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A Decade After 9/11: We Are What We Loathe
I arrived in Times Square around 9:30 on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. A large crowd was transfixed by the huge Jumbotron screens. Billows of smoke could be seen on the screens above us, pouring out of the two World Trade towers. Two planes, I was told by people in the crowd, had plowed into the towers. I walked quickly into the New York Times newsroom at 229 W. 43rd St., grabbed a handful of reporter’s notebooks, slipped my NYPD press card, which would let me through police roadblocks, around my neck, and started down the West Side Highway to the World Trade Center. The highway was closed to traffic. I walked through knots of emergency workers, police and firemen. Fire trucks, emergency vehicles, ambulances, police cars and rescue trucks idled on the asphalt.
The south tower went down around 10 a.m. with a guttural roar. Huge rolling gray clouds of noxious smoke, dust, gas, pulverized concrete, gypsum and the grit of human remains enveloped lower Manhattan. The sun was obscured. The north tower collapsed about 30 minutes later. The dust hung like a shroud over Manhattan.
I headed toward the spot where the towers once stood, passing dazed, ashen and speechless groups of police officers and firefighters. I would pull out a notebook to ask questions and no sounds would come out of their mouths. They forlornly shook their heads and warded me away gently with their hands. By the time I arrived at Ground Zero it was a moonscape; whole floors of the towers had collapsed like an accordion. I pulled out pieces of paper from one floor, and a few feet below were papers from 30 floors away. Small bits of human bodies—a foot in a woman’s shoe, a bit of a leg, part of a torso—lay scattered amid the wreckage.
Scores of people, perhaps more than 200, pushed through the smoke and heat to jump to their deaths from windows that had broken or they had smashed. Sometimes they did this alone, sometimes in pairs. But it seems they took turns, one body cascading downward followed by another. The last acts of individuality. They fell for about 10 seconds, many flailing or replicating the motion of swimmers, reaching 150 miles an hour. Their clothes and, in a few cases, their improvised parachutes made from drapes or tablecloths shredded. They smashed into the pavement with unnerving, sickening thuds. Thump. Thump. Thump. Those who witnessed it were particularly shaken by the sounds the bodies made on impact.
The images of the “jumpers” proved too gruesome for the TV networks. Even before the towers collapsed, the falling men and women were censored from live broadcasts. Isolated pictures appeared the next day in papers, including The New York Times, and then were banished. The mass suicide, one of the most pivotal and important elements in the narrative of 9/11, was expunged. It remains expunged from public consciousness.
The “jumpers” did not fit into the myth the nation demanded. The fate of the “jumpers” said something so profound, so disturbing, about our own fate, smallness in the universe and fragility that it had to be banned. The “jumpers” illustrated that there are thresholds of suffering that elicit a willing embrace of death. The “jumpers” reminded us that there will come, to all of us, final moments when the only choice will be, at best, how we will choose to die, not how we are going to live. And we can die before we physically expire.
The shock of 9/11, however, demanded images and stories of resilience, redemption, heroism, courage, self-sacrifice and generosity, not collective suicide in the face of overwhelming hopelessness and despair.
Reporters in moments of crisis become clinicians. They collect data, facts, descriptions, basic information, and carry out interviews as swiftly as possible. We make these facts fit into familiar narratives. We do not create facts but we manipulate them. We make facts conform to our perceptions of ourselves as Americans and human beings. We work within the confines of national myth. We make journalism and history a refuge from memory. The pretense that mass murder and suicide can be transformed into a tribute to the victory of the human spirit was the lie we all told to the public that day and have been telling ever since. We make sense of the present only through the lens of the past, as the French philosopher Maurice Halbwachs pointed out, recognizing that “our conceptions of the past are affected by the mental images we employ to solve present problems, so that collective memory is essentially a reconstruction of the past in the light of the present. … Memory needs continuous feeding from collective sources and is sustained by social and moral props.”
I returned that night to the newsroom hacking from the fumes released by the burning asbestos, jet fuel, lead, mercury, cellulose and construction debris. I sat at my computer, my thin paper mask still hanging from my neck, trying to write and catch my breath. All who had been at the site that day were noticeable in the newsroom because they were struggling for air. Most of us were convulsed by shock and grief.
There would soon, however, be another reaction. Those of us who were close to the epicenters of the 9/11 attacks would primarily grieve and mourn. Those who had some distance would indulge in the growing nationalist cant and calls for blood that would soon triumph over reason and sanity. Nationalism was a disease I knew intimately as a war correspondent. It is anti-thought. It is primarily about self-exaltation. The flip side of nationalism is always racism, the dehumanization of the enemy and all who appear to question the cause. The plague of nationalism began almost immediately. My son, who was 11, asked me what the difference was between cars flying small American flags and cars flying large American flags.
“The people with the really big flags are the really big assholes,” I told him.
The dead in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania were used to sanctify the state’s lust for war. To question the rush to war became to dishonor our martyrs. Those of us who knew that the attacks were rooted in the long night of humiliation and suffering inflicted by Israel on the Palestinians, the imposition of our military bases in the Middle East and in the brutal Arab dictatorships that we funded and supported became apostates. We became defenders of the indefensible. We were apologists, as Christopher Hitchens shouted at me on a stage in Berkeley, “for suicide bombers.”
Because few cared to examine our activities in the Muslim world, the attacks became certified as incomprehensible by the state and its lap dogs, the press. Those who carried out the attacks were branded as rising out of a culture and religion that was at best primitive and probably evil. The Quran—although it forbids suicide as well as the murder of women and children—was painted as a manual for fanaticism and terror. The attackers embodied the titanic clash of civilizations, the cosmic battle under way between good and evil, the forces of light and darkness. Images of the planes crashing into the towers and heroic rescuers emerging from the rubble were played and replayed. We were deluged with painful stories of the survivors and victims. The deaths and falling towers became iconographic. The ceremonies of remembrance were skillfully hijacked by the purveyors of war and hatred. They became vehicles to justify doing to others what had been done to us. And as innocents died here, soon other innocents began to die in the Muslim world. A life for a life. Murder for murder. Death for death. Terror for terror.
