Echoes of Iraq Invasion Arguments: White House Turns Up Heat On Iran
WASHINGTON-The screws are tightening, the warnings becoming more stark.
The autumn of 2007 in the U.S. capital is beginning to take on some unnerving parallels to the autumn of 2002, when the foundation was being laid for the invasion of Iraq.
Now it is Iran thumbing its nose at a Bush administration that is running out of patience and time.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the new Saddam Hussein and the U.S. Congress is wary of again being used in a march to war.
U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney is warning Tehran of unspecified “serious consequences” if it continues its pursuit of its nuclear-enrichment program, President George W. Bush is tossing out references to World War III and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is complaining about foot-dragging at the United Nations Security Council.
A majority of Americans tell pollsters Iran is the biggest danger to international stability, but they don’t know enough to know what to do. Throw this into the mix of a U.S. presidential campaign less than two months from crunch time and Iran and its nuclear threat are fast surpassing Iraq as the dominant foreign policy question in both the Democrat and Republican races.
The White House is adamant that it is seeking a diplomatic solution to any confrontation with Ahmadinejad but it has slapped some of its toughest sanctions ever on Iran’s military and banking sectors and is getting way ahead of its allies in its determination to slow the Iranian nuclear pursuit.
“The Iranian regime needs to know that if it stays on its present course, the international community is prepared to impose serious consequences,” Cheney said last month.
Not to be outdone, Bush told a recent press conference, “I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.”
On Friday, five powerful U.S. allies - France, Germany, Britain, Russia and China - agreed to push ahead with another round of UN sanctions against Tehran, but with a major proviso attached, further irritating Washington.
They said they would not proceed if the UN nuclear watchdog could indicate at a meeting later this month that Tehran was trying to meet international concerns and the U.S. State Department singled out China and Russia for slowing the international effort.
On Thursday, 30 U.S. senators - 29 Democrats and an independent who caucuses on that side of the aisle - wrote to Bush warning him he had no congressional authorization to strike Iran.
They were seeking to ensure Bush would not feel emboldened by a recent Senate resolution designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization.
“We are writing to express serious concerns with the provocative statements and actions stemming from your administration with respect to possible U.S. military action in Iran,” the letter said.
“These comments are counterproductive and undermine efforts to resolve tensions with Iran through diplomacy.”
But the Republican leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Friday dismissed any need for Bush to seek any permission from Congress.
“What conceivable purpose would be served, at a time when we’re trying to squeeze the Iranians economically, by telling them what we will or won’t do in the future militarily?” he asked.
“I can’t think of any conceivable advantage that would give our country. In other words, it’s a vote we really shouldn’t take, in my view.”
On the campaign trail, Democratic Senator Barack Obama of Illinois is drawing fire from frontrunner Hillary Clinton, junior senator from New York, and Republican opponents for saying he would sit down with Ahmadinejad.
Clinton alone voted to designate the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, but she also signed the letter warning Bush of unilateral action.
Obama has repeatedly criticized her for that vote, but missed the vote himself.
On the Republican side, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani are vying for the most bellicose statements regarding Iran.
Obama channelled John F. Kennedy in explaining why he would negotiate with Ahmadinejad.
“JFK said, `we should not negotiate out of fear, but we shouldn’t fear to negotiate,’” he said on NBC’s Today Show.
The increasing shrill Bush-Cheney rhetoric has consequences, Obama said.
“It has consequences not only for our strategic interests, it has consequences for our troops in Iraq, and it has consequences for our economy,” he said. “There’s a reason why oil prices are now approaching $100 a barrel.”
There are fears here that if international allies do not work with Washington to isolate Iran, the chances of unilateral Bush action increases.
That threat is being aided and abetted by the Republican cheerleaders seeking to succeed Bush.
“If we learned anything from the 20th century, I think what we learned is you don’t beg to negotiate with dictators, tyrants and supporters of terrorism,” Giuliani said during a stop in Minnesota Friday.
