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Blindness Toward War Easy for Americans
To understand the utter absurdity of America’s intervention in the Libyan civil war, I recommend a visit to the Museum of Modern Art in New York to see its new exhibition of German Expressionism. It will be much more instructive than reading the media commentary about the president’s opening of yet another Mideast war.
I’m not merely referring to the surrealism (in the work of the artists Ernst Kirchner, Emil Nolde and Max Beckmann) of Nicolas Sarkozy’s “leading” a coalition of the righteous against the evil Moammar Gadhafi, who not so long ago was the French president’s honored guest in Paris. Nor am I alluding to the stupidity of entering a sectarian battle (the German Expressionists were deeply affected by the overthrow of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the factional fighting that followed in 1918-19) in which the goals and personalities of the opposition leaders are largely unknown; or even to the hypocrisy (the Expressionists were big on pointing out moral hypocrisy) of Barack Obama, once considered the anti-Bush, who now wages his very own “war of choice” without bothering to ask Congress for permission.
No. I’m talking about the growing divide between American illusion and the reality of war. Because we have been largely cut off from images of corpses and carnage since the invasion of Grenada — whether by official censorship or self-censorship by the timid U.S. media — Americans no longer have the capacity to connect military action with the casualties of war. Evidently, they think very little about the consequences of firing millions of bombs, bullets and missiles at distant targets occupied by unknown foreigners. Nowadays, with only 0.5 percent of Americans in the military (compared with 8.6 percent during World War II), we have relatively few witnesses to the butchery of soldiers and civilians who can come home to tell their stories.
I don’t know war up close. Thankfully, I’ve only gotten to hear the accounts of others who suffered through World War II and Vietnam. Even so, the MOMA exhibition grabbed me by the throat, since the German Expressionists, in particular Otto Dix and Max Beckmann, understood war quite well, having endured trench warfare during World War I.
The work of these artists before the war already wasn’t easy on the eye — their graphic style and printing techniques were disorienting, subversive and sometimes hideous — but the movement had sufficient idealism, says the MOMA show’s curator, Starr Figura, to believe “in art’s ability to transform society.” After the war, “Expressionism withered,” writes the historian Peter Jelavich. “As an art and a lifestyle, it was too dependent on an optimistic vitality that could not withstand the combined shocks of wartime and post-revolutionary trauma.”
The MOMA exhibition devotes an entire wall to 50 prints by Dix titled “Der Krieg” (“The War”). These terrifying pictures — the hideously wounded, a skull invaded by worms, monstrously disfigured faces, the dead and the living dead — confront the viewer with the fact that war’s impact stretches far beyond physical damage to buildings and flesh. Dix’s genius is in depicting the destruction of the human spirit that results from decisions made by politicians who never experience the direct effects of war. I applaud Rolling Stone magazine for publishing photos of Afghan civilians murdered by leering American soldiers (also Paris Match for its photo of two Libyan soldiers torn to pieces by NATO bombs), but Dix’s prints surpass photojournalism in their emotional reach.
Nowadays, with wars often waged from on high or from very far away by pilots, sailors and computer programmers who never encounter their victims, it’s easy to be blind. Phony talk about “targeted” and “precision” bombing, “no-fly zones,” “protecting civilians” with air strikes and “limited” war designed to prevent “massacres” (as opposed to the actuality of overthrowing the West’s favorite “reformed” Arab dictator to stabilize Libyan oil exports and boost Sarkozy’s low poll numbers) is intended to hide the horror of war. There’s no such thing as a wholly “just” war and certainly not a “clean” war.
Nevertheless, there is a paradox in Dix’s work and life that might help indifferent Americans empathize with the victims of war. Although Dix (a machine-gunner in the Kaiser’s army) was celebrated as an “anti-war” artist, he remained ambivalent about the organized killing that such statesmen as Obama and George W. Bush prefer to euphemize in slogans like “the war on terror.” In 1961, nearly four decades after “Der Krieg” appeared, Dix said that “the war was a horrible thing, but still something powerful. . . . Under no circumstances could I miss it!” Elsewhere, he said he had wanted to “experience everything very precisely. . . . Hence I am no pacifist. Or perhaps I was a curious person. I had to see everything myself.”
In justifying the attack on Gadhafi’s forces, our president piously declared that “some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different.”