What was played out in the weeks after the attacks was the old, familiar battle between force and human imagination, between the crude instruments of violence and the capacity for empathy and understanding. Human imagination lost. Coldblooded reason, which does not speak the language of the imagination, won. We began to speak and think in the empty, mindless nationalist clichés about terror that the state handed to us. We became what we abhorred. The deaths were used to justify pre-emptive war, invasion, Shock and Awe, prolonged occupation, targeted assassinations, torture, offshore penal colonies, gunning down families at checkpoints, massive aerial bombardments, drone attacks, missile strikes and the killing of dozens and soon hundreds and then thousands and later tens of thousands and finally hundreds of thousands of innocent people. We produced piles of corpses in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, and extended the reach of our killing machine to Yemen and Somalia. And by beatifying our dead, by cementing into the national psyche fear and the imperative of permanent war, and by stoking our collective humiliation, the state carried out crimes, atrocities and killings that dwarfed anything carried out against us on 9/11. The best that force can do is impose order. It can never elicit harmony. And force was justified, and is still justified, by the first dead. Ten years later these dead haunt us like Banquo’s ghost.
“It is the first death which infects everyone with the feelings of being threatened,” wrote Elias Canetti. “It is impossible to overrate the part played by the first dead man in the kindling of wars. Rulers who want to unleash war know very well that they must procure or invent a first victim. It needs not be anyone of particular importance, and can even be someone quite unknown. Nothing matters except his death; and it must be believed that the enemy is responsible for this. Every possible cause of his death is suppressed except one: his membership of the group to which one belongs oneself.”
We were unable to accept the reality of this anonymous slaughter. We were unable because it exposed the awful truth that we live in a morally neutral universe where human life, including our life, can be snuffed out in senseless and random violence. It showed us that there is no protection, not from God, fate, luck, omens or the state.
We have still not woken up to whom we have become, to the fatal erosion of domestic and international law and the senseless waste of lives, resources and trillions of dollars to wage wars that ultimately we can never win. We do not see that our own faces have become as contorted as the faces of the demented hijackers who seized the three commercial jetliners a decade ago. We do not grasp that Osama bin Laden’s twisted vision of a world of indiscriminate violence and terror has triumphed. The attacks turned us into monsters, grotesque ghouls, sadists and killers who drop bombs on village children and waterboard those we kidnap, strip of their rights and hold for years without due process. We acted before we were able to think. And it is the satanic lust of violence that has us locked in its grip.
As Wordsworth wrote:
Action is transitory—a step, a blow,
The motion of a muscle—this way or that—
’Tis done; and in the after-vacancy
We wonder at ourselves like men betrayed:
Suffering is permanent, obscure and dark,
And has the nature of infinity.
We could have gone another route. We could have built on the profound sympathy and empathy that swept through the world following the attacks. The revulsion over the crimes that took place 10 years ago, including in the Muslim world, where I was working in the weeks and months after 9/11, was nearly universal. The attacks, if we had turned them over to intelligence agencies and diplomats, might have opened possibilities not of war and death but ultimately reconciliation and communication, of redressing the wrongs that we commit in the Middle East and that are committed by Israel with our blessing. It was a moment we squandered. Our brutality and triumphalism, the byproducts of nationalism and our infantile pride, revived the jihadist movement. We became the radical Islamist movement’s most effective recruiting tool. We descended to its barbarity. We became terrorists too. The sad legacy of 9/11 is that the assholes, on each side, won.


128 Comments so far
Show AllYes, never forget all the little sphincters.
The cries for blood was sickening.
This was/is a profoundly accurate depiction of the returns corporate-statism/state-corporatism can manifest. The ghoulish feeding frenzy of for-profit war.
Pitch-perfect summation of the terminal, globe-spanning rightwing bowel cancer that grew out of September 11, 2001.
Chris, You get awfully close to telling the truth here.
I have one slight disagreement. You write, "The attacks were rooted in the long night of humiliation and suffering inflicted by Israel on the Palestinians, the imposition of our military bases in the Middle East and in the brutal Arab dictatorships." This is the plausible motive. I bought this story too, until I realized that the government was lying to us about how the Twin Towers collapsed. Look at the evidence: ae911truth.org
I think that you are closest to the truth with this quote by Elias Canetti: “Rulers who want to unleash war know very well that they must procure or invent a first victim.... Nothing matters except his death; and it must be believed that the enemy is responsible for this. Every possible cause of his death is suppressed except one: his membership of the group to which one belongs oneself.”
Thank-you for writing a piece that hits so close to the truth. Thank-you for not shying away from the gore of the destruction. At some point we will need to talk honestly about how those bodies in the Towers were dismembered and pulverized as they fell to earth along with the Towers. (For anyone interested, view this: http://911speakout.org/?page_id=8 )
To correct the murderous wave of nationalism, we have to correct the narrative. The way to peace is back through 9/11.
I concur, peace808. Thanks for expressing it so well.
I also concur.
If this does not come about, there is no hope of resurrecting the rule of law in the USA.
If the USA continues without the rule of law, the country's fate is identical to that of the jumpers from the WTC. We may not be going at 150 mph, but our "velocity" is just as deadly.
Spot on, peace808.
Yes, I thought all the "evidence" they brought up to "prove" bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 was awfully convenient. An intact videotape in the middle of a distant mountain village among people most of whom couldn't afford a VCR? And we were supposed to trust the interpreter even though most of us don't speak Arabic. And in an age that produced the Forrest Gump movie with Tom Hanks 'shopped (or whatever the video equivalent) into several historical scenes that predated his adulthood. It's entirely possible it WAS bin Laden, of course, that he at least masterminded the attack. But it's not an absolutely done deal as far as I'm concerned.
