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God (if only there was one) only knows where the story of human development is leading next. We live in time unlike any other in history, in the sense that lightening-fast technological acceleration guarantees just one thing for sure, that the future will be very different from the present. Not very long ago, you lived and died just like your grandparents had. Tomorrow, question marks hang over everything from the continued existence of life on the planet to the very engineering of the forms it might take.
When it comes to the structure of our system of international politics, we are absolutely stuck in adolescence, complete with all the pimples, difficult growth spurts and general awkwardness that entails. The failure of the international political system to grow along side the technologies related to war, commerce, science, engineering and environmental impact represents something worse than a wholesale disaster in the making. It is a disaster that has long ago already begun to arrive.
In the era succeeding the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648), Europeans transcended feudalism as a form of international organization and adopted the so-called Westphalian System, named for the place in what is today Germany where the peace agreements ending that war were declared. It is a system characterized principally by anarchy at the international level and full sovereignty at the state level. Meaning that there is no significant governmental structure above the level of countries, each of which retain full control over their own policy choices. It is, with some noteworthy but not fundamental modifications, still the structure in place on our little planet to this day, having been globalized by European colonialism and third world decolonization alike.
Whatever value such a system of largely independent states once might have had, it's become a prescription for disaster today. The reason that is the case is no different than the reason the Articles of Confederation were disastrous in late eighteenth century America. The former colonists, having won the war, were busy losing the peace through their insistence on radical decentralization of power, which inevitably led to multiple currencies, a patchwork of trade relations, inability of the central government to raise taxes or seriously conduct diplomacy abroad, and tariff wars if not nearly a real one. Many of the Founders were rightly growing embarrassed by their creation, which is why they ditched it so fast, replacing it with the Constitution drafted in Philadelphia in 1787.
They had run up against a perpetual problem of political organization that more or less exists everywhere, all the time. It is the problem of crafting polities with appropriate degrees of vertical integration. In other words, finding the most suitable balance in power-sharing questions between the units and the whole. The Europeans have been dealing with this issue for half a century at the continental level, and many states within Europe - Britain, Belgium, Spain, etc. - for longer themselves. South Asians and Nigerians have struggled over this question, as have Canadians and former Yugoslavs. This will become a major problem in Africa if the African Union grows in substance and capacity, precisely because of that growth. The United States has been grappling with this issue since before its founding, not least in the Civil War, which was fought fundamentally over this point, not slavery.
The problem is reconciling two competing simultaneous desires, for freedom and local control, on the one hand, and on the other for the conflict prevention and broad extension of fundamental principles that come from locating power and policy decisions at a more universal level. In the American context, we might think about it this way: Those of us in New York will appreciate our autonomy so that we don't have to do things the same way they do in Mississippi, and vice versa. On the other hand, if we have too much of that autonomy, we retain the capacity for armed conflict between the two states. Moreover, if we subscribe to certain fundamental human rights principles - for instance, opposition to slavery - we have to enact those laws at the national level. Allowing each state to do what it wants will mean that those principles will ultimately apply in some places only.
As mentioned above, this very same issue shows up in a zillion contexts, but it is especially relevant today in the burgeoning relationship between the nearly 200 countries of the world and the growing international sphere, as we transition from the Westphalian System to something else, under the relentless drive of globalization. At this moment, we live in a world where interaction of all sorts has gone global, but decision-making power remains local. We are sitting in the 21st century trying make our way, employing an institutional framework for governance that was literally well-suited for the 17th. The same eternal struggle between parts and whole remains to this day, only now it is less about New York and Mississippi versus the federal government as it is about America and Iran versus global institutions.
But the local rule versus universality antagonism remains just as prevalent. Do you want to make sure there is no slavery in the world? Well, then you can't leave it up to individual countries to decide. If you really want that, you have to legislate it and enforce it internationally. Do you think women everywhere should be entitled to education, employment and political power in equal measure to men? Well, you're not gonna get that if you allow each state to set its own policy. And - to expand this notion fully to the level that world federalists have dreamed about for centuries - would you like to see war ended forever? Well, you can, but doing so requires that each country give up possessing a military arsenal of any serious capacity, and that the UN or some other similar institutional expression of global governance instead maintains the overwhelming force necessary to prevent war-bent states from acting on their intentions.
