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My Support for Ralph Nader, Ten Years Later: Lessons Learned

It should be emphasized at the outset that Nader did not cause George W. Bush to be elected president. Bush was not elected president. The election was stolen. In addition to the Republican-appointed Supreme Court majority that blocked the recount that would have provided Gore with a victory in Florida thereby giving him a majority of the electoral college, many hundreds of predominantly African-American voters - the vast majority of whom would have voted for Gore - were denied the right to vote because their names were similar to convicted felons who had been disenfranchised because of their crimes. It is also noteworthy that a 1996 crime bill pushed by then-Vice-President Gore dramatically increased the number of crimes considered felonies and thereby the number of convicted felons, the majority of whom in Florida are poor minorities who would have much more likely supported Gore over Bush had they (and the non-felons with similar names) been allowed to vote, thereby providing the Democratic nominee with a comfortable margin.
It is also important to emphasize that, even if Bush had fairly won Florida's electoral votes, Gore received a solid majority of the popular vote nationally, outpolling Bush by more than a half million votes. Nader and the Green Party oppose the Electoral College and support presidential elections based upon a popular nationwide vote. Gore and the Democrats, by contrast, supported the archaic and undemocratic Electoral College system. It is ironic, then, that the Democrats continue to blame Nader and the Greens for Bush's election that came as a result of an unfair electoral system that they supported and Greens opposed.
At the same time, there is little question that had Nader's name not been on the ballot in Florida, enough Green voters would have probably cast their ballots Democratic instead, raising Gore's margin over Bush high enough so that the Republicans could have not gotten away with the fraud that tilted the balance.
How Gore's Politics Alienated the Democratic Base
This then raises the question as to why so many people like me, who previously and subsequently voted Democratic in presidential elections, chose to vote for the Green Party in 2000.
Many people have forgotten that before Al Gore became a progressive hero as the most visible leader of the movement to curb climate change - perhaps the biggest single issue of our day and for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize-he was widely-recognized as being on the conservative wing of the Democratic Party. As one of the three finalists in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988, Gore positioned himself clearly on the right, with Jesse Jackson on the left and Massachusetts governor Michael Dukakis - the eventual nominee - in the center.
Gore was one of the most ardent Democratic supporters of Reagan's right-wing foreign policy agenda, supporting such dangerous and destabilizing Pentagon boondoggles as the B-1 and B-2 bombers and the Trident II, cruise and Pershing missiles, all of which significantly raised the threat of nuclear war. He also supported U.S. funding and training of the Contra terrorists attacking Nicaragua and the murderous junta in El Salvador. In 1991, he was among the minority of Senate Democrats who supported the Gulf War. He was an outspoken supporter of a series of right-wing Israeli governments, opposing the Palestinians' right to statehood alongside Israel or even allowing Palestinians into the peace process.
As the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, his hawkish world view did not seem to wane. Even with the end of the Cold War, he supported increasing the already-bloated U.S. military budget. He was apparently ready to tear up the SALT I treaty - negotiated by Nixon and Kissinger and long the foundation of nuclear arms control - in order to pursue a dubious missile defense strategy. He opposed human rights provisions for trade agreements and even for arms transfers. He opposed the treaty banning land mines. He supported laws that threatened jail and fines for Americans simply for travelling to Cuba. He defended the ongoing bombing of Iraq and the starving of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children through draconian sanctions. He strongly supported efforts by the Word Trade Organization and International Monetary Fund to weaken environmental laws, consumer protection and labor rights in the name of "free trade," and was the administration's most visible advocate of North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA.)
His positions weren't much better on domestic issues. He opposed raising the minimum wage to match the cost of living. He not only supported the death penalty, but made it far more difficult falsely convicted death row inmates to appeal their cases in federal courts. He supported the repeal of federal guarantees of assistance to poor children. He supported Federal Reserve policies of keeping wages low to prop up stock prices and taxing earnings from the stock market at lower rates then income from actual work. He supported the repeal of Depression-era banking regulations designed to protect small depositors and restrictions on derivatives that helped lead to the current financial crisis for which scores of Democrats are now being punished at the polls. He supported the Defense of Marriage Act in an effort to prevent gay and lesbian couples from having equal rights. (Earlier in his career, he referred to homosexuality as "abnormal sexual behavior" and voted against a bill that would protect patients with HIV from discrimination.) Even on environmental issues, his record was mixed, supporting efforts to undermine the endangered species act, pushing for nuclear power, and supporting an increase in clear-cut logging of old growth forests.
While most of us who supported Nader did not expect to agree with the Democratic nominee for president on every issue in order to vote for him, the fact that Gore took positions which only a few years earlier would have been considered to be in the mainstream of the Republican Party was simply too much to bear.
When he received the Democratic presidential nomination in July of 2000, there was hope that he would try to reassure the party's disillusioned base by choosing a more liberal vice-presidential running mate. Instead, he chose Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman, who had the most conservative voting record of any Democrat in the Senate. Indeed, Lieberman was to the right of the Republican incumbent he defeated when first elected in 1988, quit the Democratic Party in 2006, and endorsed Republican senator John McCain for president in 2008. There was no reason to think that Gore's appointments for cabinet posts and other key positions in his administration would be any better.