You only deal from a position of strength, the former New York mayor said. “That’s what I learned working for Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan didn’t beg to negotiate with the Soviets,” he said.
Romney said the military option must remain, but not be spelled out.
“I really can’t lay out exactly how that would be done, but we have a number of options from blockade to bombardment of some kind.
“That’s something we very much have to keep on the table, and we will ready ourselves to be able to take, because, frankly, I think it’s unacceptable for Iran to have nuclear weapons,” Romney said.
© 2007 The Toronto Star
Iran could open it’s borders to all IAEA inspectors, allow unrestricted photography of all it’s sensitive military areas, submit construction blueprints of all it’s nuclear facilities, and turn over all information on every government program in the nation but it wouldn’t make a lick of difference.
It doesn’t matter that they aren’t pursuing a nuclear weapon. It doesn’t matter that the IAEA says they aren’t. It doesn’t matter that the UN has been presented with evidence that their ambitions are peaceful. It doesn’t matter that Mr. Putin has visited with the Iranian president. (Something bush is too much of a coward to do)
We WANT to attack Iran. We will invent stories to make the attack possible. Reality doesn’t even figure in to it and is irrelevant.
It’s easy to see though who’s living in la-la land. Every official thats said anything about “Iran’s attempt to construct nuclear weapons” is obviously demented or uneducated.
We all know that, according to the IAEA, Iran has done virtually NOTHING WRONG - oh, excuse me, they hurt Israel’s feelings? OOOOHHHHH…not nearly as bad as the Americans have hurt the Iranians, I promise that.
Why should it be the responsibility of Iran to alleviate American paranoia? They are under no such obligation to do such. It is perfectly legal for the Iranians to make nuclear fuel for themselves, whether or not Americans are able to handle this bittersweet truth or not. Of course, USA has the notion that the world should revolve around them and that Iran, a much more noble nation than the USA, should bow to your every whim. Why should they? The USA installed a dictator in their nation for twenty-six years. Would you be on bad terms with a nation like Canada if Canada destroyed your so-called “Democracy?” Thought so… Besides Americans, if your nation is STILL unable to forgive Fidel Castro and the subsequent starving of the Cuban people in every way possible for almost 50 years, what makes you think Iran should forgive you? Because you are Americans?! Nice response and attitude.
You know what the problem is really? The inability and distrust of the USA to take people at their word. Iran has said many times that Iran was not going to build a nuclear weapon. If Iran wants nuclear weapons, they can buy it off the black market in China, Russia, or Pakistan anyhow. Iran does not have to make weapons to possess them. When one takes a step back, he will understand that if Iran truly wants a nuclear weapon to own, they will get one. As a side note, USA keeps failing to answer the question of why some nations are entitled to have nuclear energy but not others. Your paranoid cat have your tongue?
Only a debased, immoral nation as the USA would prefer war over diplomacy and compromise. Never understanding that while a war hurts the USA financially for the most part, the nations attacked take much more losses. This has been the general rule since WW2. Iran may pose different consequences whether or not the USA “wins” an invasion. Where will the petroleum flow? How would both China and Russia respond to a USA invasion of Iran, especially the fact that most of the 2 billion people that live in China and Russia alone basically realize that their people will suffer much more economically than the USA would, despite an invasion of Iran being an American idea.
I am curious, how does it feel, Americans, to be exempt from consequence? That still the reaping of what you have sown has not come to bear fruit? Lucky…you may say? A financial collapse just may happen as a consequence of invading Iraq, just that it hasn’t happened yet.
I know. I know. America is invincible and is the best country in the world to live in. Holland is better place to live in than the USA because the Government of Holland actually has the welfare and care of its people as the top priority. The Dutch are more friendly than Americans and have more freedom and rights granted to them as well. These facts are beside the point.
Obviously, the USA is unable to handle Iraq. What makes the USA believe that it can handle an aggressive unprovoked war with Iran and Russia and China helping with the defense?
