Obama Running Scared
A universal health care system based on the single-payer model appears to be a bridge too far for President Barack Obama.
A single-payer system, such as Medicare for everyone, would provide health care for all.
President Lyndon Johnson had the courage to weigh in with all his clout to win passage of Medicare and Medicaid.
President Roosevelt put all his chips on the table to win passage of the Social Security Act that makes the elderly more secure.
All around the world, governments have long made medical care available for their citizens. Why not us?
Obama clearly has no stomach for the political battle that any single-payer plan would ignite. So he's endorsed a step that would allow the government to provide health insurance coverage -- not health care -- to eligible people. Such government-sponsored health insurance is being considered in Congress as it writes health care reform legislation.
While the public plan option gets full consideration in Congress, the single-payer model has been unwelcome at the White House or on Capitol Hill.
Obama said part of the fierce opposition to health care reform has been fueled "by some interest groups and lobbyists -- opposition that has used fear tactics to paint any effort to achieve reform as an attempt to, yes, socialize medicine."
He made it clear that his idea of health care reform would allow patients to choose their own doctors and keep their own health plans.
Somehow government bailouts have been more palatable for Wall Street plutocrats who happen to be needy.
Obama stressed in a speech to the AMA in Chicago last week that he does not favor socialized medicine.
Some 47 million Americans are uninsured -- many because some employers have dropped coverage in the economic downturn. Others lack insurance because pre-existing illnesses deny them access to private insurance. There also are millions with no way to pay for soaring health insurance payments because they have lost their jobs.
Nearly all Republicans and some moderate Democrats oppose any public plan option. These are the same lawmakers who receive many government-provided perks including health insurance.
In his remarks to the AMA, Obama warned against "scare tactics" and "fear mongering" by opponents of the public plan option, which the President said should be available to those who have no health insurance.
Obama rejected the "illegitimate concern that's being put forward by those who are claiming that a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system."
Obama should tear a page out of LBJ's vote-getting manual and shame the heartless opponents.
The health of all Americans is our business.
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Show AllWhat part of Insurance Industry Scam has no choice does Obama or anyone else not understand. If your Employer has a health care plan (even if you somehow like it)You still did not choose it and the Employer can choose another the next year and another the year after that. The reasons they choose it has much more to do with their bottom line than with your health.
Even then, even the most expensive plans have a limited "In Network" of doctors for you to chose from and most have massive red tape, to slow down care and increase copays to see any doctor at all and may deny the treatment the doctor proscribes as well.
All this arrives as a plague of Insurance Company Bureaucrats, that take 30%-50% of every health care dollar just to keep you from actual health care. Certainly no way to save money either.
Single payer to competing independent Doctors and "not for profit" Hospitals is all that makes any sense
To paraphrase the "Most Interesting Man In The World" , silver-haired fox of the Heiniken commercials:
"Stay Healthy My Friends"
Thanks, Helen.
For those calling for Medicare for all - that's not good enough. What about dental, vision, and long term care!
The current health insurance debate is the perfect example of what happens when one frames the issue the wrong way. Obama and the rest of the Washington elite would like us to thin that the issue is "people without health insurance" rather than "people without access to affordable and effective healthcare." Frame it one way and you get what we're getting: blather about insurance schemes, all preserving the industry profit margin. Frame it the other way and you get what we'll never get: universal health care (not insurance), probably on a single-payer model. Unfortunately, letting people with no health care worries make decisions about the health care of the rest of us is the perfect way to preserve the status quo and its bought-and-paid congressional hacks.
March on Washington:
NO MORE GOV'T HEALTH CARE FOR CONGRESS TIL THERE'S GOV'T HEALTH CARE FOR ALL
schreiber-
How do we organize this?
Most countries with universal health care or national health care function under a parliamentary system that functions as a representational democracy.
The most representational part of the US Government, the House, however, is barely under control, only because they have elections every two years and are more representaional than the Senate.
The Senate is the cluster fuck, with rotating elections every six years and stewide representation. Only one third of the Senate is uop for re-election in 2010. By 2012 and 2014, Universla health care will no longer be an issue.
Notice the log jam in the Senate where the health care indsutry can concentrate its funds to buy a majority. It's much easier to buy 50 or sixty votes than to buy 300 votes.
Obama fears the Congress, since he has been there and is well aware of the corruption and influence that controls it.
He does not have the balls of Roosevelt who had money and power before coming to the White House - or Johnson who was a hardass who was not afraid to grab Congress by the balls.
Obama is afraid of being a failure - not only the first African American president - the first African American failure as president.
His power resides more in the House, where there is more of a minority representation - more like a parliament.
Perhaps the US System is broken and beyond repair.
We are no longer a representatie democracy when 72% of Americans want Single Payer and Congress offers us Twinkes
Obama, the first African American president, and he supports aparthied. What does that tell you about our first African American president?
"Notice the log jam in the Senate where the health care indsutry can concentrate its funds to buy a majority. It's much easier to buy 50 or sixty votes than to buy 300 votes."
It's even easier to buy two political parties.
Well, the Green Party isn't bought, and Greens agree with the American people that we need a single-payer Medicare-for-all healthcare system.
How quickly would our friends in the Senate wake up if everyone who wanted single-payer voted Green in 2010?
greenferret, I guess I don't have to poke you like a ferret to get you to fight against this phony democracy --- which is actually a disguised ruling-elite 'corporate financial EMPIRE' that controls our country from behind its own (and owned) two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy.
ferret, hopefully, like a real ferret, you have that tenacious bite that ferrets are famous for, and will bite into the leg of this disguised EMPIRE which neither phony party will even dare to talk about, let alone confront.
Ralph Nader (and the Green Party) fully recognized as early as the 2000 campaign that the true majoritarian desires of the vast majority of working-class American citizens was FOR universal health care (like all the real representative advanced democracies in the world), and FOR careful Constitutional control (or elimination) of corporate and financial industry thieves, and FOR taking strong action against the proven threat of Global Warming, and FOR 'true cost pricing' of negative externality costs (which corporate scam artists dump on our world to creat their faux profits), and AGAINST starting and continuing foreign 'aggressive wars' of imperialism (which are the penultimate international war crimes), and AGAINST the insanity of domestic gun mania (and nuclear weapons proliferation), and, and, and ...
Nader continually said in his nation-wide 'city tours' attended by tens of thousands of real young and old working-class Americans (who didn't have to be paid by 'advanced PR men' to attend the events) that, "my positions on the issues, and the Green Paty's positions ARE actually the 'majoritarian positions of all Americans', but they are being contempuously ignored by BOTH CORPORATE-CONTROLLED PARTIES"!!
Well, ferret, Ralph was absofrigginlutely right, and the Green Party positions on all 12 major issues are absofrigginlutely right.
The seminal difference between this universal truth in 2000 and now is that we now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the positions that the two-party 'Vichy' treasonous whores in Washington vote for (against the demands of the citizens they are supposed to be representing) are driven by a highly sophisticated and disguised global ruling-elite 'corporate financial EMPIRE' which is very similar to, but vastly more guileful than, the British 'crown and corporate' Empire, the Nazi 'state and corporate' Empire, and the Soviet 'state and militarist' Empire.
The current global ruling-elite 'corporate financial EMPIRE' that hides behind the facade of its two-party 'Vichy' sham of democracy in America is so modern, sophisticated, guileful, and deadly that Joseph Goebbels himself would roll over in his grave in admiration and shout, "Mein Fuhrer, I have failed you. If I had built such a well disguised Empire not only in France with that crude single-party 'Vichy' model, but actually in the fatherland and all Europe and America with such a marvelous multi-party 'Vichy' wonder, you would still be ruling a global Third Reich!"
Working for Nader in 2008, I had the opportunity to speak with him in Portland Maine after he compared the current government scam in America with the British Empire, and we discussed that it was essential that the American people not only understand that we are now fighting the same kind of battle that our forefathers fought against the British Empire, which combined the royal political monarchy AND the royally chartered British West India Corporation as an indivisible political-economic monster of EMPIRE, but that today the global EMPIRE is much more deceitful, sophisticated and propagnadistic in its effectiveness at fooling all the people all the time with this new and improved two-party 'Vichy' facade of democracy.
yes, ferret, as you clearly say, "the Green Party isn't bought, and Greens agree with the American people that we need a single-payer Medicare-for-all healthcare system" --- as well as agreeing that we need to be stopping imperialist wars, stopping international war crimes, stopping global corporate financial economic oppression, and stopping 'police state' spying and tyranny at home.
ferret, I would only say, that while the level of deceit, propaganda and soft lies of this EMPIRE at the headquarters in America may seem to be effective today in distracting, intimidating and detouring mass actions and general strikes in the US, we can look hopefully toward the brave actions of particularly the young citizens of countries that are directly at the 'point of the Empire's lance' (such as Iran, Palestine, Nigeria, Venezuela, and most of the world oppressed by this EMPIRE) and see that the effective actions of average people against global EMPIRE are not being divided and conquered, nor diverted and distracted by partisan politics between two phony parties or tow phony candidates (like Iran), but that the young are taking direct action and going to the streets not to support one phony candidate or the other phony candidate (who would both sell-out their own people) --- but rather the young are organizing, demonstrating, and ultimately fighting (just like the young patriots in colonial America did) for democracy itself, in real popular and progressive form, and they are fighting against EMPIRE --- which in almost all cases is the global 'corporate financial EMPIRE' taht is MOST DIRECTLY coming at the point of that spear from the global EMPIRE hiding in and operating out of the national-state that used to be ours and which used to be proudly called the U.S. --- but which is now merely the nest of global corporate financial EMPIRE vipers falsely acting in our good name.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Sioux Rose
Absolutely sterling insights and analysis: ALAN MacDonald, ECUMANIAC, & DUCKSAWCE. Great work and words!
greenferret-
So how do we do this? How do we get people to support one party?