It cannot be stressed enough that had Gore instead embraced an even slightly more progressive agenda, he would not have lost so many Democratic voters to Nader. Rather than modify his positions more in line with the party's more liberal base, however, Gore initially worked to keep Nader off the ballot in a number of states to prevent voters from even having the choice. And, while Gore was willing to debate Bush, the opponent on his right, he refused to debate his opponent on his left, apparently fearing how voters might react if they were able to compare his positions with those of the well-respected consumer advocate. In the final week of the campaign, recognizing that he was losing liberal voters to his Green Party challenger, Gore did shift the tone of his campaign somewhat to the left, spouting more populist themes. In those final days, polls showed he gained three percentage points, finally pulling slightly ahead of Bush, while Nader dropped from 6% to 3%.
But it was too little too late. So many of us were so disgusted with eight years of center-right governance of the Clinton Administration and the prospects of more under Al Gore, we just could not stomach voting Democratic, even though it was apparent that the election was very close. After eight years of bitter disappointment with Clinton and Gore in power in Washington, it felt cynical and self-defeating to once again vote for a lesser evil, which seemingly would only contribute to the downward spiral which was taking the Democratic Party further and further away from its progressive heyday with the nomination of George McGovern in 1972. In many ways, then, Nader was a symptom, not a cause, of the large-scale alienation with Gore.
At the same time, few of us realized just how far to the right this country would go under George W. Bush. Many of us expected a more moderately conservative administration similar to that of his father. Indeed, Bush's anticipated pick for Secretary of State, Colin Powell, was in many ways more moderate that the hawkish Madeleine Albright, who served under Clinton, or any of Gore's likely picks to lead the State Department. While the relatively weak Texas governorship did not offer many clues, there was little indication that the younger Bush would embrace the very neo-conservative agenda his father had rejected. Indeed, during the first eight months of the administration, the more moderate elements in the new Bush administration appeared to be winning out against the far right. That all changed on September 11.
Strategic Miscalculation
Back in 2000, it appeared to many of us that the only way to stop the ongoing rightward drift of the Democratic Party was to support a credible challenge from the left. History offered a number of examples, such as the way the strong showing of the Socialist Party in the 1932 election prompted the newly-elected President Franklin Roosevelt, who originally ran as a fiscal conservative, to instead adopt the New Deal. There was some evidence at that time that the Green Party could have a similar effect.
During the 1990s, the Greens were a major player in New Mexico politics. By polling 10-15% in the 1996 election against Gore/Clinton-type Democrats, Green candidates sapped enough votes away from Democratic nominees to allow Republicans to win two House seats and the governorship. In response, the New Mexico Democratic Party moved well to the left: Fred Harris, the populist former Oklahoma Senator, became state party chair and focused on wooing the party's liberal base. (Harris' wife LaDonna, a prominent American Indian attorney, was the vice-presidential nominee of the progressive Citizens Party in 1980.) In 1998, the Democrats nominated solid progressives in the two house districts they had lost during the previous election cycle, causing the Greens' share of the vote to shrink to well under 5%, resulting in the Democrats defeating the Republicans with far better candidates than they had nominated two years earlier.
Though developing a credible third party challenge on a national level is a greater challenge, many of us held on to the hope in 2000 that Nader would receive at least 5% of the vote nationally, thereby crossing the threshold that would provide the Green Party federal matching funds for the next election. In becoming a viable third party on a national level, there would be a solid base from which to raise issues being ignored by the two major parties: challenging the domination of our economy and politics by big business and corporate-led globalization, redirecting our bloated military spending to human needs, supporting single-payer health care, enacting meaningful campaign finance reform, making environmental protection a priority, ending capital punishment, stopping arms transfers to repressive regimes, opposing the Israeli occupation, etc. Fear that the Greens might get this 5% may have been what motivated the Democrats' last-minute anti-Nader campaign even more than the fear that Nader votes might actually throw the election to Bush.
Unfortunately, following the debacle of the national election of 2000, rather than learn their lesson and move to the left, the Democrats moved still further to the right, with the majority of Democratic senators voting with their Republican counterparts in October 2002 to authorize the fraudulently elected president with the unprecedented authority to invade an oil-rich country on the far side of the world that was no threat to the United states. On the House side, most Democrats voted against authorizing the war, but the most important Democratic leaders sided with Bush as well. Though the party not controlling the White House normally picks up seats in mid-term Congressional elections, as a result of this betrayal of the vast majority of Democratic voters who opposed the invasion of Iraq, millions stayed home, resulting in the Republicans regaining control of the Senate and increasing their majority in the House.
Then, in 2004, as their candidate for president, the Democratic Party ended up nominating Massachusetts senator John Kerry, who - along with his running mate North Carolina senator John Edwards - were among the minority of Congressional Democrats who supported the invasion of Iraq, an abomination which even Gore strenuously opposed. Not surprisingly, even with a far weaker showing by Nader or the Green Party, the Democrats lost again.
The Bottom Line
The reality is that, if one looks at voting as strategic choice, it almost always makes sense to vote Democratic.
There will always be people who can't vote for certain Democrats on principle. I could never, for example, cast my ballot for someone who voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq, because such people clearly have no respect for the most fundamental principles of the post-WWII international legal system or the U.S. Constitution and demonstrated a willingness to lie about non-existent "weapons of mass destruction" and sacrifice the lives of over 4500 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for the sake of oil and empire. Despite what happened in 2000, then, I could not vote for John Kerry in 2004. Nor can I ever vote for Dianne Feinstein, my Democratic senator. Some people have higher thresholds, some lower.