Mitch McConnell - “What conceivable purpose would be served, at a time when we’re trying to squeeze the Iranians economically, by telling them what we will or won’t do in the future militarily?” he asked.
So, they should always be afraid that the US might attack without declaring war, just like the Nazis used to do.
Except the US has nukes, so they should always be afraid that the US will exterminate them, like the Nazis tried to do to so many.
Winning hearts and minds everywhere!
Perhaps the purpose would be to show the world that the US lives by the rule of law and not by the law of the jungle.
As if!
Sir Melvin Cleophus
Maybe they’re also a little ticked about us funding and giving WMD’s to Saddam to use those weapons in a proxy war against Iran. Killing tens of thousands of innocent Iranian Civilians.
Maybe they’re also a little ticked about us blowing up an Iranian civilian airliner, killing hundreds of Iranian Civilians.
But on our end, we’re upset and shocked because Iran left the labels on the bombs they appearently smuggled accross a “secure” border into Iraq, despite the fact that the government still has no evidence.
Even if they did, we’re shocked that Iran is trying to defend itself from an aggressor and a mental case who’s just invaded and is occupying two of it’s neighbors, one illegally and on false premises. Meanwhile, another neighbor of theirs, Pakistan, has descended into chaos and turmoil due to recent events.
So the justification for war is that only the American government can sponser Rogue terrorist regimes, and terrorist groups.
Seig Heil, everyone.
“If we learned anything from the 20th century, I think what we learned is you don’t beg to negotiate with dictators, tyrants and supporters of terrorism,” Giuliani said.
Was it last year or earlier this year that Ahmadinejad sent a letter asking to meet with Bush face-to-face and negotiate and was turned down?
Ahmadinejad has first hand experience of the truth of Giulani’s statement. You don’t beg to negotiate with dictators, tyrants, and supporters of terrorism (and, if I may add) torture.
May I be out of this hell-hole of a U.S. before they close the borders.
jld_overseas November 5th, 2007 1:18 pm
Also offered cooperation and to help extensively with Iraq policy, which of course the administration scoffed at and dismissed.
Everytime the Iranians have reached out a hand, the administration has belligerently slapped it away. The administration doesn’t want peace, they don’t want cooperation, and they certainly don’t want diplomacy to work- that would just be disasterous for the war coffers.
Just more evidence that Bush and Cheney need to be impeached. Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi has tea parties while Washington burns.
Lobo Gris
I agree mastershake. I have posed a question on other posts here that why is it ok for the United States to fund its own declared enemies (i.e. Baathists - provided that they are against al-Qaeda - which the Baathists have been against al-Qaeda from day one), yet Iran is not allowed to fund groups that protect their interests. At least Iran is giving aid to its allies ONLY. In Afghanistan today, the USA funds the Northern Alliance to fight against the Taliban (a former ally now a terrorist) when the former have been USA declared enemies and terrorists for many decades.
Americans need to understand that most of you are not receiving the whole story on USA foreign relations, and Americans deserve to know the truth. The truth is not pretty, but is important - especially today. At least semi-reliable information from non-USA sources from the Internet is highly recommended. Your MSM is not a good source. it is not “liberal” either. Actually, neither Democrats nor Republicans are “liberal” parties in my mind. Of course, I live in Holland so take the previous statement with a grain of salt.
Why is it not ok to talk about the Palestinians in the USA? Why have some Americans made Jimmy Carter (of all people) out to be an Anti-Semite for showing sympathy to them for what they are going through in the West Bank and at Gaza? The Palestinians have been traumatized for coming to the, as of right now, permanent realization that they have LOST THEIR LAND! How would Americans feel if they had to forfeit their land someday to nations like China or Saudi Arabia? You would fight back against such “occupiers” would you? Ok… well that is how the Palestinians feel about the Hebrew Zionists. Quit calling Hamas terrorists. They are doing EXACTLY what Americans would do under such circumstances.