Here is something from another post:
I agree with you but I think we can do both. Why can't we support progressive dems against DNC dems when there is no viable third party candidate.
For example. Don't forget the media. You have a platform. You take it to the ProgDem, he agrees with it and promises. You build a constituency behind him, if he loses you have maybe a bigger movement because you have been able to get more moderate dems behind you who would not otherwise support a green platform. You also have the greens because it is basically their platform.
If he wins you get more more media attention and people feel good about it and more moderate Dems become progressive Dems. If he goes back on his promise than we have a constituency that has agreed to the platform and a green candidate in the wings ready to go.
Maybe you would call this piggy-backing or bait and switch, but I think it is a good strategy. I would relate it to kind of a tug of war. I would push for platforms and then say, "ok, there is only a green" or "you could go dem but we have a strong green".
I don't care if a Green runs as a Dem and then switches back and I would hope that Greens don't care if he runs as a Dem and votes as a green. Maybe he could call himself a 'Blue-green'.
I hate the Dems as much as you but I don't see any negative aspects to this and the seemingly positive results could be helpful.
I don't think Obama is threatening the Prog Dems on the War Funding bill as a rouse. I think he doesn't care about them or us. I think it is personal to him as well as part of the corporate system he likes. I don't think he is worried about a small group of progressives.
Personally I am beginning to think that he is a narcissist and does not identify with the poor or people of color.
highkarate, you say (or quote another poster saying):
"I agree with you but I think we can do both. Why can't we support progressive dems against DNC dems when there is no viable third party candidate."
"I hate the Dems as much as you but I don't see any negative aspects to this and the seemingly positive results could be helpful."
Sorry, highkarate, but you sound like an American colonist who is perhaps financially satisfied with the British Empire and is comfortable with his British citizenship in that Empire, despite the FACT that that EMPIRE is royally **cking most of the other colonists, and who says to his neighbors, "Well, let's work within the system and talk to the Royal Governor of Massachusetts (since he seems like a more progressive guy than the other colony governors appointed by the EMPIRE) and well, it seems like a good idea to slow down and not be rushing into this thing, and I'm sort of doing OK myself on my big farm in Concord, and... "
Well, highkarate, we called these folks 'Royalists' and 'Loyalists' to the ruling EMPIRE, and after the serious patriots gathered on Concord Bridge, within sight of such Rpyalist's big farms and comfortable life styes under the thumb of British EMPIRE, and after those minute-men and patriots fought and died to kich the shit out of the hierarchical, tyranical, elitist EMPIRE that was oppressing and tyrannizing all the average Americna colonists who had the guts to fight EMPIRE, and won our new democratic Republic, we took those elitist and comfortable and foot =drapping 'Royalists' and "Loyalists' (who liked the way things were under the thumb on EMPIRE --- and we kicjed thier arses out of our new democratic country and sent them packing to St Andrews and Nova Scotia and other lands still controlled by and for the benefit of thsoe cowards whop preferred to live and prosper in an EMPIRE --- [which BTW, collapsed like friggin cheap suitcase after another hundred years of serving the needs of the elite within that rat-shit EMPIRE, and while that heartless, deceitful elitist global EMPIRE continued to stick its spear in the eyes of a few hundred million other colonists in India, Africa, etc, until that fifth from last EMPIRE got its just rewards and DIED --- like all EMPIRES need to die!
Then the fourth from last EMPIRE (the Nazi EMPIRE) died, and the third form last EMPIRE (the Japanese Empire) died, and then the second from last EMPIRE (the Soviet Empire, which that dolt TV pitchman president of the very last EMPIRE called an 'evil Empire', without even knowing that all Empires are Evil) died. And now we have reached the very last EMPIRE--- which has metastasized into a global ruling=elite 'corporate financial Empire' by hiding behind the facade of its phony two-party 'Vichy' sham of democracy is about to DIE by revolution of the average people who really want honest popular/progressive democracy instead of this scam and charade.
Well, karate, as Clint Eastwood once famously said, "I don't really remember whether five shots or six were fired (at Empire), but being as how this gun of democracy is the most powerful trend in history, do you feel lucky? Well, do you fell lucky, punk?"
karate, those who want to stand with EMPIRE regardless of what weasel excuses and delays they suggest, can certainly stand pat with the entrenched global EMPIRE (headquartered in the U.S.). But those who want to stand like free men and fight this scorge of history, and fight for real self-governing democracy seem to be a fast growing majority on a global basis.
So how do you stand, karate, on the issue of real democracy (or as the Trilateral Commission called it for their EMPIRE, the "problem of democracy")?
The time to stand is growing near, karate. And the time for equivocating is over. So do you feel lucky --- or do you feel comfrotable as a 'Royalist/Loyalist'?
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Alan-
Lol. I am a poor mofo. Take down that fake psychology degree from the wall and join the real world.
I am just saying we can build a platform and maybe try and use it to support Progressive Dems who support the Green cause.
All that bull your wrote is ridiculous and irrelevant. If you want to spend your time bashing progressives instead of looking for answers go ahead. You will find lots of anger here to go around.
I was raised by a woman who was in a Nazi camp punk, so be careful what you sling around.
Maybe you are young and naive but try and be smarter about stuff. I don't want to get into a back and forth with you but what you wrote assumed so much and is belligerent.
You are either part of the solution or the problem.
What I'm not, highkarate, is part of the EMPIRE -- and the Empire is the signal, singular and seminal whole of this cancerous tumor.
Health care, gun control, wars, global warming, financial oppression, dirty politics, human rights, womens' rights, immigration, environmentalism, prison reform, and all manner of other 'single issue' arguments that divide and distract bourgeoisie liberals, moderate conservatives, and pragmatic libertarians from the central issue of Empire are only a concern to me in the sense that all these 'symptom issues' flow from the polluting river of Empire at the issues head-water.
Sorry about the woman who raised you being tortured by the NAZI EMPIRE, but I assume that she taught you that negotiating, triangulating, voting around, or otherwise doing anything other than surviving or fighting against Empire is futile against sociopathic, elitist, fascist EMPIRE.
BTW, highkarate, what's a "poor mofo"?
BTW2, I don't bash principled progressives (even if they are not yet democratic socialists).
Alan
Alan-
I appreciate your sort of apology for ranting at me for no good reason but what exactly are you doing for the cause you so passionately speak of?
And why is it such a bad idea to have a main street party that is organized around large all-encompassing issues that might consider supporting a true progressive democrat if there is not a better alternative?
I could easily characterize your point of view as an elitist who is well off enough to wait for his precious revolution and not care about the real women and children who will be benefited by stable social programs.
All or nothing sounds and not trying to at least have band aids till the revolution happens sounds like someone who doesn't know what it is like to bleed.
I am all for discussing the issues or strategies at hand but if all you want to do is rant about empire, we have all heard it before.
I just listened to some of the testimony to the House on C-Span of Christina Romer, one of Obama's economics advisors. In a sing song voice, she (inadvertantly, I would hope) made a total mockery of the health system proposals of the Obama administration. Over and over, she states that the number one goal is to slow the growth rate of the cost of health insurance.
I'm sorry, but she is at least 35 years too late. It's no longer enough to slow the growth rate; costs are already more than double what they are in the reputable countries that have single payer. One specific example is that an MRI in Japan costs only about 10% of what it costs in the US. Anything less than about a 35% reduction of costs (and that's being kind) means a failure, meaning that the health care costs will continue to eat alive the health and economics welfare of individuals and of the economy as a whole.
It is especially obnoxious that even lower income people are being threatened with being forced to buy into the grossly overpriced private health insurance system, which is an especially fantastical notion. Were many lower income people to start buying it (or a "public option" at, say, 10-20% less than private insurance) many of them would be homeless and/or half starving over the ensuing decade.
Also, millions more jobs would be lost if this crazy idea were adopted, as small employers would not be able to pay for the "shared responsibility" of paying for the grossly overpriced private insurance (or for the almost as overpriced "public option").
Obama, you are a total failure on health reform.
It's about time for Axledick, "The Nation", Move-On, and the rest of the phony neo-liberal Obama crowd to bring back the admonition that, "even FDR wanted the people to push him to do the right thing".
This is BS.
Obama ain't going to push universal health care.
Obama doesn't have the guts to fight for anti-war sanity.
And Obama won't even mention the fact that our government is controlled by a ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire'.
Face it, Obama is no Senator Bulworth, speaking truth and taking-on the insurance industry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ag_2dg8nI
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
How much does it take to teach Greens Arithmetic?