One can also make the case that voting is a sacred right that should not be exercised for strategic reasons, but on moral principles alone. The suffragettes and civil rights advocates who risked their lives for the right to vote were not doing so simply to be able to cast their ballot for a lesser evil. There is a related argument that it is morally and psychologically damaging to compromise one's principles by voting for someone whose policies you don't agree with against someone whose policies you do believe in; that it is important to vote your hopes rather than your fears.
However, the idea that one can "teach the Democrats a lesson" by voting for a progressive third party or not voting at all and thereby allowing Republicans to win just doesn't seem to work.
Also important is that fact that, though the differences between Democrats and Republicans may be relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, the power of U.S. government is so great that even small differences can make huge differences in the lives of many millions of people. Just ask the people of Iraq and other countries who have suffered so much as a result of those of us who thought we could "teach the Democrats a lesson" ten years ago. Those of us here in the United States who are relatively privileged and secure need to be sensitive about how our decisions effect those less privileged and more vulnerable, both those in this country and the billions of others around the world.
The reality is that, despite Gore's failings and the fact that it seemed to make a lot of sense at the time, the world would have been a much better place had so many people like myself not supported Nader in his 2000 campaign. As journalist Robert Parry observed, a Gore presidency "would have taken the country in a far different direction. Most significantly, he might have made significant progress in getting the United States to face up to the crisis of global warming, an existential threat to mankind that Bush studiously ignored. It may be a bitter irony that the one major political accomplishment of America's Green Party will be that it helped condemn the world to environmental disaster."
So, as reluctant as I am to say it: If you can stomach it, please vote Democratic this Tuesday.
Then, even more importantly, fight like hell to make sure they stop selling out to the militarists and the corporations. With only a few conscientious exceptions, Democratic officials have rarely led when it comes to progressive positions; they have generally had to be dragged kicking and screaming by their constituents. We were able to force many Democratic elected officials to move to the left on civil rights, Vietnam, Central America, nuclear power, women's rights, South Africa, East Timor, globalization, Iraq, gay rights, and other issues.
And here is the difference: Democrats, if pressed sufficiently, can change.
Republicans, by contrast, are hopeless.




281 Comments so far
Show AllWhat rubbish. Stephen Zunes, yet another lesser-evilist continuing to support the Corporatist Duopoly that has repeatedly driven this country further and further to the right, and further and further into the ground.
As was stated on another thread by someone: Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Stop voting for evil.
And: "The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again, but expecting different results each time."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Right, this Cat is just another Dem apologist who does not follow the corporate rip off thanks to Obama and his brethren. It makes absolutely no difference what brand is running things, the results are always the same. Ive been voting Green for thirty years and will continue to vote Green. Obama sold his soul to interminable war, A For Profit Health Care Bill void of Public Option, rendition via proxy states, torture, an Empire of Bases, the Generals, mountain top removal permits handed out to the Big Coal like candy, carte blance oil drilling, sweeping the Gulf clean up under the rug and downplaying its significance, assassination of US citizens without habeus corpus (not even Bush was so bold), FISA, NAFTA, GATT sellouts...
A most amusing column. This is my favorite line:
"So, as reluctant as I am to say it: If you can stomach it, please vote Democratic this Tuesday." - what a ringing endorsement!
I'm voting for Howie Hawkins, green party candidate for Governor of NY - being a green activist has been one of the most spiritually uplifting activities of my life.
I especially love all of Zunes' hypotheticals - I wonder where he purchased his crystal ball which told him of the alternate-universe Gore presidency in which women burn their bras and CO2 goes back to pre-Cambrian levels and nukes are abolished and the Israelis and Arabs hug each other first thing every day.
In any event, the shelflife on Zunes' lame argument expired a long time ago. Nothing is gonna save this republic, and it's probably better that republicans are in charge when the shit finally hits the fan so that the history books will record them as having lost the US.
I applaud your vote choice!
As I have tried to convince countless Greens since 1996(!), the attempt at allying with Nader (and later recruiting McKinney) in an attempt to win that sweet, sweet Federal matching money is and was a horrible mistake.
Ya can't skip past all of that pesky organizing of fifty State parties (on STATE and LOCAL issues dangit!) and expect the result to be anything other than what it has been.
Godd on you and the NY Greens for going for Governor. I hope you have folks running for State Legislature as well.
I only wish the the WA Greens had as much sense.
ONE candidate in the (top-two, general's really a run-off) primary for the hotly contested Patty Murry v. Dino Rossi Senate race is all they managed this year.
If they had had a hope of making it to the General (i.e. if WA had a primary-general system like most States do) they just would have been back in that classic Nader "spoiler" role.
Fools! What sad, well-intentioned fools!
-matti.
You got further into this article than I did. I guess you have a stronger stomach than I do. Let Zunes struggle with his own conscience, mine would trouble me if I swallowed the kool aid he proffers. Shame on him, and I would vote Nader again should he run in 2012.