They're asking me to trust that everything the media and the government say is true, even though men in that government stood to profit from us attacking two countries that had never attacked us. Riiight. Kinda like we were supposed to trust the Supreme Court in Bush vs. Gore even though five of the justices stood to benefit if Bush won. The same five, I might add, who ruled for the majority.
This is where I tend to agree with the libertarians that big government is bad. Not because government is always bad; not that a big nation wouldn't necessarily have a big government; but we are too big, too unwieldly, to ever be ruled by people we can wholeheartedly trust. By necessity they will almost always be strangers and, thanks to the large population and its correspondingly large tax base, they have ever so much more funding with which to work mischief behind our backs--not like most of us can afford to camp out in D.C. and micromanage them. George W. Bush in a tiny backwater country the size of Connecticut could never have done the worldwide damage that George W. Bush in a country the size of roughly a third of North America has done.
I think it's time we admitted that the nation-state experiment, and the incorporated business experiment along with it, have failed miserably. Back to the drawing board.
Remember as well That North America uses NTSC to record videos wheres PAL used in Afghanistan. In other words they not compatible. So not only did a tape have to be found there, but the player to watch it on.
I find the whole scenario of troops coming across this Village and deciding to see what the Videos contained as rather odd. Is that SOP...raid a home and watch the videos just in case there confessions on them?
There are converters for PAL to NTSC anywhere from $20 to $50. The universal converters are more expensive from what I hear. I used to experiment with video recording from PC but never understood why PAL ended up with better resolution than NTSC. There's also SECAM that's used in parts of Africa and Asia. Digitized video was not supposed to undergo various divisions of formats but I assume that it was done on DVDs to keep the profits rolling more than combating piracy.
I lived in the Middle East and NTSC format was readily available - there are people from all over the world working in the Gulf and they like to, yknow, watch movies they can understand.
Any other "clues" for us to puzzle out, Encyclopedia Brown?
"Yes, I thought all the "evidence" they brought up to "prove" bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 was awfully convenient. An intact videotape in the middle of a distant mountain village among people most of whom couldn't afford a VCR?"
A man with 250 million dollars, traveled with a dialysis machine from Sharper Image, and you can't believe he had video equipment.
None so blind I guess....
Read this
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/02/the-911-conspiracists-vindicated-after-all-these-years/
and hopefully see how all the time and effort effort wasted on "the government did it plot" is political ineptitude of the highest order.
The truth America needs to know is the inherent incompetence of the Right and the structures of so-called security states along with the true nature of a poisonous foreign policy that only serves the short term aspirations of parasitic plutocrats.
MR, the Right is NOT incompetent. They know what they're doing. Did you expect them to deliver a smaller government that they emptily promised? Don't you feel like you're being ripped off the more obvious it gets that politicians and business goons at the top are playing insider chess games against us all here in the US and all over the planet with our hard earned money we pay in taxes that should be going towards peaceful and constructive programs, projects, and jobs? Think about it.
So, you want to assign credibility to a guy that believes climate change is a hoax?
Cockburn is unfortunately not alone in his rejection of many science based analyses, which seems to affect a large portion of the left. He refuses to acknowledge the scientific evidence that supports, overwhelmingly I might add, the controlled demolition hypothesis.
Cockburn deals in flowery language in a structure of relentless ad hominems. The sad fact is, is that the left has very little understanding of black ops and the nature of state terrorism. Studying and understanding Operation Gladio is key to understanding the context of 911.
peace808:
Hedges also writes: "Because few cared to examine our activities in the Muslim world, the attacks became certified as incomprehensible by the state and its lap dogs, the press. Those who carried out the attacks were branded as rising out of a culture and religion that was at best primitive and probably evil."
The theme that the 9/11 attacks are blowback from American imperialism is central to Hedges' argument. This theme is significantly at odds with narratives holding someone else besides al-Qaeda terrorists primarily responsible for the events of 9/11. This is not a "slight" disagreement.
Your response illustrates, once again, how truthers tend to close off all reasonable discussion, any possibility of learning from history. Over the past week I've seen Noam Chomsky, David Sirota, Patrick Cockburn, and now Chris Hedges taken to task by CD commenters for buying into the Official Conspiracy Theory.
"I bought this story too," you say, "until I realized that the government was lying to us." Do you really think Hedges has a chance of overcoming his naivete and attaining your level of wisdom?
Hi Aleph Null,
re: The theme that the 9/11 attacks are blowback from American imperialism is central to Hedges' argument. This theme is significantly at odds with narratives holding someone else besides al-Qaeda terrorists primarily responsible for the events of 9/11. This is not a "slight" disagreement.
I don't see there being that much at odds, especially when you consider the whole thought process of those who perpetrated the events of 9-11, *wanted those events to appear to be 'blowback'*. Blowback was a the perfect red-herring. It doubly serves this purpose when the Bush administration attempted to dismiss 'blowback' as being a valid motive. 'Not connecting the dots' was another of their intentional red-herrings. Their dismissals of these 'more valid' assumptions were just more camouflage... feints within feints... By denying the obvious implications, you more deeply bury the less obvious, but far more important implications.
re: "Your response illustrates, once again, how truthers tend to close off all reasonable discussion, any possibility of learning from history. Over the past week I've seen Noam Chomsky, David Sirota, Patrick Cockburn, and now Chris Hedges taken to task by CD commenters for buying into the Official Conspiracy Theory."
Huh? And how does this show how 'truthers tend to close off all reasonable discussion?" And is there any chance that in regards to 9-11, 'reasonable discussion' is a means of ensuring only 'reasonable conclusions' are reached? Just because these people you mention are desperate to maintain both their jobs, and their unquestioned opinions as left-wing gatekeepers, doesn't make them either infallible, or free of normal human fears and foibles. The notion that any questioning of the official narratives is 'kooky conspiracy nonsense' has been 'pre-programmed' very powerfully and effectively since 9-11. Even greats like Chomsky and Hedges don't want to ever get the 'stink' of that on them. Too bad that's the price of being honest, and ultimately — *well informed * — since Sept. 2001.