While the framers of the Constitution did not realize it, and fought bitterly against the idea, a Two Party system is welded into that Constitution! It would be nice if it weren't so but the arithmetic controls and only a major change can fix it, and we cannot even get Health Care past much less that sort of esoteric thing that most folks do not understand and those with power do not want.
There is only one way that a change of parties has ever happened, 80% of folks need to be viscerally attached to one side of an argument and both parties committed to the other side. Slavery was the issue that allowed that and the only one in our history.
For the first tome in a very long time there is an opening, but the greens are very poorly placed to take advantage of it. If as noted above they had been working for years as a group withing the Democrats, making that change now would be much easier.
Health Care could be that issue, and the Republicans are at their weakest in a great many years, making a Green Party less likely to give the Republicans a boost as they and the Democrats take the down side of the issue but unless the Greens manage to take more votes than either Republicans or Democrats it will not matter.
Far better to be an activist cadre in the Democratic party promoting and electing anti corporatist Democrats In Green until there is enough support for a wholly Green Party (that might still be called Democrats) and in the meanwhile register Voters as Democrats so they can push the primaries left, and work for real Change that you were hoping for.
Otherwise you just become a mirror of the Palin wing of the Republicans, demanding to go where most Americans are not ready for and insisting on such purity that you, like they, disappear in your own event horizon.
Obama does seem to be rather tame, doesn't he. No Clark Kent/Superman here.
Geeeze, you people just love Obama, don't you? Hey, I'd be running scared too if I was being guarded by the CIA and the Secret Service!
Moondoggy,
Bet Obama is thinking he might find himself in the back seat of a convertable, heading for Dealey Plaza.
Oh, not THAT again! Please, dear god! Not that!
Mark Twain once observed, "History does not repeat itself; but it rhymes!"
Did anyone else pick up on that phrase . . . "Obama running scared" . . .
Helen may be trying to tell us something more than we're getting?
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
According to reality, it takes 2 to tango! Yeehaaaw!
I don't think most of us really mean any harm to Obama. However, the feeling of betrayal makes it tougher to resist. Except for a few minor things, on major issues he's messing up and making the same mistakes of pandering to the enemies on the far right and he seems to be doing so without making any bones about it. That's what is making us all upset and some even angry. It is true that Obama's not the only one but part of the crooked parcel of pols stacked against us. His being the president makes it too easy to nail unlike members of Congress except for the blatant ones who do stand out.
From a consumer perspective, anyone who buys US private health insurance would be regarded as insane by most people in the countries that have single payer, countries which constitute the complete list of reputable countries in the world. Aside from the way overpriced problem, no one in those countries would buy insurance not knowing, for example, whether they would really get a nickle of benefits when they were needed.
Obama running scared? Certainly not of the electorate. Remember when the F.I.S.A. makeover allowing retroactive immunity to the telecoms was in the House and Senate? When 90% of the faxes and phone calls comming in from the electorate were AGAINST this? Where was Obama? Cheerleading the Senate in favor of the telecoms and against the wishes of the population in general. This was IMMEDIATELY PRIOR to a presidential election!!!
Obama is a fraud, always has been. Accept it and remember it next election (that isn't meant to imply support for the republoonies.) Time for a new party folks!!! The other two have already been up for sale, bought, and paid for in full.
Someone other than dissatisfied voters -- progressives/liberals -- have to begin
the march away from the Dems -- Will it be Kucinich, Howard Dean . . .
Unions, women? Liberal organizations banding together for a change?
We need to all go together -- and to take our $$$ with us!!!
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
Thanks to Helen Thomas for, once again, being one of the few journalists doing her job.
A so-called liberal friend of mine argued with me about this when I asked, if the Dems are in control and the majority of Americans support Single Payer, why can't we get Single Payer? I was told it's too "radical." I mentioned opposition to forcing all Americans to buy health insurance and was asked, "But what if the government subsidizes it and makes it affordable for you to have?" My friend (self-employed and paying thousands for insurance, with ever rising premiums, copays, and deductibles) said that the health insurance industry is putting up a fight to anything Obama is pushing, so they must stand to lose money. I said I was opposed to the government forcing all Americans to buy insurance and subsidizing the industry (if they give money/incentives to people to help them purchase insurance, isn't that subsidizing the industry?). I told him I objected to all of this, because the insurance companies would still hold the power, deciding who gets coverage and what they will cover- what treatments, procedures, and medications doctors can prescribe. I asked why isn't Congress doing what the majority of the people want? and he said that they don't represent all of the people-- and seemed fine with that. Did I miss something, or does this sound screwy to you, too??
Helen Thomas ,thanks for your input it looks like you have got the CDers riled up nicely,speaking truth to power again.I like that you mentioned FDR and LBJ as pols with balls.Hey I agree, if you don't need the opposition to get things done screw em! And if Blue dogs are worried about dialing for dollars during thier next campaign,screw them too.If the guys that that "brung ya to the dance are just trying to screw ya" catch a ride home with someone else .Just because those lobbies helped pay to elect the President doesn't mean he has to do thier bidding, screw them too, he should do whats right for his country and his place in history will be secured.I think you are right about fear but the real victim of the fear factor is Barack Obama he is afraid of Single Payer private health care administered publicly to remove the greedy insurance companies from the equasion.Why does he fear success?Economically it is the only plan that will work,it's the politics he fears, but he will be known as being as impotent on this issue as Hilary Clinton if he doesn't acknowlege it soon.Thankyou Ms. Thomas peace
As a longtime advocate for single-payer health care, I am grateful to Helen Thomas for telling the blunt truth.
Single payer is being actively suppressed by the administration. We're arrested for requesting a seat at the bargaining table. Once, we were actually allowed in a meeting, but not allowed to speak - our representative had to sit quietly like a good child - seen perhaps, but certainly not heard.
There are plans being made for a rally on July 30th in D.C., for Medicare's birthday. The single-payer web sites will have up to date information as plans are made.
How can an administration that purports to care about the people contemplate foisting upon them insurance companies which refuse to give up their practice of rescinding, at whim, coverage to the sick?
We need to take our government back - hitting the streets, visiting Congressperson's offices, writing, phoning, faxing, e-mailing - we have got to get it through their boneheads that we're serious, and won't go away. We're going to be both seen and heard.
And yet, so easy to do.
Starting tomorrow, ALL citizens and 5 year legal residents are are enrolled in Medicare. Picture ID is the only 'proof of insurance' anyone needs.
If one doesn't care to partake, no problem - go buy as much insurance as you want.
Add a .50 tax to smoke and drink again, a special Thieves tax on the financial sector, and annual 'fees' for all US monies parked off-shore.
Meanwhile, everyone is covered right away, no new agency/paperwork required. Just more Fed staff to process, AKA, job creation...
MEDICARE FOR ALL --
the sane, practical, and most cost effective method --
with a switch to preventive health care -
No insurance companies - no "for profit" health care industry -- !!!
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
In LBJ's time the people still had power. We had protections on free speech and laws to further truth like the Fairness Doctrine. We had no imbedded journalists, spying on citizens was verboten and punished, we never heard of rendition, high tech police surveillance of citizens, we had no No-fly lists, airport screenings and other government sponsored paranoia.
Reagan conservatives saw that to fleece the sheeple, they simply had to scare them. Zionists helped him, realizing that "never again" can be very profitable. Our Christian Taliban came on board to whip women into submission. Our business class joined the fray to better compete in the global economy by exporting jobs, eliminating taxes, health and environmental restrictions and by removing most regulations. The MSM helped their affiliates by forming public opinion to their advantage and to public detriment. And the working poor voted Republican, against their interests, by way of Rush, Clear Channel, the flag, beer and Jesus.
9/11 gave the oligarchs our rights and treasure. In this Shock Doctrine environment, pols who depend on corporate bribes for financing over 95% of their billion dollar campaigns can't do much on health care or anything else. We can:
http://www.ni4d.us/
It takes a long time to overturn a thriving America - a strong economy -
but it certainly begins with the coup on JFK/"people's" government.
They've near succeeded now . . . bankrupting our Treasury, two illegal wars,
and just one more event like 9/11 and the experiment with democracy in America will
be over. Maybe this time a nuclear attack on US . . . is that what Cheney is
crying out for?
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
EEEZ! Where have you BEEN? I missed you!
You just about covered it. Beer and Jesus, oh yes.
Thanks Elainem. I was in rehab for my CD addiction.
Sioux Rose
EZE: Welcome back. You were asked about. This post is especially lucid and powerful. Thank you for sharing it. I totally agree.
And thank you dear Sioux Rose
Speaking of Obama running scared, check this out.
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-obama-white-house-coal-energy/
Is that what Obama meant by change and transparency ?
This isn't the first time he has gone back on transparency and probably not his last.
Oregoncharles
Thank you Helen Thomas for your insights throughout the years, your capacity for understanding the mechanisms of power, your straight arrow style, and your obvious love of human kind. Your legacy: Your ability and choice to speak truth to power.
I'd just like to commend Black Anarch on using a Biblical quote to make his point: I am also an Anarchist, but don't shy away from classic literature, holy books, opposing political systems/parties, where there is a truth to be acknowledged...
