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Does Anyone in the Healthcare Debate Really Care About Health?
In all of the invectives thrown around during the healthcare dialogue, amidst the shouting of the neo-Brown Shirts and among the talking heads speaking out of both sides of their mouths, something fundamental to the entire issue has somehow been omitted. Lurking just beneath the subterranean rhetorical level of Death Panels and in the myopic fine print of congressional bills, there's an unquestioned assumption at the core that takes healthcare as we practice it here in the U.S. as a good thing, something of which we need more and for more people. Basically, the debate is about who will provide this "good," at what cost, and to whom -- but no one questions the nature of the thing in the first place.
The problem with healthcare in America, so the reasoning goes, is that not everyone has it and the price of it is skyrocketing in a manner that, if left unchecked, will someday soon break the bank (or at least what's left of the bank). And there's a truth in these points: healthcare ought to be a basic human right, it shouldn't be costly to attain, and its maldistribution leads to grave societal injustices. Yet this leaves unaddressed the nature and quality of care, shifting the debate to mere quantity and distribution instead. Simply put, is more of a bad thing somehow to be taken as a good thing? It reminds me of the old joke about the restaurant that serves awful food and, alas, in such small portions.
Let me be unequivocal here for clarity's sake. The healthcare doled out via insurance companies (when they actually even provide coverage) and governments alike is arcane, ineffective, and, at times, brutal. While there is a place for the Western medical model in certain cases, there is absolutely no need for a "pills and surgery" approach to healing in the vast majority of situations. We don't need more healthcare of this sort in the U.S. -- we need less. We shouldn't be left to advocate for a more equitable distribution of an inherently flawed product, but instead ought to be calling for its retrenchment. We cannot let ourselves be consumed by a debate over whether a "misery machine" should be expanded publicly or privately, when it really should be dismantled altogether.
What I'm suggesting may be difficult for some folks to accept. It has become convenient and comfortable for many people to rely on the current healthcare system. Prescriptions for painkillers and their ilk are glad-handed all over the country every day. Radical surgeries are performed routinely in non-life-threatening situations. Giving birth has been rendered an "illness" requiring hospitalization and, oftentimes, surgery if nature doesn't follow the predetermined clock precisely. Children are given full-spectrum vaccinations before they can even walk, and when they start to run are medicated psychotropically if they don't color within the approved lines. Emergency rooms are staffed by everyone except doctors (who still wind up billing you anyway) and are filled to the brim with people lacking true emergencies. And so on.
This is a sick system, and a sickening one too. Most of the reasons for entering the healthcare system could be attended to in myriad other ways that are healthier and more beneficial for individuals and society as a whole. Unfortunately, we've chosen to accept and subsidize in large measure one model of healthcare to the exclusion of competing options. How many plans in existence today provide coverage for midwives, naturopaths, nutritionists, masseuses, or the like? Even in the few cases where they might do so, how many people utilize these services in any event? Let's be real about this: our healthcare plans, and the ones being debated nationally right now, are overwhelmingly about the "pills and surgery" reactive version and hardly at all about proactive, natural options. The only talk even remotely along these lines is about preventive care, but even that becomes about screening and testing for conditions that then will likely require pills and surgery.
Again, there's a place in the spectrum of healing for reactive medicine. Some surgical procedures are necessary and sometimes pharmaceutical products have therapeutic value. Yet while this is a relatively small percentage of the extant cases, its imprudent logic dominates the field to the exclusion of equally viable (if not superior) possibilities. True preventive care -- not just scans and swabs -- including better diets and stress reduction techniques, could serve to obviate the need for much of what passes for healthcare today, and likewise would significantly drive down expenditures. Holistic considerations of the totality of factors that contribute to a healthy person could render the "crisis intervention" form of medicine now widely practiced an exception to the rule of proactive wellbeing.
A few examples may serve to illuminate the point:
* Japan (which spends around 8% of its Gross Domestic Product on healthcare compared to almost twice that in the U.S.) has a universal system made up of various layers from locally-administered national insurance to government-driven fee structuring. People are free to select services of their choice, and they have numerous alternative options including spiritual counseling, folk remedies, herbal medications, massage, and acupuncture. The UN and WHO estimate that Japan has the highest life expectancy and third-lowest infant mortality rate in the world. * New Zealand (which also spends about 8% of its GDP on healthcare) has a public system available to citizens and those "ordinarily resident" (including immigrants there on work permits) that provides free care for all emergency procedures, children's basic dental treatment, and healthcare associated with pregnancy and childbirth including hospital stays. This public plan exists side-by-side with private insurance, and in addition to myriad free services also provides subsidies for visits to chiropractors, osteopaths, and general practitioners. Although less focused on "alternative" remedies than Japan's system, New Zealanders enjoy robust coverage and a life expectancy estimated to exceed 80 years of age. * Jordan (which the CIA estimates has a higher life expectancy than the U.S.) has a healthcare system built largely on public contributions and complemented by the private sector. They are in the top ten countries in terms of low infant mortality and have a high ratio of medical personnel per capita. Free medical services are provided by a number of entities, and over 2/3 of Jordanians receive free public healthcare. Their definition of "health" includes not only medical care but also matters of education, sanitation, wealth distribution, nutrition, habitation, and prenatal programs. Lacking great natural resources, the nation has focused on its "human potential" and this has included a prioritization of healthcare services.
None of these examples are necessarily to be thought of as perfectly applicable to the U.S., and they all have their own flaws and limitations as with anything in this world. But they do ask us to consider that we stand at a moment to reform the current medical system for real and not merely extend the status quo. Let's foment support for a truly healthy public option, one that looks at healthcare as a lifetime pursuit and not merely as crisis intervention. Let's talk about the tainted food supply, the cultural toxification of our bodies and minds, and the disconnection from nature and each other that is part and parcel of our workaday lives. Let's demand full-spectrum, holistic healthcare that provides not only acute care but widespread knowledge and wisdom about self-care as well. Let's pack the town halls not out of spite or anger, but with an alternative model that breaks the stranglehold of the lobbyists and insurance companies. Let's dismantle Big Pharma and replace it with small farms. Let's actually care about health for a change.