Thanks for this concise rebuttal, Salusa Secundus.
I don't expect that people on different sides of this contentious topic will ever agree to disagree, much less move towards consensus.
Lately I've imagined it as a roomful of scriptwriters trying to develop a movie script, and squabbling over conflicting interpretations of plot points and character motivation.
Those who find the "Blowback!" aspect of the geopolitical dynamics in question to be the be-all and end-all obviously resent and reject any "plot complications" that dilute the-- dare I say "purity"?-- of the basic Nineteen Lone Nuts surprise attack scenario.
Broadening the scope to include actors in the Amerikan Imperium and other involved and interested third parties clutters up the script, and in their eyes needlessly undermines and undercuts the supreme importance of the relatively narrow "blowback!" rationale.
They prefer, and insist upon, a script that isn't burdened with material that complicates or contaminates this monolithic theme.
Consciously or not, they impose a rigid and entirely artificial "either-or" construct upon the analysis: either one "reasonably" accepts the vital and overriding truth that 9/11 is all about the blowback, or one irrationally-- stubbornly, stupidly, foolishly-- perforce rejects or "denies" the reality and primacy of blowback in favor of chasing one's tail with half-baked conspiracy fantasies.
This trutherphobic perspective refuses to accommodate the argument that while blowback is indeed real and significant and important and even crucial in the overall scheme of things, as you astutely point out, it doesn't exist in a vacuum-- it's a well-known and understood phenomenon that can be incorporated and manipulated, not to mention simulated, by interested parties for nefarious purposes. It's as good a cover as any.
And as importantly, in and of itself the blowback hypothesis is simply insufficient to overcome or explain away the innumerable problematic elements of the events of 9/11 and the government's response to it-- the nexus of unexplored and unexplained multifarious coincidences, contradictions, conflicts, deceptions, inconsistencies, loose ends, and blatant malfeasance attending the catastrophic events.
That all gets impatiently swept under the rug of "Blowback!"
It seems like such a dramatically coherent and compelling script that true believers can't abide, um, blowback that challenges its seeming elegance and esthetic and dramatic balance.
And I'm noticing more and more that there's a latent authoritarian-follower aspect to trutherphobia; apart from disputing the merits and legitimacy of conflicting analyses, the 'phobes seem as much or more aroused that irreverent "truthers" obstreperously refuse to defer to personal or abstract authority-- icons like Chomsky, or claimed scientific and technical expertise.
"Learning from history" is another bogus appeal to authority, since it's very much in the eye of the beholder. If I'm a "truther", it's because I've indeed learned from history-- the history of the Warren Commission and the Gulf of Tonkin, for starters.
Amy Goodman, and so many others who have shown us a lifetime of courageous work, need to be denounced as "left gatekeepers" in order to buttress the flimsy foundation of trutherism. This should be a clue that standards of evidence have gone out the window among the truther community. This is no more authoritarian than the respect due to scientific geniuses like James Hansen for a consistent record of prescient, distinguished work.
I would not suggest that Goodman's or Hansen's (or Hedges') perspectives need to be blindly accepted on authority. Only that they deserve a careful hearing out, because they make a careful effort to make sense, and always have.
Alex Cockburn (yet another "left gatekeeper") astutely points out that truthers always ask questions, and never offer answers. For instance: How could Dick Cheney's associates escape detection while planting explosives adjacent to occupied offices for weeks?
Among the questions left unanswered by truthers: What are the historical implications of the truther narrative (if you can find one)? That Bush administration manipulation, rather than bipartisan imperialism, motivated the attacks. That we are powerless to oppose an eminently competent cabal of evil geniuses. That 9/11 is such an important occurrence that no progress on any of the pressing issues of our day can be forged without disciplining our minds to lose all intellectual rigor to the point where trutherism makes sense.
Q: What are the historical implications of the truther narrative?
A: Not sure exactly what you mean by that question, because it's vague, but the historical context for 911 is Operation Gladio.
Based on many discussions I have had and comments I have read, liberals have a hard time understanding black ops, and the history of state sponsored terrorism directed against it's own civilian populations.
Danielle Ganser, a swiss scholar, documents the sordid history of GLADIO in his book, NATOs Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe. It is the playbook of 911. NATO/CIA routinely conducted false-flag terror attacks against civilians that were blamed on communist groups in order to prevent them from gaining state power. Here's the book:
http://amzn.to/lU7Ep2
Further, there is nothing astute about Cockburn and 911. He actually ignores evidence, ignores analysis, and focuses on the most absurd ideas proposed over the years, no doubt by disinformation specialists, on the issues of 911. Here is a guy that is so "astute" that he thinks global climate change and anthropogenic global warming is a hoax.
911 skeptics aren't required to answer every question. They are akin to investigators trying to solve a crime. Try asking a detective how this process works. They answer questions as the data becomes available. In the case of respected and credentialed scientists like Dr. Harrit and the 1500+ architects and engineers for 911 truth, this is precisely what they have done.
However, what is clear in the case of Goodman, et al, is that their ideology trumps facts. Their narrative, and false dichotomy, of "structuralism" vs "functionalism" is a tired academic exercise that fails to understand the real world of black ops in relation to imperial conquest, and within the context of psychological warfare operations. "Structuralism" and "functionalism" are not mutually exclusive, they are dialectically related features of the imperial state.
What we are facing is powerful state propaganda system whose acolytes are working overtime to enforce an authoritarian narrative down our throats, without evidence I might add, and then threatens anyone who dissents from that view with ridicule and/or job loss (e.g. the term "conspiracy theorist", "kook", "nut job", "crazy", "troofer", etc).