The catch, of course, is the price of admission. To have a world government able to tell other states what they can and cannot do means that you have to be willing to have your state be told as well. That idea of women's rights isn't going to go down so well in Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, a prohibition against the death penalty or the curtailment of war-making capacity will attract few fans in the US. But you can't have one without the other. So far, at least, the governments of most countries have preferred sacrificing peace and global norms of justice on the altar of state sovereignty. This should hardly come as a surprise, given that power is a zero-sum game in this context, and for every bit that is held by a world body, precisely that same amount will, by definition, have been subtracted from each national government. In other words, you can save the tuition money you would have spent on years of graduate school. You don't need a PhD in political science to appreciate why the folks who stand to lose the most oppose losing it.
Of course, nobody stands to lose more than the most powerful of countries, which goes some way toward explaining the abysmal, embarrassing record of the United States when it comes to international law and world federalism. Not all the way, though. Add in the tradition of individualism which is so much a part of American political culture, plus a certain uniquely American arrogance and bellicosity, and now you have a really toxic stew of nationalism and hostility to most any form of shared international governance that would limit our behavior.
The upshot is that no country is more messed up than the US when it comes to the question of international law and governance. The list of key international treaties to which the United States is not a party is astonishing to anyone who has spent a lifetime listening to the mythology about the "rule of law" here. Often, these fundamental, basic documents have been ratified by nearly every country in the world, but then there is the US along with Somalia and North Korea as the only scofflaws from nearly 200 countries in the world. Examples include the Kyoto Protocol, despite the fact that no one produces near the amount of greenhouse gases that we do, the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which we may soon be the only country in the world not to ratify, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, which the US is the only industrialized country not to ratify, the landmine treaty, most of the International Labor Organization Conventions, the International Covenant on Economic Social and Cultural Rights treaty, sometimes referred to as the "International Bill of Rights", and the Migrant Workers Convention.
Those are just for starters, but nevertheless that's quite a record for a country which claims to be all about pioneering freedom and justice and human rights. But my favorite of all is the case of the International Criminal Court. This very new global institution was created for the purpose of holding the Hitlers and Milosevics of this world accountable for their crimes against humanity. Bill Clinton, in his typical fashion, reluctantly and half-heartedly signed the Rome Statue, the ICC's founding treaty, but then did nothing with it, including failing to push for Senate ratification. George W. Bush, in his typical fashion, unsigned the United States from the Rome Statute, but then proceeded to go much further. His administration started leaning on every other country in the world, badgering them to cut bilateral agreements exempting American citizens from coverage by the Court.
Think about that for a second. That represents the United States saying that we don't want there to be a court which prosecutes people for genocide, mass war crimes, or crimes against humanity. But if there has to be such a court we will undermine it in every way conceivable, and we will use coercion to make sure that we don't have to play by its rules, and to guarantee that it can never try any American for huge crimes that shock the world's conscience. Now everybody bow and scrape before the world's great leader in the fight for freedom and human rights!
Fortunately, that was just the evil Bush administration doing what they do best, right? Well, yeah, but only if you ignore the fact that on almost every question that matters Barack Obama represents little other than George W. Bush's third term. Just last month there was the US at it again, undermining the rule of law at every possible juncture, this time under the direction of the president with the big toothy grin, not the one with the scowling smirk (meet the new boss, same as the old boss). An ICC review conference was held in Kampala to consider the idea of adding aggression to the list of crimes punishable by the Court. And there was the US, trying to block that action, or at the very least trying to make the UN Security Council (where the US has a veto) the only forum where the crime of aggression can be charged. Unfortunately for regressives everywhere, by not signing the Rome Statute, the United States lacked a vote in Kampala. But sadly, the US was nevertheless still allowed to be present and make its arguments. Fortunately, the rest of the world just blew us off again and went ahead with the new law bring aggression under its jurisdiction, and with allowing the Court to make such charges itself instead of relying on the Security Council.