Perhaps without knowing it, Obama has presented a wonderful opportunity to educate the citizenry, and with a patriotic justification to boot. From now on, all Americans should proudly open their eyes to atrocities committed by their armed forces abroad. For a little recent history, they could begin by traveling to Hanoi, Panama, Baghdad, Kabul and Benghazi. They would surely be edified by what they found, and maybe a little wiser.


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Show Allthe author begins "To understand the utter absurdity of America’s intervention in the Libyan civil war, I recommend a visit to the Museum of Modern Art"
whoa right there big boy - obviously this guy is an intellectual snooty from the big apple - most americans need some help with that sentence
first off: define "art" what the hell is that
define: museum - what the hell is that - aint that those things they got in paris
and lastly the guy doesn't even know his history because everyone knows the civil war was between the north and the south
first he starts throwing around his high highfalutin terms and then he gets his history all messed up - typical left wing commie bull
It must suck to be a 2nd grade dropout! What an idiot you are! Art? Hello... Museum? I suppose you're only familiar with small rooms with quarter-moons on the door....
"Medmedude" - does that imply you're in the medical field? Wow... or just "on" meds....
And am I missing the reference to the American Civil War? The author did mention the year "1961"...... is that your reference?!
The article discussed LEARNING about atrocities in war.... but it sounds like that's just "business-as-usual" to you.... Blind fool!
i think you need a few days vacation zan
Zanrak,
Medmedude is being sarcastic.
This piece written by the editor of Harpers could never hope to influence the majority of American who are Fox-fed their news, dumbed down by their USA education and stuffing their faces in front of their TVs.
While it's true, It's liberal elite claptrap.
Ya know, I can be gullible on occasion..... & sarcastic as hell a lot of the time!
Medmeduke does seem to be reasonably obsessed with fascism elsewhere, but his (her?!) "sarcastic" comments on this piece, are quite opaque, non-relative, weakly referential, & inappropriate. Why make fun of war photos?!...
Most posters on CDs are erudite and linguistically capable. Perhaps Medmeduke just needs a little "brush up" on his creative writing skills...
It's sad that someone could consider a thoughtful review of art, in this instance forwarded by the author as a commentary on our culture as it relates to war, as "liberal elite claptrap".
Right wing culture-creep is insidious, and you are obviously oblivious to what extent.
You've become a parrot. A "dumbed down" parrot.
If you're not being either sarcastic or ironic, that is, if you are serious, then you're the dumbest idiot to ever come to this site. Especially since MacArthur doesn't even mention the Civil War.
Dictionary.com describes the use of sarcasm thus:
In sarcasm, ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes. It may be used in an indirect manner, and have the form of irony, as in “What a fine musician you turned out to be!” or it may be used in the form of a direct statement, “You couldn't play one piece correctly if you had two assistants.” The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflection ...[10]
Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironic way, such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humour which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive.-----Sarcasm can frequently be unnoticed in print form, often times requiring the inflection or tone of voice to indicate the quip.-----[citation needed]
Will true Leftists ever unite??????
I'm not sure what "true leftists" are, but I'm sure uniting isn't going to happen any time soon -- all the comments on this site demonstrate that.
Let's see, there's the "Hard Left," which was so disunited during the New Left days of the late 60s and early 70s that there were more factions that anyone could keep track of: Maoists, who went around with copies of the "Little Red Book" and quoted from it all the time, SDS, the Symbionese Liberation Army, etc., etc. Hippies were looked down upon by a lot of the political leftists who considered them (which did include me) stoned out doper dupes who would be to busy tripping out to help a revolution. I don't know who would be considered "Hard Left" today.
Progressives (sometimes aka liberals, or as I think of them "Left Lite") don't conspire like conservatives, right wingers, and Republicans do (are those the same?) do, nor stay "on message." Leftists are all over the place. This gives the right a tactical advantage in political propaganda -- they all support each other no matter how sick and twisted the message is. Their politicians will torture logic to incredible extremes to not argue with any "fellow conservative" who has taken public stance until one goes way too far like Donald Trump who is such a one-issue loudmouth blowhard that most of the rest of the conservatives are starting to distance themselves.
But the "middle of the roaders" may be starting to figure out that the policies the right is pushing amount to cruel and unusual punishment of the public. The left may not have to unite, which is a good thing because that probably would be impossible.
