsylvania, it is also the start of gun-season for deer, which, like it or not, is a big tradition of the industrial immigrant working-class.
The idea that it is celebrating conquest and genocide is just silly. The stuff about Pilgrims and Squanto, much less massacres, don't even enter most people's minds.
When Jensen goes to Canada, is he going to renounce Canadian Thanksgiving day?
very good day to stay out of the forest when
these fools are satisfying their combined
fantasy of blood letting and alcohol.
pjd412, your response is short sighted. Genocide continues in America today against American Indians. It never ended. Under International law the land you are living on most likely has a clouded title even though it does not show it. America's claim to plenary power over American Indians is just that, a claim. Your good Thanksgiving meal and family gathering still rests upon the continued oppression of America's Indigenous Peoples based not upon legitimate law but on the point of a gun. Benefiting from genocide is no virtue. Denial is not a legitimate defense. Celebrating on the backs of American Indians is damnable and hubris. The days of reckoning are here and America has brought them upon herself.
Can you explain, using valid logic, how a harvest-season celebration of thankfulness - such as is celebrated in practically every other country in the world, has ANYTHING whatsoever to do with the killing of native Americans???
The native american themselves probably had such a celebration!
Rush Limbaugh hemself couldn't have made as distorted a carricatrue of a post-modernism-mumbo-jumbo spewing, leftist PC elite snob, as Prof. Jensen or yourself.
Ya better hide, If they find you they will force feed you.
He might go over the top but haven't you considered the fact that Thanksgiving Day has nothing to do with being thankful according to most people? Sure, whip up a "special" meal on that occasion and forget the fact that the Pilgrims were ungrateful and murdered their own helpers. This holiday was built on genocide much as I would like to use this holiday as another milestone in being grateful for how far I and my loved ones have come so far. If you think that Jenson is being silly about telling the truth about conquest and genocide, see how far this country has really progressed. I'd say it has regressed and GOD is punishing this country in mysterious ways.
Actually, in my big Catholic family, it was about being thankful. We went around the table as added things in the grace before meal that were were thankful for in the past year. Talk of native Americans or European conquest never came up once as the occasion for celebration.
As Irish immigrants, our ancestors saw a bit of genocidal ethnic cleansing from our native lands ourselves.
Ah,native tongue, how I've missed you and your racism. Let me briefly reply as my heart moves me, thus;
"True, but you and your loved ones have not amassed the numbers or power to make us."
Back to reason-
If "being there first" establishes ownership of land forever, regardless of what (or who) comes after (as I take your comments to suggest), maybe the Zionists are right to demand what later "invaders" now call Palestine back after all. IF you disagree with that, perhaps you should re-examine your stance on the "gringos" in the U.S. as well.
This piece surprised me. I had to search my memory for instances of personally celebrating a Thanksgiving with any inclusion of the early history of the United States and its Native peoples. Now I think I remember coloring paper feathers for head decorations in elementary school - in the 50s.
As far as I know Thanksgiving has always been a holiday that features a spanking good meal, time spent with family and friends, and a shared sense of gratefulness whether religious or secular. Its focus is on the recent harvest (I grew up on a farm) and whatever else we may be thankful for from the year gone by.
The author is correct about all of us needing to know our history and recognizing exactly what America is right now. I do not, however, see the value of boycotting one of the few holidays that encourages gratitude rather than greed. One could make even more cogent arguments against Christmas, and many have done so. But although Xmas does feature greed, it also provides a much-needed winter break which is, of course, where it came from in the first place.
Thanksgiving is still the late-autumn post-harvest celebration of whatever bounty we received, a time to pause and be grateful. I've always been outside of or at least at the edge of the mainstream so perhaps the author is correct in thinking that most Americans are celebrating the conquering of the North American Native peoples. But I doubt it. Why doesn't he rail against Halloween, one of the silliest holidays imaginable.
"As far as I know Thanksgiving has always been a holiday that features a spanking good meal, time spent with family and friends, and a shared sense of gratefulness whether religious or secular."
That's how I view it as well.
Unfortunately, the most disgusting day of the year follows it: Black Friday.
You and I and our children are taught the Indian connection and how we broke bread with them. They forgot to tell us about the Trail of Tears and the mass genocide. Funny how that is. You seem like you are in denial. No small amount of irony, the biggest shopping holiday of the year, Black Friday, comes the day after Thanksgiving.
When the early invaders massacred an Indian village they would celebrate with a day of THANKSGIVING. Thanksgiving is a day set aside for the celebration of genocide. I agree that denials and rationalizations are wholly insufficient and merely mark contemporary attitudes of acceptance of the continuing quiet genocide. There is no defense of genocide. If you celebrate Thanksgiving you are perpetuating genocide.
"So tractable, so peaceable are these people" Columbus wrote to the King & Queen of Spain, "that I swear to your Majesties there is not in the world a better nation. They love their neighbors as themselves, and their discourse is ever sweet and gentle and accompanied by a smile; their manners are decorous and praiseworthy".