Of course, one might stop for a moment and just ask the simple question, why would the United States even want to oppose trying individuals for acts of aggression that are responsible for mass death and mayhem? Hmmm, I dunno. Could Iraq have anything to do with that? Panama? Grenada? Vietnam? Actually the Court's jurisdiction is not retroactive, but you get the picture. If you are in the habit of kicking the asses of other countries whenever you feel like it, you might not like anyone curtailing your addiction.
The ICC is living testimony to the fact that the world is moving - slowly, to be sure - away from the anarchy of the classic Westphalian System, and dragging the most recalcitrant regressive reprobates (you know who we are) along with it. It's not an easy trick, in part because there is a real legitimacy to the idea of not universalizing all, or even most, policy issues, but only those which absolutely must be located at a global level, retaining the rest for national, provincial and local polities to grapple with as they individually see fit. This is the doctrine of subsidiarity, a key notion in the practice of federalism, that stipulates policy decisions should always be made at the lowest level pragmatically possible, and it's a good idea.
Thinking about even the outside possibilities of global governance in 2010 necessarily means envisioning a very weak mix when it comes to the powers of an international government. That's far less than optimal from the perspective of supporting human rights and other issues, many of which would have be universalized at a later date. But, however disappointing the partial development of a world government might be at this time, it would in fact be more than helpful if one could be created purely for purposes of dealing with the most pressing global issues of our time, including environmental crises and war. These are global problems which cannot be solved at the level of state governments, which these problems and these governments been kind enough to demonstrate over and over again.
We've already taken some steps in this direction, as both the ICC itself and its remit against crimes of aggression indicate. But, as never before in human history, the race is now on between the human capacity to destroy and human maturity to adopt mechanisms preventing such destruction.
The former is out to a very big lead so far, while the solution of global governance has hardly even begun to dent the consciousness of most people on the planet.
My guess is that we'll pay dearly for that imbalance.



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Show AllI'm not so sure international bodies are gaining in popularity and support. The UN garners no respect, not from the big countries that have the most influence (not just the US). The International Court has addressed few major crimes since its inception. Even the loose confederation of nations making up the European Union is having a hard time keeping together.
Humans are tribal. That is, they identify with those they perceive as sharing tribal membership and they defend that tribe. Evolutionary biology supports that perspective. There is fairly good evidence that "belongingness" is not simply inscribed on the blank slate of the human mind through social conditioning, but stands at the very heart of our being human. I do not see our species coming together, giving up sovereignty, just because it is "good" for us. It won't happen any time soon anyway.
The challenge is to convince the adults of the future, the children of today and tomorrow, that the entire human race is their tribe. It becomes more difficult whenever those from other lands, or those of other races, ethnicities, religions, or even sexes, are demonized and labeled as "the other." If it were measured, I suspect that the US would receive one of the worst marks in this, as it would with regard to virtually every other aspect of promoting a unified human race.
Agreed, completely. And the solution seems to require mainly education, particularly in biology, recognizing not just the relatedness of the web of life on earth, but our own brief but overwhelming part in it.
I think most of us learned and accepted somewhere around 5th grade that, "The equator is an imaginary line around the earth" (that seemed like an easy one to me, and I was far from the sharpest tool in the shed!).
Given that, we ought to be able to learn that the borders around countries are also imaginary lines that exist only in our minds--like the countries themselves--and that they do little more than further divide us, both from ourselves and a viable future.
Yes. For an excellent, fictional representation of this, watch the Jean Renoir film "The Grand Illusion". It dates from 1937...
In fact, the borders around countries in Africa are completely imaginary, having little to do with the cultures of the peoples within them. They were drawn by European colonialists trying to accumulate as many natural resources as they could.
And the borders of European countries are just as imaginary. In a history course once, we had to study the map of Europe pre-Napolean and post-Napolean, and the map of Germany, pre-Bismark and post-Bismark.
But try selling that to the Europeans. Just as hard as convincing Americans that the boundaries of the states were set arbitrarily.
You make some good points, and I agree with your general point, but just some nitpicks.