Obviously this is all quite polemical, and yet this is the world of discourse in which we find ourselves. Watching this debate unfold, yet again, between two dominant factions on the same side of the coin is just too much to bear. Isn't this how politics often appears in America, as a heated contest between two groups that (at the end of the day) both support war, prop up profligate corporations, centralize bureaucracy, and stick us with the bill? It's bad enough when we're dropped into a forced-choice rubric on matters of technology and economics, but this is our health we're talking about here. It is not an overstatement to say that this involves matters of life and death, so perhaps it's time to bring a little life into the conversation. Yelling "You Lie" at the President isn't quite what I'm talking about here, nor is claiming the mantle of "pro-life" while opposing healthcare reform altogether. We need bold vision now more than ever, not more Congressional charades.
If we're going to have a healthcare system of any sort, it ought to be publicly-held and cooperatively managed. The tepid "public option" being bandied about in Washington -- if you can even bandy something so microscopic -- has all the markings of another privatized public option akin to what we have here in Arizona, the misnamed "Health Care Cost Containment System" (AHCCCS) known colloquially as "Access." This system essentially administers and oversees contracted health plans and services. It is not a truly public option, although it does provide care to people who qualify for medical assistance programs like Medicaid, and its need-based services are available to only a small percentage of people lacking coverage. What it basically does is pay out capped flat fees to private providers for certain services with a focus primarily on acute care. Notably excluded are alternatives such as midwifery, or preventive care involving education or nutrition, and there is little incentive for private providers to actually contain costs in any way but rather to reach the maximum fee given for any particular service. Moreover, the presence of Access has not broken the monopolization of healthcare held in the state by modern-day trusts like United Healthcare and Blue Cross Blue Shield. Far from yielding better care and more choices, this lukewarm "public option" has perpetuated a system that leaves Arizona ranked by the United Health Foundation (as of 2008) as the 33rd healthiest state in the U.S., 40th in terms of public health dollars spent, 43rd in the number of primary physicians, and 45th as to the rate of people left uninsured.
So instead, here's a modest proposal for something different: a public, universal, free healthcare option that can be used for (a) proactive and preventive care and/or (b) bona fide emergencies and chronic conditions. For that middle range of routine procedures, office visits, and garden-variety treatments, there can be subsidization in the form of capped co-payments. People seeking more elaborate coverage will be free to do so in the manner they are now, by purchasing it privately or securing it through their employer. The plan will be financed by tax revenues assigned from the Treasury at an amount not less than 1/2 of the annual military budget, and moreover at least 1/4 of every dollar spent through this system of primary healthcare services will be funneled to health education and nutrition counseling. Healthcare costs will thus be keyed to limiting the ways of war and funding human services. Such a plan would cover everyone and still come in at far less than the $2.5 trillion we are estimated to spend on healthcare this year. Over time the program will cost less as overall health in America improves, reversing the downward spiral we're presently in whereby healthcare costs outstrip the growth of our GDP.
In this manner, the focus of medicine will slowly shift from intervention to prevention as people begin to realize that the best healthcare system in the world is actually their own mind and body, with assistance from their families and communities. The emphasis will be on managing diet and stress, and encouraging exercise and meaningful work, rather than primarily adding more vials to our medicine cabinets. Self-care will be restored to individual hands, and removed from gloved surgical hands, as people take charge of their own patterns of living, practices of consumption, and methods of coping. By primarily subsidizing preventive and emergency care, and discouraging costly and routinely unnecessary procedures, a space will be opened for wider engagement with broad themes of "education and opportunity" as paths to better living. Soon, health will itself become infectious as we all teach each other how to promote wellbeing at every level.
This isn't really all that farfetched, is it? At least it's no more so than doubling-down on an inherently flawed model that seems to have a strong interest in keeping us ill. Come to think of it, the entire healthcare debate has got me feeling a little sick right now. Hmm, I guess the current system is working perfectly after all....
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Show AllRight on target, Mr. Amster. Diet, exercise, daily routine, enough rest, fulfillment of the heart, joy, happiness—and absolutely, STRESS REDUCTION.
Stress is epidemic in the US. And a lot of that stress comes from bad government policies, which itself is rooted in stress.
A stressed population will get a stressed government, which is capable of little more than crisis response, the fight or flight response, the primary way a stressed human system behaves.
The US health care system is just such a system. It is essentially a disease care system, a crisis management system.
Education, real knowledge of life and how to live it without creating problems, is crucial.
Life will always be demanding but the debilitating effects of stress on mind and body can be mitigated and dissolved.
The Transcendental Meditation technique is one very effective way to keep the effects of stress at bay. Six hundred studies have been done worldwide which reveal its great value. And more than six million people worldwide have learned the TM technique, people in all walks of life.
Programs in troubled US schools, teaching TM to the students, are now transforming those schools. Learning is taking place anew, the violence and attention problems recede. The atmosphere of the schools becomes more peaceful, harmonious, much more conducive to learning.
The TM technique is easy to learn, easy to do, and it is completely independent of faith, religion, belief, attitude, or philosophy. It is not a technique of concentration, contemplation, or mind control. It requires no effort. And it typically brings about improved well-being within the first few days of practice.
Only higher knowledge can lift society. The TM technique is very practical knowledge which can enable anyone to live a better, happier life in a very easy, natural way, just by spending 20 minutes twice a day practicing this simple technique.
www.tm.org
www.www.tmeducation.org/
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/
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"In this manner, the focus of medicine will slowly shift from intervention to prevention......"