Having said that, Helen Thomas has made a blunt point in her article, and one that the American people need to sharpen with direct action. We have been decrying the lack of health care in this country while waiting for Congress to do something about it. It is grievously indicative of who truly governs our democracy; when the citizens wait...and wait...and wait.
I do believe it will take violence to make serious change in America: unfortunately, as our obesity problem shows, we cannot even get our citizens to walk a mile, never mind march one! (sigh)As our economic crisis gets bigger and bigger and with speed enough to shock us all into coma, I fear we will do nothing long enough to have no choice but to DO ANYTHING...
The American people will lose their freakin' minds before long, which is not the organized, progressive action that we need to turn this country around. Single-payer health care is not even an option to our government at this declining stage: Capitol Hill is empty, couldn't provide health care now even if they wanted to, and they don't.
Perhaps it is farfetched, but the only way to provide health care for Americans now is to simply nationalize the health care and pharmaceutical corporations, and hospitals. I know: crazy. However, that's where the resources are to do it, in terms of finance, resources, and skills.
Oh, I know: it's complicated. That is what Capitol Hill always tells us when they are taking a very, very, very long time and trying very, very, very hard to get around doing the right thing...
Helen Thomas is a valuable source because she has witnessed enough of history:
1. that she can tell you (based on her considerable background of knowledge of what has been)where things are going because even though personalities change, their basic human nature does not.
and
2. that she has so far refused to compromise the wisdom of her age with either the desire to be liked (the Patty Duke Oscar winning speech sydrome) or to be part of the recognized establishment (the Evan Thomas, Katie Couric, Kelly O'Donnell, David Broder school of "professional" journalism).
Her putting this current debate in historic context (the mentioning of both FDR's and LBJ's efforts) as well as a current world context, ("All around the world, governments have long made medical care available for their citizens. Why not us?") is what a responsible journalist should be doing and too few "journalists" can even conceive of doing, let alone be allowed to attempt.
Poet
Poet writes:
". . . the desire to be liked (the Patty Duke Oscar winning speech sydrome) . . . "
Oops: let's not mistake Helen Keller (Duke won the Oscar in 1962) for Norma Rae!
Sally Field won twice (as Oblabla's not likely to do): in 1981, and again in 1985 for "Places in the Heart", which prompted her famous acceptance speech: "The first time I didn't feel it, but this time I feel it, and I can't deny the fact that you like me, right now, you like me!"
So (in something of a slur on the former Flying Nun, who's recently done a commercial for some bone-density drug) one MIGHT reasonably suggest that Oblabla -- in addition to His critical backbone-density ailment -- suffers from "Sally Field Syndrome" . . .
Dem-dat-dare, you are correct and I thank you for correcting my mistake. Duke and Fields were two actresses who got better throughout their careers which is no small feat in the world of movie making,
Poet
Helen Thomas, one of the few lights in the gloom that currently surrounds us.
jlocke123 writes:
" . . . Nevertheless 3/4 of you want a public plan and I can't blame you.
The thing is, Dem-dat-dare, if it is the same plan for everyone "single payer", then it has to be good, or there will be hell to pay. The pols get away with your medicaid nightmare because you are ghettoized. Auto workers have better plans, so do congresspeople, why should they care?
That is why single payer is the choice of the democratic countries of this world, everyone is treated equal according to their needs."
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The only "public plan" 75% want -- though the "press" is busy jiggering it around into being about "support" for the treacherous Obaama organization -- is EXACTLY what the Congress has: if Teddy Kennedy'd been on Medicaid . . .
"Single Payer or Else."
Thanks Helen. As usual, you're right on the money.
Apparently, Obama is also cool with letting the war criminals fade away in luxury. Well, nothing will change until we remember that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, et. al. knew that violence gets you rights and benefits. Whining does not. The Declaration of Independence was no whine. Read the second paragraph.
A "mass sit-in" in Wash. DC will do absolutely nothing.
Nothing.
Regular, weekly disruptions of government, sit-ins at Congressmen and women´s offices, mass arrests in Senators committee hearings and a daily presence around the White House will get some attention to this issue as it did during the Vietnam War. Then politicians will know you mean business.
Until then it´s all smoke up your own arseholes.
Every major industrialized nation has a form of single-payer and their people are in general healthier and far more satisfied than USAmericans.
You had the chance to fight for EFCA which would have made you all eligible for the union of your choice and you didn´t put pressure on the Dems to come through, so now you will get nothing.
You had the chance to push BO to bring our troops home from Iraq as he promised and to end the warmongering which has gotten us into a quagmire in Afghanistan and has destabilized Pakistan in just a few months. You didn´t, so watch as the body bags pile up. Blame yourselves.
You had the chance to make BO and Congress make our banking and regulatory system responsive to the actual needs of working people and since you didn´t, the same banksters who fucked up the US financial system got a ton of money and you got nothing. Blame yourselves.
Health care is no different. USAmericans are lazy whiners and will do nothing, expecting politicians to give them things while they pine away for some nebulous "better"--all the while the US economy tanks, the rich are getting richer, and all around the world people are surpassing you in terms of health, community safety, and general quality of life.
Blame yourselves.
mad-poet-
Be careful of the rhetoric man. Just looking out but "inciting a riot" is getting a looser and looser definition. At least have the ACLU on speed dial.
Tho only reason Obama would be fearful is if he or his supporters face a serious electoral challenge. Primary challenges for those who oppose Single Payer in 2010 and serious electoral challenge for Obama in 2012 primary. Or perhps the birth of a true progressive party to bring him down then. We have to be in this for the long run--Yes we can hae rallies--but from what I have seen from responses by my Senators and Congressman-- that doesn't scare them-- they see us as too weak to affect an election. Let's teach them a lesson.
Thank you, Helen Thomas. As always, a great article.
Two points I would like to make. Minimum wage workers also cannot afford insurance and still put food on the table. One of the crimes of this industry is that most people who are happy with their insurance haven't needed it for a really expensive health problem. They would then find that the treatment they need is considered "experimental" or the insurer has discovered an undeclared preexisting condition (even a yeast infection) that invalidates their policy. Claim denial is the busiest part of the insurance industry's job (and the reason that insurance industry employment has increased by 37% since 2000), marketing being the next. I think we should stop calling it the insurance industry and properly label it the bankruptcy and death industry. After all, by denying health care to almost 50 million Americans, it can be held responsible for 22,000 deaths a year. Who knows how many more die because of denial of claims? 40% of US bankruptcies are due to medical costs for people who had health insurance. Now that's insanity.
The second point is that the reference to "moderate" Democrats is a misnomer. They are plain out conservatives. They vote with the Republicans. They are more conservative than the moderate Republicans, of which I believe we are down to two in the Senate.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Absolutely BFK,you capture my only complaints with an otherwise good article.Good comment you saved me some typin' peace ( Health Care Denial Industry)
Actually, the latest study shows that 60% of bankruptcies are related to medical bills, and 3/4 of those individuals had coverage.
18-20,000 deaths annually are attributed to lack of access to health care; of those, I'm not sure how many individuals were 'underinsured' and died anyway thanks to the negligence of their 'coverage.'
"A single-payer system, such as Medicare for everyone, would provide health care for all."
Medicare itself has some limitations that need 'supplemental' insurance which should feed legitimate insurance companies. Medicare part D also feeds premiums to insurance companies.
For example, I pay Humana a premium each month and they let me buy my meds at their cost.
With Congress on the hook for at least a good part of Medicare they should pay closer attention to health hazards such as WR Grace poisoning the entire population of Libby, MT and Big Gagrabusiness giving the entire nation type 2 diabetes. Some common sense prevention and maintenance and effective regulations through the FDA and EPA should go a long way toward avoiding health problems in the first place. Fewer problems means fewer dollars - hint, hint congress! It has been my experience that my early and middle years very seldom needed any sort of health care and only after retirement have I been seeing a doctor for the normal wearout problems. With Medicare for all we need not worry about losing employer provided health insurance or being 'dropped' for any reason.
Sen. Arlen Specter is still trying to cut another $1 billion from Medicare -
starving the system does work!
Long time and huge theft by health care corporations from Medicare -- largely
unprosecuted -- also has taken its toll.
And granted the Bush Prescription plan which enriched drug companies and
insurance companies should long ago have been "reformed" by Democrats.
But, MEDICARE IS A PLACE TO START ... we don't have to reinvent the wheel.
We can change the prescription plan and we can STOP permitting cuts to Medicare --
and we can demand enforcement of prosecutions against the "for profit" health care
system ripping off Medicare.
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
jlocke123 writes:
"Let's just lower the age of Medicare Coverage eligibility from age 65 to age 55. This is a brilliant idea, it has been out there but it is still a brilliant idea."
--> This would be a good thing, which Oblabla could accomplish by Executive Order before the week is out.
What nearly no one, it seems, is aware of (apparently, since they don't talk about it at ALL, this includes most politicians) is that people 55 and over who are forced to accept MediCAID -- rather than MediCARE -- "coverage" are in line for having whatever they own seized, when they die (like as not, they will die early of crappy Medicaid "care" in non-profit clinics whose reason for incorporation is to churn through as many patients-per-minute as possible, many forbidden procedures and prescription drugs, no seond opinions, etc.) to satisfy the Estate Benefits Recovery Act (by which, with "welfare reform", the supposed Bill Clinton Democrats "balanced the budget").
