Obama's Bad Influence
Now that Europe and the United States are officially reunited, it seems worth asking: is this necessarily a good thing? The Nobel Committee, which awarded the prize specifically for Obama's embrace of "multilateral diplomacy," is evidently convinced that US engagement on the world stage is a triumph for peace and justice. I'm not so sure. After nine months in office, Obama has a clear track record as a global player. Again and again, US negotiators have chosen not to strengthen international laws and protocols but rather to weaken them, often leading other rich countries in a race to the bottom.
Let's start where the stakes are highest: climate change. During the Bush years, European politicians distinguished themselves from the United States by expressing their unshakable commitment to the Kyoto Protocol. So while the United States increased its carbon emissions by 20 percent from 1990 levels, the European Union countries reduced theirs by 2 percent. Not stellar, but clearly a case where the EU's breakup with the United States carried tangible benefits for the planet.
Flash forward to the high-stakes climate negotiations that just wrapped up in Bangkok. The talks were supposed to lead to a deal in Copenhagen this December that significantly strengthens the Kyoto Protocol. Instead, the United States, the EU and the rest of the developed countries formed a unified bloc calling for Kyoto to be scrapped and replaced. Where Kyoto set clear and binding targets for emission reductions, the US plan would have each country decide how much to cut, then submit its plans to international monitoring (with nothing but wishful thinking to ensure that this all keeps the planet's temperature below catastrophic levels). And where Kyoto put the burden of responsibility squarely on the rich countries that created the climate crisis, the new plan treats all countries the same.
These kinds of weak proposals were not altogether surprising coming from the United States. What was shocking was the sudden unity of the rich world around this plan--including many countries that had previously sung the praises of Kyoto. And there were more betrayals: the EU, which had indicated it would spend $19 billion to $35 billion a year to help developing countries adapt to climate change, came to Bangkok with a much lower offer, one more in line with the US pledge of... nothing. Oxfam's Antonio Hill summed up the negotiations like this: "When the starting gun fired, it became a race to the bottom, with rich countries weakening existing commitments under the international framework."
This isn't the first time a much-celebrated return to the negotiating table has resulted in overturned tables, with hard-won international laws and conventions scattered on the floor. The United States played a similar role at the UN conference on racism in Geneva in April. After extracting all sorts of deletions from the negotiating text--no references to Israel or the Palestinians, nothing on slavery reparations, etc.--the Obama administration decided to boycott anyway, pointing to the fact that the new text "re- affirms" the document adopted in 2001 in Durban, South Africa.
It was a flimsy excuse, but there was some kind of logic to it, since the United States had never signed the original 2001 document. What made no sense was the wave of copycat withdrawals from around the rich world. Within forty-eight hours of the US announcement Italy, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Poland had pulled out. Unlike the United States, these governments had all signed the 2001 declaration, so they had no reason to object to a document that reaffirmed it. It didn't matter. As with the climate change negotiations, lining up behind Obama, with his impeccable reputation, was an easy way to avoid burdensome international obligations and look progressive at the same time--a service the United States was never able to provide during the Bush years.
The United States has had a similarly corrupting influence as a new member of the UN Human Rights Council. Its first big test was Judge Richard Goldstone's courageous report on Israel's Gaza onslaught, which found that war crimes had been committed by both the Israeli army and Hamas. Rather than prove its commitment to international law, the United States used its clout to smear the report as "deeply flawed" and to strong-arm the Palestinian Authority into withdrawing a supportive resolution. (The PA, which faced a furious backlash at home for caving in to US pressure, may introduce a new version.)
And then there are the G-20 summits, Obama's highest-profile multilateral engagements. When one was held in London in April, it seemed for a moment that there might be some kind of coordinated attempt to rein in transnational financial speculators and tax dodgers. Sarkozy even pledged to walk out of the summit if it failed to produce serious regulatory commitments. But the Obama administration had no interest in genuine multilateralism, advocating instead for countries to come up with their own plans (or not) and hope for the best--much like its reckless climate-change plan. Sarkozy, needless to say, did not walk anywhere but to the photo session to have his picture taken with Obama.
Of course, Obama has made some good moves on the world stage--not siding with the coup government in Honduras, supporting a UN Women's Agency... But a clear pattern has emerged: in areas where other wealthy nations were teetering between principled action and negligence, US interventions have tilted them toward negligence. If this is the new era of multilateralism, it is no prize.
This column was first published in The Nation (www.thenation.com)
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245 Comments so far
Show AllTo "Shawn Berry"---
As I have posted at another thread at CD, you are not a person. You are a Committee of Trolls.
Stop trivializing. You are exposed. Leave.
Here is what I wrote earlier:
>>Corrections!
Ranjit Kumar posted at 10:44 a.m. today:
"Olemanriver didn't finish high school but he has been a gifted learner on this site."
While I thank you for the compliment, I got my diploma in 1961 and was a National Merit Finalist, was offered scholarships but they weren't enough because my parents had divorced and spent all their spare money fighting court battles over younger children's custody.
I was a college dropout, not a high school dropout. I attended five colleges and universities including Berkeley and CCNY. But IT WAS THE SIXTIES!!! I met Mario Savio during the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and would later work with The Chicago Seven and was heavily into journalism. I knew I was witnessing a revolution in consciousness that transcended formal education, but that didn't mean I eschewed learning (unlike "Shawn Berry," who calls "himself" a "blue collar progressive" and then disparages a college education).
Not having a degree can be a serious impediment financially, and for most of my life it has been. I spent a year living in a storage space and surviving by dumpster diving (the Great Recession of 1982-83). Great books have been written about how fortune changes. I worked for several banks including the Federal Reserve and BofA as well as a couple of really great newspapers as an investigative reporter and for some college textbook publishing houses as a copy editor and proofist. I APPRENTICED into these jobs by reading and practicing and self-discipline, and, yes, desperation and sometimes just plain luck. I was also able to live coast to coast working as an offset printer, again, APPRENTICED.
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As for "Shawn Berry," I have done something of a linguistic analysis of "his" semantics on this thread and others, and I think we have all been truly suckered. I doubt that "Shawn Berry" actually exists as an individual person. I think/suspect/believe that "Shawn Berry" is a COLLECTIVE Agent Provocateur.
"His" technique so far has been to make essentially ridiculous personal attacks that suck in our egos to compel us to defend ourselves against what we usually rightly regard as absurdities. "His" modus is to reduce as much as possible everything to personal attacks (Latin: ad hominum) for the purpose of diverting attention from the serious issues raised by the articles and threads on CD. If you spend some time studying "his" syntax in "his" attacks I believe that you will find as I do that no one person is writing this garbage. "Shawn Berry" is a Committee of Trolls trying to subvert Common Dreams, and I do agree with those who have posted that at least some trolls are PAID to do it. After all, CD consists of nearly 200,000 readers/participants interested in "progressive" causes. In this day and age that is nothing to sneeze at and can represent a threat to some very evil people. "Shawn Berry" is among them. "He" has used virtually every trick in the Book of Sophistry to misrepresent a host of threads by other people at CD, for the purpose of diversion from a study of what ails what passes for "civilization" today. That his primary target has been Sioux Rose should tell us a great deal.
"Blue collar progressive" my ass. "Shawn Berry" is the "personification" of Corporate Personhood. Fascism posing as a human being. Exercising "his" First Amendment "right" to Free Speech. This orchestration of a Corporate Collective even goes so far as to pretend that its human feelings are hurt by attacks like mine. As time goes on we're gonna see more of this crap on the Web.
One final note to the editors of CD. I think you have been judicious in not censoring. Trolling is an evolving issue. At least half the comments on this thread were internecine rivalries thrust upon us by diversionary tactics. Keep publishing Chris Hedges. His is among the few voices of sanity left, and his life-experience credentials are impeccable. I'm a fellow war correspondent. Mine was The War At Home (some may recall the film by that name). There were many times when I lived daily expecting a bullet through the head for what I was writing, back when I had a by-line. And backing from courageous Publishers. Keep up the good work.<<
If you are the Capitalist Collective Conspiracy I think you are, then, indeed, Sioux Rose has it right if she chooses to sue you for slander as she suggested. You have suggested that she lacks the resources to do so.
I have the resources. Let's get it on, slime bag. I allege that you are a conspiracy. Of what I leave to your imagination. You know who you are.
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Excellent analysis. As Sioux pointed out, SB sure spent a LOT of hours here, whether one or many persons.
Precisely on the most pointed articles calling for action against the corporate monster.
If true to form he will return here to make hee-hawing attacks against these final posts.
Very sorry to see such diversionary tactics - whether by a deranged narcissistic egomaniac, or a conspiracy.
Will try to avoid such traps in the future.
Thanks for posting.
lost my tribe wrote:
"'In military state capitalism, military activities__building and operating armed forces and their industrial base__is the primary activity of government.' Seymour Melman, 1991. That's what we're up against. ..."
I remember Melman but cannot recall if he was the one who also emphasized that consumerism is intended to "dominate resource markets." Use up so much stuff that nobody else can get a foothold. In other words, speaking at an economic level, gross consumerism in the United Stats is the concomitant to our Militarism, but last year they changed the equation and told us consumers, "you're on your own, kiddies."
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Sioux Rose---
I know you feel damaged by the slings and arrows thrown at you on this thread, but I did get your latest on my mention of the moon. Seems that some people consider empathy a disease.
In late summer 1957 I was living with a couple on Chicago's South Side just off the main drag. I was about to enter high school. I remember that on that Main Drag there was a storefront that said "READER." Inside, she actually had a real crystal ball (ever tried to actually MAKE a crystal ball, you jerks?). It was a GYPSY reader storefront. Do we now call them Roma? The Reader had a most stunning daughter about my age who was not entirely fluent yet in English. One late summer night we were standing out in front of the storefront with the crystal ball and we both looked up to the sky in overlit Chicago, and there was something moving in the sky. It was Sputnik!
It would be some years before I lost my virginity, but that summer made me realize I really wanted to lose it. Oh, and the mother Reader... she was really attractive, too, but you know those taboos about older women...
Don't let the bastards grind you down. Remain strong. You are an inspiration and a guide.
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AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! That is the silliest story I ever read. Thanks for the laugh. Oh and Sioux Rose brought that on her self. She tried to shoot me down but I wore a bulletproof vest and fought back. You and her couldn't prove anything or stand on your own two feet. Your gang is a trip. Thanks for the laughs. I now return you to your entertaining sobbing. AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
"In military state capitalism, military activities__building and operating armed forces and their industrial base__is the primary activity of government." Seymour Melman, 1991. That's what we're up against. We are in the belly of "military state capitalism" and our ruler has the power militarily to obliterate countries off the face of the earth. Oslo was grateful for the head of the greatest military power on earth not doing "either you're with us or against us" braggadocio. The Declaration of Human Rights has been decimated.
It has come to the point where even Ms Klein has begin to doubt the worthiness of receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.
Wow, a lot of comments on this thread. Shawn, I appreciate your efforts to pressure Congress into fighting for peace not war. Boyd Collins, I appreciate your efforts on trying to remind readers about the need for consistent progressive peace both from within and among others. I agree with both of you that bashing or worshipping Obama only plays into the enemies. Both of you deserve the peace prize.
Thanks but no thanks. Obama got it and won't give it back but I don't give a damn about the prize. Thanks for being courteous like Boyd. At least I can count on a few grownups on this site while the rest act like spoiled brats.
It's funny how most people who claim to be the most "progressive" turn out to be just another set of corporate neocon repugs in progressive drag. On the one hand, they say that dissent is patriotism but when Boyd and I kindly voice our dissent, we're trashed. Henry8 voices his concern about the troops and gets trashed. I disagree with the trasher and tell them I support all lives, both civilian and the troops, and I get misclassified as a neocon even when the idiot calling himself ThomasJefferson acts like another corporate neocon repugs in progressive drag. I get attacked from someone and its associates try to pile on me but I blow down their lying machine like a shotgun busting a helicopter. They tried to lie about me but fell apart like a house of cards as I forced each of them to back up their lies and bullshit which they could never do and still can't. They must be a bunch of Rush Limbaugh clowns dropped into this forum pretending to be third party progressives. I'm as outraged at Obama but at least I still don't give up pressuring Congress and am proud of it. Nobody has to thank me for it. Anyone can try. Why won't they? Don't expect them to answer.
Alabama_john writes:
"Naomi Klein is pure truth and light,..."
If she's that good, what is Jesus?
There's a bunch of tripe on this thread, from poseurs with an agenda. As I wrote earlier, you know who you are.
As for the criticism of Sioux Rose for her writings on astrology I must say that until I encountered her writings on CD threads I was a total skeptic and dismissed astrology outright. I come from families of Empiricists, but as I grow older I begin to grasp connections I had earlier missed and my awe at the enormity of it all increases. Sioux Rose has expanded my consciousness and my sensitivity. Her deconstruction of the Mars myth is also deeply psychological, going to Jungian considerations. She does not need to call upon her so-called "surrogates" at this site, as suggested by a certain attack dog who calls himself a "progressive" (and who has not the slightest concept of the history of this term).
I have a small note posted in my kitchen: "If there were no Moon, would there be life on Earth? Is the Moon a useless artifact?" I wrote that in '02 and was thinking of the role of tides as outlined by Rachel Carson. Thanks to Sioux Rose it has recently occurred to me that without the Moon, greeting us on clear nights in its many forms over the years of our staring into the sky and wondering, we marmosets would have lacked the capacity to bomb it!
Naomi Klein is a great writer, and I have watched and contributed to The Nation on and off for half a century. I suspect that this thread is making many of the near-Elders of the Baby Boomer generation recall November 22, 1963. I know exactly where I was when I heard the news. I suspect that the subtext of Naomi Klein's article is that there is a "revolt of the generals" and the Nobel Committee is subverting yet another assassination.
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Sioux Rose
OLEMAN RIVER: Thank you for a lovely tribute of a sort! One of my best recommendation letters was written by a man interviewing to become the administrator of the Florida Keys Community College. I think he was from the midwest and he was interviewing at more than one place/position. I met him when his wife called me over for a reading, and he told me that he got his sense of each place from what was on television when he checked into his motel room.
In the Florida Panhandle the TV opened to some guy selling used cars with a heavy southern drawl. When he got to the Keys, a Wednesday night as fate would have it, he turned on the TV to see me doing one of the nation's rare regular programs ON astrology. He told me he was mesmerized, drawn into a subject he'd never paid any attention to. Seems MY show had something to do with his choosing the Florida Keys. (Among clients, I have had my share of psychologists and psychiatrists and ph.D professionals who like ALL of us, are searching for answers.)
The "law" of correspondences is pure cosmic poetry, and I appreciate your awe-inspired respect for the moon. She is the planet of memory, and when you think about it, this giant being in the sky that waxes and wanes, what if she operated like our most sophisticated silicon computer-chips? Imagine all that she retains, all that's been recorded "in her sight" down these long and too often bloodied ages. Then, too, there were the lovers, countless thousands, whose only witness to inspired carnal acts was Luna, quiet and silent, in her orbital dance.
