That he and his regime are the major component of "our secret rendition program" says it all about who he and his regime truly are.

Mubarak may not be able to brutalize all who protest, but he doesn't have to. He just has to be merciless enough, kill just enough people in horribly brutal ways that the rest give up. I don't expect the mass protests to work. Peaceful protest to shame a dictatorship into resigning only work if those running it have any sense of shame. This government does not. The model here is not East Germany in 1989, it's Iran last year. Worse, they have billions of $$ of our advanced weaponry to back them up, plus the incentive of tens of billions of $$ in military run enterprises to further enrich themselves. The Mubarak family is said to be secretly worth as much as Bill and Melinda Gates, if not more. Mubarak has said that he intends to die in Egypt. I would take him at his word, and help him achieve that end ASAP.

The only way, the ONLY WAY that this incredibly cruel and corrupt regime goes away is to defeat it militarily. The pro-democracy protest has to evolve into a guerilla movement, with a core group of pro-democracy military veterans and freedom fighters at it's head - a mutiny if you will. They have to have the capability to seize and know how to use the Army and Security force's own weapons against them. It won't take a really large force to bring down the government, but it will take insiders in the military to do it. They need access to larger weapons - tanks and fighter aircraft. Most of all, they need access to knowing where Mubarak and the rest of his criminal cabal are hiding, and how to find and kill them. A relatively small group of mid-level military officers and a dedicated underground resistance can bring this regime down, but that's what it is going to take. Large civilian protests are not going to bring down the Mubarak government. The pro-democracy forces have to seize the momentum to start the guerilla movement, or they will lose the opportunity for another generation, and Egypt will trade one despot for another.

http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2011/02/03/government-document-captured-from-egyptian-thugs

This an alleged document seized off one of the Pro Mubarak forces translated into English detailing how the Police forces are to regain control of Egypt.

To joehillsghost,

Thanks for your insights. Many of the consequences you mention are indeed apt to become realities if the military is not won over. It is called to mind that this was the key element in People Power for the Philippines and the expulsion of Marcos. However, all the more cause for the people to not stand down until Mubarak is out of the country because if they give in to his lies and promises he and the thugs in his regime will hunt them down unmercifully, with thousands gone missing or worse.

Mubarak like Indonesia’s Suharto, Iran’s Shah, the Philippines Marcos, those fellows in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the other ‘stans are/were the U.S.’s kind of ‘partners’ that the U.S. falls head over heals in love with to shower gifts and loving support to as long as they just obediently return such devotion by obedience and devotion to them in return. Such ‘affairs’, like those of the human heart, always seem to end in disaster. Golly, the people of Egypt deserve to be rid of the US ‘guy’ in that made in heaven match. He must go!

"The most pressing human rights concerns that Amnesty International has documented are the use of emergency legislation to arrest and detain people without charge or trial; the widespread use of torture and other ill-treatment; grossly unfair trials of civilians before military and emergency courts; restrictions on the peaceful exercise of the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly; the rise in death sentences; a lack of legal provisions and other measures to protect women from domestic violence; legal and other discrimination against members of religious and ethnic minorities; arrests and prosecutions of people for their actual or alleged sexual orientation; and the maltreatment of refugees, asylum-seekers and migrants, including through the use of excessive, including lethal force.”

LET ME GUESS....ARIZONA! RIGHT?

Extremely important observations. Well done Mr. Rothschild.

The in-country actions of dictators are always OK with the government. In fact, as was seen during the heyday of grabbing up people and whisking them off to some foreign government -- often Egypt -- to be kept out of sight, tortured, and probably killed, they were helpful. Ask Dick Cheyney.

During the "cold" war against Soviet-based Communism Dictators all throughout Central and South America were armed and supported by the U.S. government, as were Marcos in the Philippines, Sukarno (or was it Suharto) in Indonesia, Chiang Kai Shek in Tiawan who the U.S. Government pretended was the legitimate government of all of China for decades (the rest of China was "Red China"). The Shah of Iran was one of the gang too. So were the Greek Generals whom Truman had to save from Communism.

Jeanne Kirkpatrick used to distinguish between "authoritarian" governments, which were tyrannical but not bad for us and "totalitarian" states, which we had to oppose at all costs even if it meant partnering with any cruel dictator so long as they weren't commies.

When the Soviet Union melted down and The International Communist Plot ceased to be a threat, the PTB had all these pet dictatorships to keep arming and catering to. Soon . . . very soon, I suspect, the military component of the Empire will be beyond our paying capacity and will begin to disassemble no matter how things play out in today's middle east. Heads of State the people hate will no longer have the U.S. Government to help out.

I see Glenn Beck and some of the rest of that sort have revived "Communism" and combined it with "Islamofascism" into a new superbug of evil. Hilarious as this is, right wingers are buying into it. Interesting times a-coming.

Just as Egypt provided us with the first great human civilization that inspired both the Greek and Roman civilization and the Enlightenment in Europe, this new energy in an ancient people pouring out of the obelisks and Pyramids will usher in the great new age of Human Reasoning Civilization based on humanism and love of knowledge and free thought, and love of the Earth and Nature,IMHO.

The age of Aquarius is come. Peace, peace and peace to all life. Humanity is awakening to its humanity.

kw

One can feel the anxiousness of the US administration and the European Union to keep the system alive. Get rid of Mubarak, sorry for the chap, he was ok as long as he lasted; but let's make sure, the system which serves us and their money elites so well, remains unscathed. The old king is dead, hail to the new king. Shit, we have forgotten in our Mubarak complacency to have a second guy ready for the case number one runs into a problem. Which he evidently did.

Fortunately we got all the generals, actually all the army officers down to low ranks, in our pocket, so it should not be too complicated to maintain control while giving the Egyptian masses a little break. In the end it is about OUR interests, don't you ever forget it.

Yes,indeed,the people of Egypt will eventually win by their sheer"numbers and courage",as the author of the article has put it so honestly and splendidly.

The days of Husni Mubarak,as President of Egypt,are numbered,inspite of what his thugs are doing against the nobility of the young youths of Egypt,who,the noble young youths have been,from the very start of the revolution on January 25,2011,the conscientious soul of Egypt.

The young youths and their older supporters,in Tahreer Square in Cairo,in Alexandria, in El-Mansourah and other Egyptian cities and towns are the noblest in Egypt and the thugs of Husni Mubarak are the ugliest in the country.

I bet my money on the nobility against thugary,any time!

I'm not so sure the good guys are going to win yet. Mubarak himself may eventually have to leave although stalling has been working for him so far. How long can the Egyptian protesters can stay enclosed in Tahrir Square making demands?. Obviously Big Mub and those who are still enabling him are protected and the protesters aren't allowed anywhere near him.

There is more to a successful revolution than vociferously demonstrating to demand that the head of state leave. Egyptian problems are far greater than the single personage of Mubarak. If he goes without there being changes in the way things are really done, the departure of Mubarak will be only a symbolic victory. If that Vice President torture guy end up in charge, how is that any kind of a victory?

And the longer Big Mub can put off going, the better the odds are that the enthusiasm and numbers of the protesters will diminish as people have to return to some semblance of normal daily life. He may well be able to survive till the elections especially, assuring everyone that he'll leave come then (after getting his and the Empire's business all squared away) since he seems to have the Empire by the short hairs because of the treaties with Israel and all the other backroom diplomatic deals they can't go public with.

This is not to say that Big Mub doesn't deserve to be dragged out of the presidential palace and thrown to the crocodiles in the Nile -- they all do.