Bush is the ultimate American President;yeah,Bush the Moron.This is the stark unpalatable reality.But Bush , even Bush cannot continue being Bush openly for too long.That's where Obama steps in;that chap is nothing but the continuation of Bush,except that he is,if that were possible, much worse.
As long as the US is governed by the gangsters of Wall Street and the jerks of the military industrial complex,it will have a Bush or and Obama, a.Obushama as President.
"From now on, all Americans should proudly open their eyes to atrocities committed by their armed forces abroad. For a little recent history, they could begin by traveling to Hanoi, Panama, Baghdad, Kabul and Benghazi. They would surely be edified by what they found, and maybe a little wiser."
Two reactions:
1. Corporate media, which is so much a PART of the war machine, will NEVER allow us to see U.S. atrocities. Their continuing profits depend on our wars.
2. Even if most USans did see what war was truly like, I doubt they would ever become "edified" or "wiser". As long as people personally identify with a nation and, hence, its policies, and believe in destructive myths such as "patriotism" and wars leading to any kind of "progress", war's true effects, always murderous, horrific, and destructive, will be lost on them.
Read War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning by Chris Hedges as well as Regarding the Pain of Others by Susan Sontag (her last book).
ED: As per #2, since the media has elected (having learned from the Vietnam War) NOT to show casualties in blatant blood-red color, your hypothesis cannot be tested.
I'd bet that if a lot of churchgoers currently convinced that war is taking place with the surgical precision of a dentist extracting bad teeth were shown pictures of bleeding PREGNANT women, dead babies, and elderly folk... they might experience a shift in consciousness, one leaning towards EMPATHY.
Fact is, Truth is NOT being given a chance to evoke that level of humanity, through opening channels to empathy or compassion. Lies are what's become the American intellectual diet for the vast majority. Empty souls become the result, but it's an engineered Orwellian result. Not the REAL thing.
"In 1961, nearly four decades after 'Der Krieg' appeared, Dix said that 'the war was a horrible thing, but still something powerful. . . . Under no circumstances could I miss it!' Elsewhere, he said he had wanted to 'experience everything very precisely. . . . Hence I am no pacifist. Or perhaps I was a curious person. I had to see everything myself.'"
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In short, war is a force that gave Dix meaning.
We in the U.S. only know war when it comes home, either because of personal experience in the military or a loved one in a transport tube, trust me on this one. That's the way the government and the media want to keep war, remote and disassociated with the day to day lives of the 'average' american, whatever that is. That's why only .5% of the population has direct or indirect contact with the military.
if you come to the big cities you can see homeless disabled vets in the streets begging
I love the German Expressionists. I want to see the exhibit.
Even though it's valid to critique American indifference to the suffering of others, it was probably much the same story in Weimar days, too: Expressionists were none too popular outside their urban enclaves, by many accounts. Art can be a great instructive tool, but not everyone in the population will gravitate towards it.
Americans to a large degree would consider film as an art form. But even there we find a poor representation of war and conflict (quality, not quantity), especially since Americans truly don't know what it is to be under siege or having years of your life interrupted by mayhem on your doorstep (and NO: WWII especially does NOT count!). There are no films to compare to "The Battle of Algiers" or the extraordinary German film from 1959: "The Bridge", from the US.
Since we can see that generations of north Americans have only had distant or attenuated experiences to serve as their primary reference to war and conflict, you can't expect them to 'read' the signs in art or interpretive history. This allows authorities to proceed with their counterproductive missions unimpaired... thus proving that you can even capitalize on indifference.
"as the microcosm of verbal violence and hatred on this site indicates"
You overstate your point until it is ironic.
The vast majority of those who post on this site, if given the power to engage this nation in war, would not.
As for the sorry history of humankind and war. The depredation, hardly was born with the taking of the land by the European settlers. The bastards that worship power and money are a scourge to this planet, born apparently, by this planet.
Perhaps the planet will eventually heal itself, and self righteousness will fade like an annoying open mic poetry slam.
Bellicose, huh.
Your response is little more than, "Whaaa... you're hurting my ears..."
Apparently you are too dense to realize that you have allies here on this forum, and in the United States, that have been working for peace and justice.
Your behavior is the epitome of hypocrisy, and the height of irony, given your chosen attack meme.
You have zero credibility as a self appointed example of civil discourse, as is evidenced by even your very first post on this thread. My response to your attack against this forum contained in that first post, sent you into a rage.