I have been dedicated to raising consciousness since I started reading the Tarot at age 16. I was not going to return to this thread, but I'm glad I did. Thank you for a wonderful thought to go to sleep on... sweet dreams to you, too.
Interesting take on the moon SR,
Many Astrophysicists now speculate that life on Earth would have been impossible without the moon to absorb deadly asteroids. In fact without the outer Gaseous planets like Jupiter and Saturn, life here might have been destroyed a long time ago. Comet "Shoemaker-Levy 9" broke up encountering the immense gravity of Jupiter and temporarily blew the Red Spot to pieces, the theory goes. It was the first time we every photographed a body crashing into an atmosphere with the force of many nuclear bombs seriously altering the weather of a planet.
As an aside, I used to live next to a reef at the beach and all the locals knew the time to get sea creatures was a full moon. That's when everything came out to eat each other and mate. What the trolls here don't know is that you and I have had major disagreements on Astrology, being as my background is science. The difference between them and me is that I realize I may be wrong. But the military goose-stepper cannot fathom such an introspective possibility. in his "Planet of the BushApes" mind, destruction and dominance are all he knows.
I'll be glad when we get out of these NeoCon Dark Ages.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
That post makes no sense. Astrology and politics don't mix. Naomi Klein didn't have to go astrological to make a point. Astrology is just making up whimsical predictions that are often wrong. That's why it's all a pile of black magic bs. I'm a proud bucolic blue collared progressive who exercises common sense without the mumbo jumbo astrology bs. I'd rather learn from down to earth realists like Boyd Collins and Henry8 than Sioux Rose any day.
Sioux Rose
Shawn.. you are as bloated as a hot air balloon that's filled with foul air. Give it a rest. You've probably posted 55 comments out of the 233... as if you're THAT important. And if your mind is closed and you think you know all that is necessary, just pass my posts on by and I'll do likewise with yours. The more you share, the more your unabashed ignorance becomes apparent.
Boyd is polite and speaks with intelligence, and Henry the 8 is probably a military troll, but he does offer occasionally sound opinions, short of his knee jerk response to "illegal" aliens, and his pro-militarism, naturally-authoritarian concept of patriotism. You are way behind the curve, and have probably read little, but spout opinions as if the uneducated mind and its random outbursts qualifies as grounds for intelligent debate.
Good night, fool.
Screw you. If I'm a fool then you're a damn bigger one. You don't know me whatsoever and you lie like Bill O'Reilly. I can post what I want to make a point and I'm doing a damn good job knocking you and your associates down for posting foolishly. You're the one with more ignorance and I don't care how many associates you want to have clustering you. I'm proud to stand on my own two feet unlike sore losers like you. Boyd knows I'm polite unlike you and I've had better conversations and communications with him than I would with you or your associates. I read the posts on this site and Henry8 and Boyd Collins are more down to earth and make more sense while you sound like an out of touch corporate neocon repug in progressive drag. It doesn't take useless college education to have common sense. Don't even think of calling me son or boy. I wouldn't have you as my dog if you were the last fart on this planet. HA !
After a long weekend on this thread, I leave it to you purists to quibble amongst yourselves. I rest my case !
CAUTION ---- BABYLON BELOW
"Babylon, land of deepest shadow and deep darkness,
where even light is like darkness."
Naomi Klein is pure truth and light, so why does
CommonDreams.org allow all this confusion and darkness
to be posted below her excellent article?
Surely the owners of CommonDreams.org have excessive
wealth and do their best to protect it.
Commondreams is there to post articles for people to view and comment on. There is a lot of senseless hate talk and name-calling on this thread. I post that neither worshipping nor bashing Obama does any good and immediately I get tons of childish responses and sock puppets clustering around thinking that I'm being defeated. I point out that I value the lives of both the troops and the civilians and I'm called a pentagon troll or a neocon by the same people who imitate their behavior.
Commondreams isn't the problem. The problem is people on this site engaging in campaign mode 24/7/365/4. I'm outraged at Obama too but what can we do about it? Naomi Klein knows that we are used to living in a capitalist system and yet some on this thread violently attack her book on the "Shock Doctrine".
I'm just an ordinary blue collared progressive who doesn't mind debating on this site once in a while. I don't get everyday to read or post here.
Harry Olden has it right:
"100 years is a bloody long time to be left standing in the hallway."
A hundred years of solitude. Magical realism is what's needed here. Condense a century into a minute in the Mind.
Meanwhile, I've read this thread about one and a half times and have come away with certain impressions but choose to avoid condemning certain persons with whose views I take rather extreme exception. Instead, I propose that CD publish a newspaper in tabloid style that can be read while sitting on the toilet. I suspect that most of us do toilet reading. I know I do. I have seriously thought of setting up a computer in front of my toilet. It would be easy for me to do this, but for some reason I think it would be, er, untoward. The tabloid version of course has the advantage of serving should you run out of white paper.
You know who you are.
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Above post is confusion paid for by the rich.
Notice how it states no facts, makes entirely no sense,
attacks none of the issues expressed by Neomi, implies
an attack upon the truth coming from Neomi and accomplishes
nothing but to blind the mind by burning the emotions.
Well said.
I cannot believe the lack of intelligent responses from most of the posters. I bring up what's realistic and practical and get called neocon or troll? I could bash Obama like everyone else but I am mature enough to understand that Obama is part of the system. It is our responsibility to continue to pressure Congress as much as possible. Vote third party if you wish. I have no problem with that but when the election is over, third parties are irrelevant and nowhere to be seen. Have any of you read the recent article by Ralph Nader? He makes his case against Barney Frank with facts instead of hatred. Nader also agrees with me that we must pressure Congress and make them serve us. Giving up and shouting childish hate talk against Obama is not progressive.
Shawn how are you able to consistently misinterpret? hm puzzling "hatred""lack of intelligence" "Nader agrees with me" try reading some of these posts repeatedly and then just maybe, you might learn from these VERY articulate ,aware,erudite posters.
It's a long shot.
I don't see anything "VERY articulate ,aware,erudite" about those posters you defend unless you consider their senseless name-calling and hate talk that. I have met childish third party goers going into campaign mode even after the election was over. The election is over. There is nothing that can be done about the election results. How do you expect Nader to win by sadistically bashing only the Democrats? Nader can do without them. I may be a blue collared progressive but I don't go spewing hate talk and name calling.
I am perplexed by the acrid tone of many CD posts to this article. I believe many of my colleagues misread Klein's piece -
- which, after all, neither approves of 0bama nor his actions, but only qualifies its condemnation,
- which nowhere here suggests compromise.
- which in no way rules out direct action, but if anything seems to suggest it.
I can't say that I feel so confident that the Nobel Committee finds 0's actions "triumph for peace and justice." They may just think they have someone with whom they may negotiate for a slice of the hydrocarbon pie.
The supposed ally states might do better to take a look at how little pie 0bama has left his supposed progressive and moderate base in the US and stay away.
Klein here points out an important point. European elites, not an overwhelmingly progressive group themselves, seem to have to some extent joined forces with American elites in ratcheting up oppression.
I should think that would be worth a note of alarm.
European elite in 1776 created our excessive wealth capitalist Republic dictatorship.
Surely the above two posts totally destroy reality.
"European elites, not an overwhelmingly progressive group themselves, seem to have to some extent joined forces with American elites in ratcheting up oppression."
Astute observation and thank you for the sane post. It's not just the elites teaming up but they are relying on the non-ruling classes to not put them on the defensive.
Has it occurred to anyone else here that it was almost impossible that Obama did not know he was being considered for the Nobel Peace Prize, and that if he did not want it he could have stopped it in advance, rather than the lame argument that he should have rejected it after the fact?
This used to be called Hubris. The corollary is shamelessness.
On the other hand, when all is said and done, "at the end of the day," what freedom-loving American doesn't want a psychopath in the White House?
Meanwhile, to an earlier post, I believe the Swiss are as well-armed individually as we are. They are also actually IN militia per the Second Amendment. As we should be. This would be a deconstruction of our currently centralized military, requiring localized negotiations at a whole new level. Would save billions annually and change the paradigm.
I suspect that the Nobel Committee has delivered to our Constantinople their Trojan Horse, while the metaphor needs a bit of tweaking. Take Israel and Iran, please!
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So if there's general agreement that what we have in America now is fascism-light, that President Barack Obama fronts for the powers that be, that perpetual war + global warming + economic collapse = doomsday, not to mention the fact tht time is running out, shouldn't the conversation be about what the hell we're going to do about it?
Naomi had to really scrape the bottom of the barrel to find ANYTHING that OBOMBA HAS DONE that aligns with his cult supporters. A watered down version of Honduras events ,as usual from Naomi.Not support the coup? Where did you come up with that one? USSA has always been able to get any country in the world to, about turn and stand to attention and sit up straight with exception of Israel.As usual, the Naomi Kleins( who met,flirted with and sychophanted with Herr maestro ALANA GREENSPAN)and the Noam Chomskis who could exert influence and make a difference, emit actionless wishy washy tired rhetoric to sell their books.It's standard with them. no spine.Yep, she toddles off to Gaza and that's it. In her article, she rates the climate stuff as ultra dire (most would concur) which mainstream media hypes non stop and does she mention the real Gaza horrors,equal with dire which the entire country knows very little of? Where's her or Chomski's Gaza book of truth as it relates to CAST LEAD .When are they coming out?
Get over yourself MS Klein!And you too Herr Chomski
Yes.
Duh, Everyone who has not noticed that we in the USA are living in corporate dictatorship ; please go out of the classroom and stand in the hallway.
Shawn go to the hallway
Get lost.
100 years is a bloody long time to be left standing in the hallway
If that is award-winning journalism I can see why. Klein leads already pulverised minds further out into belief land, thus serving the same masters as Obama. NY Times! Of course.
At least Collins sees the game.
The key insight of Naomi Klein's article can be found here: "Within forty-eight hours of the US announcement Italy, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Poland had pulled out. Unlike the United States, these governments had all signed the 2001 declaration, so they had no reason to object to a document that reaffirmed it. It didn't matter. As with the climate change negotiations, lining up behind Obama, with his impeccable reputation, was an easy way to avoid burdensome international obligations and look progressive at the same time--a service the United States was never able to provide during the Bush years."
This is the reason behind Obama's Nobel Peace Prize: It enhances his reputation so that other countries can evade their responsibilities by imitating his example. The purpose of the Obama presidency is to scuttle climate change action, reaffirm neo-colonialism, and re-financialize the bubble economy so that capitalism can put off its inevitable reckoning.
The "duck and parry" strategy of "Obama" is dictated by the class interests that it serves. The purpose of "Obama" is to deflect the growing possibility of mass rebellion against capitalistic domination long enough to ensure that the security apparatus is in place to incarcerate those who with sufficient consciousness to resist.
Why do I put "Obama" in quotes? Because the tendency to personalize this strategy by attributing it to the man Obama serves the alienating purposes of the ruling elite. In fact, what the corporate media refers to as "Obama" or the "Obama administration" is the idealization of a power structure. "Obama" represents a marketing strategy designed to cover a series of moves which the ruling elite is carrying out to protect their interests in energy resources, military power, and financial control. To attribute these moves to the man Barack Obama helps reinforce their strategy by falsely making him its source. Eventually, they will abandon the man Obama and another will be selected to surface their interests, but the resistance must continue to target the principalities and powers that enforce the strategy rather the man who is its transitory incarnation.
"The purpose of "Obama" is to deflect the growing possibility of mass rebellion against capitalistic domination long enough to ensure that the security apparatus is in place to incarcerate those who with sufficient consciousness to resist." –(Boyd R. Collins)
–Correct.
In fact, the transition to a full on police state can be accomplished with less transparency and more opacity under Obama then it ever could have under Bush and Cheney. The ruling elites behind both parties desired a more 'surgical' approach to fascism, where the latter practitioners favored the 'butcher block.' American electoral politics can easily provide both styles, more or less interchangeably, as deemed necessary.
The same end result can be more successfully finessed by a strategy of micro adjustments that fly 'beneath the radar,' at which Obama –under the imprimatur of the 'good' latte sipping Democrat–is more refined. Either way, the trajectory is clear, only the rate and 'style' of oscillation differs. The only thing being oscillated is fascism itself.
Similarly, if Iran is ever attacked it would be swallowed far more readily by an unwitting populace under the Democrat Obama, then it ever could be under Bush. –(Jill Bains)
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.THEY ALREADY HAVE ABANDONED THIS GUY. PRESIDENT IMMANUAL AND HIS CABINET OF CROOKS CALL THE SHOTS.
Boyd, excellent assessment of the ruling class plan to dominate the world.
You are correct about "Obama", he is a "marketing strategy".
That said, I would not release the "man" from responsibility and accountability for what he has done. It may have been the "marketing" that sold people on voting for him but it was also the "man" who conned the people in a very personal way. This is what needs to change.
I did not vote for "Obama", the brand or the person, precisely because I did see the marketing plan and the absence of a voting record in favor of the people. If we continue to vote for the "marketing strategy" or the "man" rather than their accomplishments, the capitalistic domination of the ruling class will succeed.
How do we change the course?
I agree with you sue1403 in the sense that each of us is responsible for our role within the power structure to the extent that we are conscious of the true nature of that role. How far is the man Obama conscious of his role? It is difficult to say. My suspicion is that he is actually a good and conscientious man who has managed to convince himself that what he is doing is for the greater good of this country. As to the complete contradiction between his rhetoric and his actions, he probably does what most of us do if we are confronted with a similar contradiction in our behavior: he rationalizes it by trying to fit it into a narrative in which his rhetoric is made to become sincere. And he, like some of us, is surrounded by those who are very skillful with such narratives.
"How far is the man Obama conscious of his role? It is difficult to say. " –(Boyd R. Collins)
–Nonsense, Boyd. Your conjectures as to Obama's 'motivations 'are at best lazy and at worst specious.
The accurate conclusions of your previous fine and appropriately severe posting is undermined by this callow statement– which sounds more like a recantation than anything else.
The point is long past where speculative conjecture as to Obama's 'personal' as opposed to 'public 'motivations is helpful. They are false distinctions, now more arcane and moot than anything else. –(Jill Bains)
Sorry, Boyd, no excuses for Obama are acceptable. If we continue to let individuals off the hook for being complicit in causing the suffering of others, then we have lost our humanity.
Rationalizing decisions that cause others harm, as Obama has done, and being conscious of that fact, is the definition of a sociopath. This behavior is prevalent in our government and will not change as long as we continue to elect these individuals.
I don't believe for a minute that a man of Obama's intelligence and education and life experience was sucked into "skillful narratives" of others any more than Bush was.
