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WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney's defense Thursday of the Bush administration's policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney speaks Thursday at the American Enterprise Institute. (McClatchy News photo) In his address to the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative policy organization in Washington, Cheney said that the techniques the Bush administration approved, including waterboarding - simulated drowning that's considered a form of torture - forced nakedness and sleep deprivation, were "legal" and produced information that "prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people."
He quoted the Director of National Intelligence, Adm. Dennis Blair, as saying that the information gave U.S. officials a "deeper understanding of the al Qaida organization that was attacking this country."
In a statement April 21, however, Blair said the information "was valuable in some instances" but that "there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means. The bottom line is that these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."
A top-secret 2004 CIA inspector general's investigation found no conclusive proof that information gained from aggressive interrogations helped thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to one of four top-secret Bush-era memos that the Justice Department released last month.
FBI Director Robert Mueller told Vanity Fair magazine in December that he didn't think that the techniques disrupted any attacks.
_ Cheney said that President Barack Obama's decision to release the four top-secret Bush administration memos on the interrogation techniques was "flatly contrary" to U.S. national security, and would help al Qaida train terrorists in how to resist U.S. interrogations.
However, Blair, who oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, said in his statement that he recommended the release of the memos, "strongly supported" Obama's decision to prohibit using the controversial methods and that "we do not need these techniques to keep America safe."
_ Cheney said that the Bush administration "moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and their sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks."
The former vice president didn't point out that Osama bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al Zawahri, remain at large nearly eight years after 9-11 and that the Bush administration began diverting U.S. forces, intelligence assets, time and money to planning an invasion of Iraq before it finished the war in Afghanistan against al Qaida and the Taliban.
There are now 49,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan fighting to contain the bloodiest surge in Taliban violence since the 2001 U.S.-led intervention, and Islamic extremists also have launched their most concerted attack yet on neighboring, nuclear-armed Pakistan.
_ Cheney denied that there was any connection between the Bush administration's interrogation policies and the abuse of detainee at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, which he blamed on "a few sadistic guards . . . in violation of American law, military regulations and simple decency."
However, a bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee report in December traced the abuses at Abu Ghraib to the approval of the techniques by senior Bush administration officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
"The abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of 'a few bad apples' acting on their own," said the report issued by Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John McCain, R-Ariz. "The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality and authorized their use against detainees."
_ Cheney said that "only detainees of the highest intelligence value" were subjected to the harsh interrogation techniques, and he cited Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the 9-11 attacks.
He didn't mention Abu Zubaydah, the first senior al Qaida operative to be captured after 9-11. Former FBI special agent Ali Soufan told a Senate subcommittee last week that his interrogation of Zubaydah using traditional methods elicited crucial information, including Mohammed's alleged role in 9-11.
The decision to use the harsh interrogation methods "was one of the worst and most harmful decisions made in our efforts against al Qaida," Soufan said. Former State Department official Philip Zelikow, who in 2005 was then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's point man in an internal fight to overhaul the Bush administration's detention policies, joined Soufan in his criticism.
_ Cheney said that "the key to any strategy is accurate intelligence," but the Bush administration ignored warnings from experts in the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Department of Energy and other agencies, and used false or exaggerated intelligence supplied by Iraqi exile groups and others to help make its case for the 2003 invasion.
Cheney made no mention of al Qaida operative Ali Mohamed al Fakheri, who's known as Ibn Sheikh al Libi, whom the Bush administration secretly turned over to Egypt for interrogation in January 2002. While allegedly being tortured by Egyptian authorities, Libi provided false information about Iraq's links with al Qaida, which the Bush administration used despite doubts expressed by the DIA.
A state-run Libyan newspaper said Libi committed suicide recently in a Libyan jail.
_ Cheney accused Obama of "the selective release" of documents on Bush administration detainee policies, charging that Obama withheld records that Cheney claimed prove that information gained from the harsh interrogation methods prevented terrorist attacks.
"I've formally asked that (the information) be declassified so the American people can see the intelligence we obtained," Cheney said. "Last week, that request was formally rejected."