Allow me to compare Hezbollah (a declared USA terrorist group) to groups like the USA ICE or their “minutemen.” Only difference is that they are more powerful than ICE or minutemen. One may call them…”compassionate conservatives” in politics. You familiar with this phrease Americans. Unlike the USA Republicans, Hezbollah practice what they preach by providing jobs and taking care of the Lebanese people! You see Americans, Hezbollah represent the defenders of Lebanon and they assure that no Israeli is allowed in Lebanon. That is the rule of law in Lebanon Israelis. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED THERE…PERIOD! Right or wrong, just or unjust that is just the rule. Do not take it too hard though Israelis. You have racist policies in your nation as well so…
I have possible theory for why Bush isn’t impeached.
The whole idea of Iranian warfare could just be the moment the Democrats are waiting for. They could be like a tiger, stalking the Bush elephent herd and waiting for the perfect moment to strike. With angry mobs, global pressure, and a lot of nukes, the Democrats could use this as a motive to impeach Bush and therefore gain even more support for elections.
Don’t be too hopeful, though! With the Guliani-Clinton contest pretty much made, this “new era” would not be much different from now. They could easily get support for militery operations in a way Bush can’t. All of oil, big buisness, miltery componies and banking would still get their wretched blood money.
What is it about “nuclear holocaust” don’t these idiots understand? There are no “winners”. Death by radioactive fallout is non-partisan and doesn’t discriminate between brown people and white people. And even if they survive, what kind of a planet is left for them? The wage slaves will be the first to go. So where does “stuff” come from then? Who will be buying all that oil (presuming there is anyone left to get it out of the ground)?
This is INSANE!
Last chance folks….
There are reports that Kucinich will exercise the right of personal privilege this week (tomorrow?) and bring impeachment of Cheney before the House of
Representatives.
MAKE FOUR CALLS TO THE CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD, AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME
Please call the Capitol switchboard at 800-862-5530 or 800-828-0498 and ask to speak to your Rep. Tell him/her to SUPPORT Kucinich’s resolution (H.R.333). At the very least, don’t let the House “table” this motion!
Then call again and tell Kucinich’s office you support what he’s doing.
Call twice more - (to the 800 number above) once to John Conyers and once to Nancy Pelosi, and ask them to let the resolution come to vote, so at least every member will be on record about impeaching Cheney.
These four calls may be the most important you’ll ever make! So, go to the phone RIGHT NOW!
And if you have the energy, follow-up with some e-mails.
I did all of the above, and I feel a little bit better….sort of.
Having failed to win the hearts, minds, and oil trade of Iraq and Iran, the deadly message the USA wish to deliver is that any country which does preferential deals with Russia and China will be obliterated, just like Vietnam and Cambodia. This is a proxy war of influence against Russia and China, with Middle East Oil the prize. The other message is if USI cannot have the oil, then no one else will either. Fear is the key. Fear these USI masters of death who only know how to destroy.
The target date for operation Obliteration of Iran, designed to take the country back beyond the stone age, surely has already been set. The planners have requisitioned the necessary bombs and delivery. The targets are being endlessly photographed by Satellite, regardless of nearness to civilian population distribution. The Daleks in the USI are shouting in rising cadence the necessary political propaganda for the death of Iran. The USI has learnt from the Iraq debacle. Any none-existence of evidence must be obliterated. Iran will be exterminated!!! The USI arguments about nuclear weapons in Iran are no more sophisticated than this.
Afterwards, maybe in ten years or so, with the remnants of people of Iran still poisoned with radioactive waste, some of it their own, some admission may come from the USI that oops, it was overdone, but no sorry, and no admission of error, and no reparations.
Perhaps Russia and China can threaten to obliterate Israel in retaliation, or prevention, to use the latest terminology, as the USI is threatening their interests. Then we can have a mutual extermination party.
The Bush-Nazis won’t be happy until they push Iran into invading Iraq and Afghanistan.