Allopathic medicine is borderline incompetent at playing the prevention game, because they lack awareness of the most important aspect of prevention, Direct experiential realization of the wholeness of the organism. i am NOT referring to wholeness as a collection of the parts, i am referring to that which is something greater than the totality of the parts. Ancient medicine practices are the champs in this arena and should be utilized mainly for this aspect of health care. On the other hand it is modern medicine who are the champs at life threatening situations and fully developed diseases. I would caution those who might be taken in by modern medicines attempt to play the wholeness/prevention game because you will most likely get a co opted version. The reason is in the mechanics of the methods. modern medicine utilizes the objective aspect of gaining knowledge ie; observer and object of observation. while ancient medicine utilizes subjective cognition. A process that demands the full realization of the wholeness of awareness and then with this as the primary ingredient, the researcher introduces a question inside of this wholeness and because this wholeness is a field of all possibilities ,the specifics of the inquiry are extracted from the wholeness. One final thing that might be of interest. The doctors of ancient chinese medicine would only get paid if their patients remained disease free. If the patients became ill, the doctor was not paid because his or her prevention program had failed to detect early warning signs and then the necessary preventative programs could not be applied.
YES, and in Ayurved, from India, there is an aphorism: "Without proper diet, medicines are of no use. With proper diet, medicines are of no need."
While this may not always hold in this industrial/chemical era, there is little question that proper, nourishing diet free of toxins goes a long way in preventing disease.
sorry...te old double post ploy...
the author asks if anyone in the health care debate cares about health
depends
if you are asking about nurturing and loving with guidance and affection the "profit center" that is the health care dollar flow into the hands of the hmo's, insurance and pharma, then the answer is yes - money is everything, god sucks, money is everything, people suck, money is everything life sucks
if you are asking about the sheeple - puhlease....
FINALLY, an article which points out to the truth about this current debate.
Speaking as someone who does not have health insurance, the current push for government control over my own choices concerning my own health and how and where I spend my money on my own health is insidious and wrong. (Every year when I do my taxes, I note that I can deduct the cost of untested pills but not the cost of a treadmill or a bicycle.)
No, I do not equate health with lining the pockets of drug-pushing doctors and pharmaceutical industries through more laws and taxes. No, I do not feel that I am responsible, morally or economically, for my fellow citizens (and friends and family) who spend their lives eating junk food while they slouch in front of the TV smoking cigarettes, and then have to deal with the consequences. No, I do not feel responsible for the health of people of normal intelligence who take one pill after another or, even worse, feed it to their normal chidren. And no, I do not feel I have the moral/legal obligation to tell these people how to live their own lives, other than to ask them not to expect me to have to subsidize their own lifestyle choices. This all boils down to why I have made the calculated risk that the outrageous cost of health insurance is not worth the money, when I could instead spend this limited money on a preventative lifestyle and well-informed solutions to my own health problems when they arise.
Instead of serving as the legal arm of the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry, I also agree with the author that the government does have a fundamental role in improving our health. It needs to begin by cleaning up our environment. (A mass transit system or subsidies for alternative clean energy, to give two examples, are not cheap, and last I heard our govenment isn't exactly a solvent institution.) Government also needs to encourage and subsidize access to healthy food and physical fitness opportunities for people of lower income, so that those people most at risk can make rational alternative choices about their own health.
Yes, the healthcare system in this country is clearly in crisis, but the theory of our beloved government assuming even more control over a pharmaceutical-controlled ideology of day-to-day health, and then suddenly becoming an agent of something radically different is just a bad joke. In the real world, the current push for government control over our own healthcare choices is not one for reform any more than bailing out AIG et al is a push for true reform in our financial system. Rather, it is a tried-and-true method by which financially-strapped pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, doctors, nurses, etc, can get the government to step in and subsidize their own economic existence. (Think "Teacher's Union" or "Military Industrial Complex.") This model of "health", as the author of this article points out - and see also Michael Pollan's recent NYT editorial about the true elephant in the room - will most definitely not be leading to better health anytime soon.
Rather than absolute government/pharmaceutical control over our health choices, which seems to be an article of faith among many in the progressive community, a far more reasonable approach is found in this article, with its emphasis first on the true sources of good health and then secondly on the personal liberty which each person should have to make their own choices about how their own taxes be used to achieve and maintain their own good health.
Thanks to author Randall Amster, and thanks to Commondreams, for such an excellent contribution to this debate. I encourage all who agree with it to forward this piece to their representatives in Congress ASAP.
Re Amos Burritt September 21st, 2009 1:18 pm
Your point about environmental factors in poor health are well-taken. Enforcement of anti-pollution laws ranges from lax to non-existent, and makes some of us cynics, others chumps, and all of us sick.
As to the rest, please refer to the post by hamster September 21st, 2009 3:07 pm and my reply. Blaming the victims is self-defeating in the long run, unless one has a way of knowing one will never become a victim.
Jethro, I have responded to your's and hamster's (sorry about the mix-up with names) at the spot where you mentioned.
You know, it's hard to get away from this subject - I just returned from a homeschool get-together where one of the mother's husbands is a partner doctor in an alternative health clinic in a town near us. She said he helped start this after his years of seeing the same lifestyle-caused illnesses over and over, and finally could not justify this kind of medicine any longer........
Best, Amos
Finally someone is talking about health care, not health insurance. If you look at the healthcare bill Max Baucus has given us, it is full of gifts to the healthcare corporations and full of premium increases for the middle class tied to performance standards for physicians (i.e., if your cholesterol numbers don't add up, your doctor will suffer the consequences...how can we deny our statin drug payments to the corporation?). It's worse than useless. If we don't conform what will happen?
"Does Anyone in the Healthcare Debate Really Care About Health?"
No, they care about how much miney they can rake-off from their donors. Everything is either whoring for lobbyist money or posturing for voters.
"Does Anyone in the Healthcare Debate Really Care About Health?"
No, they care about how much money they can rake-off from their donors. Everything is either whoring for lobbyist money or posturing for voters.
We need public owned facilities! Never a charge for anyone that uses them!
With all due respect, Dr. Amster, have you never heard of HR676? That fulfills almost all the requirements of your "modest proposal"! I recommend you get in touch with Physicians for a National Health Plan, pnhp.org, and read the full text of HR676: www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-676
By the way, this legislation basically removes the profit motive from health care, thus opening the door to actual health CARE and more emphasis on non-profit-producing solutions, such as diet and exercise.
Re hamster September 21st, 2009 3:07 pm
While you may not have intended it, you've provided an elegant, civil, but devastating rebuttal to the comments of presumed libertarian Amos Burritt @ September 21st, 2009.