The boundaries of what are modern day France, and modern day Germany have basically existed since the death of Charlemagne. When he died, his kingdom / empire was basically split 3 ways. One part, the western part, was what is modern day France. The eastern part, was what is modern day Germany. The central part was what is modern day Belgium, the Netherlands, northern Italy, Switzerland. For a period, Belgium and the Netherlands were Burgundy, then became part of the Austro Hungarian Hapsburgs via marriage.
Those boundaries were arbitrary, based on which of his sons / brothers got what, but they have existed for some time. Of course, some of them have changed over time.
To say that the one true tribe is "all of humanity" kind of makes the word "tribe" meaningless. The tribal instinct is real and strong even irrespective of social conditioning (for proof, you need look no further than the rabid sports fan living next door). As times become tougher and tougher, we'll see more and clearer demarcations between race, and class, and religion, and State. Much of our genetic wiring is indeed counterproductive in the context of the modern world we find ourselves in. Could the social environment conceivably be tweaked in such a way that our wiring would work less destructively against us? Sure. But the genetic wiring of those skimming the cream off the top, isn't likely to permit it. --Dino
In other words, we must submit, we have no choice but to submit, to whatever they permit. No wonder you adhere to conventional definitions of tribalism.
Uhh, sports fandom tends to be a result of social conditioning. One does not just become a fan of a particular team out of the blue.
Ask yourself why you think that rabid sports fan next door chooses to follow the sports s/he does, support the teams s/he does.
I say this as a sports fan.
RichM has already demolished your assertion. So you're a UN basher, just like Fox "News". Only the big and mighty US has serious influence, and no one else can be taken seriously. No one can keep it together, and never mind about the US's mighty influence in insuring that no one ever does. That just means we're all tribal and have been genetically programmed to be thus. BTW, evolutionary biology supports no such perspective, despite your casual claims.
"There is fairly good evidence that "belongingness" is not simply inscribed on the blank slate of the human mind through social conditioning, but stands at the very heart of our being human."
And this means we're all destined to be forever at war with one another? Casting your proclamation in another light, it can also mean that our "belongingness" has to do with our being HUMAN, but your uber-pessimism rejects such a position. You'd have us think we're doomed to tribalistic warfare forever. Also, your "blank slate of the human mind" drivel has been overthrown as an accurate representation of human consciousness or cognition for decades. What "stands at the very heart of our being human" for you is a dead end street for the human species.
Humans are tribal. Sure. So, why should someone living in NYC identify with someone living in Dallas, whom s/he has never ever met, simply because they both have US citizenship? Why not identify with someone else living in NYC, whom s/he eats at the same places with, goes to the same bars with, supports the same sports teams with, etc, regardless of their national citizenship?
Why form tribes based on countries? Why not States? Why States? Why not cities? Define "sovereignty"? What makes sovereignty based on some lines on a map, the USA, better than sovereignty based on some other lines on a map, NYS or Texas? And why NYS, and not Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Amherst, NYC?
DMG hits the nail on the head yet again.
So how can we get the majority of USAans to get their heads out of their kazoos and appreciate his point of view?
I'm having trouble with the 4th paragraph. "The former colonists, having won the war, were busy losing the peace through their insistence on radical decentralization of power..."
Certainly a different read than Howard Zinn's. According to Zinn, the Shays Rebellion (among others popping up all over New England at the time) was a popular uprising when some of these "former colonists" realized that the war they just "won" mainly benefited the wealthy land-owner class.
Zinn points to the "coincidence" of the meeting of the Constitutional Congress shortly thereafter: "The Constitution was a class document written to protect the interests of bondholders and slave owners and land expansionists. So the outcome of the Revolution was not exactly good for everybody, and it created all sorts of problems."
Let's not forget that Israel refuses the jurisdiction of the ICC, for the same excellent reasons that Green ascribes to the U.S. refusal: "... we don't want there to be a court which prosecutes people for genocide, mass war crimes, or crimes against humanity."
'the fact that on almost every question that matters Barack Obama represents little other than George W. Bush's third term'...
