Iran Agrees to Partial Recount of Disputed Ballots
TEHRAN - Thousands of people began massing in the streets here again on Tuesday to protest Iran's disputed presidential election, increasing tensions a day after clashes left at least seven people dead during the largest antigovernment demonstration since the Iranian revolution.
But in answer to the supreme leader's turnabout call for an examination of opposition charges of vote-rigging, the country's powerful Guardian Council said Tuesday it was prepared to order only a partial recount, and it ruled out an annulment of the vote, according to state television and news reports.
The concession was rejected by the main opposition candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, and other opponents of the declared winner, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The opponents demand that a new election be held.
As the political tumult grew, the Iranian government canceled all foreign press credentials and told Iranian journalists they could report only from their offices, but news continued to flow out of Tehran.
Meanwhile, Mr. Ahmadinejad appeared to try to project a secure grip on power, leaving Iran to fly to Russia on Tuesday for a meeting on international security.
Seeking to reclaim the initiative after the opposition's enormous show of strength on Monday, Mr. Ahmadinejad's supporters called for a their own rally on Tuesday, and demonstrators from both camps began to gather in the same part of Tehran.
A spokesman for Mr. Moussavi was quoted as urging them not to attend "to protect their lives," Reuters reported.
In Twitter feeds and on Web sites - a primary source of communication for the opposition - Mr. Moussavi's supporters asked that protesters wear black in honor of the seven killed Monday.
Speaking at Monday's huge rally, Mr. Moussavi said he had written to the Guardian Council to complain about the election but had little hope of action from the panel because many of its members had supported Mr. Ahmadinejad ahead of the election.
"I believe annulling the election results would be the least harmful measure," he said. "Otherwise people will no longer have confidence in the system and the government," he said. But the Guardian Council rejected that demand, Reuters reported.
"Based on the law, the demand of those candidates for the cancellation of the vote, this cannot be considered," the spokesman, Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, a spokesman for the Guardian Council, told state television, Reuters said.
Mr. Ahmadinejad flew to Yekaterinburg, Russia, for a summit meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, grouping Russia, China and four central Asian states. At the gathering, Mr. Ahmadinejad did not mention the Iranian election, but gave a speech in which he referred to regional problems, describing Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine as occupied and unstable.
"The world is gripped by economic and political crises, and there is no hope for their solution," he said. "The countries allied with America are also in no condition to cope with these crises."
He added: "The current political and economic order is approaching the end of its mastery of the world. It is absolutely clear that the epoch of empire has come to an end."
Mr. Medvedev did not offer any public comments on the Iranian election. He later met on the sidelines of the conference with Mr. Ahmadinejad, Kremlin officials said.
In contrast with doubts expressed in many west European capitals over the validity of the Iranian ballot, a deputy foreign minister of Russia, Sergei Ryabkov, told reporters that Russia had warm relations with Iran.
"Elections in Iran are an internal affair of the Iranian people, but we welcome the newly elected president of that state," Mr. Ryabkov said.
On Monday, hundreds of thousands of people from across Iranian society poured into the streets to protest what they charge were fraudulent results in last week's vote. The protests initially were believed to have been largely peaceful and only one death was reported.
But violence erupted after dark when protesters surrounded and attempted to set fire to the headquarters of the Basij volunteer militia, which is associated with the Revolutionary Guards, according to news agency reports.
State radio said seven people died after an "unauthorized gathering" following Monday's mass rally when protesters tried to attack "a military location," the A.P. said.
Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, was compelled to respond to the popular and sustained defiance and called Monday for a formal review of the results, the first hint that the government might fear it could not control the crowds. But Mr. Ahmadinejad's decision to leave the country as head of state threatened to inflame voters. Mr. Ahmadinejad had already incensed protesters when he compared them to angry soccer fans whose team had lost and called them "dust."
One demonstrator fired off a Twitter message, one of thousands of brief electronic dispatches that kept the outside world up-to-the-minute on the protests, proclaiming: "Ahmadinejad called us dust, we showed him a sandstorm."
The silent march through central Tehran on Monday represented an extraordinary show of defiance from a broad cross section of society and some protesters began to sense that the leadership's firm backing of Mr. Ahmadinejad had wavered.
In his first public comment on the situation in Iran, President Obama said he was deeply troubled by postelection violence and called on Iranian leaders to respect free speech and the democratic process. He told reporters he would continue pursuing a direct dialogue with Tehran, but he urged that any Iranian investigation of election irregularities be conducted without bloodshed.