Thanks, and carry on with my best wishes.
“With all due respect, Dr. Amster, have you never heard of HR676? That fulfills almost all the requirements of your "modest proposal" says Jethro Tuillamore. Then hamster says "While you (Jethro Tullamore) may not have intended it, you've provided an elegant, civil, but devastating rebuttal to the comments of presumed libertarian Amos Burritt."
OK, i (Amos) have just read HR676, and I find nothing - nada, zilch - in this bill which in anyway has anything whatsoever to do with the points which Dr Amster makes in his article. This bill is clearly one designed to sustain "business as usual" for the health care industry, right down to preferential rehiring of current industry members.
As to Tullamore's and hamster's comments, this is an old trick with intellectually dishonest people who put on an air of authority and hope that no one takes the time to actually investigate the sources they cite. I have no kinder way to put this, and if either of you two would care to actually cite sections of this bill which address Amster's points, then I will gladly stand corrected. In the meantime, below are some relevant sections of a proposed bill which makes the Department of Education look like a Waldorf voucher School. It’s a quick clip job, but should be good enough to make the point.
(All quoted verbatim from HR676):
“(4) COMPENSATION FOR CONVERSION- The owners of such for-profit providers shall be compensated for reasonable financial losses incurred as a result of the conversion from for-profit to non-profit status.
(5) FUNDING- There are authorized to be appropriated from the Treasury such sums as are necessary to compensate investor-owned providers
“Health care delivery facilities must meet State quality and licensing guidelines as a condition of participation under such program”
(4) COMPENSATION FOR CONVERSION- The owners of such for-profit providers shall be compensated for reasonable financial losses incurred as a result of the conversion from for-profit to non-profit status.
(5) FUNDING- There are authorized to be appropriated from the Treasury such sums as are necessary to compensate investor-owned providers
a) In General- It is unlawful for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act.
(b) Operating Budget- The operating budget shall be used for--
(1) payment for services rendered by physicians and other clinicians;
(2) global budgets for institutional providers;
(3) capitation payments for capitated groups; and
(4) administration of the Program.
(c) Capital Expenditures Budget- The capital expenditures budget shall be used for funds needed for--
(1) the construction or renovation of health facilities; and
(2) for major equipment purchases.
(1) IN GENERAL- The Program shall pay physicians, dentists, doctors of osteopathy, pharmacists, psychologists, chiropractors, doctors of optometry, nurse practitioners, nurse midwives, physicians’ assistants, and other advanced practice clinicians as licensed and regulated by the States by the following payment methods:
SEC. 204. MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
(a) In General- The Program shall provide coverage for all medically necessary mental health care on the same basis as the coverage for other conditions. Licensed mental health clinicians shall be paid in the same manner as specified for other health professionals, as provided for in section 202(b).
(b) Favoring Community-Based Care- The USNHC Program shall cover supportive residences, occupational therapy, and ongoing mental health and counseling services outside the hospital for patients with serious mental illness. In all cases the highest quality and most effective care shall be delivered, and, for some individuals, this may mean institutional care.
SEC. 206. CONSULTATION IN ESTABLISHING REIMBURSEMENT LEVELS.
Reimbursement levels under this subtitle shall be set after close consultation with regional and State Directors and after the annual meeting of National Board of Universal Quality and Access.
(2) SYSTEM SAVINGS AS A SOURCE OF FINANCING- Funding otherwise required for the Program is reduced as a result of--
(A) vastly reducing paperwork;
(B) requiring a rational bulk procurement of medications under section 205(a); and
(C) improved access to preventive health care
TITLE III--ADMINISTRATION
SEC. 301. PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION; APPOINTMENT OF DIRECTOR.
(a) In General- Except as otherwise specifically provided, this Act shall be administered by the Secretary through a Director appointed by the Secretary.
(b) Long-Term Care- The Director shall appoint a director for long-term care who shall be responsible for administration of this Act and ensuring the availability and accessibility of high quality long-term care services.
(c) Mental Health- The Director shall appoint a director for mental health who shall be responsible for administration of this Act and ensuring the availability and accessibility of high quality mental health services.
(e) First Priority in Retraining and Job Placement; 2 Years of Salary Parity Benefits- The Program shall provide that clerical, administrative, and billing personnel in insurance companies, doctors offices, hospitals, nursing facilities, and other facilities whose jobs are eliminated due to reduced administration--
(1) should have first priority in retraining and job placement in the new system; and
(2) shall be eligible to receive two years of USNHC employment transition benefits with each year’s benefit equal to salary earned during the last 12 months of employment, but shall not exceed $100,000 per year.
(f) Establishment of USNHC Employment Transition Fund- The Secretary shall establish a trust fund from which expenditures shall be made to recipients of the benefits allocated in subsection (e).
SEC. 403. REDUCTION IN HEALTH DISPARITIES.
It is the intent of this Act to reduce health disparities by race, ethnicity, income and geographic region, and to provide high quality, cost-effective, culturally appropriate care to all individuals regardless of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or language.”
-end of quotes-
Check out this bill yourself if you think my cut-and-paste job might be inaccurate, or there may be relevant parts which I am ignoring. And with all due respect I suggest that both Jethro and hamster have an obligation to further explain their own bizarre comments regarding the content of Mr Amster’s article.
apologies for mixing up the comments of hamster and Jethro, although they were of the same content.
Re Amos Burritt September 21st, 2009 7:00 pm
I wasn't responding to Dr. Amster's article, but to your response to it. It suggests an attitude similar to that expressed at a town hall meeting I attended recently, the substance of which could be cleaned up and paraphrased as "I've got mine, so you're on your own."
You also raise the issue of taxes and how they're spent. Did you notice that there were no town hall meetings where we could express our thoughts about invading Afghanistan and Iraq, already so costly in lives and dollars? Was there a town hall meeting about the Wall Street bailout, which our great-grandchildren will still be paying down 75 years from now?
Money can always be found on short notice when a powerful industrial sector comes calling, but when the subject is "the general welfare," suddenly the well goes dry. Corportions may like to have us think of them as "citizens," but only we flesh-and-blood types are expected to be rugged individualists, while corporations aren't even slightly embarassed by their status as welfare queens.