Sioux Rose
BOYD: I usually agree with your postings, but you project too much decency onto Obama. The man is a constitutional scholar, but he can't see fit to roll back the Patriot Act, hold criminals who advocated for torture accountable, or create even a modicum of balance between corporate interests (banks, big insurers, the MIC) and citizens' rights and needs? Sorry. Too many sell-outs to make your optimistic analysis sound. And I have only TOUCHED the surface of these sell-outs. The ONLY person he put into any department who had any progressive ideals at all has already been shoved out. Now the EPA can continue to just rubberstamp anything big business/industry dictates. Every regulatory agency gutted or defanged under the Bush Junta is back in business doing THE SAME, which is NOTHING to improve the lives of citizens.
It's a wonder Nader can still fight THE cause seeing his brave work on the front lines of curbing corporate trespass rolling over him, and us, like a deadly wave with reverberating tsunamis of destructive proportions.
I think we must constantly check our tendency to hate the human being who carries the symbol of our oppression. Obama plays his role, but it is part of a much larger set of power relations, a set in which many of us who read CD also play a role. In order to be effective, we should empty our hearts of all hatred for any human being and concentrate our energy on the system of domination as a whole. This was the way of Gandhi and it is the only effective way I know to fight these powers.
Sioux Rose
"I think we must constantly check our tendency to hate the human being who..."
Give me a f--king break! Hate the human being? Calling the alleged leader of the free world TO TASK for actions he's taken, for continuing the policies of destruction and despair that are courting a most AUSTERE karma for this nation, and you accuse me of "hating the man." What a narrow and juvenile cop-out! I was articulating THREE of the most egregious "policy disorders," all ON the record. My anger and pain and depression about the continuation of RUIN to not only our own nation, but other lands, is a PASSION for justice. If you confuse that with hatred for the man, I'd say you're projecting. And maybe you're trying to confine yourself and YOUR rage to a mr. placate-nice-guy set of polite protocols. It's NOT an appropriate time for polite protocols.
Interesting that a bold thinker like Jill sees it the way I do. Two women, and we women who have awakened to the truck loads of bull shit running Washington through its infusions from Wall ST and the MIC, are the ONES who are yelling the loudest, the ones acting as whistleblowers, the ones trying to change the disatrous direction our nation is on!
It's always been convenient for men to accuse powerful women of being shrill, or that they are expressing HATE when they are instead pointing out the abundant injustice that is being passed off for business as usual in our land! It's like the film NETWORK. If you're not outraged, it's impossible that you'd be taking in what's going on on a visceral level.
This quiet the messenger, especially female messenger who shows emotion... taken a step or two further, lines up with religious fanatics like those of Afghanistan who have women literally living UNDER WRAPS. Their Christian fundamentalist rivals would likely burn women again "as witches" if they could. I've heard them rant on the "700 club" about feminists and witches... they got away with burning over a million women a few centuries ago; and it's likely these same ONES who want another crusade. Nor would I put it past them to sell tickets to see women burned for the SIN of thinking independently, and evidencing passionate convictions in their attempts to wake up the vast majority who either refuse to see, or honor polite protocols when these mean torture and death and ecocide for so many.
I would not extend any Buddhist-style free pass to Obama. It's past the point of not judging the man, FAR too much is at stake, and in EVERY decision, apart from some nifty tap dancing and great rhetoric (every bit of it soaked in "lawyer speak" that operates like a Rorsarch Inkblot test, with each listener/viewer hearing his own version of what the speaker articulated) he has remained on course of the prior DIABOLICAL administration! So do not accuse me of hating the man when I am judging the record, and its continuation of war, extending a larger budget to the military, the continued use of overseas torture bases, etc etc etc. Hatred? Or righteous indignation for the ABUSE of the office, and its continuity of CRIMINAL goings on, many paved by Bush, but where is there the remotest evidence the path has moved in another direction?
My heart carries enormous love... but it is LOVE for humanity, not the bougeois nonsense gives a leader misusing the office a free pass when children are put into agony, their body parts bombed off! Makes me wonder what it is that YOU refer to as love, sir!
I was not accusing you or anyone of hating anyone. I was responding to the thread in which I was accused of being callow because I described Obama as probably a good and conscientious man, but one whose role was to carry out the interests of his class. I thought it was important to point out this distinction between the human being and his or her role in the system of oppression so that we could avoid condemning people because of their role. Just as I don't attribute bad motives to Obama, I don't accuse you or any other posters of bad motives. I was just defending and clarifying my point.
Sioux Rose
BOYD: I really appreciate your politeness, but with all due respect you are giving Obama a free pass or otherwise seeing him through rose-colored classes. This is one instance where I hope I am wrong, but I think the time is more than ripe for the ship of state to alter direction. It has not. Anyone at the wheel who fails to act (like the captain of the Titanic who was drunk, wasn't he? Or was he too drunk on hubris to recognize the genuine threat to a ship considered unsinkable?) carries an ENORMOUS responsibility for the fate of those on-board, those who have put their faith, arguably their very lives, in his hands. If you can't steer away from the abyss (or iceberg), then by all needs, hand the wheel to one that can; or blow every horn and whistle to alert passengers to the THREAT(s) that they face!
Thanks for your appreciation, Sioux Rose. I have been highly critical of Barack Obama ever since he began his campaign and my fears as to whom he really serves have been abundantly realized. However, my point is that I think his power is much more limited than we are encouraged to believe by the corporate media. That media tends to personalize what is actually the result of systemic power relations. They constantly seek to direct our attention to the personality of the President as if that were the decisive factor. This media strategy has the result of keeping our attention away from the real interests that are being served by his policies.
Could Obama act otherwise? He could in the sense that he has free will, but he would never have been allowed near the Presidency if he had not pledged to support the financial and military powers that actually rule this country. If he were to make decisions that significantly threatened those interests, he would be removed from power. So I was speculating that he does what we all do in that situation, which is to rationalize our behavior by coming up with more or less false excuses for our oppressiveness.
Boyd isn't giving Obama a free pass or seeing him through rose-colored glasses not classes. He's being realistic. You say you want to turn the ship away from the iceberg but you and your associates don't sound like it. Nader doesn't need violent talkers like you. You could learn a lot from Gandhi.
Sioux Rose VERY well stated
Another lapdog for hate talkers. You are the company you keep.
Is this the kind of hate talk that is supposed to pass for progressive thinking? Boyd and I are just as outraged but like Gandhi, we don't believe in violent thinking. We may be realistic in thinking but we're not violent.
Buddhism is not a privilege. It is a right. Obama is not alone. He part of the system. Attacking only the leader does nothing to change the system that is depressing you. On the one hand, you preach against hatred but on the other hand, you show your own hatred and wicked attitude against him. As a man who believes in peace and stability, I ask you to reconsider what you just said.
Your talk of women only gives women a bad rap. Feminism does not tolerate the kind of militarism and hate that you associate yourself and Jill with.
Boyd and I are just as outraged as you are. I choose to do something about it. Have you ever tried contacting your congressman and both senators in Florida? We can be angry and cry all day and night but why not join us in trying to counter influence Congress? Waiting for third parties to swoop in and wave the magic wand is foolish.
Thanks, Shawn. The revolution I'm interested in bringing to light is one in which we end the violence in ourselves and in the system that controls us. The Domination System reproduces itself in us when we indulge in hatred for any human being whether that person be someone on "our side" or an enemy. I strongly believe that the power elite encourage both hatred and worship of the person Obama for their own purposes. The point I wanted to make was that we should not play into their game. Obama is not the source of the policies that we should all rightly hate. He is forwarding the interests of the corporate powers that he represents. Could he act otherwise? He could in the sense that like us he has free will, but he would never have been allowed near the Presidency if he had not pledged to support the financial and military powers that actually rule this country. If he were to make decisions that significantly threatened those interests, he would be removed from power. So I was speculating that he does what we all do in that situation, which is to rationalize our behavior by coming up with more or less false excuses for our oppressiveness.
Boyd, I like that revolution. I think it should have come a long time ago. I miss my dad who was once a good man until he hit my mom and caused the divorce when I was 10 years old. I wished we could have that peaceful revolution so I can be convinced that I don't need to own firearms to defend myself and my family.
You make a great point when you say that we should not play into our enemy's game. I see most of the comments on this thread filled with hate and name-calling. It's as if they are neocon Repugs. If Obama were replaced by Nader, that alone would have changed nothing. We still have Congress and the media to take care of. I'm outraged at Obama's actions too but we need to tackle the system on all levels as some on this site have rightfully suggested. I can't believe that some on this site cannot tolerate such peaceful understanding.
I like your style Boyd.
Peace
This is a good illustration of my point above.
You write:
"I choose to do something about it. Have you ever tried contacting your congressman and both senators in Florida? We can be angry and cry all day and night but why not join us in trying to counter influence Congress?"
You just directly implied that Sioux Rose chooses NOT to do anything about it. But you do not actually know what Sioux Rose does.
You just directly implied that Sioux Rose does not contact her congressional representatives and senators - "Why not join us?" is a direct implication that she has not done so.
You just directly implied that Sioux Rose does not take any action but "cry all day and night."
You just directly implied that Sioux Rose takes no useful action in her life, just "Waiting for third parties to swoop in and wave the magic wand is foolish."
You just called Sioux Rose a fool.
Can you not stop for a moment and see the violence in your words? As you directly claim the mantle of Gandhian non-violence?
Sometimes knowing when to stop is an important skill.
Who are you, her lapdog? That was between me and her. Stay out of it.
You write:
"You just directly implied that Sioux Rose chooses NOT to do anything about it. But you do not actually know what Sioux Rose does."
Nowhere did I imply that Rose doesn't contact her congress people and senators. I just asked a simple question. If she can't answer that, what does that tell you?
"You just directly implied that Sioux Rose does not take any action but "cry all day and night.""
That is a lie. Like the person hiding behind as ThomasJefferson, you make up unsubstantiated assumptions. I was referring to Sioux's quote "My anger and pain and depression about the continuation of RUIN to not only our own nation, but other lands, is a PASSION for justice." I don't mind anyone crying all day and all night but what good does it do to always be pissed off and do nothing about it? Making astrological predictions based on fear and anger solves nothing. I have read her posts when I come on and off the site. Sometimes, she makes sense and sometimes she doesn't.
"You just directly implied that Sioux Rose takes no useful action in her life, just "Waiting for third parties to swoop in and wave the magic wand is foolish.""
Can she prove otherwise? Her posts so far prove that I am correct. I was making a general statement based on the posts. Instead of jumping the gun, try reading and thinking. Third parties have very little chance of winning and election after election confirms it. Go study election history and examine the results.
"You just called Sioux Rose a fool."
Again, you're making up personal bs. Calling her actions foolish is not the same as calling her a fool.
"Can you not stop for a moment and see the violence in your words? As you directly claim the mantle of Gandhian non-violence?"
Why don't you tell SiouxRose, ThomasJefferson, and Jill first? Go back and read their name-calling posts and prove to me that their lying and bullshit attacks are worth defending. Either you don't know the meaning of violence or you're just trying to playing someone's lapdog because you worship them or something. I don't worship Obama but you don't mind defending people posting wicked behavior and hate talk.
"Sometimes knowing when to stop is an important skill."
Giving up is not my trait. Losers give up. Winners keep fighting. That's the real skill.
I am a proud blue collared progressive who just so happens to be practical and realistic.
Good night Shawn.
Sioux Rose
WEBWALK: Thank you for trying, but it's a wasted effort. Anyone who could post over 45 comments on this thread and not hear a WORD anyone else related, is a crippled narcissist. Best avoided.
Crippled narcissist? Relying on your associates to speak for you? You can't debate me on anything so you rely on your associates to cluster for you? Yeah, that'll make you feel so good won't it? I can post as much as I want just like you can. You have no respect for your own beliefs and are wicked at times. You really think you can bully me like that?
Thank you for admitting defeat. It would have been nice of you to back up your claims rather than rely on personal prejudice like you did. I rest my case.
We can reduce those power relations by continuing to put pressure on our senators and representatives in Congress. I get flamed for saying that it does not good to worship or hate Obama that I doubt that any of them take Gandhi seriously.
You can't defeat a bad system by replacing the leader alone. The forces that made the system what it is and keep it that way must be reduced first. Then the leader will either conform to those changes or face removal from power.
Shawn Shawn.You can be annoying. Just like they did in Hitler's Germany Pressure stopped Hitler and his groupies. The pressure to spare East Timor worked too huh .The snakes slithered in,struck and slithered out.( Faithful Ford and his big bud, Kiss my grits Kissinger.) A fete accompli!Dang I'm posting hate.
Another alias who loves shouting, name-calling, and throwing tantrums?
Thanks, Shawn. I agree that the forces that make the system must be struggled against. One of my points is that either worshiping or hating the man Obama plays directly into the power strategy that is currently being implemented by the financial elite. Gandhi has shown us how to conduct the spiritual warfare that leads to genuine victory. Here he describes the physical qualifications required for a Satyagrahi (one who struggles nonviolently): "In the dictionary of the non-violent there is no such word as external enemy. But even for the supposed enemy he will have nothing but compassion in his heart. He will believe that no man is intentionally wicked, that there is no man but is gifted with the faculty to discriminate between right and wrong, and this if that faculty were to be fully developed, it would surely mature into non-violence. He will therefore pray to God that He may give the supposed enemy a sense of right and bless him." - M.K. Gandhi, "Non-violent Resistance", p. 93.
In our struggle against the wrong-doer Obama, we should always assume and appeal to his heart. Corrupted as it may be (and as ours may be) by power relations, it still remains a heart capable of good and, in his case, he gave concrete proof of his capacity for progressive sentiment in the recent past. Rather than attack him, I believe we should build on his good words, to shame him into truth through the power of our own truth, not to belittle or impugn his motives. To do otherwise is to promote the evil we battle against.
Boyd,
Shawn Berry is not exactly treating his fellow humans at Common Dreams with the kind of Gandhian love and respect that you reference.
Not that i or any of us always do. i'm not an absolute pacifist although Gandhi has always been one of my heroes. Scroll through my posts and you'll see me lash out sometimes.
But there is a lot of "belittling" and "impugning" going on here, on various sides. If one is specifically asserting that such behaviors are counter-productive, it would seem smart to strive really hard to embody the attitudes and behaviors proposed for others.
Again, i react defensively all the time, and am not holding myself up as some perfect practitioner of whatever. Perhaps i should spend less time analyzing and pointing out errors in others' posts... it does seem to provoke defensiveness... just yesterday i wrote "You are a liar" to another poster here...
I don't appreciate people lying about me and expecting me to return a Ghandian favor but since you admitted that it was wrong to react defensively all the time, I hope you and the rest of the attackers will understand other people's points of view and work on correcting them rather than pointlessly attacking them. I rest my case.
Shawn,
i think you missed my point that you also are reacting defensively, making sweeping statements about peoples' motivations or actions (while you do not know what any of us do in our lives outside of this forum), and misrepresenting (not intentionally) what others have written.
It takes great care to have a productive discussion in a virtual forum like this. i don't always hold myself to my own standards. And i am not saying that you are the only person contributing to a degeneration of this dialog.
Sometimes just knowing when to stop is an important skill.