However, the decision to withhold the documents was announced by the CIA, which said that it was obliged to do so by a 2003 executive order issued by former President George W. Bush prohibiting the release of materials that are the subject of lawsuits.
_ Cheney said that only "ruthless enemies of this country" were detained by U.S. operatives overseas and taken to secret U.S. prisons.
A 2008 McClatchy investigation, however, found that the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees captured in 2001 and 2002 in Afghanistan and Pakistan were innocent citizens or low-level fighters of little intelligence value who were turned over to American officials for money or because of personal or political rivalries.
In addition, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Oct. 5, 2005, that the Bush administration had admitted to her that it had mistakenly abducted a German citizen, Khaled Masri, from Macedonia in January 2004.
Masri reportedly was flown to a secret prison in Afghanistan, where he allegedly was abused while being interrogated. He was released in May 2004 and dumped on a remote road in Albania.
In January 2007, the German government issued arrest warrants for 13 alleged CIA operatives on charges of kidnapping Masri.
_ Cheney slammed Obama's decision to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp and criticized his effort to persuade other countries to accept some of the detainees.
The effort to shut down the facility, however, began during Bush's second term, promoted by Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
"One of the things that would help a lot is, in the discussions that we have with the states of which they (detainees) are nationals, if we could get some of those countries to take them back," Rice said in a Dec. 12, 2007, interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. "So we need help in closing Guantanamo."
_ Cheney said that, in assessing the security environment after 9-11, the Bush team had to take into account "dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists."
Cheney didn't explicitly repeat the contention he made repeatedly in office: that Saddam cooperated with al Qaida, a linkage that U.S. intelligence officials and numerous official inquiries have rebutted repeatedly.
The late Iraqi dictator's association with terrorists vacillated and was mostly aimed at quashing opponents and critics at home and abroad.
The last State Department report on international terrorism to be released before 9-11 said that Saddam's regime "has not attempted an anti-Western terrorist attack since its failed plot to assassinate former President (George H.W.) Bush in 1993 in Kuwait."
A Pentagon study released last year, based on a review of 600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the U.S.-led invasion, concluded that while Saddam supported militant Palestinian groups - the late terrorist Abu Nidal found refuge in Baghdad, at least until Saddam had him killed - the Iraqi security services had no "direct operational link" with al Qaida.

94 Comments so far
Show AllAll during the Bush years they made it up as they went along. Rice, Bush, Cheney, etc lied continuously. It would have been worth a headline if they told the truth.
Cheney continues in that traditon. I wish he would slither back into his coffin.
Joe
As Whoopie said on the view about Glenn Beck, the same applies here......Cheney is a lying sack of dog mess! And that's putting it mildly. On top of that, this coward (with how many deferrments?) shows no respect for the thousands of US soldiers and MILLIONS of Iraqi and Afgans who have died because of the lies that spewed forth from his twisted mouth.
I am not a man who believes in capital punishment, but in Cheney's case, including the entire Bush cabal, I would gladly welcome an exception and be sure to piss on their graves when the deed was accomplished. The misery and human toll these monsters have caused, starting with the false flag of 9/11, is beyond comprehension.
For the citizens of the US to not DEMAND justice, BEGINNING WITH A RE-INVESTIGATION OF 9/11 is unforgivable.
NYC is working on a ballot initiative for the 2010 November election in NYC...PLEASE give them some support.
The lies and deception of 9/11 is NOT DEAD and this country will never be the same until the issue is settled through a thorough, independent and legitimate investigation.
Unfortunately, just as the fabrication of the JFK assassination was accepted and the whole thing passed through history and all the factual evidence was scattered to the winds, so too will 9/11 go. By the time people wake up and realize what fools those living in this era were, its history too will have been scoured clean, and only a belief in what is so obviously the truth will be all that remains.
I'll continue to speak up for the truth of 9/11....fool that I be.
Okay, angryoldman and others who think 9/11 is some kind of a plot other than the plot the U.S. officially, and the MSM, say it was. But I kind of wish you wouldn't connect your feelings about that with the torture of prisoners issue. Concentration of energy and resources on the torture allegations stands a better chance of bringing about real change.