My hunch is that those on the liberal-left like Goodman fear nothing more than being denounced as "crazy", which means losing their access to anyone that might see her as no longer credible. In other words, she doesn't want to lose her job.
Excellent summary malatesta.
Yet you ignore the essential question, as do all truthers it seems, ignoring that which doesnt fit as a part of the conspiracy.
Once more...How does a group prepare two buildings for demolition when thousands are there every day? I have noted, several times in fact, that to demolish a building with explosives many hundreds of such are necessary, supports must be cut partially through. Further, the buildings in question had a unique design wherein all the support beams were in plain sight.
All you conspiracy folk mean well, well most of you do, I believe. But your rants serve only to label the entire left as wacko. Most of us are not, you guys, well.......
Thanks OS.
The 'either/or' syndrome you bring up is basically, either they keep their day job, or the empire kicks their ass onto the street. I've decided its just that simple sadly. There's a reason we think these people are smart. But not all of it may be the type of 'smart' we would want to believe it is. Losing your job and reputation, and maybe even your life (and I think its going to get that scary soon) isn't worth it considering how jealously the general American public will guard its ignorance and complacency. Mainstream America apparently is still not *able* to process the evidence out there.
My first question to myself (and now to others) is, which of the 'gatekeepers' know they are engaged in a continued subterfuge of 'reasonable opinion', which continue to simply refuse to look at the easily corroborated evidence and remain 'untainted', and which know what's up, but knowing the risks just prod and poke at the public, provoking a hoped-for reaction?
As of yet it seems that only a few 'fools' and the some eagles are willing to rush in and tread these treacherous skies. Mike Gravel, as a featured speaker at the Toronto Commission on 9-11, has been that old eagle who some today will call the former, but who someday will get the positive recognition he deserves for speaking up against the madness.
And that's the thing, someone like a Gravel may come across as less polished, less convincing than a Chomsky, Hedges, Fisk or Cockburn, but I'm no longer impressed with polish, or a 'well-informed' and 'eminently intelligent' presentation (consider the subtle abilities of Hitchens, who was able to sway endless fools with specious arguments about removing Saddam being akin to toppling Big Brother in Iraq).
I want total consistency, total integration of all known facts and ideas, total coherence, no blind spots, no taboo territory, or 'unreasonable inquiries'. To get this, I don't accept one voice, or any one voice except one which, for the present at least, speaks truth I can corroborate. To get this I avoid anything too mainstream, too 'authoritative' on a prima facie level.
Does this mean I dismiss these 'gatekeepers' outright? Of course not. I listen to them and read their articles every day. I still respect Chomsky, though now with a grain of regret, and Goodman I still respect the hell out of. Her job is reporting the news, and she does a damn good job of it (for her part). I don't really worry that much about her opinions. Just like I don't care that she's a heavy smoker, and already is paying for it. It bothers me, but I still respect the hell out of her. I still practically worship Chomsky, and what he's done to keep the dialog honest and substantiated by sanity over the last 4 decades and beyond. I still even read Counterpunch sometimes. Like I said, being informed is about not accepting any authorities as the final word... other than one's own self.
Cheers, OS. The above diatribe was not specifically for you, but the general reader. Your ability to cut through the BS and right to the quick is not in question.
Actually, Aleph Null, there needn't be any contradiction at all between the "inside job" scenario and the "blowback" scenario. Goodness knows there are plenty of Islamic extremists in the world with more than a few justified grievances against the US, Israel, and the West in general. All you need to do is infiltrate and/or trail one such group, provide them logistical help, weapons and whatever else they need and, voilà, you've got your patsies ready and waiting.
The spooks do it all the time. Use your brain, Null--if, with a name like that, you've got one.
Since it's not clear to me if 9/11 was the work of Al Oaeda/Bin Laden or what the 9/11 Truthers suggest, I think it's best to include both as it really doesn't matter so much when it comes to dealing with how America responded.
Pepe Escobar on Al Jazeera:
"In the famous November 1, 2004 video that played a crucial part in assuring the reelection of George W. Bush, Osama bin Laden - or a clone of Osama bin Laden - once again expanded on how the "mujahedeen bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat."
"That's the exact same strategy al-Qaeda has deployed against the US; according to Bin Laden at the time, "all that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the farthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaeda in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note, other than some benefits to their private companies."
"The record since 9/11 shows that's exactly what's happening. The war on terror has totally depleted the US treasury - to the point that the White House and Congress are now immersed in a titanic battle over a $4 trillion debt ceiling."
[Full text: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011711121720939655.html ]
Full text of that November 1, 2004 video: http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html
9/11 Truthers: Check various reports on www.911truth.org/
You're "awfully close" to INSANITY.
I'm sick of science-and-math-illiterate, paranoid, delusional racists who think that Arabs with boxcutters couldn't accomplish anything as simple as flying airplanes into the sides of THREE OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST BUILDINGS "representing the left." (I'll do you one better - in the case of the Pentagon the pilot actually MISSED the building directly, and hit the ground first immediately in front of it, suggesting strongly that this was not an experienced hand at work.)
You only represent idiots. You are our creationists, and quite the albatross around our collective neck.
Taking off in a jet is hard and landing it safely is harder. CRASHING A JET ALREADY FLYING INTO SOMETHING HUGE IS EASY. Here's a clue: IF YOU HAVE IT LINED UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HIT IT.
Many of you 9/11 "truthers" have bought the Pentagon lies that they really are as efficient and successful as they say they are. In point of fact most military equipment does not work as advertised and most military plans are dismal failures. In point of fact our uniformed dunces were outsmarted by a gaggle of fanatics with boxcutters and some fairly understandable grudges.
I have yet to meet a "truther" who displayed an understanding of high school physics and math. You seem to have gathered your physics entirely from "Tom and Jerry" cartoons.
And how do you explain the perfect collapse of WTC 7? If you think "high school physics" will explain it, you live in the wrong physical universe.