I understand exactly what you said and I called you out on your lying about me. I apologize if I misunderstood some people on this forum but I do not see Obama bashing or worshipping as the solution. Sioux Rose, ThomasJefferson, and Jill are making up bullshit about some of us and I have the same right to defend myself. I challenged them to prove some of their childish posts but they wouldn't try. I didn't know that telling the truth and being realistic is reacting defensively. Why don't you call out on those three for their hypocritical posts? Generally, they post fine but not this time. Nowhere did I make any sweeping statements about people. If you want to join them and lie, name-call, and make sweeping statements like they do with nothing to back up their bullshit, be my guest. I still say that worshiping or bashing Obama is not constructive. I didn't realize that some people have a serious attitude problem about that but I will not back out of it. I like to debate and challenge people once in a while. Otherwise, I just read what others have to say and find some talking points to bring up with my congressman and senators.
Shawn,
Well, i'm pretty much done, but i'll point out one last thing.
You say "I called you out on your lying about me."
No, you did not. Calling someone out about lying, requires that you point out lies.
You wrote "I don't appreciate people lying about me." You did not point out any lie.
In my post, that you "called me out" on, all i wrote about you was:
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"Shawn Berry is not exactly treating his fellow humans at Common Dreams with the kind of Gandhian love and respect that you reference... there is a lot of "belittling" and "impugning" going on here, on various sides."
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Where am i "lying about you"?
Please note that i refer to "various sides". And please recall that my first post in this thread was to question why people were reacting so strongly to what you had written.
"Nowhere did i make any sweeping statements..."
Rather than continue back-and-forth, i ask you to go through your writing, and see your atatements as they appear to others. From my perspective nearly every post of yours has "sweeping statements about people" including the post i am replying to.
"Nowhere did i make any sweeping statements..."
I'm sorry to see that YOU are acting illiterate. I went through my writing and I stand correct. You are just trying to play someone else's lapdog. You did it with Jill on another topic and you're doing it here with Rose. I have every right to defend myself and if that's your problem, then that's your problem. You are very prejudiced. Thank you for proving my points. You act like ThomasJefferson, SiouxRose, and Jill in making up lies and bullshit. YOU need to read your own bullshit first.
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Thank you for admitting defeat. It would have been nice of you to back up your claims rather than rely on personal prejudice like you did. I rest my case.
Shawn you put webwalk to sleep that is not exactly defeating him ?
Oh, so now you're trying to speak for webwalk after I defeated his lapdog posts. You sound like you are another alias for webwalk or webwalk can't stand on his two feet.
Thanks for your reply, webwalk. I'm not familiar with Shawn's other postings, but I try to refrain from judging others, just as I refrain from judging Obama's inner motives. That was the point I was trying to make about "Obama", which I put in quotes to distinguish the myth from the man. "Obama" as he is normally dealt with on CD seems to me to be almost pure myth, not in the sense of being untrue, but in the Jungian sense of an archetype, a symbol that collects various emotional charges both of hatred and love. As I replied to Shawn, I think that both reactions can be easily exploited by the corporate elite to forward their agenda. Attacks on Obama can be exploited by the mainstream media to portray him as a powerless and incompetent President, especially when he defends progressive ideas. Worship for Obama can be equally exploited to serve as cover when he promotes the AfPak war and banker bail-outs. The idea I would like to defend and one that I think Gandhi would support is to see the good in the human being while clearly denouncing the system that coerces him and us into oppressive behaviors.
Boyd, thank you for the reply too. I don't know what people really mean on this site by just attacking the president personally. I understand the anger and outrage that Obama deserves but I don't see what these same people plan to do about it. I'm being given perhaps the wrong impression that they want Obama to fail just because he's a Democrat. I think you said it better when you made the case that Obama as a person is not the same as Obama as a president. I don't hate anyone on this site even if I find fault with their behavior. I thought I made it clear that I don't worship Obama but I'm not going to join the sitting chorus bashing Obama without getting their butts off the couch and trying to do something about it. You, I, and most of us on this forum agree on most things. I don't always have the time to come on to this site. I'm a busy man and have work to take care of. I am not pleased with Obama expanding Bush's wars for bailing out the banksters and that's another reason I go out of my way to bug my congressman and both senators to stand up for us and not them. I also write letters to Obama concerning his positions and try to remind him of his past speeches that contradict his actions. He may not come to his senses but at least I tried my part. I like your astute analysis on Gandhi and your idea. Each of us could learn from his ideas and fill up our gaps. Don't let anyone attack you with "you're being too nice to ...".
Peace
Sioux rose 'you project too much decency onto Obama" you nailed it! He's a duck alright, walks talks and acts like one. Just ask Congresswoman (oops she got defrocked by aipac boys)cynthia McKinney, who spent the week in an Israeli Jail,post being shot at by their stormtroopers, without a peep or should I say a Quack, from OBOMBA
Sioux Rose
ILA: Well, how about "There are principles and there are principals." Obama, from the latter, "All right boys and girls, please be seated and prepare to follow the rulers, oops... I mean rules!"
[Why do I put "Obama" in quotes?]
"Obama" in quotes should become the norm.
["Obama" represents a marketing strategy designed to cover a series of moves which the ruling elite]
"Obama" is a strategy of the ruling elite, who, among other things, serves to deflect attention from the ruling elite. Yet, no one save the conspiracy nuts is devoting any effort at all to identifying the ruling the elite and charting it machinations. The elite remains invisible while in plain sight. Meaningful analysis should start with the the daunting subject of international finance.
BRILLIANT!
COLLINS 9:25 ------ Excellent Analysis !!
Obama has more troops in the middle east that Bush had. The peace prize should have been awarded to Code Pink in general, and Jodie Evans in particular.
I differ with Klein on one point. I don't think Obama has handled Honduras well at all. He has taken a middle position, not in line with most all the nations of Central and South America. This has let the situation languish in limbo, and it appears it was an attempt to dither until Honduran elections in November. Obama could have dropped all financial support, ended the training of Hondurans in the School of Americas (of which Micheletti is a graduate) and sealed the deal. One must not forget it was former Clinton acolytes who are the spokespeople for Micheletti, and if the US corporate interests can stop the increasing socialistic tendencies of Central and South American countries, it can return to the status quo--the boon for multinational corporate interests for the last 100 years. If we ever hope to change our own country, it is imperative that we promote social change for our neighbors to the South. It is because of our nation, after-all, that the gap between the wealthy and the poor has remained what it is in those nations due to our unremitting support of the tiny elite that controls the land and resources of those nations.
While 0bama's position on Honduras is far from ideal and deserves condemnation for what it is, it is also the best position by a sitting American president on American black operations in a Latin-American country in US history.
That's dismal,
but in the absence of further qualification on Klein's part, it makes more sense to take her comment to acknowledge the considerable improvement in this particular gesture of 0's than it does to imagine that it constitutes an unqualified approval that would be drastically inconsistent with the general tone of the article and the overwhelmingly dominant tone of her work in general.
Michael, past that, I agree with your excellent post.
Yes, I'm surprised that Klein misses this point. Obama has taken a bland position on the Honduran coup. However, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton positively supports the coup leaders, having called Zelaya "reckless," etc.
-TIA
Don't be! Klein is an closet elitist front woman.She gets off on herself but how poised is she really, to say what she means and mean what she says NOT AT ALL. She likes the MONEY. That is the bottom line for her.SIMPLE AS ABC. She's a Canadian transplant sell out unfortunately.Most journalists and writers have to be scrutinized and few stay the course and eventually succumb to CORRUPTION.Propaganda and all forms of the media control go hand in hand these days.
Just this week,the company that my husband has worked for,for a decade,without interference, has begun blocking access to certain web sites.Just like they do in China.IT HAS BEGUN.ALDOUS HERE WE COME.
I've just read her book, "The Shock Doctrine." Based on that, Klein seems to be the opposite of what you say.
-TIA
I read shock doctrine too and have been aware of her actions for a few years and they don't amount to a hill of beans. she is well educated
"I differ with Klein on one point. I don't think Obama has handled Honduras well at all. He has taken a middle position, not in line with most all the nations of Central and South America." –(MichaelPDA).
–Correct, but in this respect Naomi Klein differs little from eloquent Obama critics like Glenn Greenwald: Even she has to appear to throw the undeserving Obama 'some bones' so as not to appear shrill. I believe such small capitulations are a small price to pay for their respective contributions.
When the truth comes out about Obama's policy decisions regarding Honduras, it will be revealed clearly that the Pentagon was calling the shots all along.
Fascism is always the desired endgame for U.S interests in Latin America. Nothing has changed under Obama. Naomi Klein should simply say that. But as a mainstream pundit, even in the 'progressive' blogosphere, she cannot.
I suspect none of the reasons why she chooses not to condemn Obama have anything remotely to do with her better judgement–but only that she is compelled to do so. She is too bright to make such egregious errors of emphasis.
Does she want to continue to write without being marginalized and relegated to complete obscurity? –(Jill Bains).
You make a point.However Jeremy Scahil has forthrightly condemned OBomba and continues to write.If not writers standing up courageously,then who.THE POWER OF THE PEN.
Bring America Back !!!!........I find the post of 'Moore' below to be especially enlightening.
***Yes, Obama has adopted the same Neocon tyrannies of Bush, and is actually planning to worsen them.
***This is the Glenn Beck theory, but Obama's behaviour is
proof positive he's done absolutely nothing for human justice, constitutional rights, and our better welfare !
Team Obama is a total cave-in to the DC culture of corruption.
**They do not have to declare martial law when they can just strengthen the Patriot Act, make immune FISA felonies, and fail to prosecute Bush war crimes.
Do NOT ever again vote for Barack Obama !!!!!!!!!!!
dubet says - "wouldn't it be interesting if our 'spirits' were equally, physically, one with the [pollutant] gases trapped in our atmosphere?" "...toxifying our souls the same way our earth bound poisons are toxifying our bodies?"
Yes, dubet.
I suspect there is such a phenomenon, which some people call as noosphere --a hyper fine envelope of mental/emotion energies that we de facto create and ingest and are bound together by. And I think we can and do pollute it, just like we do the earth's atmosphere.
Serious noospheric toxification probably first starts with poisonous personal emotions and value systems that are egged-on by sick but powerful people to become legitimated on a mass scale: hyper mass-greed, ego-driven domination/ruination of life-sponsoring Nature. In short, lower/darker human energies start displacing higher/lighter energies in millions of people.
These liberated lower energies then, arguably in turn produce toxic external systems (e.g., unregulated capitalism/industrialism, etc.), systems which then legitimate the manufacture of still grosser poisons --violent mass entertainment/wars, life-killing chemicals, junk food, junk art, etc.
Why our lower/darker human energy comes to infect some to begin with, or is 'allowed to' spread from a few darkness-infected individuals to an activated illness-state in millions of others, isn't any clearer to me than why Black Holes sometimes eat Suns.
All we know is that a similar process can happen in human affairs, ala the seeming cosmic law: As Above So Below; and that we who favor life and light, via fundamental human laws such as 'Do Unto Others...', must fight to keep earth's noosphere clean enough to spiritually breathe.
If too many of us give up doing that, there won't even be the consciousness to care about pollution in our physical atmosphere.
Calico cat ---But isn't there some higher entity that runs the show before we get to entropy? just a thought.
Obama bows to the awesome power. He hasn't the experience or the plutocrat lineage to challenge the power and can't be a Roosevelt. He might think that if he takes its side he can make some progressive changes from within. He's a guest in their mansion. Bush had it easy. He was oligarchy.
Collins 9:25 is absolutly correct.
"Hello is there really anybody in there?"
The corporate dictatorship is using the same demonization, false documents and false assessments today against Iran as they did against Iraq.
Hey folks we just killed 100's of thousands of living breathing loving Children Women and Men in Iraq .
And many of you are going along again with the same freakin scenerio.
How freakin dumb and cruel can one be.
This time karma may catch up to the USA and in one days time it will be nothing but smoke and ash and the USA citizens will know what they visted upon Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan and Somalia and are preparing to do in Iran
Obama is PLANNING bad things, not just going along.
We are looking at a very long term planned and carefully crafted effort to end the US as a constitutional country and take it over.
Most of the groundwork was laid by Bush and Cheney through orders and directives and MSEHPA and the Patriot Act.
Some dangerous things are continuing along those lines now under Obama - keeping extended detention and torture and Blackwater, wrecking the economy, supporting Monsanto bill S510 (includes martial law also and control over all food and food shipments), "healthcare" for industries of all kinds, and now two upcoming bills - one to control all weapons and the other so they can shut off the internet, even email. Unhampered access to both are essential for avoiding martial law and a take over here.
Most of us grew up thinking guns were dangerous, but the more you see what is happening here now, the more you appreciate why the 2nd amendment is in the Constitution and the critical value of citizens being able to defend themselves. This country is unique in citizens being armed - and others in the world see that as one reason the US as the best hope of fending off a globalist take over worldwide. The corporate media is scaring the left about the right as a means of helping push that gun law.
The gun law is very like poll taxes and literacy tests - on paper it appeared blacks could vote, but the reality was something else.
To have a sense of why guns matter and who is trying to correct Bush's deconstruction of constitutional law just by holding to it, go to Oath Keepers. http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/ The orders they will not obey read almost as "anti-martial" law in each aspect. It's touching because most are conservatives applying their deeply help belief in freedom and this country as well as their willingness to die for it and us.
So, while there are some right wing nuts, they are no threat to us but Obama's weapons' bill is. The constitution included gun rights for a reason and erasing those rights through fear of the right or ramping up hatred are tricks to get the left to push for gutting the second amendment. Hitler took guns away immediately.
Here is who has been helping expand Oath Keepers into the thousands for the last few years despite having cancer, so when they attempt martial law, there is hope it might fail. My hope is Nader and others might massively expose it and FBI and prosecutors will go after those behind this, which is clearly treason. Watch the video. Bowman is beloved by Code Pink and libertarians - he is the real thing for everyone.
Robert M. Bowman, PhD, Lt. Col., USAF, ret.
Director of Star Wars under Ford and Carter
www.thepatriots.us/
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3024282206071761074
The gun nut right wingers are reactionaries. Reactionaries are often cowardly, ignorant, superstitious, jingoist, sexually inadequate, conservative Republicans. They think guns make them macho, but they are deathly afraid of equal powers and are forever trying to have the bigger gun. Well armed liberals they would respect.
Why do you suppose there is a scarcity of ammunition.
Hey, another preview message cometh.
Naomi Klein hits the old nail right on the head. Oh, and Wall Street really has got the "change they can believe in-- 2 or 3 trillion dollars worth out of US taxpayers hard earned money and out of the US Treasury. Can you say bank robbery on Wall Street?
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Naomi Klein hits the old nail right on the head. Oh, and Wall Street really has got the "change they can believe in-- 2 or 3 trillion dollars worth out of US taxpayers hard earned money and out of the US Treasury. Can you say bank robbery on Wall Street?
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Reading all the comments on these articles makes me want to ask the following question and I replied to sue1403 with this response.
Why are so many of us in campaign made 24/7/52/4?
Let's quit this personality-obsession, and focus on ISSUES!!!
