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Obama Aides to Meet with Secular Coalition, Atheists on White House Grounds
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has burnished his Christian credentials, courted Jewish support and preached outreach toward Muslims. On Friday, his administration will host a group that fits none of the above: America's nonbelievers.
The president isn't expected to make an appearance at the meeting with the Secular Coalition for America or to unveil any new policy as a result of it.
Instead, several administration officials will sit down quietly for a morning meeting at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus with about 60 workhorses from the coalition's 10 member groups, including the American Atheists and the Council for Secular Humanism. Tina Tchen, the director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, and representatives from the Justice and Health and Human Services departments will participate.
Coalition leaders are billing their visit as an important meeting between a presidential administration and the "nontheist" community. On the agenda are three policy areas: child medical neglect, military proselytizing and faith-based initiatives.
"We're raising important issues that affect real people's lives," said Sean Faircloth, 49, a former Maine state legislator who's the coalition's executive director.
White House spokesman Shin Inouye downplayed the meeting, saying only that Tchen's office "regularly meets with a wide range of organizations and individuals on a diverse set of issues."
The coalition's board includes such controversy magnets as authors Salman Rushdie ("The Satanic Verses") and Christopher Hitchens ("God Is Not Great"), as well as Michael Newdow, the Sacramento, Calif., doctor who argued against allowing the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance before the Supreme Court, but didn't prevail. South Carolina activist Herb Silverman founded the coalition in 2002. It's had a Washington office and a lobbyist since 2005.
"Despite what we hear from Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin, we're in a stage in history where millions upon millions of Americans share a secular perspective on American public policy," Faircloth said. "We think the real 'silent majority,' if you will, is the Americans who say, 'Enough of this religious and even theocratic nature to American policy.' "
The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found in a 2008 survey before Obama's election that a majority of Americans, 52 percent to 45 percent, think that churches should stay out of politics. That sentiment had changed from three election cycles back, 1996, when 54 percent favored churches expressing political views.
Still, nearly three-fourths of Americans told Pew in December 2009 that they attend religious services each year. Americans also told Pew that month that the Republican Party seems friendlier toward religion than Democrats do, but that Obama seems friendlier toward religion than most Democrats are.
The coalition doesn't embrace all the Obama administration's stances, but members think that they have more of a kindred spirit in the president than in his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama once taught constitutional law. His late mother was spiritual but agnostic. His inaugural address is credited as the first by a U.S. president to include explicit recognition of "nonbelievers" as part of the fabric of the nation.
Coalition members plan to use Friday's meeting to advocate closing federal loopholes in the law that governs medical neglect. They say that officials in any state should be able to remove sick children who need medical treatment from homes in which parents believe in faith healing as easily as they could intervene on behalf of other children.
Liz Heywood, of Ithaca, N.Y., said she was 13 when she contracted a bone infection that her Christian Scientist parents wouldn't seek medical attention to treat. She experienced permanent damage, and three years ago, at 45, had the leg amputated above the knee.
Heywood planned to fly to Washington to participate in the coalition meeting until fresh snow left her stuck in New York. She'll participate by speaker phone.
"I fell through the cracks at every turn," Heywood said of her experience as a sick teen in a faith-healing home. "I am hoping I can make a difference with my story."
Other coalition activists have concerns about proselytizing in the military and a rise in the military's evangelical culture. They want the Department of Defense to give protected-class status to nonbelievers, as it does to members of minority religions.
On faith-based initiatives, the coalition differs from the president in opposing taxpayer funding of all faith-based groups. Obama has emphasized that faith-based groups that receive government money for charitable work shouldn't proselytize or discriminate on the basis of religion. Faircloth said the president should formalize that position through an executive order.
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25 Comments so far
Show Allwill they start the meeting with a prayer?
As Groucho said while hanging from the curtains in "A Night at the Opera":
"Boogey, boogey, boogey...."
Hasn't a SINGLE-PRAYER! (Drop the R)!! There's an equable Humanist RESULT!!!
No American atheist shall ever set foot in the God-infested White House while Mr. Obama is president, that has become crystal clear. What a bunch of cowards are living in the White House!
I am shown that the waters between the secular and the religious are deadly. Knowing both, I reject neither.
I see that every worshipper in this world is worshipping them Self By Any Other Name and that this will cease.
"Jesus is God, believe this or suffer eternal damnation." This is one of the most God-Hatred thoughts ever to appear in this world.
Jesus of Nazareth himself never claimed to be God, because he knew it wasn't true. This has never happened in the Throughout Of Being and it never will.