HR676 aims directly at that dichotomy. Its attitude says "We are all each other's keeper."
Speaking as an uninsured person (which I mentioned in my original post,) and as one on a very limited income, please inform me how my attitude is that of "I've got mine, so you're on your own." Seriously, I want to know that. Or is it because you (and hamster) are too lazy to take care of your own health on a day to day basis, and then expect those who take the time and the willpower (which is not always easy) to try and do this are also expected to work even more to help you and hamster out with your endless supply of pharmaceuticals which you imagine, having watched too many TV ads, will give you good health? In this regard, I think you failed to identify the actual attitude of HR676 which is not just "We are all each other's keeper" but rather "We are all each other's keeper with drugs, drugs and more drugs, as dictated by the iron fist of law, and as financed by our kids."
That last point about financing refers to things like the 30 yr government bonds which HR676 mentions, as well as the absurd delusion that a bankrupt federal government can somehow afford this massive new government program. Do you and other supporters of a government/pharmaceutical mandated health care program (and one which has very little to do with true health, as Amster points out) ever read about the current/future economic conditions in this country? Has it every occurred to you to really process why our current health care system is currently in shambles? In this regard, I once again suggest that you read Michael Pollan's recent NYT article which makes the point that it's the way we Americans eat that there is such a disparity in health care costs between the US and other European countries.
Regarding your comments about invading Afghanistan and Iraq, corporations, etc, I don't understand what you are talking about. I was opposed to pretty much everything Bush/Cheney did (with the exception of more support for school vouchers,) and wrote and protested against them, but that is neither here nor there so far as I can see. There is always a lot of irony in socialists who first decry the inordinate power of global corporations, and then advocate life under an all-powerful government which dictates to its citizens what they should or should not do in their personal lives even when it has no impact on anyone else. Or maybe I'm wrong about the wise benevolence of our government. Maybe our drug laws, or perhaps our government's use of torture, or maybe its desire to rule the rest of the world in the interests of global corporations, are also because our cuddly government is truly concerned about our well-being.
I think your comment about being a "rugged individualist" is just another way of saying that you want Mommy to take care of you for the rest of your life, even when Mommy doesn't really have a clue as to what she is doing, and when Mommy doesn't even really have your best interests in mind. In regard to those last two items, I also don't think you really understood a word of Amster's extremely cogent article when you still insist on parroting the idea that the current health care debate really is about "the general welfare."
I guess we'll see where this all leads over time. My objection is just that I don't think you have any right to force others, who have never met you, to be your mommy. How can we really be your mommy when we don't even know you?! And if you and hamster and other readers really feel otherwise, maybe I can get you to personally send me money which, I assure you, would be spent wisely and for a good cause. Please let me know if you need my address to do this, or at least why you won't do this, given your professed agreement with "we are all each other's keeper." Thanks.
I'm not sure I should even reply to this, as you're starting to throw around ad hominem insults, which indicates you may not be someone who is willing to engage in actual dialog.
First I'll address the assumptions you make about me. I take care and responsibility for my health on a day to day basis. I eat a balanced diet, get plenty of exercise, and abhor prescription drugs, taking them as little as possible and cautiously at that. I rarely watch television, and consider it mostly an obscene freak show, and mostly laugh at the ads.
Regarding some of your other points, if you study HR 676 with an open mind rather than picking apart just the lines that set off your personal alarm bells, you might see a lot more.
"the absurd delusion that a bankrupt federal government can somehow afford this massive new government program" ... Like a lot of other uninformed people, you don't understand the proposed financing. It uses dedicated payroll taxes, just like social security and medicare, so it is not a drain on the treasury (and by the way, medicare and social security are not going broke as fox news would have you believe-- those are 20-30 year projections, which means a few rule changes over the next 10-20 years will put them back on track); and you have to understand that under a single-payer system there is a large net saving for the populace in general: there may be more taxes, but you will save compared to what you now spend in premiums and out-of-pocket medical expenses. HR676 as currently written proposes to reimburse companies that are hurt by the legislation, and I personally don't care for that either-- it was probably inserted to avoid lengthy lawsuits. But the long-term cost of doing even that is undoubtedly far less than the long-term savings of getting private insurance out of the system. (Most estimates are around $400 billion a year.)
"How can we really be your mommy when we don't even know you?!" More insulting language, but underneath it, I assume you would like Medicare and Social Security to be abolished. (Don't even get me started about public schools, roads, fire and police departments, national parks, and so many other things that are finance by people "you don't even know", but which you probably use.)
When you (god forbid) get hit by a car or get cancer despite your best efforts at taking care of yourself, you may be bankrupted or die, in the current system. Maybe then you will realize taking care of your health on a day to day basis isn't always enough to save you. Also, as I've said elsewhere on this thread, a system like HR676, by cutting a lot of the profit-taking out of health care, will encourage less profitable health solutions like diet, exercise, massage, and preventive care.
Hamster, despite my encouragement that you show how my interpretation of HR676 is flawed, you still fail to to to do this; rather you just accuse me of "picking apart just the lines that set off your personal alarm bells." Gee.....and I thought that what I clipped provided incontrovertible evidence that this bill is about as business as usual as you can get.
There is NOTHING in this bill that which in anyway addresses the points which Amster makes in his article. Rather, it is a blueprint for the wholesale replication of our existing healthcare ideology of drug-and-proceedure-driven medicine, but enforced upon all citizens through the power of law. And yet you originally attempted, with no shred of evidence presented, to make readers assume that this bill really had something to do with Amster's objections to our current model of "health." His opening comment about "talking heads speaking out of both sides of their mouths" I think has some relevence here.
"Like a lot of other uniformed people" you say I don't understand how the financing for this governmental nightmare will be done. Sure, the money just mysteriously appears from a nation which is currently $11.8 trillion in debt. Maybe becoming Secretary of Treasury would be a good job to get so your voodoo economics can save us all. Actually, I really do get it. This money will come out of the hides of the younger generation for whom a large percentage of baby boomers and older folks, so far as I can tell, could care less about. What you and so many others care about is your current health care costs under our current fatally flawed system. But what seems to be of no concern to you is how future generations will actually be able to deal with the staggering costs of paying for the poor lifestyle choices of the current generation. (That would be the taxes you acknowledge will be necessary.)