Why are so many still so stuck in the cults of political personalities?
Dennis Kucinich has been my first Democratic choice for prez as well, and may be again. I support Nader and Mckinney just as much as all of you do. But that doesn't make a bit of difference right now. Why are so many folk ALREADY endlessly obsessed about personalities for the next election?
There should be an extended period of time in the 4-year cycle when we put that disruptive personality-driven campaign crap away, and simply focus on the issues. The ISSUES folks, remember them? We are politically sick when we're always, endlessly, interminably sidetracked by the obsessive need to trash or laud the political personalities that have come to symbolize the changes we want or don't want.
The ISSUES folks, remember them? NOT the specific politician? People who at this time are still circling the cul de sac of personality-driven campaign matters, still arguing about last election, or angling for the next, are truly the victims of political arrested development.
The height of absurdity are those who believe they ARE discussing issues, but whose arguments always devolve into either trashing or supporting some political personality.
There will be far far far far more time than we need in 2012 to hash out whom we will support for that November's presidential election.
My sense is that there's a group of younger voters who politically "woke up" or "came of age" during this last ungodly, unnaturally long 2-year long presidential campaign. And campaign mode is now all they know. They're stuck with that paper bag over their heads, and don't know anything else. They are like children who have learned a new trick, and that's all they do now.
There is far more to political discussion than simply blaming or exalting various personalities.
Those whose posts here, now, scarcely 9 months after the last inauguration, are perpetually trashing or extolling Obama (or some other political personality) are signaling that their politics are the politics of personality, NOT the politics of issues.
Both the Obama trashers and worshippers who nonetheless claim that they are concerned with issues, not partisanship, are flat out lying. I voted practically for Obama and am also outraged at Obama and Congress as you are but I don't give up trying to make my members of Congress listen. Waiting for third parties to take over won't work. Third parties have no chance of winning in the current system.
Shawn I hate to bring disillusionment into your day BUT we are left with the buzz words of GOVERNMENT/ WE THE PEOPLE /DEMOCRACY/ELECTIONS/
GOP/ DEMOCRATS/ BLAH BLAH BLAH We do, in fact, live under a Zionist fascist fourth reich where all things are possible for the FILTHY RICH.JUST TRY TO WADE THROUGH THE 37pound PATRIOT ACT, PASSED! THAT NOBODY READ. TOO HEAVY I GUESS.
Stop shouting. We may have a bunch of politicians making dumb moves but we're not a fascist nation. Our government is a representation of who we collectively choose to elect. I don't support the Patriot Act and I have actually written letters to both Senators Kloubacher and Franken voicing my concerns about that act. Franken had the decency to respond and promise to try to reform it if getting rid of it was impossible. Why don't you help us out and try pressuring your own senators and congress people?
And it was presented to Congress in just a couple of days after 9/11 !!!
Causing one to assume it was written before 9/11
"Third parties have no chance of winning in the current system."
If that's your final thought on the subject, then you apparently have very little interest in talking about "the issues," which you otherwise seem so intent on. One of the major political issues of these times is precisely that of third party participation in this whirlygig duopoly that passes for a political system. Third parties have argued for decades that the game is rigged, that the two parties are just two wings of the Business Party and that no real issues will EVER be addressed so long as we are fatalistic about there being no alternative. With your attitude, "the issues" will never have a chance of being seriously reckoned with.
"One of the major political issues of these times is precisely that of third party participation in this whirlygig duopoly that passes for a political system."
–(Ephraim)
Absolutely. It is a seminal issue.
Given the fact that a Jacobin (French Revolution style) dictatorship is not to most people's 'tastes,' the insistence– at the very least– of a parliamentary style electoral system modeled on 'democratic' European states, is a clear and absolute necessity.
That should be a specific programmatic insistence–at the very least– of any alternative American politics.
It is too early for Americans to understand that even that, would not be enough.
As it stands now, who would like to see Dick Cheney, Douglas Feith and Barack Obama facing a public firing squad for crimes against humanity?
Who said "to everything there is a Season?" Probably a pop song. What could be more American than that?
–(Jill Bains)
Saying that third parties have no chance of winning has nothing to do with discussing issues. Third party to change things for the better? That's the biggest failure of all. You ignore the fact that seeking change through a third party has a track record of failing EVERY time, among the over 30 times since the Civil War that a third party managed to get more than 1% of the popular vote. And its failure rate is even greater if you include the many tens of times a third party didn't even get 1% of the vote. Only once has a third party even succeeded in not finishing third (TR's Bull Moose Party in 1912). Only 4 times among those 30 has a third party even managed 10% of the vote. Whichever party splintered usually lost power to the party which didn't. Convincing people to unwittingly work against their own best interests here, by abandoning the effort to push the Dems further to the left, and instead waste their efforts in a third party scheme that never works usually does serious harm. Meanwhile, since the Civil War, BOTH major parties HAVE swung wildly back and forth in their issue positions. That's what has happened before. Repeatedly. That doesn't mean I wouldn't support a third party ripe for the picking. Any party that wants to govern needs to organize, raise money, build a consensus, and find ways of reaching out to a broader spectrum. Running as an Independent and counting on killjoys as your followers solves nothing. I support Nader's and Mckinney's ideals but they're in a system that gives them no chance of winning. The system only allows third parties to spoil. We would have to drastically change the system for that to not be the case. In the meantime, we have plenty of time to iron things out and challenge Obama by 2012 if he needs it just like we challenged Carter and LBJ. The year is 2009. There are two more years left. I am just as outraged at Obama as you are but I don't see anyway out until 2012.
Shawn, If you are not obsessed with personalities, then why did you vote for Obama?
Simply paying attention to his votes in the Senate or doing a little research and finding that he voted against civil liberties (patriot act), pro-war (funding) and pro-corporations was enough for me to NOT vote for Obama.
"I voted practically for Obama and am also outraged at Obama"..
I agree that third parties will not work until there is an individual as qualified as Kucinich.
"Waiting for third parties to take over won't work. Third parties have no chance of winning in the current system."
For me, it is not about "personalities" and that is why I did not vote for Obama.
The issues I am concerned with are Single-Payer Healthcare, an end to war and a peace department, establishing environmental and corporate regulations, end to NAFTA and WTO; these are ISSUES that Dennis Kucinich will enact.
I believe most people are shallow and vote for the "personality". I do not.
If you have suggestions for how to get Congress and Obama to act on behalf of the people, I would love to hear them. I have done the calling, the emailing, the letter-writing, the protesting. I am not saying no one should do this.
I am saying it has not been effective. They do not have to listen. They know this. They have made it very clear that what the people want is "off the table".
Voting for the right person, whether it is Congress or the President that has a clear RECORD of voting on behalf of the people is what I think WOULD be effective.
I think we all know what the ISSUES are. If you have all the answers, then how do you suggest we get these ISSUES addressed? We need action, not more pontificating.
Sue 1403,
An excellent, point by point rejoinder, which I do not have the patience for without becoming rude or exasperated. A thoughtful, considered and accurate riposte, without showing disrespect, yet blunt enough to not sound 'namby pamby.'
One always hears how many 'progressives' supported Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney, but ended up voting for Obama: That in itself is the problem and in the end an all telling and unforgivable admission.
In fact it is so common and endemic a pattern of American progressivism that it clearly reveals how ideologically corrupted it has become.
Shawn seems to believe that putting the "issues" out there and articulating them sensibly to the American voter will make a difference. Nothing could be further from the truth. American politics are beyond 'issues' or convincing anyone of their worth. Shawn says this:
"There will be far far far far more time than we need in 2012 to hash out whom we will support for that November's presidential election."
What he cannot come to realize– for doing so would necessitate abandoning a deeply held fantasy for a reality completely at odds with his misplaced optimism, is that "presidential elections" have absolutely nothing to do with "issues."
We no longer live in a world where elections in America even matter. No one can be elected American president who is not a Neo-fascist.
The sooner that reality sinks in the more readily a true oppositional politics can develop to challenge the regnant fascism.
–(Jill Bains)
Jill, you are making no sense of yourself by going into campaign mode 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, 4 years. Putting pressure on Congress on the White House is part of democracy and can be done as often as you wish. Voting for a president is done only once every 4 years. Voting for Congress is done once every 2 years. I respect 3rd parties and support their ideas but they have no chance of winning. You have 'patience' to write long impatient bs but no patience to focus on reality. Do most of you who jump up and down screaming for third parties like kids not realize that you are hurting them more than helping them?
I give you credit for an indefatigable persistence. All in the service of a profound incoherence that can now be seen as simple ignorance.
This is bizarrely admirable.
Even after your gullible conclusions have been ransacked by others you proceed to cut your own throat– in effect– killing your own corpse.
Have at it. Have the last word.And lurch on!
But you are already dead. –(Jill Bains)
I know what I am talking about but you don't. You think you're some all powerful 3rd party spokeswoman but you are only slitting your own third parties at the throats and leaving them behind as dead corpses. Your ignorance is truly amazing. I am a progressive even if I voted for Obama. I could have voted for Nader and Mckinney if they had any chance at winning. But they have no money, can't advertise, are given no access to presidential debates, and can't make it to ballots. Why don't you spend some time helping third parties out and maybe we will vote for them? Even if they win, it is still everyone's responsibility to see to it that they help your cause. If you want someone better than Obama, then help us out on it. I have as much in common with Nader and Mckinney as you do but you wouldn't know that screaming like a tantrum throwing child who needs to be disciplined.
I wasn't satisfied with Obama's voting record in the Senate either but I didn't want Mccain to continue Bush's agenda. Do I feel ashamed to watch Obama doing just that? Hell yeah but there's nothing that can be done until 2012. I'll be glad to campaign for Kucinich in 2012 if he runs a primary against Obama. He was my choice two primaries in a row and I would give him a third primary vote. To clarify on the issues, what I am saying is that people can discuss them without worshipping or bashing Obama as if it's some kind of a sport or therapy.
SHAWN SHAWN WAKE UP Contrived media propaganda manipulators told YOU who to like ,what to wear, when to put your pants on and that OBOMBA WAS THE ONE AND THAT YOU SHOULD LOVE HIM,TRUST HIM AND THEN WORSHIP HIM. JUST LIKE IN HITLERS GERMANY OBOMBA'S ORATORY WAS HYPNOTICALLY BRILLIANT.I Always start my day with good old fashioned Heil.Don't you?
Stop shouting. I don't worship Obama nor do I hate him. I am just as outraged at his actions as you are but he is president until 2013. Obama is not Adolf Hitler even if he made a lot of stupid moves. You need a different Congress and a different media if you want a stronger progressive such as Ralph Nader. The media is another representation of what society wants. I know the media is meddlesome but I would not give up putting pressure on my representatives after the election is over.
I would take exception to Naomi Klein on one thing; Obama's not siding with the side of the coup in Hounduras is only superficial. The operatives of the coup were trained in the School of the Americas, a U.S. run training facility, located in the U.S.
I thought that was a pretty lousy appraisal too. Obomber's condemnation of the coup has been rather tepid and I'd bet if you pulled back the curtain the wizard of Ob either agreed with or ignored what was happening.
I join this consensus. At best, the Obama maladministration has been equivocal. Tepid, indeed-- I've been characterizing Obama's stance from the beginning as "praising with faint damns".
Team Obama has tried to bluff the question of US involvement by imposing a false equivalence upon the parties. Yes, there is a line of formal US comment recognizing Zelaya's authority and rejecting the de facto government.
But beyond the diplomatic kabuki dance, the US and particularly Secretary Clinton has wagged her finger at BOTH sides, and reduced the conflict to the level of divided wings of a family living in the same house: you're BOTH being bad neighbors!
And IMO, Obama is more comfortable with old-school authoritarians than the new wave of left-oriented leaders south of the US. I could see him hoisting a brewski with Somoza or Pinochet in a heartbeat.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Naomi Klein, along with Jeremy Scahill, are unmatched in their courageous and articulate investigative work. This is obviously a rarity these days.
Are we doomed to simply watch the world suffer and be bystanders to our governments' destructive path?
Either every single person takes to the street and physically takes back our government, which is not going to happen, or we take it back from the inside.
The only person I trust to do that is Dennis Kucinich.
Vote out all members of Congress who supported war funding in 2010 and support and vote for Dennis Kucinich in 2012.
Third parties do not have the following and Ralph Nader accepted contributions from the Republican Party so he cannot be trusted.
"Third parties do not have the following ..."
That's essentially circular reasoning. Judging from comments made during the last presidential campaign, millions of voters apparently decided that they wouldn't follow third parties because third parties didn't have a following.
This isn't a big deal in the scheme of things, but even assuming this is true, I don't find it at all reprehensible that Nader would accept "Republican" money.
You're raising the issue as a legitimate concern for you, which I respect. But you may not have been visiting this site and other sites during the heyday of the anti-Naderites. As part of their hysterical condemnation of all things Nader, they fervently invoked this supposedly hypocritical and treacherous act as proof positive that Nader is either a crypto-bankster sell-out or a closet Republican.
Nader's new book predictably revived this Limbaughesque smear. There are still a few vitriolic "Nader-haters" popping up here now and then.
Consider this: Nader, like ANY candidate in Amerika, requires megabucks to run for office. Since he's not about to be funded by the usual corporations and banksters, he cheerfully declared that he'd take any contributions from anywhere.
I can't say Nader used the term "beggars can't be choosers", but that's pretty much where any outsider candidate is. Furthermore, Nader openly affirmed the expected truth that he's not about to be beholden to a party just because they contribute to his campaign.
You may find that claim suspect, but that's beside the point. The issue is that Nader made it clear that if Republicans wanted to fund a candidate who would become their nemesis if he were elected, so much the better!
Furthermore, the Democrats-- ESPECIALLY the would-be progressive and latte-liberal Dems-- furiously and self-righteously implemented every dirty trick and obstacle they could think of to impede Nader's campaign and exclude Nader from a place on the national stage. The anti-Nader Dems unabashedly sought to terminate Nader's candidacy with extreme prejudice.
Given all of this, it's not at all clear what "principle" Nader would serve if he refused and rejected financial support to continue a campaign dogged by the slings and arrows of Democratic hostility.
And would it be OK if Ralph took Democratic money? Is it OK that Kucinich does? To me, this boils down to a fastidiousness about taking money from the Bad Cop (a deal-breaker) vs. taking money from the Good Cop (not right but understandable).
You may want to examine your position, or at least your worry, in the light of these points.
· Yr Obd't Servant
A superb analysis, which in retrospect, is the same line of unassailable reasoning that made me reconsider my own original outrage over Nader's acceptance of Republican donations.
–(Jill Bains)
"Third parties do not have the following and Ralph Nader accepted contributions from the Republican Party so he cannot be trusted."
This is getting too old and it's a lie. Where's the proof that Nader accepted contributions from the Republican Party. Kucinich is alright except that he was dumb enough to endorse Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008 after both primaries were over. I couldn't trust Kucinich then. Cynthia Mckinney is much better.