And do you think ad hominem attacks on serious people who have researched these matters far more thoroughly than you have will somehow resolve the issue?
You need to take several deep breaths and ask yourself why you're so upset about this.
As for meeting a "truther" with "an understanding of high school physics and math," I suggest you google the videos of David Chandler. Chandler is himself a high-school physics teacher with impeccable pedagogical skills who not only presents spot-on expert analyses of the WTC collapses, but also single-handedly forced NIST to revise their report and admit complete "free-fall speed" for the first 1.8 seconds (if memory serves) of WTC 7's collapse.
Then again, since the cold rationalism of scientific analysis seems to elicit such irrational, emotional responses in you, maybe you shouldn't google David Chandler after all, since his conclusions would only make you upset.
How do you explain what you mean by "perfect collapse"? What is your personal engineering background that leads you to believe anything else should have been expected? Is your degree in Lincoln Logs, Lego or sand castles?
"The conspiracists’ last card is the collapse of WTC building number 7 some hours after the morning attacks. But here again, as with the other two buildings, the explanations offered by the US government’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) are more than adequate. Collapse was caused by the rupturing of the building’s metal framework due to the thermal expansion of its floor beams, which were heated by uncontrolled fires because the water main that supplied the building’s fire suppression system had been cut by the collapse of WTC 1.
The NIST team said that the smallest blast event capable of crippling the critical column would have produced a ‘sound level of 130 to 140 decibels at a distance of half a mile,’ yet no noise this loud was reported by witnesses or recorded on videos. Sound at 130 to 140 decibels is about as loud as humans can tolerate, beyond this power one is really encountering a blast wave, a jump in pressure that delivers sensible force. Examples of loud sounds and their effects include: a jet engine at 100 meters (110-140 dB), hearing damage due to short term exposure, for example front row at a rock concert (120 dB), threshold of pain (130 dB), a rifle being fired at 1 meter (140 dB)."
Do you expect that two of the world's largest buildings would collapse into a massive pile of incredibly hot debris AND NONE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND THEM WOULD SUSTAIN ANY STRUCTURAL DAMAGE?!
How dumb are you? You're making creationists look like Carl Sagan.
I don't give a crap what one high school teacher with mental problems thinks about this, nor anything else.
And I'm upset about this because with all the work that needs to be done on REAL problems dumb shits like you want to divert attention to make-pretend ones that have STUPID plots like network TV spy shows.
Actually, genius, the NIST report needed to phone a friend before explaining WTC 7. This is why WTC 7 isn't even mentioned in the Official 9-11 Commission Report.
As to the meme, did you expect the two tallest buildings in the world to go down and not cause damage, yada, yada,.... I know you can PROVE this scientifically and mathematically because it's obvious you're a physicist. By the way, ignore the fact that no buildings in the history of the world had ever gone down this way.
I usually point out here that you are either a gov't shill or a moron. I don't care anymore how many assholes working for the gov't come on this site. You are just a moron.
I've got two words for you, moron. Molten steel.
Your liberal use of insults while never directly addressing the arguments you're replying to demonstrates the strength of your argument admirably.
Your lucid logic consists of : "the NIST report needed to phone a friend before explaining WTC 7." Huh? And this means?
"WTC 7 isn't even mentioned in the Official 9-11 Commission Report." This report was specifically intended to examine the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks, what was the intelligence, what were the failures in planning, etc. Not a detailed report on what happened on the day of the attacks. As such Building 7 was irrelevant and it is unsurprising it isn't mentioned.
Since so far your post is no more than foaming at the mouth bogosity, I won't bother looking up "molten steel." More nonsense, probably.
Yours in assholeness
..by the by, those towers were never the "tallest buildings in the world". These conspiracy theorists have no respect for reality and thus cannot be expected to debate. A real waste of time and, sadly, a black mark on the entire progressive movement!
Perhaps this is their real motive?
Not all conspiracy theorists are the same so there's no telling what each person's motive is. Regardless, I believe that 9/11 was mostly an insider's job but I'm not a drama king/queen about it and I will take reality into consideration when debating the matter.
actualleftist wrote: "You're making creationists look like Carl Sagan."
Truthers more closely resemble climate denialists than creationists, imho. As with denialists, the most prominent "experts" are non-specialists in the field concerned. Roger Pielke, Jr. is a political scientist, Richard Lindzen is a meteorologist, both a far cry from climatology. David Ray Griffin is a theologian, Niels Harrit a chemist, both a far cry from structural engineering or demolitions.
As with climate denialism, the oracles of the 9/11 truth movement see their role as raising questions, never providing answers. There's never a solid assertion to debate because nothing which can be definitively proven or disproven is ever advanced. Should the apparent implications of one of their questions be effectively refuted, their credibility is not tarnished in the eyes of their acolytes. After all, they were only asking questions.
As with climate denialism, the truther game is infinite whack-a-mole. Just when you think issue A is finally closed, they slip off to issue B, then C. Attend to those irrelevancies, and up pops A again. It never ends. With creationism, denialism or trutherism, we're faced with a religious system geared to make doctrine impregnable, not a rational system for dispassionate discovery.
"Truthers more closely resemble climate denialists than creationists"
You mean like Alexander Cockburn?
"There's never a solid assertion to debate because nothing which can be definitively proven or disproven is ever advanced."
Do you mean like the computer models NIST created in order to fit their pre-determined conclusions? Or, how about NIST ignoring the evidence for free fall acceleration only until they were publicly forced to admit free fall by David Chandler? Or, how about saying that explosives didn't cause the buildings to fall, yet failed to test for explosive residues? Or, how about the fact that they denied the presence of molten metal, even when the USGS confirmed it's presence by acknowledging the iron microspheres.
And on and on it goes in the truly creationist world of NIST and it's supporters.