Our troops are tired, poorly supplied, and over-extended… but the Bushies don’t care, just as long as they can continue racking up their war-profits.
I’m starting to wish our military would pull out of the Middle East and attack Washington D.C.!
cheney-bush will never be impeached because they are carrying out the work of aipac.
for the same reason iran will be attacked.
just as torturelover mukasey will get the ok from the senate.
Weakness of character is the secondary when
not primary subject of the day’s major news stories, holding them together.
So where does President Bush stand on torture?
Flippety-flop, flippety, flippety, flop, flop, flop.
How about Vice-President Cheney? Loves it.
How about Michael Mukasey, the abomination for Attorney General?
Flippety-flippety.
How about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice? Nothing she says can overcome the
chronic, glass-breaking hysteria in her voice whether the subject is Iran, torture or anything else.
How about White House spokesperson Dana Perino– brittle exterior with a gooey moral core? Flippety-flop.
How about the torture counterprotesters, a certain breed of Vietnam Vets and their friends in Smithfield, North Carolina, home of torture flights?
They’re anti-anti torture. Therefore they are pro-torture.
Racism never made any sense. Neither did treating returning Vietnam Vets as an unwanted underclass.
But treating all the people just mentioned as an unwanted underclass makes perfect sense. For they have all, starting with President Bush, i.e., “Quaggenbush,” the president from the Black Lagoon, willingly and wholeheartedly debased themselves.
Nobody else did it to them.
Torture is absolute evil.
We are free to measure every grown human being by his or her attitude toward torture.
Furthermore, we should.
Rebel Farmer: I made the four calls - my rep, Kucinich, Conyers, Pelosi. I don’t know what will happen. But I hope that the group karma that I have amassed by being of this country has somehow been mitigated.
Please, all of you other posters, make the calls. Mitigate your karma and maybe, just maybe, stop this insanity.
Why don’t Bush co. just make an agreement with them….
Let US pump your Oil wells dry and we won’t bomb you?
Thats what they want is the Oil more than to inflict pain…or is it? Naw, they want both, good Christian men.
Sir Melvin of the land of Holland, It has never occurred to a person of your stature that the Citizen’s of the USA are not the Government of the USA. Myself and millions like me are following every bill, resolution, special committees to make sur our Representative and Senator’s are voting in a manner that will bring Bush/Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld to their knees. We want them tried as war criminals, this country has gone to hell in 6 short years. Today, as Rebel Farmer so graciously reminded me, is the day or a day of this week he wants to bring to the floor H RES 333, to begin impeachment proceedings against Cheney.
Do you truly believe you could actually despise this government more than the american’s whose right’s are being stripped away daily, kidnappings and torture of innocent people, murdering, not only our sons, daughter’s, father’s, mother’s but those of Iraq as well? I do not consider a murdered child from any country ‘collateral damage’, I call it murder, genocide and I have shame and I weep for all innocent’s affected my this Fascist regime. I am first a mother, from there comes the strength at this time of my life to never allow this to happen again.
Sir Melvin, do not try to distract the anti-Islamic sentiment held in your country as we speak. We are all complicite as humans living in one world and as such as people, not governments, of this world should allow one another a voice of reason to remain on common ground, to want peace and all this shit to STOP. Okay? k.
Thanks again Rebel Farmer, I had called twice today and your voice put me in speed dial mode. H RES 333, Dennis Kucinich the team to beat..
Pardon, many grammatical errors I’ve made, no sleep 38 hrs., Military emails trying to steal my 17 yr old daughter to murder her. All night, emails and so forth…
Kucinich will introduce on the floor of the House impeachment v. bush/cheney. The Capitol switchbd is 800 862 5530.
Four calls: your rep, Dennis, Conyers, Pelosi.
Must be now.
The House Appropriations Cmte. removed language requiring Bush to seek the approval of congress before attacking Iran, from Iraq funding bill.