After this, you then go on to assume that I don't support Medicare, SS, national parks, roads, fire and police, and public schools. By what stretch of logic did you come to that conclusion?! Apparently you didn't read what I wrote any more carefully than what Amster wrote.* No one is talking about opposing government funding for projects truly devoted to the national well-being, .quite the contrary. You accuse me of reading with a closed mind, and with no evidence to support that accusation, and yet you seem to be a master of this. I could quote Amster's article nearly in its entirety to refute your idiotic inference in this regard, but I will just quote the summation of his excellent piece:
“So instead, here's a modest proposal for something different: a public, universal, free healthcare option that can be used for (a) proactive and preventive care and/or (b) bona fide emergencies and chronic conditions. For that middle range of routine procedures, office visits, and garden-variety treatments, there can be subsidization in the form of capped co-payments. People seeking more elaborate coverage will be free to do so in the manner they are now, by purchasing it privately or securing it through their employer. The plan will be financed by tax revenues assigned from the Treasury at an amount not less than 1/2 of the annual military budget, and moreover at least 1/4 of every dollar spent through this system of primary healthcare services will be funneled to health education and nutrition counseling.”
As to my own position, I wrote (9/21 - 1:18pm):
“ Instead of serving as the legal arm of the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry, I also agree with the author that the government does have a fundamental role in improving our health. It needs to begin by cleaning up our environment. (A mass transit system or subsidies for alternative clean energy, to give two examples, are not cheap, and last I heard our government isn't exactly a solvent institution.) Government also needs to encourage and subsidize access to healthy food and physical fitness opportunities for people of lower income, so that those people most at risk can make rational alternative choices about their own health.” *In clipping this from the comments section I now realize that it was posted in a different thread, and it’s possible that you didn’t see it, unlike Jethro, to whom I responded. However, I still do not see how anything I wrote in this current thread would lead you to draw the conclusions you did, other than the old (and very tiresome) kind of knee-jerk assumptions which good liberals seem to have when attempting to engage in dialogue with others.
Finally, the request for you and Jethro to personally send me money was not in jest or made as an ad hominen insult. Quite the contrary. I have made the personal decision to remain uninsured and spend this money on other things which I believe have helped keep me much more healthy in a very real sense. Yes, if something catastrophic happens, I will be bankrupted before the safety net kicks in. It is a calculated risk which I have taken as a grown-up adult. You and Jethro, on the other hand, want the government to force me to now subsidize the obscenely poor lifestyle choices of the majority of other Americans who are too lazy to take control over their own health. I am simply calling a spade a spade when I spoke of “mommy”, and I once again thank Mr Amster for a most excellent piece which I think offers a FAR better solution for the health of all of us.
Anyone who thinks HR676 represents "business as usual" in the healthcare world does not understand it. It is actually a revolutionary and much-needed change. Please see my post of 12:00 a.m. Sept 22 to see how HR676 satisfies most of the criteria of Dr.Amster's "modest proposal"; also study how single-payer has worked in most other industrialized nations, and note that I have no quarrel with the need for better health education and lifestyle as well. These things are both needed and are not mutually exclusive. Thanks for the debate.
Re Amos Burritt September 22nd, 2009 11:06 am
I've never met you, to the best of my knowledge, so how you can know that I'm "lazy" or full of "pharmaceuticals" escapes me. Such name-calling usually betrays a lack of conviction, so I'll let that go.
You say:
"My objection is just that I don't think you have any right to force others, who have never met you, to be your mommy." How do you justify powerful corporations forcing me, by bribing legislators, to be THEIR mommy?
You say:
"Regarding your comments about invading Afghanistan and Iraq, corporations, etc, I don't understand what you are talking about." But when you mention "the absurd delusion that a bankrupt federal government can somehow afford this massive new government program..." you indicate that you DO understand, but dislike the logical inference.
And in a final burst of petulant silliness, you suggest I "personally send (you) money..."
The libertarian position is that government exists to do that which individuals can't do for themselves. HR676 is the mechanism by which I propose to look after my neighbors, even you, as I would hope they would look after me.
I don't think my comments are bizarre at all. What I'm saying, Amos, is that HR676, which has been around for about 5 years and has over 100 cosponsors in Congress, and has been updated and reintroduced each year, covers most, if not all, of the policy suggestions the author makes in his "modest proposal"
The following points from the article are well taken care of by HR676:
1) "a public, universal, free healthcare option that can be used for (a) proactive and preventive care and/or (b) bona fide emergencies and chronic conditions." HR676: check.
2) "The plan will be financed by tax revenues assigned from the Treasury..." check.
3) "Such a plan would cover everyone and still come in at far less than the $2.5 trillion we are estimated to spend on healthcare this year. Over time the program will cost less as overall health in America improves"... check.
4) "People seeking more elaborate coverage will be free to do so in the manner they are now, by purchasing it privately or securing it through their employer." HR676 actually goes further, by disallowing private insurance from duplicating the coverage provided by the bill,covering all medically necessary treatment, and taking employers off the hook for providing insurance.
5) "For that middle range of routine procedures, office visits, and garden-variety treatments, there can be subsidization in the form of capped co-payments." HR676 goes further, by covering all the middle range procedures the same way it covers everything else.
Dr.Amster could go a long way toward enacting his vision by joining PNHP and getting behind this bill which answers most of his concerns. Remember, countries which have such a single-payer system have better health outcomes and lower expenses than we have. The main point is de-emphasizing profit-taking in the realm of health care. Diet and exercise as therapy are de-emphasized or neglected in our current non-system because they are not profit-making.
I also suggest you go to pnhp.org for explanations of the things you read in HR676, as it is written in somewhat legalese language, to understand how it would work and what the various provisions are intended to do.