NOTE: it seems undeniable that Medicaid strictures are targeted specifically to females -- for whom medical issues associated with the menopause are most likely to occur between 55 and 65. (All over the country, women AND men are being given pain pills and psycho-meds in lieu of actual diagnosis and early treatment for cancer and other serious conditions. Think on this: it is deliberate.)
Add to this that Medicaid captives can't find out what the charges are for ANY "care", and can't -- if they should ... win the lottery, or whatever -- repay the unknown amount charged against them, and it is a dirty business indeed, killing off the poor and profiting corporate "providers".
NOTE that Oblabla's shape-shifting "public option" razzmatazz seems to include a lot of conFLICTing blabla about Medicaid -- variously cutting it and/or compelling a lot of people to enter into it.
Beware Medicaid.
"Oblabla"!
That certainly sums King Con up.
"55 and over who are forced to accept MediCAID -- rather than MediCARE -- "coverage" are in line for having whatever they own seized, when they die (like as not, they will die early of crappy Medicaid "care" in non-profit clinics whose reason for incorporation is to churn through as many patients-per-minute as possible, many forbidden procedures and prescription drugs, no seond opinions, etc.) "
Yeah, if this is what Americans see of public, government run medicine, I'm not suprised that some might be wary of a new public system. Nevertheless 3/4 of you want a public plan and I can't blame you.
The thing is, Dem-dat-dare, if it is the same plan for everyone "single payer", then it has to be good, or there will be hell to pay. The pols get away with your medicaid nightmare because you are ghettoized. Auto workers have better plans, so do congresspeople, why should they care?
That is why single payer is the choice of the democratic countries of this world, everyone is treated equal according to their needs.
Remember...anyone who is against single-payer healthcare, is an enemy of America. Health insurance companies are responsible for far more deaths that all of the world's terrorists put together. Kim Jong Il, Osama and Ahmadinejad all clumped together don't equal the threat posed to everyday Americans that Humana and Columbia pose.
Tell your elected officials that all other issues are minor compared to the necessity of bringing in single-payer and eliminating the cruel and inherently evil health insurance industry. Your life depends on it. This is the greatest challenge of our generation. Either corporate America or average Americans will win. So far we have been losing miserably.
Since Obama and the Congress seem incapable of carrying out major health care system reform in a single bite, why not consider cutting it up in smaller pieces to chew on? By doing it bit-by-bit, eventually the whole enchilada could be swallowed.
Instead of trying for something "universal" in a form which preserves the domination of the Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industries, let's just extend what they DON'T control.
Let's just lower the age of Medicare Coverage eligibility from age 65 to age 55.
Once we have time to see how well that works, we can consider lowering it even further.
To avoid employment discrimination against younger people, businesses who employ people people older than 55 covered by the new plan, would have to "pay" into a fund that would help support the cost of the new plan.
Nothing could be simpler and easier to explain to the voters.
Good idea. I also think requiring health insurers and hospitals to be non-profit would also be a step in the right direction.
-Let's just lower the age of Medicare Coverage eligibility from age 65 to age 55.
This is a brilliant idea, it has been out there but it is still a brilliant idea. You could even go so slow as to extend coverage one year at a time...64,63,62 etc.
The trouble is however that whatever the sizes of the bites, the rep/dems are both on the payroll of private insurers and private insurerers couldn't care less about your bite sizes. They don't want to swallow, period.
Elect people who want single payer and suddenly you will find that bite sizes will no longer be a problem for you.
moonpie writes:
"A mass sit-in in D.C. is in order and way overdue."
DC demonstrations -- not only for Single Payer, but anti-war -- are scheduled for Thursday, 25 June.
Is anybody else just a teeny bit suspicious that the train collision in DC might serve to complicate attendance?
--> As for Obaama, his function seems to be approximately that of the scantily-clad magician's assistant -- to distract the audience from the sleight of hand taking place before their very eyes.
Hope Helen Thomas doesn't expect anything much from the hothouse hoodlum in the White House, whose half-"black" birthday suit has served, from the primaries to the present, to deflect attention from the fact that there's not -- and has NEVER been -- much "there" there, aside from the rictus grin, the fifties-retro polite-Negro schtick, and an uncanny ability to get into the pocket of corporate sugar daddies.
Obama doesn't sound like he's running scared. In fact, he sounds proud to screw us all as usual. Last year, I had detected early red flags on Obama's campaigning especially on health care. He has made his opposition to single payer health care crystal clear ever since he became a senator so he has probably conditioned himself into accepting such ruthless thinking. Helen Thomas makes valid arguments on what Obama should do but she needs to realize that Obama has no heart for anyone except those with money and/or those who are aggressively social conservative.
P.S.: I have read some articles on Obama's life and often wonder if Obama allowed the Mammon to overtake his thinking because his governing since 2005 in Senate and now as president seem to confirm that and that the worse things economically get, the more fear him being a cultist worshipper of Mammon. I could say the same of most pols as well. Thanks Sioux Rose for bringing up Mammon on another post some articles back. I look forward to studying what makes up the false god of riches as I read more on astrology.
Sioux Rose
JENNIFER: Mammon, and the love of money as the ROOT of all evil is Biblical. Mars as a construct is mythological as well as astrological. You cannot find "The false god of riches" in astrology as the construct does not exist there. The misuse of any value system, added to understaning how archetypal energy gets undermined requires a genuine long-term study of astrology. You can read a book or two, but that doesn't mean you will "get it." Although the knowledge exists for all with eyes to see, this field serves as a calling. Few have the time to dedicate to its craft, or the altruism to serve the light as is warranted. Intending to penetrate the mysteries of the supersensible realms is hardly for everyone. That is why in all of the mystical traditions, the seeker of truth had to pass through rigorous Initiations. Higher understanding without the requisite moral fiber is not unlike placing weapons in the hands of those who lack judgment.
I'd be curious to know the titles of all these astrology books you've suddenly taken up the interest in studying?
Sioux Rose,
I love your postings, but love of money (in fact, material things in general) is something that all religions (to my knowledge) warn against. That notion is not proprietary to the Bible. Hope I'm not quibbling here...and look forward to your postings, as always.
Sioux Rose
LINGUM: I am here to grow and learn, too, and appreciate corrections where they are due. I think you would also find that the premise of karma is also a universal attribute of most religious philosophies.
Although the planet Saturn is most directly associated with karma, there are two books on retrograde planets (authors: Martin Schulman and Donald Yott) and several on the esoteric symbolic pair known as the moon's nodes, which also lend great insight into the carryover of lessons from former incarnations as per the current life blueprint. Really difficult "aspects" between any two planets show a permanent negative "dialog" in the chart, so the capacity to determine karma is really quite a sophisticated form of analysis that must take multiple factors into account. And even then the astrologer misses items, we all do, it's part of our human limitations.
One reason that typically left brain types dislike astrology is that it uses a variety of factors to support a central theme, as opposed to seeing in linear equations THE answer sought.
No, I did not find Mammon in the astrology books I read. I came across that term from one of your earlier posts in another article and did some basic research on the net.
As for studying astrology, it wasn't a sudden interest. When I came across an Indian and a Muslim who talked about arranged marriages and horoscopes, my basic interest in understanding astrology was born. Here are the books I looked at from time to time. I'm guessing that because these are the dummies books for my limited understanding, it will take more time. I don't intend to be an astrologer in life but try to understand the basics which I was always eager to learn about. I sincerely apologize for my weak understanding and misinterpretations. Here are the books.
Astrology For Dummies
Astrology Rules! by Debra Levere
Here are a couple others I am seriously thinking of reading:
Be Good To Your Moon: An Astrological Guide To Understanding your inner self through your Zodiac Moon Sign.
Astrology & Relationships by David Pond
Sioux Rose
JENNIFER: I will recommend other books. I just find it curious that for all the interludes on CD the subject of astrology was never enunciated by you before, when it's obviously one for which I have the greatest interest and respect.
A bad storm is now forming so I need to get off-line. We've had a heat index well over 100 degrees the past few days. WILD weather... and doggie needs a walk before the sky explodes.
Thanks Sioux Rose. Trust me though. I could never be a dedicated astrologer at least in this life time. I have so much to take care of and overcome in life. I don't intend to say much on astrology but I guess I just felt tempted not to hold back what I understand so far and see what I could learn. I sincerely apologize if I sounded like a little girl and a laughing stock in one when I gave what I understood about astrology in relation to the current events.
Good luck out there in the heat by the way.
P.S.: On the two books I was seriously considering, there's just so much unhappiness in life I witnessed and even felt about marriage and relationships whether it was about never getting a successful date, trying to help a loving neighbor returning from Iraq getting abused by his own wife, or even trying to help one of my best friends out when she can't go home because she's trying to stay away from her abusive husband now in jail and divorced. Maybe at this, I'm just a scared and helpless and not sure of how to overcome it all and try to find a good solution.
Jennifer: And Indian Muslim who talked about horoscopes and astrology. Allow me to enlighten you: Horoscope, fortune telling, and any attempt to read the future is totally COUNTER TO Islamic principles. According to the Islamic faith, only God knows what's ahead. Many Indian Muslims have been heavily influenced by the majority Hindu religion/ideas. Providing dowries, palm read, etc., are very much Hindu practices. Believe me I know what I'm talking about.