The protests showed how the government's assertion that Mr. Ahmadinejad won re-election by a margin of almost two to one had further cleaved Iranian society into rival camps.
On one side are the most powerful arms of the Islamic system of government: Ayatollah Khamenei; the military; the paramilitary; and the Guardian Council. On the other is a diverse coalition that has grown emboldened by the day, with some clerics joining two former presidents and Mr. Moussavi, the former prime minister and main opposition candidate, who addressed the crowd from the roof of a car near Freedom Square in downtown Tehran.
Earlier Monday, Ayatollah Khamenei stepped in to try to calm a growing backlash, forcing him into a public role he generally seeks to avoid as the country's top religious authority. Under Iran's dual system of government, with civil and religious institutions, the supreme leader can usually operate in the shadows, while elected officials serve as the public face of Iranian governance and policy.
He called for the Guardian Council to conduct an inquiry into the opposition's claims that the election was rigged and then had that announcement repeated every 15 minutes on Iranian state radio throughout the day. It was a rare reversal.
Nazila Fathi reported from Tehran, and Alan Cowell from Paris. Bill Keller reported from Tehran, Clifford J. Levy from Moscow and Andrew E. Kramer from Yekaterinburg, Russia.
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22 Comments so far
Show AllThe picture showed a woman out speaking her mind and worried about being persecuted for it. Don't pretend to have a clue as to who I am or who I associate with. Obvious from your statement, you don't have a clue.
You like them so long as they conform to whatever stereotype you hold about them.
Being that my wife and entire family of in-laws and my child are of Persian descent, that I've celebrated the Iranian new year with them, and that I've actually lived in Arab countries, have and continue to work alongside Palestinians struggling against occupation, please explain the above comment. I look forward to it, though plan to hear nothing. Yawn.
Salam
Pure Propaganda. And I ain't read it.
I saw the evil, scary, oohhhhh, "Iranian," I doubt it, Hollywood it looks like.
Iranians near soley speak Farsi, not English....and scary looking lady protesters would NEVER have that dumb sign and that stupid look at once. On the Natch. Tel-Aviv would script and cast it though. Like the Mosque blast that killed 25-30 a couple weeks ago. Woman is a drama major in Israel.
Tripe.
"Pure Propaganda. And I ain't read it."
This just about sums up most the people commenting here. Thanks.
drew3000, You are welcome. The picture said it all.
Ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh, EVIL SCARY WICKED IRANIAN!!!!!!!!!!!
She wants to kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yawn, I like Persians and Arabs, so you and I would never see eye to eye.
Shalom.
It is striking to me that in all the discussion and commentary about the possibly stolen election in Iran, no one is recalling our own stolen elections in the U.S. in 2000 and 2004. It is just really a shame that the American people were not so adamant as the Iranian people about refusing to allow an election to be stolen.
Good point. As a side note, though, lot's of people commenting on these articles are recalling our own stolen elections, they are just employing some sort of syllogistic logic on loan from the Bizarro World to rationalize why previous U.S. vote rigging means the recent Iranian election was somehow authentic. I don't pretend to get it, but the comments are littered with it: Mention the Ahmadinijadelection and the immediate response is the Bush election. I do get why Ahmadinijad reminds people of Bush: Fundementalist, militaristic, loves the death penalty, not so keen on women's rights, the potential for creative math, etc. But just because the U.S. left can't mobilize properly to defeat Bush, the war in Iraq, what have you, that shouldn't mean the Iranians need to pay the price for it.
Hey there's that same good-looking model hired by an advertising agency for the CIA for the rigged demonstrations in Ukraine and Georgia. She sure gets around.
Maybe you just think all foreigners look the same?
Here are some short inspiring videos produced by Iranian young people recently. People Power will win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsTmQH2grgs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QO1Tj4w3-0&feature=channel_page
and french, spanish, chinese and german are all taught in american schools, but the signs are in english.
anyone who isnt an "urbanite liberal" in iran will most likely not carry a sign in english. not to mention the revelation that Mousavi is connected to Manuchehr Ghorbanifar who is an iranian arms merchant, and most likely a mossad double agent who was involved in the whole contra scandal.
the people of iran witnessed democracy in full swing. they had no diebold machines and ahmadinejad took the majority of the vote. the reformists are just mad their guy didnt win
too bad so sad
Sources for any of this? Most likely, it's the common language that most people learn. Like it or not, English is the more ubiquitous language, so if you want to get your message out to foreigners, it's your best chance. Protests seem to be growing nationwide and are not confined to Tehran. Don't ask me to do your research for you until provide an authentic source for the above. Search it yourself.