Here is another link with a basic introduction to HR676. http://www.pnhp.org/change/HR676.pdf
Jeevee
A personal doctor at the University of Wisconsin Student Health Clinic once said these unforgettable words: "In choosing a career (and how you practice it) you have to choose between making money and lower fee SERVICE."
As it truly says in the Bible, "Ye cannot serve both God and Mammon..."
Excellent point. I observed while in college many years ago that most med and pre-med students were obsessed with how much money and prestige they would get as doctors. Med schools encourage this sort of attitude, and the high cost of med school further reinforces it. The government could change this by subsidizing med schooling. Then doctors could think outside the box about how they are going to provide their services and how they are going to carry on their careers.
Depends. Is the public "in the debate"?
Washington is focused on "Insurance Company Protection Bills". And too many in the rest of the nation are not focused on anything. People will continue to die needlessly. We are a nation without compassion. Proof - all of the talk about making sure that only US citizens get medical care.
rosemarie, good point. Many countries (not including New Zealand, I hear) provide free health care to anyone who needs it even if they are just visiting. Here in the US we're like dogs standing over our bones, menacing anyone who comes near.
And yes, it's been clear that this whole fight is over our bones, about health insurance, not health care. All options on the table, what a load of crap. Part of our skyrocketing costs includes hospitals competing and fighting over patients, buying redundant medical equipment and then demanding doctors order it's use to pay for it. So clearly, our system is sick and corrupted on every level. And most especially on the political level where the decisions have nothing to do with our well being or economic viability and everything to do with how much they are getting from corporate lobbyists.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
One of the best articles ever written about the current "debate". Great work! Thanks.
Does Anyone in the Healthcare Debate Really Care About Health?
In the government/corporate, goosed town hall debate?
No, but that's not unusual or isolated to this issue. Things are seldom as they're labeled in the mainstream realm.
Thanks for the reminder and the info.
Got to be able to recognize poisons and toxins in all their forms.
Nice to see today that the FCC seems to favor Net Neutrality. Seems healthy!
Way back in 1987, when my wife became pregnant, she and I researched all the available methods of prenatal care, delivery, post-natal care, infant mortality rates, and maternal mortality rates for the hospitals around Virginia Beach. The death rates were horrendous for a "first world nation," that is except the Midwifery Clinic in Virginia Beach.
I was in the Navy then, and with what one might call "single payer insurance" (CHAMPUS - now Tricare - the Department of Defense's insurance) we were able to use CHAMPUS to pay a certified-nurse midwife for all pre-natal, delivery at home, and post-natal care through six weeks, for our $50 deductible.
Naw, no one wants government health insurance . . . my nice and healthy son was born at home in 1988 . . . and is now in college. The government did not pay some rediculous birthing charge, we did not get saddled with rediculous bills, and he was born by the safest method in Virginia Beach according to the State Department of Health.
It's about time someone is asking about health rather than health care. The points Dr. Amster makes are important--that we ought to be looking at what we get for our money rather than how to get someone to pay the exhorbitant "fees" that are charged.
The latest news is that prostate cancer treatment is often a waste. Screening for early treatment doesn't necessarily change outcomes. And if you're over 65 the odds are with you if you do nothing.
Dr. Amster misses the outrageous behavior of the FDA that regularly bans natural treatments that cost less and work better. And that we should all be paying cash for primary care of our choice--that is the way to break the monopoly because no one but you decides what kind of basic health care you get.
Nanoo
Great article. Alternative medicine is not cheap and not covered by most insurance. I'm going to a workshop on native herbs tomorrow and I have several books on medical uses of herbs. Good clean water and organic foods play a very important part in taking care of ones health.
The problem with poverty is it denies a person the ability to provide for themselves the access to a healthful life. Like Cassandra above, I agree that the FDA and I would also add the EPCA has failed us.
Glad you're learning all you can about healing herbs. My experience with alternative medicine, which spans over 35 years but does not include use of herbs, is that much really is cheap and even the costly treatments are so much cheaper and more effective than those offered by the medical monopoly that I consider the actions of the FDA and the AMA to be criminal. And, yes, food and activity count.
To start fixing this mess, the first thing I'd like to see is Medical Savings Accounts for everyone. Give them to people with Medicaid and allow them for everyone. Now, you have to have insurance to get the tax break. Make deductibles from $2,000 to $10,000. That way, everybody pays cash for primary care, whether it's for an herbalist or a surgeon (small stuff) and you don't have to get permission from an insurance co or the gov't.
EPCA? Probably should know this but I don't.
Nanoo
Hi, don't know if you'll check back but thought I'd take a chance. The EPCA, Environmental Pollution Control Agency has become so lousy, here I have begun to think they work for the polluters. They have lowered what is acceptable for "safe" water. My daughter had a case where Edwards Oil delivered approx. 230 gallons of fuel oil, missed the tank, didn't report the spill, lied for months and when it was all said and done- well hell- the small fine that finally was issued was cut in half because the MN EPCA declared Edwards Oil gets a break for NON cooperation.
Thanks. It's sad that we have wound up with the situation you describe being the norm.
Sep 23, 2009
COMMENT
Obamacare and the $13 rule
By Kent Ewing
HONG KONG - This city, bastion of capitalism and perennial darling of ultra-conservative think-tanks such as the Heritage Foundation, offers affordable health care to every one of its seven million people. Massive government subsidies make this possible.
Yet in the United States, my native country, where in some states as many as 25% of the people have zero health insurance, conservative critics threaten to derail President Barack Obama's plan for guaranteed national health care as some kind of socialist plot to undermine everything that is good and just about American society. While an increasingly shrill and distorted debate rages across the country, the health of nearly 50 million of America's 300 million people remains at risk because they have no health insurance.
In the capitalist haven of Hong Kong, my adopted home, anybody
who can scrape together the equivalent of US$13 can receive generous, timely and usually first-rate health care in an emergency ward. By contrast, US hospitals are turning away the sick, the injured and the dying, even though they might be carrying a lot more than $13 bucks in their pockets.
The US is the only advanced nation without some form of comprehensive health care covering all of its citizens. So, as Americans continue their battle royal over "Obamacare", which spilled over into unseemly heckling during the president's address to a joint session of Congress earlier this month, the rest of the civilized world can only look on in puzzlement and wonder.