Naomi Klein has once again carefully and skillfully documented the neoliberalism that masquerades as " Change You Can Believe In" ...
Barack Obama has fully adopted Bush foreign policy, just not the ham handed implementation. We now have more troops on the battlefield than at any time during the Bush years.
Glenn Greenwald has meticulously documented Obama's domestic surveillance, human rights and torture policies and finds little or no difference from the Bush years.
Obama's financial team has given Wall Street even more trillions than the Bush Team.
When will the left see the Obama Administration for what it is? ...that is ... a much better run Bush Administration.
The Nobel Prize was an award for the great acting performance that Bush's replacement has given ... And it has been masterful.
Naomi has given us another peek behind the curtain ...
given: your body and mine are physically created, manufactured, from the very planet beneath our feet...we are, this planet and you and I, literally, one and the same body...we share molecules constantly, including tainted ones, which present, medically, in the form of various illnesses...
wouldn't it be interesting if our 'spirits' were equally, physically, one with the gases trapped in our atmosphere? if all of our many years' worth of unnatural emissions into that arena are toxifying our souls the same way our earth-bound poisons are toxifying our bodies?
wouldn't it be interesting?
dubet;Interesting and I love this stuff because what you wrote about is part of the real you.When the body turns to dust there is left the Soul and the Soul is the spirit and the mind and what you are saying,I think,is that the spirit is picking up all these negative vibrations and with the Soul having free will they will make choices influenced by these negatives.How powerful are these negatives?I have no idea but it seems many people are drinking in this negativity.If you stand there or sit you can feel it.The planet already feels it.Intuition on a grand scale.People may call it bullshit;thats ok.Tony
Ephraim, good point. After reading all the above posts, I couldn't help thinking all the political machinations will become moot when things get really hot - globally speaking.
The only thing that could bring us together would be an alien invasion.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Naomi says: "As with the climate change negotiations, lining up behind Obama, with his impeccable reputation, was an easy way to avoid burdensome international obligations and look progressive at the same time--a service the United States was never able to provide during the Bush years."
And that aptly sums up the world's blinkered attitude about Obama. Isn't he just wonderful, mainly because he's black and not George Bush, and I don't need to know anything else. Shower him with praise and prizes no matter what he does. If he blocks any form of REAL healthcare reform, praise him for at least "trying". If he keeps illegal, unjustifiable, totally criminal wars fully in motion, draining the treasury paying for them, give him the Nobel Peace Prize. If he keeps torturing detainees, not closing Gitmo or any other torture chamber, say loudly how much different he is from Bush. If he blocks any meaningful efforts to address global warming, call him a great environmentalist breaking from past US obstinance in the face of hard science.
This is the way it is with Obama. He somehow mesmerized most of the world into believing he's some kind of savior, and the trance is still in effect. Merely because he isn't Bush, or a Republican, then he must be the reincarnation of Jesus+Lincoln+MLK. Ignore what he actually does; it will only deflate the myth. For the seriously deluded, nothing is more important than nurturing and protecting their delusions.
Good stuff here, Ephraim.
The value of Obama as 'image' is nonpareil and certainly a calculated one of extreme cynicism.–(Jill Bains)
"Of all the explanations for Barack Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, the one that rang truest came from French President Nicolas Sarkozy. "It sets the seal on America's return to the heart of all the world's peoples."
In other words, this was Europe's way of saying to America, "We love you again"--sort of like those weird "renewal of vows" ceremonies that couples have after surviving a rough patch"
Are you kidding, Naomi?: First of all, neither Sarkozy nor the Norwegian Nobel Committee speak for "Europe" meaning European citizens (like me).
If a bunch of Norwegian professors (acting as "advisors" to the Nobel Committee) sees fit to recommend giving a peace prize to the "Commander in Chief" of the most destructive military machine on earth and the president of a "superpower" that strives for "full spectrum dominance" - what can one say? War is peace, ignorance is strength....
(more on the (hidden) logic of this decision by the Nobel committee can be found here:
http://uglyrumors.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/nobel-peace-prize-merchants-of-death/
The neoliberal "would-be Napoleon" Sarkozy, who is called "l'americain" in France, is one of the most despised and mistrusted politicians in Europe and when he and Britain's Gordon Brown recently stood beside Obama during a press briefing, pontificating about the danger of Iran's nuclear programme, many Europeans felt a strong urge to throw a shoe (or a heavier object)at the TV screen ... to hit this "trio infernal" or "trio hypocritical" as these three countries have done more for nuclear proliferation than Iran ever will...
(France sold nuclear equipment to Iraq, Britain and the US to the Shah of Iran... to say nothing about the silence about Israel's nuclear weapons ...)
So, please take note of the fact Naomi, that Sarkozy is not voicing our opinions...
The majority of Europeans (at least those under 50, who know who Noam Chomsky is) still feel about US policies the same way, as they did under Bush or earlier presidents (the only exception was probably Kennedy):
"oderint dum metuant" - has it really changed under Obama? Was it only obvious under Bush? No,...only more blatant...
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h030403.html
Remember the Nobel Prize Speech of Harold Pinter? (the second part about US foreign policy)
http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=620&player=2
This represents more accurately, what most (younger) Europeans feel "in their hearts" about US policies (not the American people, but the feudal lords that are their real "government"..)
P.S.
A state that grants "capital insurance", financed by taxpayers, in the trillions to its biggest banks (crooks) - see the interview with Bill Black here on CD) but is unwilling to provide health insurance to all its citizens is morally bankrupt...
"The neoliberal "would-be Napoleon" Sarkozy, who is called "l'americain" in France, is one of the most despised and mistrusted politicians in Europe."
Man, I'm glad to hear that. He's televised favorably here in amerika. I find him despicable. I worry about Europe moving to the right. With your medical care, high speed rail, and work on alternative energy you Europeans set one of the better examples in the world. I hate to see you get more like US.
tocqueville22,
As usual I agree with you completely. Thank you for your comment which I think reflects the thoughts of many Europeans. In a way we are in the same situation as Americans, with perhaps the exception of slightly better education and medical systems, both of which by the way are straining their limited budgets and deteriorating in service quality in most countries. It does not mean also that Europe is not seriously “dumbing down” too and ducking for cover towards the various shades of Right. Here in Portugal despite the nominal Socialist Party being in power, they leave no word unspoken for the troubles of the working masses or rather the growing unemployed, while every dead and action is to secure the profits of banks and corporations. They're about as socialist as New Labour.
Americans and Europeans share the fate of an apparently delusional elite without the capacity or the inclination to lead anyone anywhere, while playing harps to the tides of outrageous fortunes that seem to come in so unexpectedly like clockwork. Mad, you say…yes totally. And as the disasters, be they total disconnects on security / NATO / Afghan / Pakistan, or the deconstruction of agreement on emissions initiatives to mitigate climate change, or the hypocrisy of a European constitution in the guise of a treaty, or the financial and economic debacle which has only been temporized, but with little or no reserve plans left in European Central Bank box of tricks or elsewhere to face the next waves other than the harping on of the mad elite, and a call for a mendacious war criminal like Blair to be made Europe’s first President.
Like Americans, Europeans are being turned into the new mindless serfs, held in place by fear, ignorance and debt to serve the corporate/banking run NWO of global disaster capitalism while these useless Nero-like figureheads of less than democratic and impotent governments play their harps at the water’s edge after toasting their own success at the daisy chain games.
Damn it, we need real leaders everywhere.
It sounds like in Europe, the word socialist is actually losing its meaning similar to how capitalism in the USA lost its meaning. One of my aunts lives in Germany and she told me that there is a lot of debating going on concerning the future of education and health care in Europe. I am surprised that a lot of Europeans want to adopt the American system and risk screwing up. I guess too much of a good thing can lead to falling for a devil's offer.
We have leaders everywhere but people need to keep putting pressure on their leaders. I contact my Congress critters and senators once every 1 or 2 weeks even if it's Republicans. People elect leaders and are responsible for coordinating efforts to keep them in check.
Sioux Rose
LUCITANIA: I really appreciate getting news from across "the big water." Your post reminds me that key astrological indicators are no respecter of nations (neither specific persons), and Pluto--the planet mandated to tear down, in order to rebuild--is now transiting Capricorn, the sign of government, and given its resonance with Saturn, lord of the Old Testament, it pushes very conservative (fear-based, really) themes while in this sign. The grip of the world's elites, through technological improvements in mass surveillance and ungodly weapons have become very efficient when it comes to crowd, a/k/a population control. Since the elites are gaming the system to favor bankers from sea to polluted sea, as opposed to the needs of civilian populations, just as Obama lowered the bar when it came to leadership's RESPONSIBILITY towards improving life for citizens via the path of sound long-term ecological accountability, we are likely going to see more and more reductions in the basic quality of life that everyman/everywoman experiences.
The equivalent of cosmic critical mass involves planets in all four of the Zodiac's cardinal signs, and two key players "get into position" (reflecting the ART of cosmic behind-the-scenes choreography) in several weeks, with MAJOR events from June through August NEXT year. Perhaps the frog in the pot with temperatures gradually rising does not speak only for the unfortunate citizens of our dying republic... as they may not be alone to face "the boiling point."
Whoa ! Black magic and politics ! Now that's pretty dangerous but kool. I gotta get some of that dust to try out. Some people call me the fixed frog you mention for sounding a bit too practical to them.
"After extracting all sorts of deletions from the negotiating text... the Obama administration decided to boycott anyway..."
That's pretty much the game the R-nuts have been running on the D-wimps since Jan 21: force all sorts of deletions from any and every piece of proposed legislation (in the name of 'bi-partisanship') and then vote against any and every piece of proposed legislation anyway.
Who the hell said there's no difference between the two corporate-owned-and-operated political parties?
APPARENTLY - the "Coming of Obama" is like the "SEcond Coming of Christ" - as far as the USA is concerned regarding its "role" in the world.
take a look at what Hillary Clinton, US State Secretary AGAIN "enjoined" russia (and presumably all other countries it chooses to lecture to) to
"end the cold war mentality and REFORM and be more *politically inclusive* and uphold *western values*".....
meaning the USA dictum of course - circa - the Corporatocratic oligarchies that shredded Russia apart in the 1990 at the behest of the USA:
PUTIN must be laughing and could barely stop himself from bitch-slapping Hillary....
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Oct 17, 2009
THE ROVING EYE
Putin lays down law for Clinton
By Pepe Escobar
For the (Western) news cycle, what stood out from United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's visit to Russia this week was an "appeal for cooperation" and a "challenge" for Russia to open up its political system, embrace "diversity" and shelve Cold War thinking.
Who's fooling whom? One might be forgiven to picture a torrent of laughter echoing in the Kremlin's corridors - later washed down with prime Stoli vodka - especially considering Washington's current poor standing in the world, as well as those usual suspects, "Western values"; and the fact that Russian intelligentsia has been pointing out for years that it is Washington hawks who are still in fact mired in the Cold War. Such a pity that
Iran hawk Hillary did not cross paths with chess master Vladimir.
Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had better things to do - he was away in Beijing for a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). In Beijing, Putin bluntly told the US not to intimidate Iran, stressing that more sanctions were "premature"; what was needed was an "agreement". Hillary was thrown by judo expert Putin - and she did not even see it coming. Yet Hillary still had time to spin on American TV that if the "international community" approved more sanctions on Iran, Russia would follow.
That's not what Putin - or Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov - said, or what the leadership in Beijing thinks.
Lavrov, although slightly more diplomatic than Putin, defined sanctions as "counter-productive". That's still essentially Putin - and Beijing - thinking. As for Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, he may have implied no opposition to further sanctions - but as a last resort, and way, way further in the future, not by the imminent December deadline flashing red in Washington's minds.
Lavrov went straight to the point, saying, "We want to resolve all issues relating to Iran's nuclear program, so that that country can make full use of its rights as a non-nuclear member of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and of all opportunities arising from this connected with the use of peaceful nuclear energy." This means "all efforts should be employed to maintain the negotiating process" - and not advance a US/European deadline threat enveloped by the usual demonization of Iran campaign.
Putin plays Pipelineistan
As the architect of Russian gas monopoly Gazprom's seduction of China, Putin had more urgent things to do in Beijing than to listen to Hillary carping in Moscow. It was no understatement when he said, "China is a colossal market. The diversification of supplies is a very important direction for Gazprom." More than anyone, Putin knows that the name of the (New Great) Game is Pipelineistan.
Gazprom is bent on full strategic cooperation with Beijing. It's not only about Pipelineistan spreading to China - one pipeline from western Siberia, ready by 2015, another one from eastern Siberia, requiring a lot of Chinese investment. The plan includes the expansion of joint projects in Siberia and even in other countries.
This falls under what is known across Asia as the Asian Energy Security Grid. A key element of the grid is what the Russians have called the Eastern Gas Program - gas Pipelineistan from production to transportation, coordinated by Gazprom, not only to China but to all points across the Asia-Pacific. Another front is the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean oil pipeline.
Much has been made of a Moscow-Beijing rift on pricing (Putin dismissed it, announcing an imminent agreement to set gas prices according to an Asian oil basket). Anyway, that's just a technical issue. On a geopolitical level, the juiciest morsel is that Gazprom is wiling to commit to China almost half of the gas volume it is currently exporting to Western Europe - and this while the Chinese are also finishing a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan. Unlike oil - 4 million barrels a day - China still does not import a lot of natural gas. But it will - because it needs it, and Russia knows it.
It's not all roses, though. Alexander Lukin, director of the Center for East Asian and SCO Studies at Moscow State University for International Relations, warns, "Russia will become nothing more than a raw materials appendage of China - just as it has already become for Europe."
What's the bottom line - for the moment? No further US-led sanctions against Iran is a key consensus of the SCO, which interlocks Russian, Chinese and Iranian interests - Iran is an observer of the SCO. For the SCO, the importance of an Asian Energy Security Grid is paramount. (See New Great Game revisited, Asia Times Online, July 25-26, 2009).
This goes directly against the Pentagon-driven, full spectrum dominance-style, US hegemonic designs on Central Asia and Iran. It was Putin who floated the idea of Iran enriching uranium in Russia in the first place - now a palpable way out for the Iranian nuclear impasse. As for Hillary, she could do worse than drown her own carping in vodka.
Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).
He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com.
(Copyright 2009 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)
Enough with the peace prize talk and enough with the Obama bashing. Worshipping or bashing him does no good. Our leaders are a culmination of who we are as a society. A nation of selfish will elect selfish leaders. Last year, 46% of those who voted wanted to continue the wars while half of the 53% who voted for Obama wanted some kind of a balanced approach to feeling strong and going peace. That makes it possible that 70% of those who voted are still prowar and are a bad influence on Obama. We're a nation of oil guzzling and are the main reason we allow presidents and Congress critters to wage wars. I don't approve of Obama's actions and am also outraged but until we reach consensus on solving climate change and wars, most of us will continue to vote for that representation.
Shawn,
I guess that makes you "selfish" as you stated in a previous post that you voted for Obama.
You are concerned about reaching a consensus on how to "solve wars".