Arithmetic is arithmetic. If even if a fraction of the votes in 2000 that went to Nader had gone to Gore we would not have had:
1. Two wars, with over 100,000 dead civilians
2. A housing bubble and crash and wipe out of home equity and 401ks
3. A massive run-up in the deficit
4. Probably 9/11 would not have happened, because Gore wouldn't have stopped tracking Al Qaeda, and thus no patriot act/Guantanamo/Abu Garib/Blackwater, etc.
Why do you guys think the right funds Green candidates in close elections?
I never said Gore was so great, he's a corporate shill, but come on. Explain your rationale to the 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians. Meanwhile the plutocracy is laughing at you, just like they laugh at the teapartiers - useful idiots all.
As far as the Democrats moving to the left, on the national stage, the only way that's possible is if enough people nominate left candidates in the primaries. This will require that a lot of people become much more knowledgeable and politically savvy, which unfortunately is not likely, because the plutocracy owns the media universe from which almost everybody get's almost all of their information about the world outside their personal experience, employs an army of PR and advertising consultants to manipulate the public, and buys off the politicians, almost all of whom are in politics to make money.
Wow. So many leaps of faith and logic in your post I don't know where to begin.
1) How do you know that we wouldn't have had 2 wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) with Gore, or any other Dem? The Dems have voted in lockstep with their Republican comrades, over and over again through the years, to fully fund those same two wars.
2) the housing bubble was building since Clinton's time, and in fact it was under GORE and Clinton's watch that Glass-Steagal was repealed, among other regulations, which contributed to Wall Street's ability to play fast and loose.
3)Claiming Gore would not have run a deficit is pure speculation. He may not have, but then he may have after 9/11 also. Wars are expensive.
4) Not even going to address this one. it is more speculation, and the word "probably" in your post says it all.
5) Provide, please, a source that shows the Republicans "fund Green Candiates in close elections." And I'm not talking about the occasional thing. Your statement describes a trend, not an aberation. Source that trend, please.
6) You use the words "left candidates" and "moving Democrats to the left" in the same sentence, as if the former is a naturally-occuring creature in the Democratic party. I challenge you to name more than FIVE progressive Democrats currently serving in the House or Senate. And when I say "progressive," I do not mean Harry Reid.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Fact is the U.S. is going down. Should Gore been elected president it just would have taken longer ...
What we have is the culmination of Reaganomics. We have hollowed out America from industry to infrastructure to education over these last 30 years and our fate is now sealed under a mountain of debt ...
What we face is climate change, peak oil, peak water and a corporate governance that at best chips away at these intractable disasters in the best of times.
What we need is to establish a viable political party of the left for the certainty of a social and economic crash. The left will need an organization to rally around ...
That organization is the Green Party ...
Maybe arithmetic is arithmetic - but what has that to do with the gibberish about if Gore had been elected there would not be two wars, the housing bubble, the deficit, and no 9/11?
Under the Democrats the two wars are now five (with the addition of Somalia, Yemen and Pakistan). The housing bubble is nothing in comparison with the bankster bailout. If the housing market collapsed and the banks were allowed to suffer the bankrupcy they earned and deserve, we'd be in much better shape now. The D's and the R's poured trillions of our tax dollars into the pockets of Wall Street crooks who are continuing the same behavior to this day. The deficit is not a big problem---well, it is a problem, but the solution is simple and easy. Stop the illegal wars (cut expenses) and tax the wealthy (increase our income).
Talking about 'no 9/11' in terms of doing a better job of tracking of Al Qaeda has no meaning at all. Al Queda did not plan or execute the controlled demolition of those three buildings. We need to find out who really did it. There is more evidence that it was done with the cooperation of the Pentagon.
The right does not fund the Greens in close elections. The Democrats funded the Greens on the condition that they did not endorse Nader. Nader was seen as a threat to the Democrats who wanted their fair turn in office. The D's and the R's just take turns working for the plutocracy.
Nader was, and he still is, a threat to corporate control. If the people can face the fact that the two corporate parties are closer than Siamese twins and both working for the same boss; we might have a chance of getting some real democracy in our land. That would mean the end of both corporate parties. And good riddance!
You seem unaware of
1) Gore's hawkish bent; it is not a given at all that the wars would not have moved forward. Heavens, look at the largest military budget in US history under Obama, the increased drone attacks, the Yemen incursions, and the build-ups in Afghanistan and of mercenaries. Note the slick play of words as 50,000 troops geared for combat and already engaging in remain in Iraq...ah, but the combat MISSION has ended.
2) The Democratic leadership in repealing Glass-Steagl, in bailing out the Wall Street folks....nor have you noticed that Obama has appointed and surrounded himself with the architects and fan club of the policies that led to the economic crisis.
3) The massive amount of money going to war and how that relates to deficit. We are talking about trillions! Yes, much was spent under the prior Administrtion....with Democratic support, but the massive outlays now are staggering during a time in which Dems hold both the White House and Congress.
How much more in your face does Democratic leadership/complicity in horrendous policies and outcomes have to be? Regarding your claim about Gore preventing 911, your faith and your ability to tell alternate futures is astonishing.
If this is true, why is it that Noam Chomsky says that Obama - a Democrat, right? - is taking the infringement of our civil liberties even further than Bush?
You like Bush? Vote Democrat.