I agree- I hope people concentrate activist energy on the torture issue right now, because there is a window of opportunity.
www.indictbushnow.org
Perhaps through the torture issue we can wind our way back to 9/11. I find it amazing that the whole Bush/bin-Laden/Saudi royal family nexus has been swept under the rug and forgotten about. How many people even remember that Poppy Bush and members of the bin-Laden family were in the same hotel for a Carlyle Group board meeting on Sept. 11, 2001?
How many people remember that the man who shot Reagan was the confused and perhaps brain damaged (or hypnotized?) son of a good friend of George HW Bush, who stood to become president if Reagan died??? Or that GHWB was due to have dinner with the Hinckley family the day after the assassination attempt? Or that the younger Hinckley KNEW where Reagan was going to be, coming out of that building then, and had a loaded gun all ready?
I mean, how many of you have known where a president was going to be, and when, and where to stand to have a gun ready to shoot him? Not an easy task, unless Daddy is friends with the Vice-President and ex head of the CIA...
It's pretty obvious by now, isn't is, that from Prescott Bush financing the Nazis to the doofus who managed to steal 2 elections, that the Bush family is the worst thing to happen to the US in all of history. Burn them all. Just get rid of them, all of them from Babs on down. I want their very DNA wiped out.
newbie May 22nd, 2009 2:58 pm The torture issue...although very important...is being heavily promoted by the MSM for exacyly the opposite reason; to divert the publics attention away from the beginning of this travesty. It will BE ALLOWED to go only so far and never back far enough to create any questions that would counter the offcial story of 9/11. The entities that devise these plots are WAY ahead of the curve.....
Truth is not something you can "do" in exclusive windows, especially when they all look out from the same corrupt house of cards.
Which lie do you prefer to live with? How much do you want to compromise with tyranny and deceit?
I'm all for exposing the truth, at all times - the truth about 9/11 and the truth about Christianity (that it is pure mythology), the truth about our democracy (which is really an oligharchy) because the truth is, if we don't expose all of the truth, the lies will be used to rationalize one another - it is the lie about 9/11, supported by the lies about democracy and religion, the result in things like torture and war.
wilmoor, promoting the more extreme conspiracy theory is vulnerable to accusation that one is merely trying to quell analysis, debate, ideas and actions for the people's benefit. Your position will be better acknowledged, and will actually find a functional place in the resistance, if you portray the issue as a vehicle to promote the value of facts and truth, generally, for the people's benefit. Prove your agenda.
Amen. 911 is the biggest lie in history. It will follow the usual pattern: First we will be ridiculed, then fought angrily, then the real truth will be accepted as obvious. I just hope it happens in time to punish those responsible.
Three buildings turning to dust in mid air - by fire????? Are the majority of the people in this country THAT stupid?
Not necessarily stupid, my friend, but very much hypnotized, de-educated, occupied and indifferent. My friend, Dr. Tvedten, of the 911dvdproject.com, says they are in a state of plausible deniability and that you cannot awaken someone who is pretending to be asleep. Acceptance of 9/11 and other false flags upsets too many illusions in which they live and believe. It's easier and less trouble to stay asleep.
Dickless has the typical case of selective reading/hearing. It's quite common to republicans/conservatives and fundamentalists of all stripes. He hears or reads only that with which his mind/philosophy can agree with. He wasn't fibbing the truth, he was just expressing what he truly believes. We should thank our lucky stars that dickless didn't believe that nukular war would cure global warming.
Nary a word from Bush, but here's Cheney all over the news. What's up with that?
newbie May 22nd, 2009 9:04 am................As powerful as Cheney may be, the Bush family makes him look like Mr. Rogers. You can bet he's doing their bidding and protecting Bush's (even more cowardly) butt. In the meantime, I would bet the shrub is sitting with a group of fiction writers, coniving a plethora of lies and stories to stock the shelves of the Bush Presidential LIEbrary. Imagine what legitimate good that 100 million bucks or so could really do instead of being contributed to the liebrary of this criminal, genocidal maniac!