How about this: don't start them. Elect a President that will establish a Peace Department. And don't elect a candidate for President that is clearly imperialistic.
Would anyone else like to jump in and join Shawn's consensus she is looking for on war and climate change? Anybody pro-war and pro-climate change out there on progressive Common Dreams site?
Sue, I'm a man, not a woman.
I'm not selfish just because I voted for Obama. The majority voted for him. Does that make them selfish?
To understand how to end wars, you must first understand the root cause and it is not just the politicians.
You really expect me to believe that creating a Peace Dept will stop and prevent wars? How so?
So now you think I'm pro-war and pro-climate change?
This is the problem with people like Sue and Jill. Like 5 year olds, they're still warped up in campaign mode jumping up and down screaming against Obama instead of being realistic and practical. I'm outraged at Obama and would like to scream my head off at him but I don't find that helpful. Instead, I would like to continue fighting for progressive causes by putting pressure on Congress when it is not election season.
Shawn, sorry. You are the one who stated that a selfish public will elect selfish leaders and that you voted for Obama.
Obama is in the driver's seat. As President, he can use executive orders, as Bush did, to execute the will of the people. Not to mention the fact that Congress crowed endlessly about what they could and would accomplish prior to having the majority. So what's up with that?
I will not release the individual, whoever that may be, a member of Congress or the President from responsibility for their actions.
Who, then is running the show if not our elected officials? Clearly, it is not the American people.
Please do keep after Congress. I am not saying we should not exercise our right to free speech. I do.
Not sure why Shawn Berry has provoked such response.
i think he is saying that we need to focus on what is actually happening, not on names or personalities.
What is so effed about that?
Thank you. This is what I'm talking about. No politician is perfect. We all try to elect good leaders. Sometimes we elect what we perceive to be the lesser of the evils and try to get them on our side. Even if the most idealistic third parties won, we are still responsible for keeping the pressure on them so that they don't end up shilling for the special interests. One politician alone cannot make a difference. There are other branches of government and then there are the big businesses who influence for which we need to counter by putting our own pressure on the representatives to back away from those corporate dollars.
Shawn I appreciate your dedication but your points are moot.
One politician alone , if he is the President can make a hugh difference especially in this era of unitary presidency.
Would it meet your requiments if people wrote that the president is a corporate drone rather than saying Obama is a corporate drone.
Remember all the mindless were complaining about Bush bashing until almost everyone realized he needed to be Bashed.
Perhaps Obama has a more sensitive personality and some good hard bashing might make him wake up and smell the roses.
One really can not seperate issues from the person implementing them.
Do you not say Hiltler, or Stalin or Mao in the same breath when saying genocide ?
Glenn, the president can make a difference but our Founding Fathers saw to it that the president would not become a ruling dictator. That is why A legislative branch and a judicial branch were created. The reason I say that we need to keep the pressure on Congress and the president is that Congress has been influenced by big corporations while people have had very little influence. Why is the NRA doing so strong while even Planned Parenthood isn't? People have a few important roles to play too and voting is just one of them.
Again, bashing or worshipping Obama or any leader for that matter does no good. I don't care about Obama's personality. I don't like what he is doing but I know that he wants to work with Congress. How about we influence Congress so that Obama can work with a different mood of Congress and be a liberal without fear?
Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were in different systems where dictatorships were possible. Obama is not a dictator even if his actions are goofy and outrageous. Calling Obama Hitler is like Rick Santorum calling Democrats nazis. I'm outraged that Obama is making the wrong decision on Afghanistan but most members of both parties of Congress are fine with it even if we are not. I have been raising concerns on Afghanistan also to my congressman and senators. What would Congress and Obama be today if we never gave up putting pressure on them to listen to us?
"Enough with the peace prize talk and enough with the Obama bashing. Worshipping or bashing him does no good."–(Shawn Berry)
–Wrong. This is nonsense.
Certainly "worshipping" Obama is a moral travesty, if not an intellectual crime, but the same is hardly true of its opposite. Typical Obama "bashing" from the so called Progressives "does no good" because it is not yet extreme enough as political consciousness; it is too timid to be worthy of the true awfulness of its subject.
The Obama Neo-fascist agenda is what it is irrespective of whether it reflects on the value of a fundamentally reactionary populace or not.
Naomi Klein's summary 'judgement' furnishes a new, not so obvious perspective on just how baleful the Obama catastrophe actually is; not only is it inherently reactionary, but its disgraceful example allows other nations to follow suit.
That cannot be stressed often enough or strongly enough, nor is it common knowledge. Stressing just what a nefarious cabal are the Western-Capitalist nations and how inimically conjoined they are–despite cosmetic differences–should always be kept in mind.
The contempt for Obama must be ratcheted up–driven by substantive criticism such as these of Naomi Klein. All she does is state 'facts' in ways categorically different than those of the neanderthal right wing.
"That makes it possible that 70% of those who voted are still prowar and are a bad influence on Obama." –(Shawn Berry)
–You bring up a salient point about the true pro-war disposition of the American voting public. I would think, if anything, your 70% figure is not high enough and America is even more malignantly pro-war than any of us can imagine.
There are no countervailing forces in the society or culture to mitigate the desire for war and state terror. A majority of the population even are supportive of torture, in some form or another.
But you are wrong to say the populace 'influence' Obama or the Neo-fascist elites he represents.That is naïve at best, and silly at worst. American politics no longer works by 'influence.' 95% of the population could be anti-war, and their influence on Obama would be negligible.
American Democracy is a grotesque fiction. There are no 'politics' in America. Wake up and smell the darkness. –(Jill Bains)
I don't mind praise and dissent. What I mind is praise or dissent without meaning. I have plenty to shout at Obama about but what good does it do? We're all losers anyway. We could elect third parties but only 1.5% of those who voted chose someone other than Mccain or Obama. I voted for Obama out of practical reasons but I have my regrets. We the people have the power to influence our elected officials. The best of our powers lies in voting at the polling booth. The rest is a matter of learning to communicate with your representatives and keep at it. I do it once every 1 or 2 weeks even if I don't expect anything and I share it with my neighbors and coworkers. Some like it, some hate it. That's politics. If you think that there is no politics in America, you are mistaken.
War is a result of not being able to compromise or not wanting to try to compromise. Iraq is a result of the latter. We went to war for our oily needs and will stay there until most people finally come to a consensus that we cannot afford it or are ready to try better workarounds. One workaround is blending switchgrass with oil and reducing our dependence significantly. That would also reduce global warming even for SUV drivers like myself who carry lots of office material between business location points. There are other ideas too.
Time does not permit me to respond to all that is utterly absurd in this posting.
As it stands, it furnishes a near classic 'text-book' example of the delusional quality of American Liberalism at its most inane.
"Compromise, compromise, compromise." My ass!
There are no compromises with fascism.
"Stop shaking the tyrant's bloody robes in my face, or I will believe that you wish to put Rome in chains."
–(Maxamillien Robespierre, "Virtue and Terror.")
–(Jill Bains)
You did not read my post and are posting off the road drivel. When I said compromise, I was talking about sitting down and settling things out before going to war. What was absurd about that? You remind me of some on this site who go off like loose cannons instead of sitting down and listening. Where do I say that I support fascism? I don't and you're only making up bullshit. Do you really know what makes up wars? Of course not. I'm as outraged as you are but I don't go wailing about it. Instead, I do my part to moderate and contribute to changing the system. Do you have a few moments to sit and meditate?
Good for you, Shawn! Filling up our Congress critter's database is our sacred duty. If it seems like he or she is not responding, the common assumption is that the people just aren't pushing hard enough and deserve their wretched fate. Thus, the public becomes conditioned to always blame itself, rather than the Congressperson elected through corporate dollars. (Some call this the FDR maxim, the Obama "make me do it," or the Dave Lindorff defense, etc., etc.)
I think you've absorbed this lesson well and should continue with your database-filling efforts. When you've grown weary of doing this, and read more about the awful continuum of the Democratic-Republican corporate duopoly, then you'll likely turn into a progressive, and you'll start thinking about voting third party.
Many people here know the routine all too well, but I'm glad to hear you're a trooper. It's an admirable quality, until it gets tedious. If it helps to call people whiners about third parties, by all means do that. But I suspect you'll be coming around eventually, on the bye and bye. Just keep your laser-like focus on the issues, and you can be assured of it.
-TIA
We're getting nowhere here, Shawn. You're just repeating yourself in post after post.
Are you really helping progressive causes by writing to your Congresspersons? Maybe. It's good to do something, but if Congress doesn't respond - even with majority control in both chambers of Congress, plus the White House - then it's time for a rethink. I've been writing to my Congressional representatives for many years, and I've never seen Congress turn around from a very narrow corporate agenda that I oppose.
If Dem-voting loyalists would stop voting for Democratic Party candidates, there'd be hope for change. I'm saying that progressive ideas aren't represented by the Democratic Party. I'm also saying that once you've elected them, they will stick to the agenda of their campaign funders - corporations.
Which gets Obama's ear - your letter or $1 million in campaign funding from Goldman Sachs?
You are wrong about third parties in every respect but one: they have no money. On that, you're correct.
Keep voting for Democrats and writing letters all you want. Albert Einstein is credited with saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.
I don't think you're insane - that's why I think you'll eventually come around to supporting a third party. If you want to bash us here for thinking differently, well that's part of the evolutionary process, I guess. Maybe you could hear us out some time, though. There are very good reasons for taking the third-party approach. Winning elections isn't the point. It's more important that citizens understand what resistance they face from the Dem-Repug duopoly.
-TIA
TIA, I feel sorry that people who run as third parties are getting nowhere even if they honest about what they really want to do. I don't see any organization, infrastructure, reaching out, etc ... from those parties.
Why are you only focusing on destroying the Democrats? The Republicans also need to be eradicated from the picture. For a third party to succeed, it must cut through both Republicans and Independents. The Republican and Democratic parties will each have their loyal set of voters. The rest are open for the taking. If you say that only all Democrats must switch to third party or else, you are implying that you support the Republicans.
I may write a letter to Obama while Goldman Sachs gives millions of dollars to him. Does that always means that people will lose. Not if a million people write to Obama with a firm tone. Millions of people should continue putting pressure on Congress and Obama and force Goldman Sachs to spend their money and then make it clear who Obama sides with. If by then he sides with the millionaries even after everyone can see through all this, then the third party has a stronger case to win the otherwise gullible voters.
TIA, it's hard to make any sense of half of what you wrote other than you trying to sound like a clown. Congress already has a database of you and me regardless of contacting them or not. Instead of wasting time posting Obama-trashing posts, I try other means of helping to achieve a cause. I am already outraged at both parties but third parties lack the money, ideas, motivation, ability to forge a consensus, and are filled with my way or the highway losers trashing it. I don't know if your post is supposed to be some kind of a joke or not but you're doing a great job hurting third parties than I would ever dream of. By all means, turn your magical thoughts into actions your way and vote third party which you only get to do once in every 4 years while the rest of us keep fighting for progressive causes. If you like third parties, then why not help build them and show the 99% of us who vote Democrat or Republican what they offer for us to like about them rather than hurting them as you currently do? I don't worship or hate Obama or third parties.
What if all the democrats abandoned their duly elected criminals and voted for the same third party. Now that is probably more likely to happen under the current power structure than Democrats becoming honest representatives of the citizens.
How do you expect third parties to have any chance of winning if you are asking only the democrats to switch to third party? What about the Republicans? Let us be realistic. There is a lot for the left and the right to be outraged at the Democrats but until a third party has plenty of money, influence, think tanks, focus groups on its side, and can cut through both Republicans and Democrats, it won't matter how bad the current power structure is. Governor Tim Pawlenty is already sounding like someone who can hold on to the Republican vote and sway a lot of moderate to conservative Democrats on his side. In the last election, The Republicans won 60 million voted while the Democrats won 70 million votes. Your assumption relies on the third party being as strong as the current Democratic Party and ready for takeover. That is less likely to happen whereas the third party ripping into 30 million votes from each of those parties stands a higher chance.
"Where do I say that I support fascism?" –(Shawn Berry)
You don't have to 'say' explicitly you support fascism. No one, not even on the troglodyte right wing sites, is stupid enough to cop to that.
Without saying you actually do support fascism, the truth of your unconscious support fairly reeks through your text.
One of the wonders of American fascism is that its adherents do not know themselves they support it; they will tell you anything but: You, despite your denials, seem to be among these unknowing.
But, don't be ashamed, It is a learning process. As Lenin said, "Learn, learn, and learn."
You are not about "changing the system,"only perpetuating it. Your whole discourse, over various postings, is fairly clear on that.
I do not have to 'read' your postings although I did. No worries. Ignorance can be unlearned. –(Jill Bains)
Bashing or complaining is also known as dissent.
Most of the people I know would never become the people found in DC
"Bashing or complaining is also known as dissent." –(glenn ford)
–Correct.
The economic 'disaster' transferred trillions of dollars to its Elite engineers. I wonder if the Elites, expert prognosticators with quality information, are silently preparing for eco-disaster, while distracting us with dance contests and pretend elections.
Yes.
Viva Chevaz. I look with Populist Hope at all of South America.
Strange indeed that Russia and China Really ARE a needed check on the Corporatocracy Ruled USA Inc. and its' Global Imperialist Quest.
I want my nation back and Reaganizm killed.
"Lining up behind Obama, with his impeccable reputation, was an easy way [for Europe and other comparatively wealthy nations] to avoid burdensome international obligations and appear progressive at the same time - a service the United States was never able to provide during the Bush years."
On point, concise, and very well said.
Bill from Saginaw
I have recently returned from almost three weeks sojourn in Europe (Netherlands and Germany). It is astonishing how uncritically the elites of these countries adore President Obama as if he were the real Messiah. These people know almost nothing of what the Obama administration has done, yet swoon when his name is mentioned and got angry at me when I dared to utter a mild criticism of our President. Scary.
Obama is to liberals what Reagan was to conservatives.
Being admired by decadent states is not something we aspire to. Nor is it the job of the President of the United States to be multilateral. His only job, sworn to as he took office is quite plain. If you don't understand it, read that oath.
"And where Kyoto put the burden of responsibility squarely on the rich countries that created the climate crisis"
Statements like this are beginning to resemble Bush's reasoning for attacking Iraq.
Oh whoopdee doo ! So Obama makes a few decorations here and there and in the meantime the PUBLIC LAVA keeps getting hotter and redder. Where the heck are those "green" jobs? Why the hell are we still relying on coal and preparing to blow up another mountain just to scarf and snort all that coal? Why are we continuing Iraq and adding Af/Pak and calling that "peace" ? Ms Klein had better realize that the American people are up in arms and just yesterday, one of our Republican delegates had his staff selling "Obama, take your peace prize and shove it up you a** !" stickers selling like hotcakes. Most of these customers were seniors and veterans who keep cool last year knowing that Mccain would lose but they're back and they're gonna help tear the Democratic Party to shreds starting with this gubernatorial election. You can talk all you want about "climate change" and "peace" but as long as nothing meaningful is coming from it, expect more people to say "I wanna straight shooter. I'm voting Republican !" Hell, even Joe Biden's son won't necessarily find it easy to win that Senate seat on a silver platter !
maxpayen, you forgot to say:
This is all by design! When the Democrats lose their triple majority, they will have their excuse back. Until then, all they have to do is obfuscate.