When will this self-proclaimed global exemplar of democracy and humanity accept the fundamental tenet that quality health care is every citizen's right? When will America cross the medical threshold into the developed world not of the 21st century, but of the 20th?
Until that happens, I've always got at least $13 in my pocket, and I'll stay right here in Hong Kong. While public hospitals here have recently been embarrassed by a series of blunders - including two newborn babies taken home by the wrong mothers and other infants injected with expired vaccine - in general medical care is excellent. And, if you don't like the public option and are sufficiently well off, superb private doctors and hospitals are also available.
Why do so many in the US see such a public/private medical mix as a betrayal of some perversely atavistic social contract and a point of no return toward a socialist dystopia?
The Puritans who settled in New England nearly four centuries ago believed that a person's inner godliness and prospects in the afterlife were reflected by his or her prosperity on earth. In their view, the poor were probably damned and the rich most likely blessed.
A similar attitude taints the health-care debate in the US today. An underlying argument of many of those who oppose Obamacare - rudely represented by South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson, who shouted "You lie!" at the president during his address - is that those who don't have health care are unworthy and that those who do should not have to pay for those who don't. To Wilson and others on the far right, decent health care for all is a form of communism and - or so their ugly rage suggests - unpatriotic, if not downright traitorous, to American capitalism and perhaps to God himself.
This anger bubbled up again on the Saturday following Obama's speech, with tens of thousands of protestors marching from the White House to Capitol Hill to decry the Obama plan and similar, smaller "tea parties" taking place in other parts of the country. Signs denouncing socialism and communism were commonplace at these rallies. Some demonstrators carried posters of Obama wearing a Hitleresque mustache - who knows why.
Presumably, these were some of the same people who kept their kids home from school earlier in that week so that their minds would not be poisoned by a presidential video message to the nation's school children that included such radically socialist ideas as "work hard" and "stay in school".
Former president Jimmy Carter has condemned as "racist" Obama's angry detractors on health care, but that oversimplifies the problem. Sure, many of them might prefer a white president, but their reactionary responses go far beyond race: they're afraid of change, even necessary change.
Let's not forget that the socialization of American health care began in 1965 with the creation of Medicare and Medicaid, two mammoth federal programs that supply health insurance for the elderly and the indigent respectively. Obamacare would simply complete - and hopefully greatly improve - the deal four decades later.
But the task the president faces is daunting. Remember, the most effective US senator in the past century - Edward Kennedy, who died last month at the age of 77 - spent most of his 46 years in the senate fighting for national health insurance and failed to achieve his goal. Bill Clinton boldly took up Kennedy's cause at the beginning of his first presidential term. Clinton backed away, however, when he ran into stiff opposition in Congress, and health-care reform died on the vine during his presidency.
Obama has made it clear that he will not back away.
"The time for games has passed," the president exhorted congress last week. "Now is the season for action."
But the games will likely continue, and they are dirty games based on fear-mongering and the politics of distortion and distraction. Millions of Americans who listen to right-wing radio talk shows or watch cable TV's Fox News, the unofficial mouthpiece and self-appointed hatchet man for the Republican Party, are convinced that Obama is a communist whose vision of national health care includes a free pass for illegal immigrants and the establishment of "death panels" to determine who among the stricken elderly will live or die.
Indeed, the president's address to a rare joint session of Congress was, in part, an attempt to nip such misinformation in the bud, and polls taken after his speech showed a rise in support for his handling of health-care reform.
"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," Obama said. "I will not stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are. If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."
Besides confronting his detractors, Obama showed a willingness to compromise. While this may upset the liberal wing of his party, it will appeal to ordinary Americans who have health care and worry that his plan will raise their costs and sink the country into even greater debt. Reform will be financed by change and savings within the system, the president pledged, adding: "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits - either now or in the future."
Most important - and most disturbing to liberals - Obama indicated he was ready to compromise on the so-called "public option", a government-sponsored insurance plan that would compete with the avaricious private sector, which has shut its doors on 47 million Americans who do not have health insurance. The president said he supports the option but will not insist on it, effectively sounding its death knell as it already lacks adequate support in the Senate.
Ultimately, what all this means is that finally, with Ted Kennedy looking down from above, America is probably going to wind up with comprehensive national health care, flawed though it may be. Given the prolonged, torturous history of the health-care debate in the US, even the passage of a flawed plan would represent a significant victory if, in the end, anyone with at least $13 in his or her pocket is guaranteed a competent doctor and humane care.
Kent Ewing is a Hong Kong-based teacher and writer. He can be reached at kewing@hkis.edu.hk.
(Copyright 2009 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)
WHAT the united states of american corporations really has is :
a "National HEALTH SCARE".......
scaring everyone that :
"if you don't pay premiums...sorry"
"if you don't have INSURANCE PRIVATELY..sorry"..
"if you have taxfunded care for ALL..it's SCARY SOCIALISM"..
"if you have public care...OTHERS are stealing YOUR hardearned DOLLARS"..
"if you have public system...you'll wait in line"
"if you have SOCIALIST medicine...you are unamerican and a TRAITOR to GOD".
etc.etc.etc.
but , u know, americans live in such a SELFISH , GREED driven society...they would rather that "i have MINE" even if it costs THEM and their families an arm and a leg - as they cite "i have my private insurance and i even have SUPPLEMENTAL" (as IF that was going to save THEIR grand children from the disasters to follow)...
so long as they can believe that "NO ONE ELSE gets MY tax money"......
forgetting conveniently that the snakevine of the US health system - EVEN for the private industries - is ALREADY a highly SUBIDIZED system , THAT processes THEIR tax money TO the private corporations in huge tax breaks and other welfare corporation schemes..
except that the PRIVATE PROFITEERS are being
"cared for" by EVERYONE else, with or without "insurance", private or socialist!
what a bunch of moronic "citizens" indeed, as I am beginning to be more and more convinced.
almost entirely DEVOID of intellectual acuity - and worse - MORAL and ETHICAL sense of truth and courage and will.