Had this taken place, Jesus would have instantly died and for eons he wouldn't have known that he existed.
In coming time, all will be free from religion.
It's a step in the right direction. I just wish they'd stop refering to Athiest and Secular Humanists as "nonbelievers".
As as S.H. I believe people are fundamentally good. Religionists don't.
I believe that even if there WAS a god of some sort, it would never divide humans up into Us versus Them. Religionists don't.
There are many other things S.H. believe. It's the Christians, Jews, and Muslims who are the non-believers.
As a point of interest polling recently showed there is little change in the number of people that are religion, no increase in secularism, but it did show that young people are not joining formal church organizations nearly as much.
This should frost the religious loonies big time. I can hear them carrying on already. Thanks to Pres Obama for inviting discourse with non-theists. They have their contribution to make too, and they keep us theists from going overboard about religion.
I believe that "The Lord of the Rings" is a true story, and that elves live among us
(i.e. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul)as do Orcs (i.e. Dick Cheney and John McCain)
good wizards (i.e. Paul Krugman) and evil witches (Sarah Palin)
I thunk the US dollar should read "In Gandalf We Trust" and every session of Congress should begin with a recitation of one of those incomprehensible elvish poems.
All non-believers should be cast into Mount Doom or a reasonable simulation....maybe Alabama.
It's all in the book man!! Its the literal word of GOD!
O Great Womaniser One, I am a believer, spare me from Alabama please!
More importantly, who would you pick for Gollum? John Bolton or Turd Blossom Rove?
I'd be inclined to go with Turd Blossom myself.
And spare me from racist right wing nut jobs like Ron Paul. I can't believe how often his name pops up in progressive blogs. Usually, along with Dennis Kucinich's name. When Kucinich said he would consider running on a ticket with Ron Paul I Lost all respect for his judgement. There's a reason he doesn't attract more support than he does.
Chris Hitchens is an Islamophobic neo-con and cheerleader for the Iraq and Afghan wars.
The scariest people I have ever met were right-wing atheists.
I believe in separation of church and state also and am as opposed to the Xtian fundies as anyone should be. Those people have as much issues with me as church burning black metalists, Satanists, Xitan identity, and radical Muslims and atheists do.
But show me the positive social change, the real, meaty, righteous progressive movements that were ever propelled by atheism. Instead, all I see the organized atheists (I have friends who are atheists, don't shoot) do is get themselves mired in selfish issues, basically trying to eradicate anything that offends their sensibilities.
Religion is not the scourge of the world. The military/industrial complex is.
If it were not for all the religious wars, we would not have a military/industrial complex. Even your basic greed wars use religion to stoke the fires. Take religion out of the picture and we would have a far more peaceful world. How ridiculous is it when all sides in a military conflict are praying to "God" to favor their side? If "God" exists he/she must have a massive headache.
Modern day wars are more about politics, obtaining natural resources, poverty, power and control much more than religion.
"Religion is not the scourge of the world. The military/industrial complex is."
That's highly debatable. I'll give you that the MIC is top dog in the world of scourges. But I'm taking religion as number two.
"Organized atheists"? Perhaps they are those who have outed themselves. Unorganized atheists? They would be the ones in the closet, and their numbers are much, much greater. They don't attract attention to themselves. They aren't as antagonistic as those "organized" atheists. I'm guessing that your atheist friends aren't of this group. So it seems that you'll tolerate atheism, just as long as it doesn't make a sound.
"On the agenda are three policy areas: child medical neglect, military proselytizing and faith-based initiatives."
Compared to everything else that's going on in the world, those are marginal issues.
Notice these folks aren't chastising Obama for his opposition to universal single payer, his continuation of two illegal, immoral wars (as if they all aren't illegal, immoral), his continued use of mercs, and his overall enabling of capitalism.
Amazing. No grace.
And you all conveniently forget about all the great progressives who were and are people of faith?
"Perhaps they are those who have outed themselves. Unorganized atheists? They would be the ones in the closet, and their numbers are much, much greater. They don't attract attention to themselves. They aren't as antagonistic as those 'organized' atheists. I'm guessing that your atheist friends aren't of this group. So it seems that you'll tolerate atheism, just as long as it doesn't make a sound."
I'm talking about the ones that essentially treat atheism as a religion, complete with dogma, on a crusade to stamp out faith. The Christian Right's opposite number if you will. There's never anything else substantial that goes along with it. There's no compassion, no social conscience, just a bunch of upper-middle class white folks worrying about their little subculture and chastising most of humanity for being "weak minded."