Stole my line, though my goes:
Obama = Bush & Clinton's Third Term
It's worse than just warrantless wiretapping. The US Federal Government has had thought reading technology for sixteen years (at least) and has been using that, coupled with selective broadcasting and dream manipulations to attempt to actually change peoples personalities and memories.
Why does the President want to continue to hide illegal Thought Reading activities by the government under the ruse of ‘State Secrets? Why did Obama hire so many Clinton employees in his White House, including Eric Holder who was in the Clinton Admin in when I was first abused by this technology? Why is Obama’s Admin so against holding government personnel responsible for crimes that they commit in office? Doesn’t a man who ran for President partly on the recommendation of his resume as a Constitutional Scholar KNOW that Thought Reading technology is anti-Constitutional against unlawful search and seizure?
This technology is what was exposed due to whistle blowers Atty. Mann (Newsweek 12/22/08) and Russell Tice (Countdown with Keith Olbermann 1/21/09) with reference to surveillance by NSA. I believe that this technology supplies the intelligence that Attorney Mann reported to Michael Isikoff as being supplied to the D.O.J. under Attorney General-only approval and being back-doored through warrantless wiretaps. The method of information gathering (thought reading) that supplies the back-door information later attributed to warrantless wiretaps is hidden under the governments 'State Secrets' privilage.
I believe that this is the technology that Russell Tice referred to as the ‘avenue’ that was keeping some un-terrorist Americans under surveillance 24/7 (he mentioned one group: journalists). Both men are under threat of prosecution for revealing some facets of NSA’s activities, which the government claims violates 'State Secret' laws. I am not.
Until recently, information on the method of their ‘remote’ verbal broadcasting (which can be heard by the victim, but not by others in the same vicinity) was not known. But the August 5th 2002 edition of Newsweek has an article “Hearing is Believing” (written by Jamie Reno and N’gai Croal) that explains the manipulation of sound waves to isolate a target to hear what others around them cannot.
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Wow, this is not a typical essay by David Michael Green. In this essay, David is on a higher level when he speaks of the adolescence of humankind. We are at about a third grade level.
Green hits upon one of the great critical issues of our time, the failure of the international political system to keep pace with war. And U.S. wars are much about U.S. global corporate rule. But David Green does not speak of global corporate rule although this is what U.S. foreign policy is trying to protect.
The great cry in the world today is for universal justice and a powerful International Criminal Court is one of the key remedies to counter the forces of American nationalism and unrestrained corporate rule. The cry for peace should be replaced with a cry for universal justice.
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But the U.S. does not see it that way. U.S. foreign policy is based upon perpetuating the dominance of American global corporations. This is what constitutes “vital American interests”. The U.S. goes to war to protect U.S. global corporate interests.
David Green brings up a very important point about the seldom referred to principle of subsidiarity (Subsidiarity is denied by spell-check). Subsidiarity is a little known principle of Catholic social thought that is about not promoting any economic or political activity on a higher level that can be done on the local level. The purpose of subsidiarity is to maintain the vitality of the local community. Local production for local consumption would be a good example.
The reality is that the world has not been able to control the ravages of war on the national level. Thus oversight to reduce war must move to the global level.
The neo-cons of free market capitalism hate the United Nations because to them, global corporations and global capitalism should be ruling the world, not people and democratic governments. This is what the neo-cons refer to as “The New World Order”. The "new world order" is distinctly different from global government.
The U.S, may be pleading the principles of subsidiarity against a world government but it is entirely hypercritical in the way the U.S. government fosters the rule of corporate power over the ability of national governments to determine their own economic destiny.
Good points. I like what you say about Subsidiarity.
"The problem is reconciling two competing simultaneous desires, for freedom and local control, on the one hand, and on the other for the conflict prevention and broad extension of fundamental principles that come from locating power and policy decisions at a more universal level."
Centralization's "fundamental principles" have been primarily the interests of business and capital. That was true at the constitutional convention, and it's true now. DMG, as always, resides in a naive liberal fantasy world.
Similarly, "universal" international organizations have been about capitalist discipline.