I hope you can find a more peaceful state of being. We all get enraged, but your demeaning, bellicose, hate filled posts, seek to dehumanize an entire population, and you are a racist to boot. That is the type of personality, if buttressed with money and power, that can cause, and has caused so much hell on this planet.
If that is more spaghetti hitting the wall, then I suggest you grovel to the floor and eat it. Your soul needs some nourishment.
Get some counseling.
I have friends of various ethnic background and races ( I abhor the term race to begin with, as we are all part of the human race…so I still sound like a racist eh?)
I have protested war, worked the phones for peace groups, written probably a hundred letters protesting war to my senators and representatives, made hundreds of phone calls to them as well.
You don't know me. You have done nothing but attack me with poison, and all I did was dare to defend those on this forum who I know stand for peace and justice.
You injected your hatred of whites into this thread. Sorry, but that is racism as well.
I took time to fully explain my thinking behind my first response to your initial post, which was an insult and an attack on those of this forum. That sent you into a rage.
I even offered an olive branch, saying that I am confident that you are one who is against war.
You have afforded me not one iota of respect.
Your statement, in this post, that there are "maybe three people on this forum…who are even THINKING about issues of justice" absolutely illustrates that you are a not one with a peaceful heart who tries their best to be fair.
You certainly do grovel, in hate. Time to look into the mirror.
I would say, hands down, your posts have been the most spiteful, hateful, arrogant, and non-peace like, of any correspondence I've had on this forum in the last 3 years I've been posting here.
Again, given your your pretense of civility, makes you a hypocrite of the first order.
From this point on, if you respond to any of my posts, I'll simply respond with one word…
Peace
Hue's post pretty much mirrors my attitude about all things war. Maybe I am not part of the "majority". You are of course entitled to your view. But then so are the rest of us.
I have to agree with you on all points. It's been surprising to me how swiftly verbal violence and intolerance arise when we're simply engaged in debate with people we haven't even met. I have to admit it happens to me far more often than I like. While working against war and struggling toward "peace" I far too often get angry at those I'm discussing the issues with. How can we claim to be people of peace when this is SOP? The rest of your post was excellent as well, but thank you for the reminder that "verbal violence" is violence against others and hardly the way to win them to our side. I needed that reminder. Not so much on this site, as the majority of us tend to agree on most points, but there are other places where my behavior is every bit as hateful and destructive as those bomb dropping boys overseas. Thank you Orchard_Keeper. We'd all do well to reflect on your words
ORCHARD: Under the cloak of defending the higher moral ground, you've sought to use authoritarian tactics to virtually place a quarantine around HUE. I know this little game well, as it's been used on me MANY times.
What's striking is how the Psy-ops premise of "getting along" or demonstrating a lack of argumentatitiveness (i.e. peaceful demeanor) is reinforced, so that those who do NOT buy the official story-lines on anything from the Essence of 911, to the alleged safety of genetically modified food, are cast as dangerous heretics, those whose voices are not to be trusted. ("These people do not want to get along! Arrest them at once!" Is the "Soft Parade" subtext one can hear if they listen to the winds of history blowing.)
Those who TRULY care about freedom or a fair and just society would not seek to target others in the forum. Of course there ARE embeds, those pretenders who post among us, tasked with a variety of role-playing devices and related themes, who ARE to be called out. Trouble is, they've learned how to blend in. Note the keyword: blend.
If one is not angry these days, they are obviously not paying attention. America is pulsing repeated "Howard Beale" moments... the levels of threat are so many and varied that many zone out, or mentally check out to ward off the onslaught. Those BRAVE enough to remain conscious, articulate, and IN the fight for justice deserve to be commended.
The nefarious nature of the Internet favors the camouflage techniques and tactics used by the handful who show up here, EACH quick to assume numerous names in order to reinforce specific memes and the LIE that their numbers are greater than what the evidence (were it exposed) would suggest. Skullduggery, anyone?
orchard_keeper
I don't claim to speak for anyone. It has been my observation, over the years that I have posted here, that for the most part, those who post here are not people who gravitate in any fashion toward acts of war, or justify war. Since I consider myself, a rather keen observer, I chalk that up in my mind as fact.
Enter your opening line…
"Blindness towards war is easy for folks in the US because, as the microcosm of verbal violence and hatred on this site indicates, the US culture is violent and intolerant."