All of this was taken as a sign of weakness, if not heathenism and Columbus being a righteous European was convinced the people should be "made to work, sow and do all that is necessary to adopt our ways".
Perhaps we could change the name from Thanksgiving to Subjugation Day in celebration of the American brand enjoyed not only at home, but exported 'round the world.
"So tractable, so peaceable are these people" Columbus wrote to the King & Queen of Spain..." Actually, Columbus couldn't have been writing about the inhabitants of what is now the United States, since he never got this far north, but about the peoples of the Caribbean, the Tainos and the Caribs, the first victims of European, that is, Spanish genocide in the Americas. Thanksgiving is a US holiday. If you really want to respect the indigenous peoples of the Americas, maybe you could begin by recognizing the important ethnic and cultural differences among them.
Understood - and I'm well aware of the geographical history of the settling by Europeans in this part of the world. The intent of the post was only to point out the long history of subjugation of indigenous peoples by those who eventually settled here. Thank you for reminding us all that this was widespread and certainly not limited to the contigous United States.
Don't forget. Only 40 shopping days until Christmas!
The meaning of holidays is indeed collective, but I don't think most Americans consider the Pilgrim/Native American story at the heart of Thanksgiving once they get past about 3rd grade. I believe the collective meaning is contained in the name, and I think people genuinely celebrate it in that fashion. The holocaust memorial can be moved to Columbus Day, where the fabricated history is contained in the name.
Ignorance, rationalization, denial, hubris!
The past never changes.
Eating Thanksgiving dinner alone sucks... Fasting would be a better gesture if collective redemption or cultural conscious cleansing is the motivation.
To blame the custom or the celebration is hubris self righteous pride.
Acknowledging how Native Americans helped the pilgrims and then how they paid them back by stealing their lands and nearly killing all of them off is a truthful thanksgiving celebration too. If we find that Ironic, Good, because life and reality is like that.
I am thankful that we can ponder past injustice and try to overcome it with truth and love in our lives.
Americans should be thankful that the rape, destruction, exploitation, wars, disease, human suffering etc. that they have allowed their masters to visit upon the rest of the world have not (9/11 notwithstanding) really come home to roost.....yet...
"may you live in interesting times"
Yes, in Canada and England, for example, there's always a church service, Harvest Festival, in September in England and in October in Canada. But in this country it is aimed at the relationship between the Indians and the invading Europeans and I think a ceremony of mourning is a good idea here. We can always give thanks for the harvest on another day. Thanksgiving Day, because it is such a day of feasting, would be an appropriate day for us to fast and send the money we would have spent on food that day to the nearest Indian clinic or reservation or other Indian charity.
It's OK to hate a holiday or any other thing, but not people. Fear is also OK in the context the writer has provided.
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Sioux Rose
Robert Jensen is a rare writer who looks beyond the veneer of many commonly held conventions to expose "the beast" that dwells beneath their surfaces. His book on porn was very difficult for me to read, but what it exposes segues into the greater obscenity of the make-war state and its penchant for torture and endless investing in torturous weapon systems.
From an astrological perspective, Thanksgiving comes during the season of Sagittarius. This sign, ruled by the benevolent Jupiter, planet of plentitude, is indicative of the harvest and nature's abundant gifts. Its basis in celebration attunes to the heavenly calendar. However, the historical nature (as per the landing of so many white Europeans onto the American continent) is another matter, and one that Jensen exposes honestly. A good deal of recorded history involves the conquest of one people by another, usually through violence.
I finally got to view ZEITGEST as some on this site recommended, and it was fascinating to learn of the reasons why December 25 was chosen for the "birth" of Christ. I didn't realize the entire mythology surrounding Jesus was taken from other earlier traditions, miracle by miracle. Close to the winter solstice, late December-January figure statistically high with respect to levels of depression. Indeed, this season of darkness in many ways mirrors the absence of light, and ruled by Saturn, is a time for penance. Saturn, the planetary symbol for Mammon, is the astrological parallel to the myth of Satan in that it acts on human ambitions, those that "profiteth a man" enticing him "to gain the world and lose his soul" style. True spirituality is lost as material achievement takes precedence. The great masters have generally taught, "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and (then) all else will be added unto you." The adage represents developing the inner spiritual aspect, allowing that to act as compass to an ego otherwise utterly drawn to endless acquisition frenzy. Nothing of a material nature can ever feed or nourish the inner soul/spirit. However, the advertising world has blurred these lines. I finally viewed CENTURY OF THE SELF and it was quite an education to witness the degree to which BERNAYS influenced media by using powerful unconscious lures to draw people to bad habits.
On my recent trip to NYC, walking down 42nd street I looked at a sky crowded by giant skyscrapers, each an evident monolith to mercantilism, and noted how these buildings reflect a homage to Saturn/Mammon in the matter that the more primitive ancient stones reflected a more mystical homage, placed in circle at Stonehendge. The analogy left me with a surreal sense of how monuments of metal and steel assert power to the sky god, forgetting entirely the Earth Mother from which their mineral riches were all extracted.