This is your two-party in action, folks.
Well said, Maxpayne.
Do not forget he approved importing Tar Sands Oil a few weeks ago.
It was either the Tar sands of the coastal areas that would be the sacrificial lambs for the oil monopolies. Either way, it's a lose-lose.
History will record that Obama, who was born of a Kenyan father, was the worst thing to come along for Africans and African Americans who are being hit hardest by the global depression. A Pyrrhic victory for self-image, the essence of the struggle is being hollowed out, and co-opted by those who want to return to the bad old days of colonialism.
Climate change is the same thing, where developing countries are being sold out, while the rich -- mostly white -- countries, have a new mask to hide their essentially imperialist attitudes. That the mask is that of an African makes the the whole charade that much more insidious.
Nader said he has an excessively concessionary personality. Such personalities will always sell out their own people in exchange for a nice pat on the back from the rich and powerful.
Bravo, Ceti, I too think you hit the nail on the head. The whole business of political advertising -- to get people to go against their own best interests. Of course, this would be difficult in a country with a real media and good education. Those were the essential coups de grace.
"History will record that Obama, who was born of a Kenyan father, was the worst thing to come along for Africans and African Americans ... A Pyrrhic victory for self-image..." –(ceti)
–Yes. A catastrophe for African-Americans would not be too strong a word. Grimly, if not obscenely ironic.
The continuing de facto 'genocide' of the black populace in America can be more effictively carried out by one of their own. To be in a position to cheer on one's own annihilation is the consummate act of American racism, being the more ironic as it is self-administered by its very victims.
The sanguinary cost of the triumph of the image in American culture.
A fine posting. –(Jill Bains)
That is what MALCOLM X called the " HOUSE NEGRO". People like O bomb A. Well said ceti.
You don't need a detailed analysis to convince me that Obama has achieved next to nothing for peace in nine months as the new US president.
American boys and girls in US uniform are still killing people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, using depleted uranium which will continue to burn living creatures for billions of years. Really!
The official 9/11 story with all its absurdities and murderous implications is still told.
Israel, the Zionists and their extraordinary lies are still magically good.
Trillions of dollars, the equivalent of how many ordinary men/hours? were given to a few, little-known men, without a plan for peace, except that this money wasn't all spent of war, yet.
For a start, all what Obama has to do is to say, live on TV: "Dear Americans and citizens of the world, you have been lied to for many years. But before I tell you more about this, you should know that I just gave the order to bring all our soldiers home from *every country* where they are based. Yes, *every country*. The US will close all its military bases located abroad, because we don't need them, and then we'll abolish our army like Costa Rica did in 1948. From now on, we will buy what we need like the Chinese do, because we really believe in the free market, which means that we don't need any soldier to help us fix the price of anything, the oil included. Now about Israel, please listen carefully..."
But that's impossible, because the only job of the US president is to give a smile (or a smirk) to the decisions of the international corporate powers that be.
"American boys and girls in US uniform are still killing people in Iraq"
They are also being killed there.
"American boys and girls in US uniform are still killing people in Iraq" They are also being killed there. –(Henry8)
–So what? Maybe they should be hailed with roses and feted at Iraqi soirées for acts in the public good?
The point is to drive them out by any means possible. That Obama has actually INCREASED the quantitative, specifically military nature of the imperial occupation obviously means that there never were never any serious withdrawal plans. Nor will there be.
Until the odious 'Green Zone' is razed into ashes and every American military base destroyed, then praise the Iraqi dead. And only them.
To be anti-war is to be on the side of the Iraqi resistance, not shed 'crocodile' tears for their fascist oppressors.
Specious sentimentality for the American war dead is nothing but a disingenuous masking for pro war consciousness made by those who profess to be anything but.
It is the classic liberal nostrum testifying to the complete enervation of American politics, to the point of revealing its essential non-being. This stupidity always says: "We shouldn't be in Iraq, but..."
"Stop shaking the tyrant's bloody robes in my face, or I will believe that you wish to put Rome in chains."
–(Maxamillien Robespierre, "Virtue and Terror.")
And:
"To punish the oppressors of humanity: that is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity." –(Maximilien Robespierre)
And:
"That which produces the general good is always terrible." –(Saint-Just).
–(Jill Bains)
I posted a response to Bliss Doubt on this and that same response applies to you too.
We don't suffer the civilian losses that they have in Iraq. If your country were invaded, you would maintain the moral high ground by not fighting back? Don't forget, the WMD thing, the basis of our going there, was a big pack of lies, a manufactured threat.
Henry8 does not support the war in Iraq and he hasn't bought into Bush's lies. He himself admitted to serving in Vietnam on one of his posts sometime ago. He understands the loss of civilians and I don't think he approves of it. He also does not approve of our Congress critters throwing soldiers into meaningless wars and getting slaughtered. Not for one minute do I think that most of these soldiers anticipated what they're being thrown into today.
Civilians fighting back is another matter. I don't support their violence either but I understand the environment that is driving them to this madness. Without the weapons needed to defend themselves and with the lands being depleted of oil for our greed, they may be justified in fighting back. The soldiers are only a symptom of our country's addiction to oil.
Why is it, War Machine Berry,
That you feel you must solicit respect for a fictitious screen name who used to call himself Thomas Moore? This sock puppet parade of yours fools nobody. His mindless, content-less posts speak for themselves. No Veteran of Vietnam I know is so devoid of content, so devoid of passion. Most of you Pentagon trolls have never even been in a war. I have. I very much doubt "Henry the Eighth" has ever served in combat.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
The real Thomas Jefferson had a lot more maturity than the fake ThomasJefferson you hide yourself behind. The real Thomas Jefferson would not call Shawn Berry a war machine. I am not Thomas Moore fyi.
You know what's the matter with you? You are paranoid and act like a scared child with your name calling. You don't care to end the wars you say you are against. I don't work for the Pentagon and I haven't seen war but I have met plenty of Vietnam War veterans in my life. Some of them supported the war, some didn't and that's the same with any war. The real Thomas Jefferson would analyze the root causes of our nation at wars and try to stop the Federalists. You hide behind a famous presidential name and lobe names at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Isn't ironic that the fake ThomasJefferson violates the quote about tyranny?
Mr/Mrs Berry,
Your posts seem Neo-conservative to me. Your posts seem pro-war. It seems you don't really feel that civilians have the right to defend themselves from an 80 percent accidental casualty rate. You begrudgingly allow them this generosity. How long before your kind of dangerous thinking shows up in the practice of crowd control at NorthCom in the Continental US?
These are crimes against humanity in Gaza and in Pakistan and they must be stopped before they spread all over the world. But you seem oblivious to this.
Perhaps I was, indeed, unfair to you. I apologize. In this media, without facial expressions and tone of voice it is difficult to assess why someone could be so callous to the horrific spectacle of millions being driven from their homes in the name of pipeline profits to India.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Nowhere did I indicate that I was pro-war. You are making up bullshit against my posts. I am not pro-war if you ever bothered to read what I had written. Nowhere did I say that civilians don't have the right to defend themselves. I only said that the soldiers' presence is a symptom of our addiction to oil. In so many ways, oil is used and our reliance on foreign oil is the culrpit. All I am doing is explaining the causes. That is not neoconservative. Go back and study the definition and learn to read carefully before jumping the gun. You sound just as destructive as the neoconservative Repugs.
Gaza has nothing to do with this article.
Pipeline profits don't go to India. They go to oil monopolies. India has nothing to do with this article either.
So Shawn continues the bizarre. "Gaza has nothing to do with this article"DEAD WRONG You seem contentious just to be contentious.The world 's heart was touched by GAZA Many knew nothing about GAZA until the beacon of CAST LEAD shone there. The Atrocities there and the evil of an agenda by world elitist/war profiteers and instigated by Zionists had to be a wake up call to any sane human being.Zionist ISRAEL with their 300 nuclear weapons poised on IRAN and who ever else stands in their way is THE DANGER. Threat of extinction,endorsed by the paid complicit USSA, IS the greatest FEAR facing every human being.The rest of our concerns are a bit minuscule in comparison.
KLEIN by omission,that of mentioning Zionists pension for aggression,distortions, lies and deception and her focus on nonsense, shows clearly that she is a Charlatan.I once cautiously respected her but no more. She could be a new york times lackey
Gaza has nothing to do with this article unless you can prove that it does. Give one quote from the article that discusses Gaza. Stick to the topic.
So, You are for immediately ending all the wars and bringing the troops home this week? You didn't type that. It didn't sound like it from reading your posts. Look Shawn, the main pipeline IS going to INDIA and to the ARABIAN SEA from the CASPIAN SEA via Afghanistan and Pakistan as far as we know. GoogleEarth confirms this route.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
And the profits made by industry in India is predicated on cheap energy. Those profits ARE going to Indian Multinational corporations exploiting cheap labor (including wall street.) Obviously, the transit-fee profits go to the oil cartels. The same thing is happing in Gaza but for water, for land. Locals are being exterminated for land speculation via illegal Israeli settlements. But simple correlation like that seems to be way over your head.
If you're not a NeoCon troll, why does it bother you when I attack the bushmonkey or the NeoCONs?
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
You just contradicted your own argument about profits going to India. Oil is going to Pakistan and India, not profits.
Multinational corporations are not necessarily Indian based. Most of them are western based. Saudi Arabia and the oil companies are the profiteers, not India. They use Islamofascism and Christofascism to fool you.
If you are not a NeoCon troll, then why do you keep acting like another neocon repug disguised in progressive drag?
The real Thomas Jefferson isn't stupid unlike the person hiding behind that alias.
Sioux Rose
TJ: You're very intuitive (and/or astute). Indeed, the trolls are out and often dominate threads. I'm not sure if it's just the "art of the imbed" to secure data, or a desire to direct the conversation itself; or something more insidious than either of those options identifies. I see what you see, too.
Well if it isn't the queen of black magic lacking independence and calling people trolls. Did you read what I had to say so far or are you just hiding behind a liar's back because you have a problem with dissent?
Sioux Rose
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Shawn: I think you are a knee JERK authoritarian who can only think inside the box, and that's why under the cover of politeness, you try to make any with REAL ideas for change feel marginalized. You must have put 15-20 responses on this thread but you're not a deep, profound, or original thinker. You are an apologist for the status quo, and only a born again Christian fundamentalist IDIOT would equate astrology, an ancient science and study of profound correspondences with black magic. Personally, I think you're an imbecile, an opinion shared by any who have read your posts over time. And I also think you post under a number of names, an identity made evident by its banal and redundant observations and canned opinions. I am not interested in debating you, or really interacting with you in the least. But when idiots demonize MY field they will be taken to task for it. I'd beat you in any debate on just about any subject. However, I consider my time too precious to waste on the likes of you. Maybe you'll grow a consciousness from the forum, but then again, like other trolls, you prove too programmed to make the absorption of novel thinking even impossible. Enjoy life IN the box.
Well well well, such hateful talk coming from someone who relies mainly on astrology to explain things when she lacks facts. Do you read what you write half of the time? Your post is the most childish name-calling post I have ever read on this thread. You call people who think differently authoritarian and here you are trying to be one yourself. You have no right to judge my thinking skills since you offer none for half of your posts on this site. You do well when you get off your confusing astrology talk but you piss off and confuse a lot of readers when you write a lot of black magic bs. I'm not a Christian but an atheist but you wouldn't know that. I don't post under multiple identities. I may share opinions with other people but I do not post under multiple names. Your name-calling is sophomoric at best and shows your own lack of intelligence and reasoning. I don't generally waste time on this site posting every day like you do. Telling me that you are not interested in debating me and then bragging that you would beat me in any debate is the most insanely idiotic statement you could ever make. Nobody cares about astrology. Most people don't study astrology and astrology has nothing to do with the articles on this site. You have no right to call me a troll. You are the one who is programmed to make the absorption of novel thinking even impossible. For everything, you resort to astrological predictions as your answer. That is not thinking. Your ignorance and hatred don't make you a good astrologer whatsoever.
If you were smart, you would learn to contact your Congressman and senators and make yourself clear that your heart is burning watching this nation and other lands being destroyed. I don't waste most of my time on this site posting like you.
You could learn a lot from Gandhi.
That wouldn't happen if they weren't there, but perhaps I see your point: American boys and girls wouldn't be killed in Iraq if their commander in chief hadn't ordered them to go there, or to stay there.
It might not be our commander in chief who did it alone. Without our thirst for oil or inflating the value of Saudi America's oil, would our commander in chief still be sending troops to Iraq or mercenaries for that matter?
//Without our thirst for oil or inflating the value of Saudi America's oil, would our commander in chief still be sending troops to Iraq or mercenaries for that matter?//
Indeed not, and I never thought otherwise.
It's a funny coincidence, that I was discussing this issue with a senior AFP journalist tonight. I told him about the 'inflating the value of Saudi America's oil' hypothesis, and he told me that he had never thought about that.
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Next time you talk to your Journo friend,
Ask him why GWB was financially partnered with Salem Bin Laden (Osama Bin Laden's brother) at GWB's Abusto (later Harken Energy) and why GHWB (Bush's father) as director/chairman of the Carlyle Group had hundreds of transactions with the "Bin Laden Brothers Contracting for Industry".
Ya think maybe they fell out somehow? Ya think maybe setting up former CIA asset Osama Bin Laden as the fall guy was good for war business? Do you think that the fact that "Bin Laden Brothers Contracting for Industry" (now the Bin Laden Group) getting the no-bid contract (with world bank money) to rebuild the city of Lebanon after GWB let it get knocked down is just a huge coincidence? (You knock down our city NYC, and we'll knock down yours. Good for banking business!)
How come the Main Stream Media never covered these little facts, huh? How come Salem Bin Laden mysteriously died in an aircraft accident in Austin Texas in the late 80's after he gave his money to GWB and bush ran the company bankrupt? Very convenient huh? How come we were never told about these interesting tid bits?
I think it's quite possible we're living in a fake Democracy like the British TV program "The Prisoner". "So, number Two, you didn't really think the real truth was going to be permitted to be known did you?" HiSSSSSSSSSSS, Clank! Slam! Back in the town prison he goes.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
The intro dialog from The Prisoner echoes in my brain 40+ years later...
"I am Number Two."
"Who is Number One?"
"You are Number Six."
"I am not a number! I am a free man!"
Touche' !
Brandbama is clearly superior to Brandbush the way Benetton is to be preferred to The Gap or Gain laundry detergent is to be preferred to Cheer or Pepsi is to be preferred to Coke.
The verdict is in and the world court of public opinion clearly concurs.
Now it's on to more important things like who will win the World Series and what in the world Britney Spears is up to!
Poet
"... what in the world Britney Spears is up to"
She's probably getting bonked by Obama.