Since you don't identify, any specific examples of "verbal violence and hatred on this site", then by default, the reasonable assumption, is you are speaking in general of the discourse, and persons expressing such "on this very toxic site".
With that reasoned assumption (reflection inclusive) I then read your next passage…"
"You don't like what someone says: Off with his head!"
Enter my perception of irony. You come, and essentially conflate discourse on this site, with what constitutes "violent and intolerant" US culture, and I find that ironic, given that the vast majority of people posting on this site are people of good nature, who fight against those very things. But here you are engaging in a broad smear against our collective dignity (I'm not being arrogant, but becuase of your non-qualified assertions, I can only defend us "folks" on this site).
You write…
"Denial, an empathic wall, greed and a policy of white supremacy justify waging war against anyone who says something that makes you feel uncomfortable, or who has resources you believe should be yours."
Again, you started your post, with a broad critique of "verbal violence and hatred on this site", and then you speak of "you".
Regarding the "understood you". If you don't make a distinction, about who it is you mean by "you", then whatever you have attributed to "you" in prior conveying of ideas, such as in the previous portion of your post, shall be understood as who you mean by "you".
Thus, given your prior assertions, as to who you are speaking to, you are now alluding to those on this site as being persons believing in "white supremacy", and who would "justify waging war against anyone who says something that makes you feel uncomfortable".
And then this…
"You have brought life on the planet to the brink of extinction.
And in only a little more than 200 years."
Ok, now I realize you are speaking again in general of Americans, or white Americans, or people on this site, who to you are a microcosm of all Americans.
So, again, making my best assumption as to who you mean by "you", I perceive someone being at the very least, taking too broad a brush in their judgment of "us" (again, forced by your non-distinction to assume what might constitute "us")
Knowing that planet earth, bore human beings, and that the sorry human history of injustice and violence has been a part of that continuum of human experience, was what I was REFLECTING on, when I wrote…
"As for the sorry history of humankind and war. The depredation, hardly was born with the taking of the land by the European settlers. The bastards that worship power and money are a scourge to this planet, born apparently, by this planet."
In that passage, I acknowledged, what I'm sure you also believe, is that the main problem with human beings, has been worship of power and money, and that worship of possession, and greed born of fear of losing such, has plagued all human beings regardless of race from the beginning of human time.
Pardon if that reflection was "bellicose".
You further write…
"You have brought life on the planet to the brink of extinction."
No one, especially on this "toxic site" would deny, that life on this planet is endangered. Again, given what can be ascertained from your post, as to who constitutes "you", your insinuation is at the very least a murky guilt by association.
Then after "we" who represent "US culture", on this "toxic site", have "brought life on the planet to the brink of extinction", you state that "there won't be any history--just a welcome silence from depradation while the planet heals."
Which brought me to write this…
"Perhaps the planet will eventually heal itself, and self righteousness will fade like an annoying open mic poetry slam."
Have you ever experienced that embarrassment for the pretentious, as can be experienced while being in the audience of an "annoying open mic poetry slam"?
Pretentiousness and self righteousness are akin to each other.
I found your post both, and your response, doubly so.
But one thing I'm confident, that we both agree on, as do the vast majority of Americans who post on this site, no matter what color is their skin…and that is, I'm confident neither one of us wish to wage war.
Please take that as a compliment.
Signed,
hue_whatever_ITS_name
You have indeed shown your true colors.
Y'all must have been asleep since 'Nam when a prime directive emerged for the MIC to be able to engage in a "zero-friendlies-loss" operation. That tree is now bearing fruit. When no American kids are being killed, self-absorbed Americans do not care what their military does.
WTF
I would add that when the corporate media does not show any American kids being killed or maimed or crippled it is because they learned all too well the lessons of the Vietnam conflict and that is to show very little of what is going on in Afghanistan. And since they are loath to do just that that then means that there is even less chance that an American sitting in his or her living room will see those Afghans and Pakistanis who have been the victims of America's 500 lb. bombs and drone missiles.
The motto of the average American seems to be: out of sight, out of mind.
Well said......
I like to paraphrase something Charles Bukowski said about the bitchy shopkeepers on Rodeo Drive:
"The problem with these people is that their cities have never been bombed..."