Because he has enough brains to be afraid and Bush doesn't.
I have faith that he will wind up in a cell. He would stand a better chance if he would shut up and hide.
I'd prefer him at the end of a rope
newbie, Chenny, a private citizen, can get all the air time he wants, how come politicians who represent the majority view, that there be investigations of the Bush crimes, can't get the same time on tv?
The pendulum theory is very interesting and at times true. Bush administration swung far right and the consequences have been dire. Now Obama is going far left or at least is pretending to do so. Here we are the average worker simply trying to get by while Dicks Halliburton and Carlyle group exploit the worlds resources in the name of democracy. I am no upset at Dick and his gang, that what they do, I am upset at the American people for not standing up against injustice. Another terrorist attack is inevitable at this point hopefully we can be prepared to stand united and fight both foreign and domestic terrorism without compromising our integrity as a nation.
9/11 was a false flag....an horrendous lie. PLEASE do some research and do not buy into this "Reichstag fire".
911dvdproject.com...free or small donation DVDs.
ae911truth.org. ...and many others you will find on these sites.
Modern Republicanism at its finest.
Cheney is a liar, and the only people who believe him are fools and other liars. He and his family should have to go through water boarding. In fact, only those who have gone through it should be able to set policy on interrogation techniques. Besides, Cheney is missing the point: I don't care if the worst enemy of the United States gave up all his knowledge under torture, it is wrong, indefensible, and used only by those who don't have a clue. Cheney is not a patriot, he is immoral and a coward and a traitor.
Sioux Rose
George, I agree. And I was thinking about him and "the dirty dozen," and how convenient it would be to offer them a rendition to the nations they so nonchalantly trespassed against. There they can be allowed trials and possible exposure to all those "non-torture" protocols they approved. Hands-on experience is always a great teaching device.
Cheney loves Guantanamo so much, send him down there and put him in a padded cell in solitary confinement so no one ever has to listen to his BS again. The rest of the world would appreciate that as well as our people. He is a festering sore on the US of America.
Cheney and all of the followers of neoconservatives are afraid of spiders, snakes, alligators, wolves and third-world terrorists, though none of the above mentioned ever bothers anyone, unless provoked or cornered. Leave them alone and let them go about their normal routines and everything will be just fine. Cheney et al have big-wide bright yellow streaks down their spineless backs.
That any media would give this criminal and liar the air waves is beyond the pale of decency! This monster and his partners in crime should be in the federal court house indicted with murder, torture, war crimes, and theft! The Bush/Cheney criminal cabal will certainly go down as the most evil of criminals of this era once the truth of their actions become public....some already have and are a good indicator of what's to come....we need full independent investigations starting with 9/11.
Is it surprising that so many lies can be registered in the minds of fools as truth? In a documentary that was part of the recently released movie Valkyrie-the story of the last plot to kill Adolph Hitler, it was noted that even after the unconditional surrender of Germany many German citizens looked at the Valkyrie Conspirators as traitors to Germany. Look at the media, listen to the speeches-nothing has changed. The greedy, oiley fools are still in charge of the asylum.
To Dick
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're
always afraid. You step out
of line, the man come and
take you away.
Why havent they taken you away? Are you hiding in your bunker?
Why does the media not show What a silly little man you are?
Pigs are pigs.
How about that -- a constructive article in the MSM! Should be required reading for everyone.
McClatchy continues its tradition of in depth, quality investigative journalism with this detailed analysis of the holes in Dick Cheney's recent speech before the right wing think tank choir at the American Enterprise Institute. At a time when genuine, broad context news reporting is becoming an increasingly scarce commodity, McClatchy Newspapers deserves recognition for maintaining its standards of excellence.
David Brooks has another NY Times op-ed today which embellishes the torture apologists' talking points theme for framing the recent Obama/Cheney discourse about the utility of Gitmo, preventative detention, and enhanced interrogation techniques in keeping America safe. It's nothing but old news, we're being told. Bush/Cheney stopped torturing people around 2005 courtesy of moderate Republican forces within the GOP inner circle.