You don't see? maybe because you are very, very young - the Democrats are now far to the right of where they were 20 years ago.
hmmmm, why is that? It's because you vote for them! They think you love fascism!
You have a candidate that can win that isn't a lesser of two evils? Didn't think so.
All you're saying is - you're hot air and plan on throwing your vote down the toilet on a candidate that doesn't stand a chance.
You minimize the power of the vote, the responsibility in casting it and ones duty to use that vote to represent that voter's opinion of what is best. Shame on you.
YOU ARE WRONG.
The Democrats CANNOT be pushed sufficiently. The more they are pushed, the more they move to the right.
The only way to really get action is to work hard to sabotage the Democrats. Get them to lose and lose big. If they do that, then they will see that the hard progressive left is NOT a sure thing and that if they don't move left, they will always be a divided party and always out of power.
Nothing says I love you to a political party more than money and votes. If you want them to change, take away both.
It won't be an easy four years, but we are at a time where sacrifices are necessary. If we don't pull all support for the status quo, then we are voting FOR the status quo.
Agree. Since when can the Democrats be pushed to the left? Democrat apologists want us to erase our memory of the Democrat's record and complicity every two years and expect us to believe "this time" they will change. Hogwash. They are not even making promises this election cycle. All they do is demonize the Right and ridicule the voting base.
"They are not even making promises this election cycle. All they do is demonize the Right and ridicule the voting base." -- Progressive 101
Exactly!
Look at 1936. Huey Long's left challenge within the Democratic Party pushed FDR to the left and gave the country Social Security and the right to organize unions. (It probably also led to Long's assassination by the traditional "crazy,lone gunman".)
The Democrats are like Bulwinkle pulling a rabbit out of a hat... "This time for sure!"
Only way to change them is let them know we are NOT to be taken for granted.
This may be the most appalling vote herding piece yet. Guess they're saving the doozies for last.
Next week can't come fast enough.
My sentiments exactly, drone!
I'm just now scrolling through the comments-- I'm sure that Zunes' pathetic, short-circuited analysis will thrill and inspire the diminishing numbers of Dead Centrists and proud self-styled pragmatists who comment here.
Even though Zunes is not an icon like Chomsky or the late, great Howard Zinn, this is the kind of lame apologia that lesser-evilists love to put into their quiver and fire off as a rhetorical appeal to authority. "Even ZUNES recognizes that small differences have a major impact on the poor and dispossessed..."
Well, as you suggest, it's no surprise that the lesser-evil political cheerleaders from Hell are summoned forth on election eve to try and cast one final spell on the weak-witted.
What's causing me to froth is how clearly some of these cats are putting out the basics of my own case against the electoral system, but absolutely refuse to entertain the implications of that very case!
Here's the argument in English: Yes, the system's broken, we've gotten almost nothing, and we'll probably continue to get nothing, but maybe we cvan eek out the tiniest bit of change from one party over another, even if there is really no concrete example of that happening in the last generation or two.
So for that remote sliver of a chance, please vote Democrat.
Good lord! Honestly, the alternatives suck major wang, I know, but doesn't this classify as denial on a scale easily on par with anything coming out of the right?
One after the other. I swear,I wish I got paid good money to shove my head up my ass. (I have the privilege of doing it for free...:))
That made me chuckle. Thanks, I needed that.
You're right, the Democraps have to be taught a lesson and the only way to do it is for them to loose big. As for Gore, I don't think he wanted to be President. His choosing Lieberman as his Vice President was useless and at the time I was befuddled. Concentrating on Florida as the key state was a fools errand and Bush declared in September 2000 that their was no way he could lose Florida, he knew the fix was in. His brother as Governor and the person counting the votes his campaign manager. This is not rocket science. All Gore had to do was to carry New Hampshire to win which he neglected and he didn't even campaign in his home state of Tennessee which he narrowly lost even though he pretty much told, with body language,he didn't need their stinkin' votes. With even a little effort he could have carried either New Hampshire or Tennessee. Then there is the anemic effort to contest the election results. Warren Christopher against Jim Baker, gimme a break. Florida was a bloodless coup d'etat by the military, counting the absentee military ballots cast late, and then the SCOTUS Judicial coup by interfering in with states rights, stopping the ballot counting. A Judicial coup by 5 SCOTUS judges which will go down in the annals of history as the easiest coup in the history of mankind because of the cowardice of the American public. All Gore had to do was to contact Nader who made an overture to meet and Gore didn't even respond. With candidates like Gore and Horse Face Kerry, the Democraps have to be taught a lesson along with the rest of the country for being so gullible and ignorant, unable to even know and/or defend what is in their best interest. A coup in the United States only requires a few key states because of the electoral college which may be why it exists.
"the Democraps have to be taught a lesson"
You know, I wish this were the case but in all honesty, I think it's We the People who will be taught the lesson, as if we haven't already learned. There are two parties - a duopoly, if you will. When we stray, the duopoly will punish us for our wish for independence. The Rs will make life miserable, it's their job. The Ds will complain and pontificate but in the end, they will enable ... again, it's their job. They want us punished as much as the Rs do, probably more.
The duopoly is a farce that's gone on for too long. It's being controlled by the corporate empire.
Please, after this election, don't let them corral you again. Join a progressive party, work for fair elections, get into the streets! We have a tough job ahead.
About the Democratic Party:
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!