Jennifer: I make it a point to never argue with anyone who believes in astrology. But you have a right to your opinions/beliefs.
"Providing dowries, palm read, etc., are very much Hindu practices. Believe me I know what I'm talking about."
I am sorry but that remark sounds like it has a little too much anti-Hindu bias and the tone is desperate. I do not believe in speaking against one religion or another. I have met Hindus and Muslims who share more in common than some hardliners on both sides are willing to acknowledge. We can blame one religion or another for whatever but since the Muslims also chose to practice those harsh practices and not go their own ways, they're equally guilty. I have also met Muslim and a few Hindu women, all of whom acknowledge that their religions offer women no respect or rights whatsoever. If I were a Hindu or a Muslim, I would not have had the right to put education and career over marriage. I was glad I avoided being forced to concede to a marriage of being a slave housewife, something I would be unable to do as a Muslim or Hindu unless I had committed suicide. However, I also respect both religions because each of them has great ideas so I have mixed feelings about the two religions/practices.
Jennifer: I'm amazed at your store on "knowledge"--particularly about India, Hinduism, and Islam. I don't really care to get into an argument with you, but you've got some pretty strange, Western-oriented ideas on all 3 subjects. Bye!
Well, I lived in the West all my life so how on Earth am I expected to fully know the East. I grew up in rural MO but visited other states and a couple of times Mexico and a couple other central American nations. I did go to Europe with my family and relatives on group tours when I was younger but maybe I have yet to see more of the world. I don't give lopsided preferences of one religion over another. As you know, despite my being a Christian, I'm not very religious. I've met various people of various religions who are non-partisan and non-biased about their religions. If you want to tell me that Islam rules because you prefer that over others, then at least be open about it. When you simply said what you hated about another religion, you gave me the impression that you simply hated someone's beliefs. I, on the other hand, said what I liked and didn't like about each religion. At least be a little more open and honest.
No, dear Jennifer, I don't hate ANY religion. This was a discussion about certain practices that you seem to think are Islamic. They are not.
Let's move the discussion away from Hinduism/Islam for a moment. Since you are at nominally a Christian, you perhaps are aware that African Christianity includes in it ancient African practices/ideas that are not purely Christian. I am not making a judgment here, merely an observation. However, if you were to speak with an expert on Christianity, s/he would point out that some of these practices/ideas are NOT Christian. The same goes for Muslims who are Indonesian (by the way, many Muslims in Indonesia actually have Hindu names), Arab or whatever. Local culture (ideas/practices) is often mixed in with their religious identity. This does not automatically make those ideas/practices Islamic. In fact, Indonesian, which is about 95 percent Muslim, also has a lot of Chinese culture in it. Nothing wrong with that--but, again, it does not make that Islamic.
Now, let's please move on from this topic....
Obama hasn't changed since 2005, he's the same Obama he's always been - a master manipulator who knows who his masters are.
'Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.' - Pete Townshend
I always thought he was different up until he made it to US Senate. I even thought that there was hope in trying to revive a pre-2005 Obama but as events seem to be unfolding, I'm finding that more of a pipe dream. I'm just trying to get past the political hell. Glad I voted for Nader thrice.
Oregoncharles
Jennifer, a kindred Green.
Please tell me what it was that made you think "he was different up until he made it to the US Senate?"
I have been asking this question - why people were taken in so - and am getting nowhere. People jumped on his band wagon so early on, not you, I know that. I've been told by Obama supporters that he is very progressive but when I ask, "What is it that makes you think this," I get nothing. Sometimes they bring up his anti-war speech ... how easy was that? anyone can say anything to get elected. But what has he fought for, voted for? thanks. I always enjoy your posts.
I don't know a whole lot about Obama's state senate record except for what has been generally said about it and even then probably only some. I kind of thought that he might be a Dennis Kucinich in the Senate based on his anti-war speech but in 2005 his confirmation of Condi Rice pretty much killed that dream I had of him. I only judged him by what he did as Senator in those 4 years and how it relates to leadership and his abilities to govern as president. I had already seen him not standing up to rightwingers while in the senate but instead playing rollover and had feared that he would do just that as president. Well, he's done that and worse. He's even copying Dubya on secrecy as CarlaWaters just posted news of Obama keeping his meetings with top coal executives under wraps as much as possible. Since I lived in MO in 2004 and still do, I would have no right to vote for or against his senate candidacy but Obama certainly saw to it that I stuck with Nader and/or Mckinney.
-All around the world, governments have long made medical care available for their citizens. Why not us?
Well the short answer is us "non-yanks" don't allow our reps to take multimillion dollar bribes.
'"non-yanks" don't allow our reps to take multimillion dollar bribes.'
If you are British, this is quite a naive and hypocritical statement. Ever heard of BP? BAE systems? Have you paid attention to the news in the UK in recent years?
The Brits are a bit more sophisticated about it, and the bribes and influence are hidden a bit better. In America these bribes are institutionalized and perfectly legal.
"The Brits are a bit more sophisticated about it, and the bribes and influence are hidden a bit better. In America these bribes are institutionalized and perfectly legal."
Hi socialist, I think you are making my point. If you have heard about scandals in the UK, that is because they are, well, scandals. The bribes are hidden because in the UK as in most democracies, bribes are illegal and must be hidden if the perp doesn't want to get caught. So I think we agree, in the US, bribes, and bribes from the pharma/insurance groups, are commonplace. Change that and you will get all sorts of good things, including single-payer.
JLocke; I reckon we do agree for the most part. Tony Blair committed war crimes yet is not held accountable. The BAE systems/Saudi Arabia bribe scandal has not been investigated properly and no one has been held accountable. Alistair Campbell has not been held accountable for his role in the dodgy dossier etc. The death of Dr. David Kelley has not been properly investigated despite the Hutton Inquiry whitewash. Although probably not a scandal, the myserious death of Robin Cook is noteworthy, and the fact that Blair could not even be bothered to attend the funeral is quite telling.
I think the main reason is that unlike most other nations, our pols are most easily prone to fall hook, line, and sinker with Mammon. At least this is what I am understanding the more I study astrology when I'm free and just want to fearlessly solve these weird and irrational mysteries that affect us all.
Correction: I did not study Mammon in astrology. I studied Mammon separately when looking up the name on the web. I have a weak understanding of religion and astrology so bear with me. Thanks.
A mass sit-in in D.C. is in order and way overdue.
An interesting study was released in Canada over the weekend. In the 1994-2004 time period the incidents of heart attacks dropped by some 35 percent.
The study concluded this due in part to greater awareness of the Public about their own health, initiatives on the part of Government to better educate the populace and regular check ups and monitoring.
The Government , being the entity that is bearing the costs via taxes and single payer , has the POWER to initiate programs to do the same and much more power then any invidual has.
It is in the best interests of Government (In single payer tax payer funded systems) to have a healthier population.
Contrast that with for profit in the US. Even Insurance companies would not want too healthy a population because if that happened more and more people would OPT OUT of buying insurance.
Now this study warned that a new trend has occurred in Canada and that an increasing rate of obesity. They are calling on Governments and the public to help reduce this trend before it reverses all gains made.
It my opinion that one of the single largest reasons for having Single payer via taxes is that it in the GOVERNMENTS best interests to develop programs to ensure a healthy population and they are much better equipped to implement the same then is an individual.
The mantra in the US is to look after ones own health.
The people in West Virgina are trying that and NO ONE CARES.
If BPAS in plastics lead to poorer health and cancers, only the Government can ban the use.
Governments should be woking with the people to promote better health and not with the Corporation to promote more profits.
Better health will put a serious dent in the Profits of the Insurance industry as it will to the profits of the for profit illness treatment industry.
GW-
That really sums it up nicely. Does anyone have the link for this? I can't seem to find it? Could corporations be controlling the flow of information on the net?
I dare not think it.
Sarcasm 101
The story was carried by the major Canadian media including the CBC.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/06/22/heart-disease-deaths.html
Publication was in this week's issue of the CMAJ.
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/180/13/E118
TheProf-
Thanks so much.
Obama should tear a page out of LBJ's vote-getting manual and shame the heartless opponents.
He has neither the character nor the courage. His only gift is presentation.
Our Prez has no spine. I've been wondering why the Big O, a black man (or half black), does not embrace reasonable ideas such as single-payer. And after some armchair psychoanalysis I've come to the conclusion it is because of his need to be loved (you know is life-story of the missing father). The Big O (as in zero) wants to please everyone, and so he talks from both sides of this mouth. Of course, I could be wrong, but for the life of me I don't understand why Obama is unable to do the right thing. And he does not push policies that are radically different (think outside the proverbial box), this country will be in even bigger trouble.
Lingum-
Mind if I sit on your lap in the armchair?
I had a wee bit of hope. I was thinking that someone who was a person of color and had a history of 'community organizing' might really be motivated to really bring about change but hope is very unaudaciously leaving the room.
I know unaudaciously is not a word, neither is unaudacious but maybe Obama will be famous for popularizing this word. At least for now 'mendacity of hope" will have to do.
Sorry, but I am starting to feel the same way that you do. I might even go so far as to characterize him as being a narcissist.