According to Brooks (and the DC beltway conventional wisdom he regurgitates), Dick Cheney is simply unwilling to acknowledge that his far right faction lost out in the internal policy debate to the Rice/Hadley/Gates moderates. Since the Bushies quietly and responsibly self-corrected their own mistakes, the citizenry can now sleep peacefully, assured that our wonderful federal bipartisan system of checks and balances works. Certainly, there's no need to investigate anything, or prosecute anybody, who may have been a wee bit overzealous. The (temporary) embrace of torture as official US government policy by the Bush administration, right after the 9/11 attacks, is now simply old, stale news. Time to turn the page and move on. Recognize, however, that Dick Cheney does have a valid, legitimate point of view about torturing people of course, a perspective which provides a fair and honest balance to offset President Obama's naive, civil liberties' extremism.
It never ceases to amaze me how the goal posts and the center of the playing field, which define the range of acceptable, responsible public debate in the mainstream US media, keep moving slowly, inexorably to the right.
Bill from Saginaw
Good comment. But I don't know . . . I get the feeling (maybe I'm reading too much in CD) that the drift is a bit in the direction of actually doing something about the violation of laws against torturing prisoners. Sort of like capital punishment and gay marriage; it takes time, but persistent and intelligent work pays off.
Sioux Rose
BILL: Thoughtful post. As to your final paragraph: Money talks, and might makes right (so long as Mammon & Mars rule). THEY control the discourse! Of course as you pointed out with McClatchy, a few media still honor their intended purposes.
David Brooks, He's the guy with a lifetime job as one of the two PBS commentators (the other one just mumbles a lot), right? So much for your "public" broadcast system. Get Al Jazeera.
cheney's lying again? what else is new.
it is nice that the msm is disputing.
why is this criminal still given airtime?
Notice how this article still plays into Cheneys hand by debating whether or not torture has positive results. Instead it should state loud and clear that that whole line of reasoning doesn't even apply.
Sioux Rose
KANE: It's part of the new mantra of "pragmatism" which is another way of justifying the Machiavellian "ends justifies the means" approach. These slogans get used so often that they end up embedded into the "public psyche" and for too many persons come to replace their OWN moral compass.
Kane & Sioux Rose -
I highly recommend two articles in the April, 2009 New York Review of Books by Mark Danner as the definitive treatment on torture, the legalism that enabled torture to take place, and Dick Cheney's bizarre roll as neo con spokesman-in-exile for the Bush GWOT legacy.
Danner's central point is that it is very, very dangerous for the Obama White House (or, in theory, a conscientious Democratic majority Congress) to ignore Cheney's grandiose, hollow claims about the efficacy of torture that saved "thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of innocent American lives." Sure, a moral line should be drawn in the sand, right where international law has already placed it: torture is barbaric and illegal, so there's really there's nothing further to debate. But Cheney's omnipresent dark spin about how torture has worked to produce "valuable intelligence" - and that Obama's decisions to close Gitmo and ban torture is a risky, self righteous gamble that will supposedly "cause" the next 9/11 domestic terrorist incident to happen - frames future partisan debate in a very ominous, incendiary format that should not be left unchallenged.
Dick Cheney taunts Obama to de-classify and release a super secret CIA report that Cheney insists lists twelve to fourteen separate terrorist attacks that were thwarted due to the use of the Bushies' enhanced interrogation techniques. That bluff should be called. Sure, it will be a self-serving document, authored by the same folks who gave us fairy tales about yellow cake uranium invoices, phantom WMD, and clandestine handshakes between Saddam and Osama. But let us go through, step-by-step, each of these dozen or so post-9/11 terrorist attacks that the Bushies' use of torture supposedly averted.
Were the evil doers' plots real, fantasy, or false flag? Were the jihadi conspirators brought to justice? Was the evidence that enabled homeland security to disrupt the plots in fact the result of waterboarding KSM and/or Zubaydah a hundred times apiece at CIA black sites overseas, or were the wannabe attackers foiled by electronic surveillance, snitch work, or other parallel, more traditional law enforcement efforts that were also taking place, but which had nothing to do with torture or the warehousing of detainees?