Get US out of the UN. - - does more harm than good - - Iran sanctions is most recent issue
But that's because the U.S. dominates the UN in the ibnterests of the American Empire
Well, yes. Sounds like a good argument in support of my proposal. The "Peace Keeping" function of the UN has been a continuing disaster.
So the universal isn't really universal. It's classic ideology, where class interests pretend to be societal interests. And there's nothing about localism that rules out the notion of universal. It's just a false dichotomy that Green has created, which liberals have perpetuated for decades in the name of the civil rights movement. Of course, it goes back much farther.
Well, you're do the same thing that DMG is doing.
Presenting it as if there are only beneficial aspects to localism.
No I'm not, obviously.
It's a gangster system. The the most powerful capitalist wins. International rules are just procedural screens to legitimate the interests of the most powerful. The Bush administration simply found that the international institutions the US was instrumental in creating were no longer serving the biggest bully's wishes.
After finishing the article, I found it to a complete waste of time. Thanks for your post, at least I got something out of the experience.
Well, the problem is the tension between various different aspects of localism and various different aspects of universalism. Some of each, localism and universalism, are beneficial, some aren't.
He's not some neo-con conspirator "glossing over" or "quietly allowing" a global banking hegemony. He gave examples of the kind of things that should be under international law and I imagine strong corporate regulations would be included, if not nationalized banks.
"his essays over the last few years, & have never heard him advocate serious radical positions on ANYTHING, including the notion of nationalizing the banks."
Quite true.
I don't know Green's positions on bank regulation and I probably do give too much benefit of the doubt but centrist economists were calling for nationalization of failing banks rather than bailouts (allbeit temporarily) and I doubt he's to the right of Stiglitz and Krugman. The bank of Dakota is state run and I think many people would be open to the idea of a national bank to compete in the market-apparently economists of the progressive era assumed finance would be public sector (see Michael Hudson). My point is it's not as radical as you may imagine.
If there was public pressure for certain concrete regulations, backed by centrist economists, something good could happen but I've never seen such organized protests. Dean Baker called for protestors to show up at a banking event in Chicago last year-did anyone show?
So, what is your solution?
Go local. Fine. But, let's take the US for an example. Certain big states, California, NY, Texas, are net financial contributors to the system. Whereas small states, Wyoming, Alabama, Arkansas, are net financial beneficiaries of the system. This is due to population size and population density. So, the big states should all break off? Localism. Hooray. But wait. Take NY state. In NYS, NYC is the big financial driver of the economy. Western NYC, upstate, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester, all these places benefit from NYC. So, should NYC break away? Localism. Hooray. But wait. Some sections of NYC are wealthier than other sections. So, should Manhattan, together with maybe suburbs such as Westchester break away?
And of course, every country has these financial imbalances. In the UK, England is the net contributor, whereas Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland the beneficiaries. But even in England, these imbalances exist. The south of England contributes more than the North. But wait, even then there is more. London is to England what NYC is to NYS.
If everyone breaks away from everyone, screaming localism, localism, localism, how long do you think before war breaks out?
And why the heck do you think that capitalism won't exist if you have many many many little countries on the map? Do you think that McDonald's, or Apple, is going to close up, if the various states, cities, towns of the US all decide to go their own way?
So, where do you find the balance between local and central?
"Certain big states, California, NY, Texas, are net financial contributors to the system. Whereas small states, Wyoming, Alabama, Arkansas, are net financial beneficiaries of the system."
I am very impressed that instead of the usual stereotyping and misinformation favored by some here that you are using real facts...(not suggesting that you don't as a matter of course)
Local strengths are very important, but only in the framework that supports them.
Excellent post. Your analogies are top notch.
The UN is either a hammer for the US or a figleaf to to partially hide behind when promoting their agenda.If I were the rest of the world I'd move the UN to the middle of Africa or Nepal and tell the US to stuff it. Tony
Really. The UN would probably be more effective is it was united against the U.S., the world's biggest war machine.