We might mention the interesting coincidence of building 7 seven containing FBI files and bank records that would be embarrassing and detrimental to many important people. And considering that falling debris would not result in a building collapse completely within it's footprint, as happens in controlled demolition. We might wonder why the full area air force defense was called off for distant practice maneuvers just at the time of the attack. There are several videos that raise these and more questions, that if one has an open mind, provide some reasonable questions. Conclusions are far more difficult, but the plot is thick. Consider the attack on Iraq was planned for before this time, and the destruction of personal rights also planned, and this event was so very convenient to serve those ends. The plans for controlling Afghanistan and a pipeline to carry oil to sea ports has also been planned for decades, but a reason to occupy and control the area was lacking, at least one that could be presented to the people. If we do not ask these questions, for sure the answers will never be known.
The irony is that it is even MORE racist to accept a narrative so easily digested by a crowd of wild-eyed nationalists seeking revenge on a civilian population that had nothing to do with 911.
The idiocy are those that claim leftist credentials and then parrot the right-wing bandwagon of anti-science, as in the case of Alexander Cockburn who denies anthropogenic global warming.
You claim we are science illiterate (I do have a BS degree in a hard science btw), but people like you fail to respond to Dr. Harrit's paper on nano-thermite:
http://bitly.com/giOtDy
Perhaps you should watch what other scientists and engineers are actually saying about 911, instead of yelling your incoherent rants here in this forum:
Experts Speak Out:
http://youtu.be/hZEvA8BCoBw
Thank you...However I believe that attempting refutation is futile, people who manipulate truth in order to justify ridiculous positions cannot possibly be swayed by facts. Facts are only a nuisance for the tastes of any who respect only fantasy.
They believe fact is far too malleable.
A conspiracy of this magnitude could never be kept a secret for ten months much less ten years. All these poor benighted folks do is convince most that they are not worth supporting, and besmirch the entire left. I believe, speaking of conspiracies, that some have exactly that goal in mind.
You lay bare your level of ignorance when you talk about keeping secrets. As I pointed out above, black ops are something the liberal-left, and many others, know very little about.
I suggest you read Danielle Ganser's book, NATOs Secret Armies. It's very easy to keep a secret when there is a gun to your head, or just the threat of a gun. During the GLADIO operations, the soldiers and members of the secret armies knew very well that it wasn't just them who would be killed if they spoke up, but their families. Indeed, those that talked often found themselves dead in their cells.
OMG you jackwagon. In the same breath you support the possibility of keeping secret an action that would have taken hundreds to enact and then, in your complete confusion you recommend a book that tells all about such secrets?
I have seen a building prepared for demolition, have you? Hundreds of charges placed in necesarily exposed positions and support structures cut almost through. All this in buildings occupied and in which thousands passed through several times a day.
You folks are in need of an intellectual enema.
Perhaps you haven't met any such "truthers" but I have and he sent me to www.911truth.org which has reports from people who look pretty up to speed on physics and math. See www.journalof911studies.com/beginners.html
"Two planes, I was told by people in the crowd, had plowed into the towers."
You're right. Chris Hedges tells the truth in this essay. And when he says this, it's obvious he is saying without saying that all those people in the crowd were high on dope and seeing planes fly into buildings.
Extraordinary article.
Manysummits
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I wrote an article in my local paper in the days after 9/11. In it, I wrote how I had a voice in my head that intoned the word "mercy." Over and over I heard it - mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy...
As I wrote this, large and small American flags were going up everywhere. I never flew the flag (and still don't). Not because I'm not an asshole but because it isn't my style.
Fear and anger and pain can make monsters out of seemingly average people. They can also make loving, caring godsends out of the same average people.
We had a chance after 9/11 to go in a different direction, and I wish we had. We didn't and nothing we say will ever change what's past. However, what is really important is what each of us does right now, at this very instance, and how we carry that forward. It's all we have control over and when we think about it, all that really matters.
I get Hedges anger, but there is a time to move beyond anger and into something better.
I actually do show the flag, and wear a flag pin on my cap as well. It is past time for progressives to counter the labels placed upon us by extremists on the right.
Chris Hedges, I can't tell you how much I thank you for this excellent article, another rare gem. There are seldom articles which discuss about the dark connection between the war machine and our lives but yours stands out as a rare gem. For any of you out there, soldier or working directly or indirectly for the MIC and/or Corporate America even against your goodwill because you need to survive, please read this article and pass it onto others to read just as well. No, I am not saying that we should just run away from our guilt. What Chris Hedges says is that our hard work and intelligence can and must be put towards peaceful and constructive purposes and he's right. The vast majority of the American people, thanks to this criminally insane system, are unable to unite survival and goodwill while the politicians and their business goons at the top
1. are free to play insider
2. divide us economically and mentally
3. never get held accountable or at the most a light punishment
Long before 9/11/2001 happened, it was always an insider job. Agelbert and others here have posted links to strong proof to confirm it all. I know that the "anti-truthers" will once again go nuts and call us names for all their vehement opposition to "controlled demolitions" but let me say this. It doesn't matter whether the demolition was controlled or caused by a jumbo jet. What matters is that our insider-esque government has been successful against us and other ordinary people all over the world especially the Afghan and Iraqi people who have had the most to lose out of all of this and that it's high time we the American people
1. pushed back against the same insider style government responsible for keeping cruel dictators in the Arab world
2. pay our Muslim brothers and sisters the reparations they deserve after all the western made devastation they put up with for too long.
"It doesn't matter whether the demolition was controlled or caused by a jumbo jet. What matters is that our insider-esque government has been successful against us and other ordinary people all over the world. . . "
It does matter because we will never be able to push back against the powers that be unless we know what they are and are not capable of doing, unless we have a rational understanding of their purposes, plans and all the rest. Many anti-truthers are disturbed by the truther scenario because it distracts and misdirects needed focus from real dangers facing us. I think this is true.