Push the Democrats into becoming what,
being more liberal or becoming real socialists?
I sincerely doubt that anything remotely like socialism would be possible from the dems.
Their base, ie big business, wouldn't stand for it.
What you might get with a big push on the dems are a few social programs and a slow down of privatisation. A ton of emotive promises to win over the masses and a ton of excuses why the masses have to endure suffering when the promisesa aren't being fulfilled. But don't expect any substantive changes to the status quo.
Absolute and utter nonsense. Chances are that had Gore won, the resulting carnage would have occurred anyway. Zune's argument supports this contention.
Not so, if Nader had won.
These pleas to vote for the supposed less creepy creeps makes no sense what so ever. According to Zunes logic, you should vote for someone that doesn't hold similar views to yourself and won't represent your positions, because maybe, given enough time, just maybe, the democratic party will change its stripes and care about you.
It's debatable whether voting matters, but if you chose to cast a ballot, then vote for someone that will represent you. That, my friends, is what voting is all about.
In my book, the one that didn't forget fake left go right, lies by omission or get redacted, voting for the democrats is off the table.
Good point - we need a multi-party system that represents something approaching real choices. It does sound rather 'apologetic' of Zunes to give in to the 'lesser of two evils' approach after he states much of the real problem with our election system. Nader was and is, as always, on the right track, and has persisted, as has Kucinich (though bound somewhat by being a Democrat). You could just as easily state that if more people had just voted for Nader we would be that much further along toward establishing the Green party. "Lesser of two evils" voting only delays the evitable solution.
No, it isn't nonsense, it's a perfectly respectable point of view.
I won't vote Democratic, since I'm one of those who "can't stomach it." Zunes is correct in accepting that there are many such people (including, it seems, most of the people responding here). But even so, I hope that more people will vote Democratic than Republican, and probably many here would agree with that.
If anything is nonsense, it is the preposterous idea that "the resulting carnage would have occurred anyway." In all probability there would have been no 9/11 event at all--the attack and its success rested on countless circumstances that would not have existed. And even if there was an attack, and even if Gore was just as evil in his response, he could never have been as stupefyingly and murderously incompetent.
And, contrary to what you say, there is nothing whatever illogical in voting for people who do not share your views--even if you are fully aware that they will never "change their stripes." Voting itself is not a logical action (as you acknowledge), and there are no clearcut rules for deciding whether or how to do it. All of us can imagine cases where we would readily vote for people we despise... (Bush vs. Hitler, for example.)
Zunes, at least, seems to feel some sense of moral responsiblity for the (imputed) consequences of his vote. We would all be better off if we took more responsiblity for our actions (and inactions). Zunes does not deserve the skewering he is getting here.
On the other hand, it's encouraging to see the anger and the disgust reflected in the comments here. It's a start.
So, let me get this straight, you are encouraged to see the anger and disgust, but would vote for someone you despised? Not me. You think in circles.
Bush, or more accurately, the cheney administration wasn't incompetent. They achieved their goals with precision; rule of law disposed, government hijacked, theft like the world has never known, and getting people to vote for candidates that don't represent their views and best interests.
Has the carnage stopped with Obama?
Bush vs Hitler? Simple, write in Nader.
Zunes make a leap of logical fallacy and doesn't even present his case very well. What a confused man.
So he points out quite clearly what a fascist and war-monger is Al Gore and that this was the Dem's nominee for grand poobah and points out the rightward drift of the party as symbolized by Gore and Clinton and Co. and then comes to the conclusion that we should all support the "drifting rightward fascists" rather than the "hurtling forward" fascists?
If he were to have written this paper for a college Poli-Sci class he would receive low marks as his conclusion is not supported by his opening remarks, not even close. In fact the evidence is voluminous that the Dems are not effected in the least by pressure from the people.
Better to place this action in an institutional context. The forces placed on the elected person by the state machinery and pressures from big business dictate the outcome. Your vote is meaningless. You can argue all you want that "We need to keep up the pressure to demand Politician______ needs to listen to ordinary citizens, not to business" and you will rot on the vine as your words disappear into the indifferent air.
There is a difference between the state and government. The state is the permanent collection of institutions that have entrenched power structures and interests. The government is made up of various politicians. It is the institutions that have power in the state due to their permanence, not the representatives who come and go. We cannot expect different politicians to act in different ways to the same pressures. However, this is all ignored by the voting political consumer who wishes Politician______ was more a socialist, green, populist etc. and could ignore the demands of the dominant class in society while in charge of one part of its protector and creature, the state.
No matter who is nominated & elected in the current system, the policy will be endless war & military spending, further upward transfers of wealth, with the corporate elite controlling news coverage & essentially writing all legislation.
But this policy can be cloaked under 2 different costumes. If a Democrat is elected, the foregoing will take place with more smiles, and more pseudo-liberal rationales. The militarism, e.g., will be presented in milder tones, emphasizing themes like "stabilization" rather than "killing our enemies."
MCOYOTE: I especially appreciate the insights you raise in your opening two paragraphs. I had the same response. I'd call it "Cognitive Dissonance 301."