It is possible to be both collective and decentralized. Up until recently, most of Europe was doing great keeping their local businesses going and working with the economies of other nations. DMG fails to mention that the same centralization schemes in the US have already been applied to Europe when one looks at the European centralized bank and the Euro dollar which only made it easier for the US and Wall $treet to ruin their economies and attempt to push them into desperately siding with the same ideas of disaster capitalism that ruined the US.
"applied to Europe when one looks at the European centralized bank and the Euro dollar which only made it easier for the US and Wall $treet to ruin their economies"
I'd like to suggest you look again at what happened and who was involved. I believe you'll find that Europes as well as Asia's banksters were in it up to their necks. The bubble burst in the US but the US wasn't "victimizing" any of these nations. This was an economic heist by the international economic community from the people of the world.
Ok, it is true that the banksters in Europe bought into "too big to fail" and I don't know why they bought into Wall $treet's devilish offers. As for the Asian bankers, I don't know much about their culture other than Russia's (shame on me), but I hear that they copy the US far faster than most of Europe. I have been banking on local economies and their structural unity, both of which the US lack to help them withstand the impact and still do.
P.S.: DMG on this article is better than most of his articles but still has some more connecting to do.
"I don't know why they bought into Wall $treet's devilish offers"
Their greed, thats why!
And they had plenty of offers out themselves. They were hip deep in derivatives and tricky paper that had little to do with the US. Just think of them as one big family that wanted to steal from everyone. Thats them!
"I have been banking on local economies and their structural unity, both of which the US lack to help them withstand the impact and still do."
Our local economies are far, far stronger than the rest of the worlds, no matter the region. Heck, my state has a larger economy than most of Europes or Asia's.
You'll have to explain their "structural unity" to me.
"Our local economies are far, far stronger than the rest of the worlds, no matter the region."
I find that hard to believe based on experience.
"Heck, my state has a larger economy than most of Europes or Asia's."
Texas may have a large economy of its own but that big? And what about the actual quality of the economy? Most countries may not have as big an economy as the US but at least they take the time and money to put fairness for all first unlike this nation which has deteriorated up until the recent times and even that isn't holding on very well.
"You'll have to explain their "structural unity" to me."
Sorry about my slip of words on that one. I meant to talk about society's respect for small and local compared to our nation's addiction to "too big to fail".
Not to mention that the central bankster racket is a european invention (via venice-netherlands-england-usa). It was wallstreet, LONG AGO, that bought into the "venetian party's" city-of-london's devilish offers. Wallstreet opted for "class loyalty" over nationalism OR loyalty to the commoners. This was known even in Lincoln's time (& conveniently lost down the "memory hole"). His greenbacks was the civil war's "monetary front" against the OTHER enemy : the wallstreet financiers & new england "tory" imperialists. We the people have lost this war to "the devilish" bankster syndicate at LEAST since the Fed's creation in 1913 (I've read some opinions that we've been lost to these banksters since andy jackson ruined the nat'l bank & by DEFAULT, gave away the money power to private wallstreet financiers, chiefly j.p. morgan, representing city-of-london's interests here in this "break-away/rogue replublic"). Now it's people/public power, vs private money power, the whole world around. The empire is not US, British,Dutch, or Venetian; it's global, and against all people, everywhere.
Why the US stuck with Old Europe's ways is beyond me at times.
The power to say "this shall be funded, make it so", and, "this shall be starved of funds, and cut off from the earth", is a god-like power. It can become a powerfully seductive addiction; more powerful than life itself. What was satan's proffered temptation to jesus to turn him to the dark side? " Bow down to me, and i will give you all of these kingdoms to rule over." Jesus said no. the banksters, I truly believe, were also offered this deal, and they said "hell yeah. I'll take that deal". Those on the Path that I walk, happen to believe, whether they say it, or not, that this is a minor "hell world", & we are stuck behind "enemy lines", seeking to evade the enemy, and make it back to home. My wife opened up my eyes to this truth with that terse summary. That's why I'm conflicted about the political battle. This is a battle on the symbolic "western front". I selected (or was "drafted") to become a "soldier" on the "eastern front". I tend to believe the crisis is so severe, though, that "all hands on deck" is the standing order of our times.
Read the damn article again.
That the balance to be both local and central has to be found is the MAIN theme of the damn article.