Unfortunately, for a large sliver of the center and center right of the American population, Cheney's recurrent boasts that torture keeps the kiddies safe from ticking time bombs has legs. I say debunk that myth in the light of day once and for all, based upon our own spooks' declassified records. Torture doesn't work. But fear mongering does.
If Dick Cheney's framing efforts on Faux News or to AEI are ignored, or are responded to only with appeals to higher moral and Constitutional values, then Humpty Dumpty is just setting himself up for a very big fall when something next goes bump in the night.
Bill from Saginaw
Sioux Rose
BILL: I appreciate your thoughtful analyses. Thank you for sharing this info.
I'm done with Cheney. He made his choices and deserves prosecution. I hope he is jailed.
Why does anyone listen to this SOB continue lying? I have a
quick fix for his BS, as soon as his ugly face appears on
screen, change channels or hit the off button.
Obama and and his chief partner in crime Cheney are playing the American people like a fiddle. Never in recent history has the Democrat vs. Republican theater been performed more masterfully.
Of course, Uncle Tobama's the great actor, but his actions are being beautifully directed by Darth Cheney. I hope PBS is taping it for a later broadcast in the Great Performances series yay.
[2001] was the world in which al-Qaida was seeking nuclear technology and A.Q. Khan was selling nuclear technology on the black market. We had the anthrax attack from an unknown source. We had the training camps in Afghanistan and dictators like Saddam Hussein with known ties to Mideast terrorists. Cheney, 5/21/09
Notice how Cheney revises history and plays it like it is still the truth, even though we now know that these were lies. Listening to Cheney is like listening to a very old recording. He just won't give up in the face of data.
But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half-exposed. You cannot keep just some nuclear-armed terrorists out of the United States; you must keep every nuclear-armed terrorist out of the United States. Cheney, 5/21/09
Note again how Cheney reiterates the conservative boogey-man of "nuclear-armed terrorists", which of course do not exist.
The only nuclear-armed terrorists are the US military.
Dick Cheney's inclusion of the "anthrax attack from an unknown source" in his laundry list of post-9/11 hysteria scenarios merits further reflection.
About the only thing we do know for certain about those 2001 mailings to CBS, NBC, and several top Democratic Congressional figures is that the white powder in the envelopes was unquestionably United States military weaponized anthrax. The FBI chased its tail in circles for half a decade before finally concluding that a mentally unstable technician (now deceased) in a Pentagon biotech lab - certainly acting all alone - had probably done the dirty deed for twisted and obscure reasons of his own.
What is often forgotten about the whole anthrax mania was that the DC offices of every member of the US Senate and House of Representatives were shut down and quarantined off for several weeks for sanitizing - coincidentally, right when measures like the Patriot Act and the AUMF to invade Afghanistan were up for debate and floor vote. And the quarantining and sanitizing of the entire legislative branch of the federal government was carried out by the very same national security bureaucracy biotech geeks whose labs brewed up the panic in the first place.
You're right of course that "nuclear-armed terrorists" are nonexistent, but very convenient, boogeymen. The bigger, real cause for concern are those thousands of nukes stamped Made in USA.
In this historical context, Dick Cheney's reference last week to the 2001 "anthrax attack from an unknown source" is disquieting, to say the least.
Bill from Saginaw
Wow Bill, again beautiful analysis and writing. You're better than 90% of the 'professional' journalists out there. Thanks!
Cheney has 0 credibility, he is a proven LIAR and a man with no moral compass. He should have been forcefully discredited and a total laughingstock by now.
The very fact that he is on television and newspapers, saturating the media, is cause for alarm. Forget the nonsense discourse, what is the meaning behind trotting him out? (rhetorical question)
Four months into the Obama administration and we are already being saturated with the 2012 Obama/Cheney debates.
While we argue the merits of torture, I want to know who lied us into this mess in the first place.
Lying to Congress and the People, is the crime and its not hard to prove!