Up until the article's conclusion, Zunes was doing a good job of exposing the evident malice of Gore (and other Democratic contenders). I thought Zunes was moving towards a confessional style "Mea culpa," when he stopped midway, turned around, and having made clear the various and sundry trespasses of the supposed "Lesser Evils, Inc." incomprehensively asked us to vote with him for them... in spite of all the awful items exposed via his thesis! Welcome to THE asylum, U.S.A. today... where you're not supposed to get angry, wake up, or protest outside of "reasonable bounds." Instead, you're advised to sit calmly on the sidelines, listen to & trust your leaders; and where necessary, ingest copious amounts of anti-depressants to get with "the program."
"Cognitive Dissonance 301," now playing at an voting booth near you!
"Instead, you're advised to sit calmly on the sidelines, listen to & trust your leaders; and where necessary, ingest copious amounts of anti-depressants to get with "the program."
Just saw a short video by Guy Finley, Rose; he cited an article that said Americans spent almost as much on psychotropic drugs as the did on gasoline! This is definitely a sign of a deeply troubled society.
"We cannot expect different politicians to act in different ways to the same pressures."
That statement is true within the context of Dem and Rep politicians for the reason that the "pressures" they feel are from the same source - the corps. Both rely on them for their political existence and neither can "afford" to buck them. But as a statement about "politicians" in general it doesn't, IMO, stand as a "given" that all politicians will act in the same way as those of the duopoly do. A politician will react in response to the "pressures" they face from the ones they depend on for their presence in office. That the Dems and Reps continue to bow to corp interests simply proves that they are dependent on corp interest for their presence in office.
If the Amer, people want politicians to bow to "pressure" from themselves they have to be the folks who the politicians rely on for their presence. Right now they have bowed to the concept that it takes "big money" to win, that "if I don't see him/her on TV, he/she is a nobody", that 3rd parties "can't win" and all that other BS. They have let the MSM decide for them who are the "legitimate" choices and who aren't. Until the folks in this country decide that they can take their gov't back from the corps, they won't. They haven't, in good measure because of arguments like yours, and so they don't ....
I'm sorry, but I cannot agree. As someone who not only voted for Nader in 2000, but actively campaigned for the Green Party, I do not regret my decision in the slightest, and would do it again. I left the Democratic Party after 1992 and never looked back -- I have consistently voted Green Party in every presidential election since 1996.
You cannot change the Democratic Party from within. It's too far gone.
Nevertheless, as Stephen Zunes said, "though the differences between Democrats and Republicans may be relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, the power of U.S. government is so great that even small differences can make huge differences... "
Nevertheless, , it would be refreshing to have a primary like the one facing LBJ in 1968 as he planned his reelection campaign. He was pursuing some very unpopular policies, and finally ended up facing Gene McCarthy, George McGovern, and Robert Kennedy in the primaries. They gained so much following that President Lyndon Baines Johnson decided to resign rather than fight (to better pay attention to his “Vietnam conflict,” he explained).
Such a primary season could tear the Democratic Party to pieces.
I think it’s about time.
Let's see some "real Democrats" challenge Obama.
Do not confuse a bone tossed here and there with evidence that poor people come out ahead if Dems win. Of course, the Dems will toss out some "victories" for NGOs to celebrate, and for their PR people to spotlight. But as they entrench the corporation-serving market-enamored privatizing policies they love so much, Dems are not helping poor people come out "ahead." Think Welfare Reform under Clinton; repeal of Glass-Steagal and what its done to all those folks being foreclosed upon. Think of the failure of the Obama Administration to institute a foreclosure moratorium after playing a lead role in pushing through the Wall Street bailouts (without conditions). Think of Clinton et al advancing the NAFTA/WTO nightmare which has done more to hurt poor people than anything I can think of in the last 40 years. Look to Haiti as people die of cholera in part because water systems were held hostage by Democrats and Republicans who didn't like progressive leadership there. Look at the big picture and you will the widening gap between rich and poor furthered by Democrats as well as Republicans. The pious plea for people to remember that those less privileged will get less screwed under Democrats fails to address the reality of what lesser-evilism has done to poor people. The progressive movement needs to try being both progressive and a movement. The time is now!
In the New York State governor race this year, a seasoned candidate Rick Lazio backed out of the Conservative Party ballot line so that his name would not draw votes from Republican candidate Paladino. Lazio's action was a practical one. Lazio would have liked to be the nominee and be governor, but he also showed loyalty to his principles of opposing the Democrats.
Your position seems irrational. If half as many soldier and Iraqis were killed by a Democratic president, that would be a huge accomplishment. The out come of the election matters a lot to a lot of people.
To say the Democratic Party is too far gone to save so chuck it, is like saying America is to far go, so chuck that too. Nothing is ever as good and pure as we would like it, we have to settle for the best we can get and strive to make it better.
Mike Dukakis seemed like a good man, but sucked as a candidate, as inspiring as cold dishwater, Gore sucked and seemed to try to suck worse as a candidate, Kerry also sucked as a candidate. Obama? Well we got what he is and he isn't what we need. We need FDR and we got Ronald Reagan in costume. Nice wife and kids though.
Stay with the Democratic party, organize with progressive democrats, organize "green democrats" pressure the party and the nominating process to get us, all of us, better candidates for next time.
Zunes is wrong about the Republicans too. There must still be a few Republicans who are not racist, not into bloated military spending, who favor civil rights for all gays included and who for some reason still want to be republicans. Maybe they should have a "Green Republican Party" they could affiliate with and could vote for the best Green candidate of either party. Dreaming there....