Crunch time.
My husband of oh, too many years is Turkish, I am there frequently and am familiar with the speech patterns of many ME countries, something is odd about the ebb and flow of the posts…. maybe I should just go to sleep. Bush has made me so paranoid, few more calls to DC, then……………
Rebel Farmer, they must all have left together, no one is answering either # now, I must resort to email for Conyers and Pelosi, the stars haave not been nice at all to me for the past 48 hrs., I shall blame it on Bush, it’s a plan.
I’ll go to thomas.gov and get the direct numbers to their offices. Thanks for the Toll Free, though, I got to get one freebie, little bit of good right there.
Rebel Farmer, was there a snowball’s chance in hell that I actually just spoke TO not at a machine ala Pelosi, I kept trying anyway and got Pelosi, ASA:Future office Of Rep Cindy Sheehan, machine, Cindy would not have a machine, I left a gracious request for Ms. Speaker, called the other Toll Free and a man answered ‘Congressman Conyers, not office of, if it was him, he responded in kind with graciousness after hearing my plea and blessed me, one more good thing, all because of Rebel Farmer, thanks!
Iran is NOT “the biggest danger to international security”.
WE ARE.
What Iran is doing now is a direct response to a threat. And that threat is us. Neocons are fond of saying, “9/11 changed everything”. They are almost right. Bush’s irrational RESPONSE to the events of 9/11 are what really changed everything.
When Bush turned the former war crime of “War of Agression” into his “pre-emptive strike” policy, weaker countries got scared. When it became obvious that once he set his sights on a target country, the only intel that would be considered would be intel supporting agression, even if it was unsubstantiated, or just plain false, they became terrified. And Bush’s refusal to allow diplomacy to work in these situations sealed the deal.
That left these countries with two choices. One, swear complete loyalty to the Bush agenda, or, two, do something to deter an attack and invasion like the one they had just witnessed in Iraq.
Bush and Cheney are fond of calling people crazy, and “madmen”. Now if the most powerful military country that the world has ever known is constantly threatening you, has already named you part of an “axis of evil”, and invaded your next-door neighbor, you would be a “madman” to NOT want a deterrent.
Bush brought this situation on himself. You cannot blame a sovereign nation for wanting to defend itself, or for wanting to at least have a deterrent on hand that would cause another nation to think twice before attacking them. Especially after the insanity of the Iraq invasion.
This is not my country any more.
I used to believe in the Democrats - no more do I.
I used to think that underneath of all of our problems and shortfalls, Americans weren’t that bad.
I am not too sure now.
I had a conversation with my wife the other day about the prospect of moving to Canada - permanently.
We are seriously considering it.
This place is f*#cked!
O roe
Please let us not forget that in 2004 WE, the American people elected the Bush/Cheney team for the SECOND time . We gave them the mandate that they are using now. Let us also not forget that only last week 52% of the American people answered a Zogby poll approving an attack on Iran.
The logic I do not understand however is that we know that a nuclear Pakistan is going to hell, Israel has over 200 nuclear warheads with means of delivering them, at least to Iran and the US has over 20,000 nuclear warheads with capacity of delivering them to Mars and beyond. Then we are all griping about Iran’s right to even acquiring the knowledge of nuclear technology ( Mr. Bush’s statement threatening the WW III if they did). Then perhaps I am forgetting the domination of Israel of the US foreign policy.
Let’s see if Dennis K.’s proposal to impeach Cheney will impose any restraint on Bush as well to stop calling for military action against Iran. D.K. probably won’t even make the main news and Bush is still filling the air with threats of more war so gasonline prices will go skyhigh to convince the Americans that we need to shut up Iran. Bush can’t and won’t do anything else but make the military complex richer by the minute. WArning should be made that another catastrophe is probably imminent on the homeland.
“Clinton alone voted to designate the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, but she also signed the letter warning Bush of unilateral action.”
Practiced at signing statements already. Clinton is Bush in women’s clothes.