Obama needs to talk with Cornel West, Father Louis Vitale, Father Dan Berrigan, Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weisssome.
I can get along with atheists as long as they aren't beating me over the head with their lack of faith. I don't beat anyone over the head with my belief in God. God cannot be proven either way.
I was raised Catholic but am not a church-goer. You don't have to attend church or subscribe to a particular faith to be a good person. You also do not have to be without faith to be a progressive. That's my point. Don't let the underbelly of religion tarnish all religions entirely.
"I'll give you that the MIC is top dog in the world of scourges."
It causes all the other scourges. Religious extremism doesn't come from a void. It comes from poverty and disenfranchisement. What causes those things? Hmmm?
Well said.
Bring America Back !!!!
****When as Americans,are we going to allow the thinking:
that if Elton John believes Jesus Christ was Gay, it is okay; I don't have to believe it; you don't have to believe it; but if Elton believes it, its alright !! We do NOT need every E=Media known to mankind to cover the story, for progressives know our Founding Fathers really meant to say
'Freedom of Religion, or NO' !
****Let's hope the White House lends a receptive ear to these 'non-religion' groups who desire to lend their opinions to vital issues at hand in our Nation. It is okay with me if The Prez brings a couple cases of beer to the
meetings for a nice social surprize !
****For Prez Obama knows==albeit deep in his heart of hearts,
that when taking an Oath to Defend our Constitution, one then does NOT Vote to immunize, forgive and make legal felonious criminal wiretapping violations which directly
destroy Rights of Privacy for millions of citizens by the
NSA and most all major telephone companies! Moreover, He is heralded as an "Expert" on the Constitution. He knows then, that voting otherwise is a direct violation of his Oath of Office, both as a US Senator and as a President !
****Back to Elton John, who may have read a well known history book called The Bible, which documents the lifetime of The Christ on Earth--30 years as a single man who never took a wife. Yet, we are to yield to the mainstream thinking that the married state--a man and a woman--is the desired state of being in our human lives ? But, if to be "Christlike" is to be single persons, where does uniting with a woman stand in the Bible??
****The Creator invented woman from the rib of Adam to be his companion in Paradise, the Garden of Eden. But, WHOA,
was it not EVE who took the first bite of the forbidden fruit, against the direct command of her Creator?? Then, convincing Adam to enjoy the taboo fruit==they then banished the rest of us forever from Eden.
****Perhaps Elton heard recently, the Catholic Church had a royal tantrum when some faction documented a descendant of The Christ with a union with a prostitute named Mary Magdelen, giving up a child. All Catholics know Christ did NOT have sex in his 30 years on earth, so a baby is an impossibility to them as a descendant of The Christ.
They assure us Christs genitals were 30 year 'inactives'!
****Additionally, when The Christ appointed his Team of Apostles to become 'fishers of men', all Twelve were 'men'. and the question might've been could they be also fishers
of "women" ??? To this very minute==the female of our species cannot become Priests of the Catholic Church.
Did The Christ just enjoy hanging out with his "guys" ?
****Since "SHE" bit the first fruit, why should we allow her the 'priesthood', and in the time of "The Christ", eons ago,
who would want to 'marry her' anyway ???? Surely, The Christ did not !! Right ??????????????????????????????
So , Elton, take heed, thou art not that far off !!!
When I was younger, when a school would have a prayer or when a Christian image would be placed in public halls, it was often a Jewish organization or other non Christian religion that was the so-called Plaintiffs being represented by the ACLU asking that the separation concept be strictly enforced.
Here, we have a meeting with the non believers doing the work that minority religions use to do. Not sure of the reason but I guess it has to do with government faith based money. Oh, I'm so cynical.
I cringe when ever I read about some clergyman wanting to put the 10 commandments on public property, when I hear the Under God in the Pledge, when some school administrator thinks he or she will go to heaven if they put god in the classroom, when some religious group knocks on my door for any reason, and when I see Mel Gibson's face.
Separation of Church and State should be 100%, not 99%. I'd even vote for taking off In God We Trust off of money even though I believe in God. The government does not belong in a Church, in a Synagogue or in a Mosque, and religions don't belong in Government. Amen.
What irks me is that government, sans George Bush, more or less stayed out of the religious organizations but the converse has not been true. Religions want to creep in with every and any crack in the door.
Read me: http://TheHarvView.blogspot.com
I agree what there should be separation between church and state. Creationism should stay out of schools.
I guess it's OK to meet with these folks since they are no threat to his coffers unlike the PNHP Single Payer docs.
You NAILED it Chelsey. This dog and pony show makes him appear to be a progressive when he isn't.