Reading about the precarious state of the US dollar, the nation's economy tied to the virtual kite constituted by and through the derivative market (which has come to replace the market in ACTUAL goods and services), the various climate change tipping points coalescing to produce impacts few can imagine, the prophecies of 2012, "End Times," the astrological count of time via the Age change transitions... and these cues point to our current paradigm in its final hours. To those who see the dots beginning to line up it becomes increasingly difficult to live the same routines, those that once provided a sense of order and balance. We are like the ice skater moving across the surface trying to pretend that the temperature is not hovering at 32 degrees, and already beginning to climb.
Also glad you finally watched and liked "Zeitgeist", Sioux. An excellent movie. There is a second one ("Zeitgeist Addendum"), and even a third one, if I am not mistaken. I have seen the second one, and it delves a little more into the money aspect touched on in the first one.
I wasn't even aware of Professor Jensen until this article. I found the list of his books at the end of this article to be most intriguing, and they are now on my reading list.
I first stumbled across Jensen about 8 or 9 years ago.
He'd written an inspired article on the absurdity of blind nationalistic allegiance.
Sad to say, I can't find it again.
This piece is not up to his usual standard.
Instead of leaving the country for the day,
could he not volunteer to serve in a soup kitchen?
VDB
Could you perhaps be referring to an article that Jensen wrote in a book that was entitled, along with a series of other essays, and edited by Joel Westheimer, Pledging Allegiance: The Politics of Patriotism In America's Schools? Jensen's piece in that book is in Ch. 6 which is called Patriotism Is a Bad Idea at a Dangerous Time.
I was doing some online research about Jensen to find out more about him. Apparently he also wrote an article in The Houston Chronicle just after 9/11 that decried the attacks but stated (correctly!) that they were "no more despicable than the massive acts of terrorism -- the deliberate killing of civilians for political purposes -- that the U.S. government has committed during my lifetime." People clamored for his resignation, and the president of the university even raked him across the coals for daring to suggest such things. Would this by any chance be the same article? That was certainly a dangerous time to have a bad idea like patriotism rearing its diabolical head, so it sounded like it might be the same article.
Thanks Erroll, that might be the piece.
here's an interesting read:
"Needless to say, alcohol and strippers do not an Islamic fundamentalist make."
http://rense.com/general88/trp.htm
hmmmmm.
I am glad you watched Zietgest. I think I might watch it again today. It has been a while.
If you have not watched "Earthlings", I would highly recommend it. Hopefully it will take you to the next level. Movies like Zietgest and Earthlings prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we represent the nadir of human existence. The time for right action is NOW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E-LxTVENqQ
As for 2012, I would avoid it like the plague. It is already shaping up to be a massive fear based marketing schtick that offers us nothing of real value. I note the History Channel, National Geo, and full length feature movies are stepping up big time. There are very real and urgent problems we face today and if we focus our energies on end of times prophesies, no good will come of it. I would like to also point out that some on the left are using these same fear based strategies to further their global warming agenda. I find it ill-advised and counter productive. It will backfire. We need to stop talking about potential impending disasters and start talking about shutting down the coal plants, stop eating meat, stop driving, start building mass transit.
My understanding is that giving thanks for the harvest is the basis for fall festivals the world over. One can reject the mythology of empire and still give thanks to what/whoever one feels inclined to thank. I also gather that it was the Puritans who learned of the holiday from the Indians. That's the spirit of the true holiday, not the one invented by Congressional or Presidential fiat.
You learned the cosmetic history written by the invaders tenstring. Read on and find the truth.
I can't believe this got a preview.
It should be a day of mourning. We could call it "mourning in America after the genocide."
AD
I, like you, have dodged the issue. I do shift work and I have always volunteered to work on Thanksgiving Day; thus avoiding the celebrations put on by my family (who think I'm a radical America-hater whenever I mention the European genocide.)
I agree completely with your suggestion of a ceremony of atonement but, since the Thanksgiving myth is based specifically on "look what great friends we were with the Indians" I would make the ceremony specifically about the destruction of the Indians and leave slavery and all the rest of the horrors we're guilty of off the agenda for this particular day. The Native Americans deserve an atonement from us that is for them alone.
"The Native Americans"
it is the height of hubris to refer to these people as Americans.
I prefer the term, "indigenous people of North America".
It should be a day of mourning. We could call it "mourning in America after the genocide."
AD
Nothing precludes you from using the day as a memorial instead of a celebration. Escape is not always the best path. You would be wise to communicate your ideas directly to your family members and let their children hear your concerns. Thanksgiving dinner could provide that platform.
The right uses fear with great success is this country. There is a reason for this. You being afraid of this reality will not help bring about the required changes we need to make. You need to respect the enemy and realize that actions based on fear are often fitful and ineffective.
These forces of conquest, imperialism, consumption and growth are indeed very dangerous. More so than ever, we must calmly and efficiently combat these forces. Respect this danger, do not fear it. Act accordingly.