>>Most likely, it's the common language that most people learn.
Sources for this?
10 Million Iranians are Illiterate. The majority of Iranians speak Farsi and Farsi is the most common language NOT English.
When I see The French Protest they carry signs in French. When I Protest I do not carry a sign in Chinese.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
Now Unless I missed it.
Iran does not make the list. However if you look at countries like Turkey or Pakistan you will see a rekatively SMALL population of English speakers. This list includes English as a first and or second language.
Thus in Pakistan Total population of 170 million there is 17 million with a knowlege of English.
In Turkey out of a Population of 70 million , some 12 million can speak English as a first or second language.
Iran is isolated from the West they have far fewer reasons to learn English. The percentage with knowledge of English as a first or second language would be between a Bangladesh (2.2 percent) and Pakistan (10 percent) and I am being generous.
A population of 70 million would suggest around 4 million English speakers.
Now more people in FRANCE speak English, but they do not carry English Signs when they protest.
If you are stating that the language of discourse with the International world, then it should be patently obvious with some 5 percent as English speakers, which are typically of the upper Middle Class and supporters of Mousavi , we get only ONE side of the story.
If these same 5 percent have it in their best Interests to see Mousavi one, why would they sned to the west in English the message "yes I stalked to the Villgaers in South iran, none of whom speak English and 67 percent of them voted Ahnamijeed.
Good points all, but if your goal is to get a message out to the foreign press on this issue, would you find someone to translate your message into Chinese? Having attended rallies in the West Bank, Palestinians who do not speak English often ask internationals or fellow Palestinians who do to translate their signs into English and Hebrew. Now, why wouldn't they translate them into Hebrew? Because they want the message to reach a wider popularion and realize that not everyone even in Israel knows Hebrew, and having signs translated into Russian, French, German and other languages there is not going to have the same impact as putting it in English which also means the world at large will have a better understanding of the banners.
Certainly. But you would then have to demonstrate that these spreading the information have been ASKED by those that can not speak English to do so.
How many times have you seen a kid carrying a protest sign, where they have NO IDEA what message the sign is giving simply because an adult stuffed it into their hands?
Now I used the link to show the relatively small numbers of people who can speak English as a First or second language in Iran.
Why is it then that the press and media shows all these TWITTER messages in English only?
These twitter messages are supposedly used inside Iran to organize marches and inform people where to meet.
Now this is anecdotal to be sure but the points are relevant.
http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/
This observer points out a number of issues HE has with this sudden TWITTER deluge.
Such as many of the twitter messages originating In Israel.
True, and again, points to take things in caution. I've come across the Israeli twitter phenom story before and anyone can use these tools for different reasons. I know a number of pro-Palesitnian activists using it as well and a lot of people opposed ot hte election handling in Iran are using it. That they are a US-funded front I haven't seen proof yet. I haven't seen proof (whether they know English or not) that the people attending the anti-government demonstrations were there because they were somehow tricked into it, and if they were they would surely figure out they were duped when the police started beating them and firing at them.
The media that is talking about twitter thus far is catering to an English lanugage audience, but there is a number of farsi stuff going on as My wife has been looking at obsessively since Saturday morning. Her Facebook and Twitter look nothing like mine. It's almost all in farsi and its almost all about where what protest is going on and when. It's kind of crazy and shows how there's not much of a centralized campaign because we had different messages calling for different protest times out front the embassy and consulate here in London, and ended up just working out the most likely middle time people would show up and then rotated between the embassy and consulate (they're close here) until we saw where people actually were. The stuff she sees coming out of Iran, in farsi, is similar. Different people calling for action in different areas all over the place.
Still, we should keep in mind that there is a population in Iran that does not have the access or means to be as vocal. In that area I would ask, how do we really know what they have to say, how many of them actually voted, how they all voted, and if all their votes were really counted? I would be interested in seeing some independent, nongovernmental observer's direct testimony on what they saw during the voting and during the counting and verification process.
"Thousands of people began massing in the streets here again on Tuesday ..."
Funny how the NYT reports on demonstrations in Iran but not in America. Just ask Amy Goodman.
So no one here is now quoting Amy Goodman anymore, either then?
I notice in her latest episode of Democracy Now she features Arang Keshavarzian. He "is associate professor at the Department of Middle Eastern Studies and Islamic Studies at New York University and on the Editorial Committee of MERIP, the Middle East Research and Information Project, where he helped edit the Spring 2009 special issue called “The Iranian Revolution at 30.” He is also author of Bazaar and State in Iran: The Politics of the Tehran Marketplace."