I would also add that he might actually reject his African heritage because his dad left him and because he was raised by white people in a white culture.
I believe even his time as a 'community organizer' did not have much of an effect on him and he could easily reject his people by using the 'bootstrap' argument.
Then there is of course the machine that just grinds down a young man with purpose and ambition and makes someone who has a 'moment in time' opportunity to
pass up the chance to be a real hero for all of eternity.
Then of course there is the history lesson of MLK, RFK, JFK looming over the choices you make.
Oregoncharles
How about the "Hopelessness of hope"
I keep hoping someone will answer this call but no one ever does. Here goes ...
List all the things Obama has done for ordinary people. Presumably there are some or progressives wouldn't have voted for him. Clue me in.
Highkarate: I like and agree with the points you make: 1)I do believe he's narcissistic. Being the first "black" editor of the Harvard Law Review might make a person believe that s/he is special. And he obviously thought he was pretty good looking, judging from some of the poses he strikes in those early b/w pictures; 2) Having a dad who was African and abandoned you, could make a person feel not particularly sympathetic to people of African descent.
Incidentally, during the primary season, on one of the TV channels they spoke to some of his roommates/friends at Harvard. I recall one very attractive colleague of Obama's, who was Iranian born, say that Obama, even back then, talked of being the prez.
Bottom line: you've got to have a pretty high opinion to be convinced you can be the first black POTUS, more so when you've got a "weird" name. I do not mean to imply a black person ought not be the POTUS.
POTUS, SCOTUS and, for the Congress of the US, CO(I)TUS.
Lingum-
Maybe we should all focus on getting him to stop smoking and he then we will see the real Obama?
Very telling about his Harvard days. Someone cool would not act like that. He seems really full of himself and his tone is changing now that he is in. Less serious when it should be more so.
Your ending seems rhyme with HOCUS POCUS.
Obama is wasting so much energy trying to please people that don't like him and didn't vote for him that he is alienating everyone who did vote for him. He ran on a platform of change. He was elected because most people in this country recognized the need for radical change. For better or worse, at least Bush didn't worry about pleasing people who didn't like him no matter how terrible his policy ideas were. We need to stop voting for presidents who have "daddy issues"
Our Prez has no spine. I've been wondering why the Big O, a black man (or half black), does not embrace reasonable ideas such as single-payer. And after some armchair psychoanalysis I've come to the conclusion it is because of his need to be loved (you know is life-story of the missing father). The Big O (as in zero) wants to please everyone, and so he talks from both sides of this mouth. Of course, I could be wrong, but for the life of me I don't understand why Obama is unable to do the right thing. And he does not push policies that are radically different (think outside the proverbial box), this country will be in even bigger trouble.
Our Prez has no spine. I've been wondering why the Big O, a black man (or half black), does not embrace reasonable ideas such as single-payer. And after some armchair psychoanalysis I've come to the conclusion it is because of his need to be loved (you know is life-story of the missing father). The Big O (as in zero) wants to please everyone, and so he talks from both sides of this mouth. Of course, I could be wrong, but for the life of me I don't understand why Obama is unable to do the right thing. And he does not push policies that are radically different (think outside the proverbial box), this country will be in even bigger trouble.
Mr. Obama is a weak leader, and as such, he lies, equivocates, and obfuscates.
He will be nothing more than a shill of the ruling Wall Street elite.
What bewilders me is that so few people understood or appreciated that before the election. Yet, the information is available.
But, his campaign did win the Advertising Age award for 2008.
Oregoncharles
Yes, Obama did win that award from the advertising industry! Take another look at the music video, "Yes We Can." Although I was far from being an Obama supporter, that video did soften me up a little! "Maybe, just maybe." I thought to myself. HA! See, if it can work a little dark magic on an old tough shoe like myself, think of how easily the rest of America, the ones who have gotten so accustomed to their daily bucket of bs from the msm, they don't even question the odor, let alone the content.
Sioux Rose
Helen Thomas has always used politeness to speak truth to power. The one thing that was left out in this otherwise solid article is that it's not just the poor who don't opt for health insurance. I probably (?) could afford it, but I am too frugal with necessary expenses to spend $500-600 a month and then later be told that "my condition" is not covered. I see insurance as legalized extortion. I remember when my car was hit by flying debris in one of the hurricanes Florida experienced, and my car insurance company would not even pay for the windshield replacement. $66 a month for how many years but they can't even hand over the $200?
So long as the for-profit middle man is kept in the equation, I want NOTHING to do with it. As many have said, including Donna Smith, even if you presumably have insurance, that's not the same thing as a guarantee of acquiring medical CARE. I beef up on vitamins, get exercise, have a good diet, try to ward off stress (harder and harder given the actuality of things in the US today), and then HOPE I can retain my health. Dental costs in the U.S. are a joke. Yesterday I went to pay my car registration because fees are about to double, and I ran into a couple that lives on a sailboat. She's from Hondurus and she told me to fly to Hondurus, for about $350 round trip, and she'd hook me up with her niece, a dentist. She told me that implants there cost so much less than in the U.S. and both told me not to presume America had the highest level of dentistry. In 2002 I had caps done in Mexico, so I am no stranger to "3rd world" medical/dental applications. I am seriously considering the Hondurus option, as it would mean an interesting trip and implants for probably HALF the cost of having it done in my local area.
Sioux Rose: I live in Costa Rica now, and just had a root canal done on a molar. It cost $175. I believe at my dentist in the US this would have cost at least $600 and probably closer to $800.
Sioux: "The one thing that was left out in this otherwise solid article is that it's not just the poor who don't opt for health insurance. I probably (?) could afford it, but I am too frugal with necessary expenses to spend $500-600 a month and then later be told that "my condition" is not covered. I see insurance as legalized extortion."
Right there with you. And congress keeps avoiding this by saying the solution is just to mandate buying insurance on those who can "afford" it, and using taxes to subsidize those who can't. This will be a double whammy on middle class workers and employers. The only thing that changes is that you will have to buy it and it will cost more.
We will be forced to pay the extortion, and the insurance companies for their part will be under no obligation to do anything differently. When I look back over the years, I see larger and larger chunks of my earnings going to insurances of all types, and it looks more and more like legalized extortion. Yet, despite siphoning off the earnings of us all, the insurance companies have skipped out on their obligations and have gotten bailouts. It really looks like organized crime is running the country.
AND, what if, as was the case when we were t-boned by a stop sign runner, and were not able to work as self employed artists due to broken limbs, the insurance companies gauge your importance to society by how much money you make, and make the decision on how much to compensate you depending on your income.("Go to work at Walmart, if you are unable to continue your craft!")) Could this also happen to those with the health insurance in question...not making a huge taxable income? "Get well or die!"...(as is the case with us now). I would like to see every legislator with special interest money at stake in these decisions be banned from voting as a conflict of interest...a no brainer it seems. I still hold out hope that Barack will do the right thing, be bold, and act on the causes of righteousness that we were hoping, as progressives, he would do when we voted for him, we're still out here ...and watching.
Thanks for your informative post. You are right about being able to go just about anywhere and receive comparable service for a fraction of the price.
Helen Thomas tells the truth. Obama,s heart is in the South Chicago projects but much of his governance is influenced by his "pragmatic" politiccs. Those of us in his progressive base wait for more AUDACITY and HOPE.
Helen Thomas tells the truth. Obama,s heart is in the South Chicago projects but much of his governance is influenced by his "pragmatic" politiccs. Those of us in his progressive base wait for more AUDACITY and HOPE.
the buck goes from my ins carrier to the pols who then support my ins carriers profit margin -
its the best gov my ins dollars can buy - if the gov would cut out the middle man my quality of service would not change, but the pol would lose his "taste"
in the end single payer would force pols to work for people not ins companies - but the pols cant stand the pay cut - so we will not see single payer soon, will we?
i propose that pols be forbidden from taking medical industrial complex dollars - this might be a good first step towards fixing the HCS.
Bring America Back !!!!...........Hooray Helen Thomas, I knew she still had it in her !!!
**We really knew Obama would back down to Big AMA, Big Pharma and Big HMO on Healthcare===just as he has caved in to Big Telecons, Big Oil (seen the price of gas lately?),
Big AIPAC, and the almighty DC Military-Industrial Complex.
It was only a question of how badly He would back down !!
**Helen Thomas, please at the first press conference opportunity, ask the Prez from your front row seat, if he has seen the DVD 'Sicko" by MIchael Moore ??? If he has not, please offer him a free copy. We will get Him free ones.
**"Sicko" shows the true state of medical care in the USA and proves beyond question, the only answer is FREE health
care to all Americans because we are human beings.
**Because free healthcare is the human entitlement , Canada, Great Britain, France, Cuba, Norway are the enlightened Nations that can show Team Obama how to install it in the USA !
Medical care in the US will NEVER be Affordable for all Americans unless and until it is a free right. We are in the Era of the HOspital $100 band-aid and patient dumping onto the street if there is no "insurance" !!
Unless my memory has failed, or a big change has occurred, I think Obama has called on Ms Thomas only once, and wasn't pleased by her unwelcome query, whether any middle-east country (i.e., Israel) has nuclear weapons.
Questioners are pre-selected for his press conferences. That's called "openness in government."