That about sums up "our" blindness. If the only war you've ever experienced is on television, war looks easy, clean --- even fun! Rebuild your cities after four years of bombing, though, and war probably loses its appeal pretty quickly.
Blindness towards war - we've obviously been watching to many John Wayne movies. I'll bet the families of those who have lost their lives or returned home wounded, physically and mentally, aren't quite so blind. If those who clamour for war really truly knew what war is, perhaps they'd just shut up.
Bring back the draft with no exemptions for anyone or anything and this becomes a non issue in addtion to wiping out a large portion of the deficit almost over night.
The American people at large (with damned few exceptions), whoever they may be, are stupid, with a vicious streak in them. That's why they're so addicted to war and always out for blood. Sad, indeed.
"To understand the utter absurdity of America’s intervention in the Libyan civil war, I recommend a visit to the Museum of Modern Art"
I want to puke. To understand the vile, degrading nature of this piece. Just read the first sentence (above) Two outright lies before the first comma, plus an industrial dose of blatantly elitist escapism to make the point.
That's all anyone needs to know about this post. It falls at the first fence. The reality is that the innocent people fo Misrata are being slaughtered by a madman who, if he gets his way will go on to provoke utter mayhem in the region and beyond.
Art galleries.. ? Grow up and face your moral responsibilities like a man.
"From now on, all Americans should proudly open their eyes to atrocities committed by their armed forces abroad. For a little recent history, they could begin by traveling to Hanoi, Panama, Baghdad, Kabul and Benghazi. They would surely be edified by what they found, and maybe a little wiser." 'Wiser'? Not if they believe your lie that American forces are 'committing atrocities' in Bengazi. When you were there, how many atrocities did you see, and who was guilty of them?
"The reality is that the innocent people fo Misrata are being slaughtered by a madman who, if he gets his way will go on to provoke utter mayhem in the region and beyond."
Innocent people in my experience don't carry on an armed revolution. And as to the utter mayhem that might ensue if Gaddafi remains:
"As despots go, he's not all bad. Under his 1999 Decision No. 111, all Libyans get free healthcare, education, training, rehabilitation, housing assistance, disability and old-age benefits, interest-free state loans, subsidies to study abroad and for couples when they marry, and practically free gasoline. Moreover, Libya's hospitals and private clinics are some of the region's best."
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2011/04/19/what-next-in-libya
When you were last in Libya did you happen to notice any of the social benefits the citizens of Libya received from their government?
Since there hasn't been a draft, nobody cares except the warmongers who want to keep the wars going for their monetary gain.......
The Reichties want war but are not willing to dig into their pockets to pay for that war or wars and detaining so called prisoners in Gitmo.....
Reichties want their tax cuts and so forth, but, don't have a clue as to what it really is all about.....It takes money to run such a operation such as War or Wars and to keep so called Prisoners....
I get the feeling that the Reichties are way out of touch with Reality and the Title of this article speaks volumes to them!!!!!!
They whine about closing Gitmo, phrase: "Not In My Back Yard". They are oblivous to what it is costing this country to keep these people down there Cuba....But hey, it's because they think they are not paying for it.....These wars weren't paid for when George Moron Jr. invaded, his tax cuts weren't paid for, Gitmo still isn't paid for, at least not by this country but borrowed money from China!.....They live on Fear and Scare and that the Boogie Man still lives under their bed......What they don't realize is that the Shoe Bomber, the 20th Hijacker, Un-Bomber and McNickols,(which the last two are from this country), are right now living in a Prison in the Middle of the U.S......I think it is Denver, not sure!
They are manipulating little minions who can't do research to find out who is in prison in this country....Or, they are just that ignorant and just don't want to recognize that these people are in their back yard!
The cost of the 2 Wars....
$1,181,961,900,000.....and Counting!!!
GITMO cost of incarcerating 1 inmate for 1 year $500,000 each.
Are we so scared of terrorist that we cant confine them in 1 of the many super max prisons located around the United States that we need to spend almost $120,000,000 per year to keep 243 men locked up and contained indefinitely until we can decide what to do about them.
With our economy crumbling is this really a good use of tax payer money
Yes 40%
No 60%
Oh btw Reichties, where are the Jobs?????? Where are those WMD's???????????
Kind of makes one miss Vietnam, doesn't it? One war contained to a specific area; lots of TV coverage every day; the draft that made "everybody" equal; a healthy debate/dialogue that was covered by the news every day.