Listen, watch or read it here: http://tinyurl.com/iran-will-be-free
SNIP:
JUAN GONZALEZ: "Let me ask you about the—obviously the big question of all the allegations of fraud. And while there has been no direct proof at this point, there are questions. For instance, Karroubi, in his hometown, got about four-and-a-half million votes in the last election but only 500,000, supposedly, in this election, which would definitely raise questions, especially if you are saying that he had such an energetic and well-organized campaign."
ARANG KESHAVARZIAN: "Absolutely. I mean, some of the election results are problematic. The one you referred to, Karroubi’s, is significant. He won four-and-a-half million votes in four years ago, and now, as he himself put it, he ended up fifth out of a list of four candidates. He had fewer votes than the spoiled ballots, which seems quite odd. And in his hometown, he was, in fact, defeated. So there were a number of—the results exposed the irregularities.
But I want to stress that, for many Iranians, it’s not simply about whether—who won and who lost this debate, but it’s about the basic procedures and laws related to the election that were violated. So, let me give you a couple examples to illustrate that. Before the election, people pointed to the fact that there were, if I’m not mistaken, about 14,000 mobile polling booths. These are polling booths that were designed to move around different areas. And people wondered why so many mobile polling booths were needed. Obviously, this makes it difficult for election monitors to follow them to observe who exactly is voting. So that was a suspicious kind of issue. A second fact, issue, that people discussed before the election was that a large number of ballots, an extra number of ballots, were printed, more than that was necessary. People wondered why so many ballots were printed.
On the night of the election, Friday, Friday evening, two events really came to the fore. One was Mousavi’s election headquarters, and one of his main election headquarters was ransacked. And then, secondly, typically in Iran the election results take quite a while to be calculated, tabulated and so forth. But the results came out extremely quickly. This shocked many Iranians that I talked to on—for instance, on Saturday morning, that how quickly these results were tallied. I even talked to a couple people who told me they voted for Ahmadinejad, for instance, who also wondered, that they, you know, questioned the actual procedures that were followed. And finally, maybe the most important part, is that the representatives of Karroubi and Mousavi were not allowed in the room that actually tabulated these final results. They were kicked out of the room."
AMY GOODMAN: "And the comments of people like Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett, their piece called “Ahmadinejad Won. Get Over It.” And they’re saying, “Without any evidence, many US politicians and ‘Iran experts’ have dismissed…Ahmadinejad’s reelection [on] Friday. […] They ignore the fact that [his] 62.6 percent of the vote in this year’s election is essentially the same as” the one he received in 2005, when he “trounced” Rafsanjani. “The shock of the ‘Iran experts’ over [the] results is entirely self-generated, based on their preferred assumptions and wishful thinking.”"
ARANG KESHAVARZIAN: "Yeah, I’m slightly—I’m familiar with this article. I find it based on some very problematic assumptions—one, that nothing has changed in Iran over the last four years. So, just because in 2005 these election results were similar, this is, I think a very problematic assumption. What I was trying to point out earlier is this election campaign was quite unique. For the first time, both, not only the incumbent, but also the opposition candidates, demonstrated a willingness and ability to mobilize support across various social lines, cleavages, class lines, and so forth."
Find the rest at Democracy Now. Though, I'm sure you're all going to now say that Amy has either been added to the CIA payroll, that she is now part of the western media establishment aimed at the destabilzation of Iran, or that Juan is now working for the Shah. Such tired arguments to prove something that you know nothing about.
- ttfn
Amy reports it all: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/17/protests_continue_in_iran_government_cracks
I don't know that anonymous will get that many Iranians from any class. Depends on whether it catches on. Anonymous has been a bit niched into the whole Scientology thing, which I think is off-putting to some people. Still, Farsi keyboards can write in farsi on a lot of php-based platforms, though, so if they do, then it becomes a farsi community. Best beef up on some proxy software first, though.
It's not incredibly high number, but English is taught in schools in Iran, though, and the rate of English speakers there is much higher than second-language speakers in U.S. schools.
Obviously the audience of such websites is not the people of Iran.
Is English their first language?
What percentage of Iranians inside of Iran speak English, specifically amongst their poor? From travel guides I have read it indicated the number of English speakers inside Iran is few and far between and a knowledge of Farsi is suggested.
Those that do speak English tend to be from the upper classes.
The Anonymous crowd wades in. Not exactly the anonymity of 4chan, but should make for interesting following.
Even if a ballot is silenced, the voice behind it cannot be.
http://iran.whyweprotest.net