Your comments may be a dream, but they are not the nightmare that everyone else responding to this article seems to want. Another decade of Republicans is not something I look forward to.
Whatever good points you make, you are forgetting an essential fact.
In the U.S. no one is OBLIGATED to vote.
And even if we were so obligated (as I think we may well should be, like in Australia) we would not be automatically OBLIGED to pick between the two currently dominant parties!
How, therefore is it "irrational" to state, as the poster you responded to has, that one will not vote Blue ("Democratic") because one is a member of a different party, and will only vote for that party?
That may not be the rationale YOU would employ in choosing your vote, but it is clearly not "irrational"!
-matti.
I would offer that you seem to read only that history that suits your premise. Democrats have been in power before you might understand, thus your refusal to see their own complicity, inaction, furtherance of the same corporate wishes as their counterparts is your problem and yours alone.
Do you suggest that people tortured and murdered under Obama are somehow less important than those who received the same treatment under Bush? Have you even had any experience in local democratic clubs or organizations? Your pipe dream belief in the possibility of wresting control of said party would indicate that you have no experience at all.
"To say the Democratic Party is too far gone to save so chuck it, is like saying America is to far go, so chuck that too."
Comparing the welfare of America with the welfare of the Dem. party, hmmmm, big mistake, except, perhaps, to note that just like parties, country's do come and go. We need a country a hell of a lot more than we need a particular party. When a party, like a government, becomes destructive of the ends of meeting the needs of the people of a country, it is the right of that people to alter or abolish it. Both major parties have become destructive of these ends, the argument seems to be whether to alter or abolish them. Attempts to "alter" them to meet their needs have been most successfully accomplished by the corps; for the rest of us such attempts have resulted in demonstrable failure - those who insist on keeping trying, are IMO, spitting in the wind. Our "Founding Fathers", whatever you want to say about them used the bullet to get us the ballot, the civil rights movements for minorities extended the reach of that option, in the name of using it to achieve the ability to have their voices heard without having to use bullets. The time has come for the "abolition" movement to arise again and preach freedom from the corps. Outside of the John Brown contingents who preach abolition through the bullet, there are those who favor abolition through the ballot. Those who would argue that it took bullets to achieve "liberation" in 1860 ignore the fact that those who needed to be liberated did not have the ballot at their disposal. We do. We fail to use it at our peril, as it is deliberately being eroded, even as we speak, by those who understand its power.
At this point, preferring ballots to bullets, I am in favor of abolition through the ballot, and, at this point, i think folks like Nader and the Greens (when they aren't tying themselves up with their own internal squabbles) have the best program for the ballot. But the "message" that must be sent to ANY party is if you do not meet our, we the people's, needs, you're "outta here" .....
"And here is the difference: Democrats, if pressed sufficiently, can change"
What planet does Zunes live on?
I believe it's planet "I have a deadline and I know damned well who signs my checks".
I think that's just outside of Pluto.
The author has learned the wrong lesson.
I voted for Gore in 2000 and now I've finally learned my lesson. Nader would get my vote in 2012. I'm just sorry I didn't vote for him in 2008. The Dems can change? What utter delusional nonsense. I am so sick of people saying we need to vote for the Dems. My vote belongs to me and I'm not wasting it on the Dems ever again. Voting for the Dems just enables them to continue their campaign of deception and betrayal. They are completely useless and are anything but true progressives.
It seems that it would be more "cost effective" to work within the party.
It would be refreshing to have a primary like the one facing LBJ in 1968 as he planned his reelection campaign. He was pursuing some very unpopular policies; until he ended up facing Gene McCarthy, George McGovern, and Robert Kennedy in the primaries. They gained so much following that President Lyndon Baines Johnson decided to resign rather than fight (to better pay attention to his “Vietnam conflict,” he explained).
Such a primary season could tear the Democratic Party to pieces.
I think it’s about time.
Where are the Democratic challengers?
I hope some 'real Democrats' are thinking in this direction, because I doubt that Obama is going to Change much, although I Hope so.
"Where are the Democratic challengers?"
Any from "the left", saw, ala Kucinich, the futility of that approach. Any others will be emboldened only to the extent that certain corporate interests see it in their interest to fund them. i said before the last election that the "battle" between Clinton and Obama, the only one that had any legs, had nothing to do with fighting over the "soul" of the Dem party, it was about control of the DLC (the power broker wing of it). Obama won, temporarily. The battle is still there, IMO, and the Clintons are still in the thick of it, but Hillary made a "strategic" blunder, IMO, in accepting Sec. of State. As such she is in a poor position to challenge Obama. She should have stayed in the Senate and bided her time; I don't think she realized what a disaster his Pres. would be. (Do not mistake the intent of this observation - I have no use for either Clinton, they are just Obama's of a different color)
i hate to tell you but the "real Dems" you refer to are long gone, or have allowed themselves to be neutered (again Kucinich being the example, par excellence) ....
Amen, BillyD!
Voting third party "to teach Democrats a lesson" is a strawman's argument.
Either Zunes doesn't understand or he his misleading. We are against the Democrats policies and are not concerned about petty issues such as teaching them a lesson.
Exactly the same strawman argument Parry made last week.