And sorry you're wrong. Europe's problem vis a vis its financial and monetary models right now, is not that it is centralised ala the US, it is because it has yet to find the balance between local and central. Financial and monetary powers are split halfway between the countries, and the ECB. There is nothing for example to prevent a government like the Greek government from repeatedly lying to the ECB about its finances. That successive Greek governments could lie to the ECB about their books should tell you that the system really isn't as centralised as you think it is.
Good point, but please try be a bit more gentle in your suggestions to reread.
How convenient of you to omit Goldman Sachs which had a lot to do with Greece's mess ! Yes, there were corrupt pols but centralizing the currency just like the clobbering of small businesses in the US had everything to do with the crash. The ECB was itself dishonest by design because they were based on "too big to fail". How is "too big to fail" working out for you?
I've mentioned GS many times in the past.
But guess what? GS helped the Greek gov to lie. The Greek gov chose to get help from GS to lie.
"The ECB was itself dishonest by design because they were based on "too big to fail". How is "too big to fail" working out for you?"
This is meaningless.
"Yes, there were corrupt pols but centralizing the currency just like the clobbering of small businesses in the US had everything to do with the crash. "
I repeat: the Greek gov, the conservative Greek gov lied to the ECB about Greece's finances. There was nothing the ECB could do. It had to accept the Greek gov's claims about its finances at face value.
Does that sound centralist to you?
>>>rfloh wrote: the Greek gov, the conservative Greek gov lied to the ECB about Greece's finances.
I didn't know about that, but it sure fits a pattern of mismanagement and miscalculations in joining the eurozone (which requires strict housekeeping). I had made a brief reference to problems with Greece's tax system - such as too many tax exemptions, tax evasion, etc., on this other story by Mark Weisbrot:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/09-11
From a Bloomberg story in Feb. 2010:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=apSz28ifLL9U
Greece’s revenue from income tax was 4.7 percent of GDP in 2007, compared with an EU average of 8 percent, EU statistics show. Tax revenue fell by 2.5 percentage points of GDP between 2000 and 2007 to a euro region-low of 32 percent even as economic growth averaged 4.1 percent a year.
That decline has helped push the deficit to 12.7 percent of GDP, more than four times the EU limit. It has also inflated the national debt, which at 120 percent of GDP will be the highest in the euro region this year.
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The government is seeking to tap more revenue from a society in which 95 percent of taxpayers declare annual income of less than 30,000 euros. The Bank of Greece estimates a campaign against evasion and corruption could glean as much as 5 billion euros a year.
“What distinguishes Greece from the rest of the pack is the extent of tax evasion,” said Michael Massourakis, chief economist at Athens-based Alpha Bank, the country’s third biggest-lender. “If you don’t attack tax evasion you don’t have the moral authority to cut spending.”
DMG says we are slowly moving, ever so slowly towards a global society, global governance and the ICC is proof.
I'm sorry, but I don't see that at all. If anything, the countries of the world are moving speedily back to Nationalism and the ICC has absolutely no governance because it cannot enforce its rulings.
Academic exercise in wishful thinking as far as I can see.
Those that feel that borders are imaginary are in for a rude shock over the next few years.
The UN is useless and don't be surprised if there is a push in America for the US to withdraw from it in the next 5 years. I don't believe we will though, but our financial contribution will be scaled back to other countries levels (I think)
The U.S. will only drop out of the UN if it's is democratized and loses it's sacred veto power. Until then the UN functions as a propaganda podium for US interests and with it's veto power (which the US as used more then any of the other four members combined) can basically control much of the serious agenda of the UN.
Historically the state of Palestine has probably suffered more from our veto power then any other with Iraq and Viet Nam winning silver and bronze.... Oh, yes then there's that pesky country Cuba which BP (Back Planet) might be more successful in destroying then 50 years of hate and harassment from the US.
The UN certainly functions as a propaganda podium. but having seen it in action and witnessed many of its proclamations I'd certainly say its not the US that uses it for propaganda.
Not by any means.
Yeah right. The US as veto power. Your propaganda is ridiculous.