Maybe Obama should read a little Moussolini since we seem to be moving into a Fascistic state.
and so it goes
"fear tactics to paint reform as socialized medicine?" Egad!
Who can possibly be afraid of name calling, especially from the GOP?
Every grown up knows that they need not accept the opinion of others.
We have 'socialized' Big Banking.
We have 'socialized' Big Insurance.
We have 'socialized' Big Auto Making.
Why can't we have 'humanized' medicine? A healthy nation is a happy nation!
Must we emigrate to a kinder, gentler, less corrupt country to survive and raise our children?
Don't forget Socialized Agriculture. Industrialized farming would not exist at its present state without a massive allowance from the government.
We have Socialized Media. The digital television spectrum worth MANY TRILLIONS of $$ was handed over virtually free to the criminal media monopolies who work hard to keep us underinformed and lamely entertained.
We have a Socialized Defense Department. Boeing and buddies demand at least one unnecessary war to justify their disproportionate appropriations. These conflicts are taxpayer funded gratuities.
Don't forget socialized air transport. The airline industry has received billions in federal subsidies and couldn't exist without them. Oh, and don't forget socialized energy -- the oil industry has received hundreds of billions and continues to receive huge subsides every year. The US system is Socialism for the Rich and Large Corporations, Tough Love for everyone else.
That's not socialism, just corporate welfare bums.
Yeah, it sounds more like a form of neo-Fascism
Sioux
CYGNUS: Good points! If only the average Fox viewer could hear them!
Obama underestimated the power of the entrenched interests.
Recall the quote of Rosevelt when someone asked him to do something "make me do it."
Need to generate popular support to force Obama to do things that needed done, like single payer health care.
Too bad that public opinion has been in favor of single-payer universal, Canada style health care for decades; if the public can be ignored repeatedly on such an important human rights issue, what does that say about our version of democracy?
Powell will make decisions which would be good for America? What, like his speech at the UN about the imaginary threats to us in Iraq? He knew the truth and lied anyway.
Next!
Amazing really - the debate unfolding before our eyes.
Congress is pulling back its sheets and what we see is the health lobby curled up next to it.
Damn the people. The truth is being revealed.
And Obama? Does Pontius Pilate's handwashing ring a bell?
Just another issue he was 'for' (while serving as a powerless State Senator) before he was 'against' (as the most powerful politician in the country).
Single payer or Medicare for everyone is the only to provide real health care reform.
The "public option", if passed, will fail. It will cover the older, sickest and poorest (really a subsidy to the private insures who will cover the young, healthy, well-off thus making their business more profitable) making the public option very costly, unable to fund itself, a fiasco (probably the intended outcome).
Helen is correct. It is my responsibility, it should be the President and congress's responsibility "The health of all Americans is our business."
Single payer or Medicare for everyone is the answer.
Barak Obama is triangulating himself into a one term presidency. Can you say President Powel? I'll bet you can four years from now. The hierarchy in the GOP is really not keen on committing political suicide four years from now, and all the Rash Windbags can get damn over themselves. If Colin Powell wants' it he can walk to victory in 2012 easily, with Obama's triangulating himself into a political hangman's noose like crazy and doing so on foreign and domestic policy. Oh, and yes Obama is afraid of something-- all the special interest money of the health insurance industry and otherwise, but he'd better be afraid of the fact that the GOP hierachy wants power back next time and an ideological litimus test isn't gonna be in the picture. Powell's stature as being at a top level in the military does for him what it did Dwight D Eisenhower, and that's that. We could do a lot worse than a black Ike.
Ike cut the Pentagon budget twice in 19555 and 1960 and got away with it. That's not too shabby.
AD
AD, I think you underestimate the power of the fear mongering Democrats. As we get closer to 2012 they will be howling, "Oh no! The Republicans are coming! Obama will save us in his second term! He had to act like a Republican to get reelected! Now you'll see what a wonderful progressive he is...just reelect him!"
Then we will be swamped with a plethora of articles from The Nation liberals and their ilk instructing us to vote for Obama because, although not perfect, he is better than Colin McPalin.
Although Obama is despised by the leftists on CD, all the middle-of-road, NPR uninformed, centrist Democrats I work with think he’s doing a great job and still sport Obama stickers on their autos. They are still saying to give him more time, can't turn an aircraft carrier around on a dime. I'm sure they'll vote for him again.
By the way, if you own a bridge in Hawaii you'd be willing to sell for a modest amount, let me know and I'll put you in contact with them.
Let me help get you up to speed on the virtuous Mr. Powell.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Political/
Collin%20Powell_Legend.html
At this point I think Powell would actually be less pandering to the special healthcare and Wall Street interests than Obama, despite his being a Republican. You are right about Ike. Powell impresses me as someone who doesn't give a damn: he'll do whats right for the country and if his fellow GOP don't like it, they can sulk.
Try typing:
site:commondreams.org "colin powell"
into google. Powell has been a careerist throughout his whole career. He'll do what will advance his career, and get him (into) power.
Huh? Whenever Powell's name comes up, like a recurring nightmare, I get this image of him shaking that little vile of phooey over at the UN in front of the world audience...
What, was not it Powell, the quintessiential soldier who would obey any order directed towards him, who verified and passed on the lies to invade Iraq because they told him to...it's that 'they' which seems still to hold the power and influence even now...that 'they' that seems to make planes flying with the truly progressive voices, fall from the sky?! WE can see what they are up to, and it should not be tolerated or accepted anymore, by anyone in this country, if we are to remain on the path of the dream that is America.
Helen Thomas,
The truth. Your voice of clarity, concern, compassion. We need new ideas, new leaders, a new way of thinking. We don't have them yet. The glimmer, o so small, of hope, comes from people such as yourself. It's not the economy, or anything else, that will carry us forward. It's the truth. The truth. When we no longer have the truth, everything becomes meaningless. The truth has been the greatest casualty in our "war" against everything. Who can you believe? And democracy? What chance of it? Perhaps this could be a turning point. Enough people taking to the streets and effectively working to demand change, justice and representation. It could happen. Where else is there a glimmer of hope? Not in the White House.
Maybe if we called it a "War on Sickness" we'd get some results. We could have "terrorist germs" and call Cancer "The Enemy". Vaccinations could be "bacteria bombs" and regular checkups could be "troop reviews"...
You're funny, elainem, I'm laughing! Don't forget the patriotic blood stirring martial music. Got to have that.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Every time we declare "war" on something in this country nothing meaningful ever seems to get accomplished. No one can even talk about the "war" on drugs with a straight face anymore. And what exactly is the "war" on terrorisim? What are we trying to accomplish with these so-called "wars"? The war on drugs is a complete failure, except maybe for the prison-industrial complex. But yet we still have drugs. And there have been terrorists since there were more than five people walking the earth. Maybe if we didn't keep interfering with other countries we wouldn't have to worry as much about terrorism. That would save a lot of money that could go towards health care for all. And as for the war on drugs? When you look at all the liquor, beer, and prescription drug commercials on tv is it really going to make that much of a difference if pot, cocaine and heroin were legal. It would get the drugs off the streets and out of the hands of the violent drug cartels, and the tax revenue would help. By scaling back or eliminating these two so-called wars it should provide more than enough money for something nearly three quarters of this country is in favor of: Health care for everyone.
I believe the "war" on terrorism is a war against scary nouns that start with "t". So far we have spent about 8 years and about 1/2 trillion dollars but have yet to defeat this first noun. I suspect to it will take a long time and will be very expensive to defeat all of them.
But for some unexplained reason I hear we will not be waging war against the noun, torture. For some reason a lot of us appear to be kind of fond of that noun...
Thank You Helen. You have stated the problem simply and eloquently. However I'm sure our Liar/Worm in chief cares not a iota what you or any of us (including me who has cancer with NO COVERAGE)has to say about the issue. I'm sure he sees his doctor at the first sniffel or sneeze, and gets it paid for with our tax dollars.
wanked, you say you have cancer and no coverage!? Are you being treated at all? Can you file for Public Aid? What options have you looked into? I am so sorry for you. I really hope that you get treatment somehow.
Go in through the narrow gate. The gate to destruction is wide, and the road that leads there is easy to follow. A lot of people go through that gate. But the gate to life is very narrow. The road that leads there is so hard to follow that only a few people find it. Matthew 7:13,14 (CEV)
I'm not particularly religious...okay, I'm an atheist. However, this verse is a truism, no matter your faith. Your President, your Congress and the rest of those who rule you, find it easy as all get out to lead you all to your doom. However, if we really seek the path to a truly better life, we can find it. It's narrow, steep and a struggle to get to the goal but, it's well worth it. All I ask is that we bring along graders, back end loaders, and other equipment to add a few lanes to the narrow road. Black Anarch out.
when one chooses to kill and toxify the living world with which one directly trades molecules, concern about one's health is...late?
the hard road is the one that leads back to the beginning...the choice to kill and toxify...we must unmake that choice...
As long as Obama and his little darlings are covered - along with his corrupt brethren and their families - all is right with the world. They only need the rest of us when the election rolls around which they easily manipulate with a clever marketing schema to persuade the herd. But the herd is being stampeded toward the precipice and will jump off without so much as a whimper.