I haven’t followed the 9/11 conspiracy theory arguments very often, but each time I have, the research I’ve done from credible sources (concerning such matters as the physics of burning fuel, of falling debris, etc.) has shown that the “truther” claims are based on junk science. Today on Youtube I saw a compilation of 9/11 TV footage showing the first tower burning and then the jet flying into the second tower. There must have been 10 to 15 different videos from all different angles that were being shown on the major networks and on local TV stations. One or two were amateur videos taken at the scene. I understand that those who believe in the “controlled explosions” scenario contend that all of these videos were faked. There is no question in my mind that this is nonsense. The realism of the videos, the way each one from its particular angle corroborates all the others, the reactions of the TV commentators, some of whom only saw the explosion erupt from the second tower because from their angle the plane had been invisible to them and so reacted accordingly – the possibility that all this could have been faked is laughably implausible. Think of the scenario. The first tower had exploded into flames and as a result, all live TV cameras were fixed on it. Then 30 minutes later, all of these live feeds showed an explosion in the second tower. Most of the cameras showed that a plane had flown into it. How could an image of a plane flying into the tower have been inserted into a live feed? If at some point a taped video with faked plane had been substituted for the live feed, it would mean that every TV station in NYC had been infiltrated with conspirators. There would have been a considerable risk that a station would be overlooked and not given the faked video. And then there are the amateur videos. How could the plotters possibly have imagined they could gain access to all of these?
People who could believe such stuff are either grinding an ax of some kind or are incapable of assessing evidence. And of course the most fatal objection is the thousands of eyewitnesses. Probably truthers have an explanation of this; whatever it is it’s probably just as silly as the rest of their claims.
"has shown that the “truther” claims are based on junk science."
You clearly haven't been paying any attention, or are illiterate in scientific principles. I've posted a link to a peer reviewed paper above that has stood for 2 years unchallenged, proving the presence of a high incendiary explosive found in the dust. Read it.
You should start by educating yourself on what 1500+ architects, engineers and scientists are saying about the evidence before you continue to flap open your pie hole:
http://youtu.be/hZEvA8BCoBw
No one takes seriously the claim about faked planes, space beams or mini-nukes. Those are disinformation strategies designed to setup a straw man to easily knock down. The testimony of hundreds of witnesses and firefighters tell a completely different story about the presence of explosives. They constitute solid circumstantial evidence in conjunction with the hard research science of Dr. Harrit, et al.
"The testimony of hundreds of witnesses and firefighters tell a completely different story about the presence of explosives".
What about all the eyewitnesses who saw planes hitting the towers and videos of the plane flying into the second tower?
I am scientifically literate and it's because I am that I stopped following this argument some months ago. Because every time I followed up on a conspiracy claim, it turned out to have no validity at all. free fall acceleraton, the temperatures of burning jet fuel and what they can and cannot destroy - all of the issues were utterly uncontroversial and in each case the truther claim was bogus. If there was a shred of uncertainty or doubt about it, it would be one thing. But so far I've never read about a claim that was not incredible.
From Wikipedia:
""Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice (STJ) formed in January 2007 and is "a group of scholars and supporters endeavoring to address the unanswered questions of the September 11, 2001 attack" with a focus on scientific research. The group is composed of more than 900 members,[103] including Richard Gage, Steven E. Jones, Jim Hoffman, David Ray Griffin, Peter Phillips, former Congressman Daniel Hamburg, and Kevin Ryan. Most members support the conspiracy theory that the World Trade Center Towers and the third skyscraper, WTC 7, were destroyed through explosive demolition."
The very fact that these scientists are going into their research with a preconceived theory is problematic.
On the thermitic chips discovery. The provenance of the nanochips is presumably straightforward ie they were found where the researchers said they were found. and the conclusion that they could not be the products of random processes that occured during the towers' destruction. But then in the conclusion of the paper we have this:
"The progressive detonation of so many tons of energetic material would explain the mushrooming explosions that so systematically shattered each Tower from top to bottom, and the incredible thoroughness of the destruction, which left virtually no recognizable building components other than the heavy steelwork and cladding, and no traceable fragment of more than 1000 human bodies."
But videos of the buildings falling show them collapsing from top to bottom. They don't look like a series of explosions happening. They look just like you would expect them to look if what was happening was that the steel columns holding up the floors of the towers, cantilever style, started to melt near the fires caused by the planes flying through. The floors there then fell onto lower floors causing them to fall and the towers collapsed, story by story until the combined debris reached the ground.
The question is, why, if the planes were part of the conspiracy, was it necessary to use explosives as well. Placing them in the towers would have been very difficult to do without detection.
"This destruction of the bodies assured that no exact determination could ever be made regarding who was piloting the jets at impact, and the condition of the people on board."
Surely going to all this trouble just to obliterate the bodies of the pilots is like using a sledge hammer to swat a fly. And didn't "they" know that pieces of these chips would be discovered?
Why do so many trutehrs engage in ad hominem attacks, which is often a sign of a weak argument? Put that in your pie hole and smoke it.
Cathy, I'm not into all these flame war specs on this issue. There's enough of that already. Anyway, thanks for making my point. Try showing some respect and tolerance for who you attack as "truthers". You might learn why politicians make pure suckers out of most of us. Geesh !
"The very fact that these scientists are going into their research with a preconceived theory is problematic."
It's called a hypothesis. Then you provide evidence for that hypothesis. That is how the scientific method works.
"But videos of the buildings falling show them collapsing from top to bottom. They don't look like a series of explosions happening."
No they don't. Building 7 loses it's internal support structure simultaneously, symmetrically, and universally. It collapsed in free fall, as admitted by NIST, which means by definition, 87 columns failing at once. That can't happen by fire, especially when the fires were dozens of floors from the top. In the case of the towers, they look exactly like an explosive event.
As for speculating about why the perps used planes, or their other motivations, it would only be my opinion. I stick to the evidence we have for controlled demolition.