I Wish I Was Happy
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> All wars are about control and power and greed by elite groups that are supported by an elite rich. They murder for higher profits and the good life that we live, depends on it. The more innocent people of developing countries suffer, the more we maintain the status quo. Our ability to stop this pattern is slim to none. They hide behind altruism to fool the blinking herd that are busy shopping and watching
football. They allow us to complain and give us just enough freedom to think we can effect change but it is a lie.
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They lie all the time!
One more time. Stop bitching and DO SOMETHING!
There are reports that Kucinich will exercise the right of personal privilege this week (tomorrow?) and bring impeachment of Cheney before the House of
Representatives.
MAKE FOUR CALLS TO THE CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD, AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME
Please call the Capitol switchboard at 800-862-5530 or 800-828-0498 and ask to speak to your Rep. Tell him/her to SUPPORT Kucinich’s resolution (H.R.333). At the very least, don’t let the House “table” this motion!
Then call again and tell Kucinich’s office you support what he’s doing.
Call twice more - (to the 800 number above) once to John Conyers and once to Nancy Pelosi, and ask them to let the resolution come to vote, so at least every member will be on record about impeaching Cheney.
These four calls may be the most important you’ll ever make! So, go to the phone RIGHT NOW!
And if you have the energy, follow-up with some e-mails.
And keep doing it OVER, AND OVER AGAIN tomorrow!
Do it NOW!
Rebel Farmer November 5th, 2007 3:44 pm
“What is it about “nuclear holocaust” don’t these idiots understand? There are no “winners”. Death by radioactive fallout is non-partisan and doesn’t discriminate between brown people and white people. And even if they survive, what kind of a planet is left for them?”
Rebel farmer, I am a nuclear veteran (Operation Redwing, Bikini Atoll, 1956) and I know first hand the horror of nuclear weaponry, the fear of not recovering from radiation poisoning.
Rebel Farmer November 5th, 2007 3:44 pm
“What is it about “nuclear holocaust” don’t these idiots understand? There are no “winners”. Death by radioactive fallout is non-partisan and doesn’t discriminate between brown people and white people. And even if they survive, what kind of a planet is left for them?”
Rebel farmer, I am a nuclear veteran (Operation Redwing, Bikini Atoll, 1956) and I know first hand the horror of nuclear weaponry, the fear of not recovering from radiation poisoning.
To these clowns, a nuclear weapon is just a bigger boomstick. Here is a link to read, to pass on.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=OSB20060314&articleId=2093
The scenarios are growing every day. Apparently even one of the Naval Journals discussed the possibility of the nuclear carrier Enterprise and her 5.000 crewmen being destroyed as a super Gulf of Tonkin incident, to turn us into raging maniacs to eradicate Iran. Enterprise is due to be taken out of commission and scrapped after this current tour, so to Cheney/Bush, it would be no great loss, if it would bring on the war they want so bad. And we all know the care they have for our troops.
I wish I could go through the looking glass and stay with Alice. Things made so much more sense, there.
Hey Now: Door’s open, coffee’s on. We rise at sunup… garden needs prepping for spring.
Aren’t our Warmongers cute? Oh, how five-years-ago, how boring they are now. I know they wouldn’t do anything rash. I need to find a nice teevee program, and watch some SUV ads.
“There’s a reason why oil prices are now approaching $100 a barrel.” … It’s called Peak Oil.
Here here is the study and executive summary mentioned in the article below:
http://www.energywatchgroup.org/Erdoel-Report.32+M5d637b1e38d.0.html
Published on Monday, October 22, 2007 by The Guardian/UK
Steep Decline In Oil Production Brings Risk of War and Unrest, Says New Study
· Output peaked in 2006 and will fall 7% a year
· Decline in gas, coal and uranium also predicted
by Ashley Seager
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/22/4737/
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen
‘Sinbaad’–you sailor you: the 2004 election was STOLEN:
http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm