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The Iranian Uprising is Home Grown, and Must Stay That Way
The growing nonviolent insurrection in Iran against the efforts by the
ruling clerics to return the ultra-conservative and increasingly
autocratic incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinjead to power is
growing. Whatever the outcome, it represents an exciting and
massive outpouring of Iranian civil society for a more open and
pluralistic society.
Ironically, defenders of Ahmadinejad’s repression are trying to blame everyone from the U.S. government to nonviolent theorist Gene Sharp to various small NGOs engaged in educational efforts on strategic nonviolent action as somehow being responsible for the popular uprising in Iran. It appears to be based upon the rather bizarre assumption that millions of Iranians would somehow be willing to pour out onto the streets in the face of violent repression by state security forces only because they have been directed to do so by people from an imperialist power which overthrew their last democratic government and subsequently propped up the tyrannical regime they installed in its place for the next quarter century.
Even putting aside the bizarre spectacle of self-proclaimed “leftists” coming to the defense of a right-wing fundamentalist autocratic like Ahmadinejad, this claim ignores several key factors:
The only people happier than the Iranian elites over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's apparently stolen election win Friday, were the neoconservatives and other hawks eager to block any efforts by the Obama administration to moderate U.S. policy toward the Islamic republic.
Since he was elected president in 2005, Ahmadinejad has filled a certain niche in the American psyche formerly filled by the likes of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi as the Middle Eastern leader we most love to hate. It gives us a sense of righteous superiority to compare ourselves favorably to these seemingly irrational and fanatical foreign despots.
Better yet, if these despots can be inflated into far greater threats than they actually are, these supposed threats can be used to justify the enormous financial and human costs of maintaining American armed forces in that volatile region to protect ourselves and our allies, and even to make war against far-off nations in "self-defense."
The neocons have not been subtle about their desire for Ahmadinejad to continue playing this important role. For example, right-wing pundit Daniel Pipes, at a panel discussion at the Heritage Foundation just before the election, said that he would vote for Ahmadinejad if he could, because he prefers "an enemy who is forthright, blatant, obvious."
Last week, just two days before the Iranian election, Congressional Republicans -- in an apparent effort to provoke a nationalist reaction which would enhance the chances of Iranian hard liners – tried to push through a floor vote to strengthen U.S. sanctions against Iran.
It is interesting how some of the very foreign policy hawks who just last week were dismissing Mir Hossein Mousavi's expected victory as irrelevant since, in their view, there was essentially no meaningful difference between him and Ahmadinejad, are now among the most self-righteous in denouncing the apparent fraud and the most outspoken in their pseudo-outrage at the results.
Their worst-case scenario for these American hawks would be a nonviolent insurrection that would topple Ahmadinejad and allied hard-line clerics and the development of a more pluralistic and representative Islamic Republic in Iran. . Neither the neocons nor Iran's reactionary leadership want to see that oil-rich regional power under a popular and legitimate government. Indeed, the neocons and Iranian hard-liners need each other.
The Nationalist Nature of the Opposition
Mousavi – despite his disagreements with Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei over the years -- has been very much part of the establishment. Indeed, Mousavi would not have even been allowed to run for president otherwise, since the Council of Guardians routinely forbids anyone who is seen to not sufficiently support the country’s theocratic system to participate.
Yet, Mousavi attracted a large and enthusiastic following during the course of the campaign which may have led the ruling clerics to fear that the momentum of his incipient victory could result not just in limited reforms, like those attempted under former president Mohammed Khatami, but revolutionary change. The size and intensity of Mousavi’s final campaign rally, in which he referred to Ahmadinejad as a “dictator” -- which, by extension, implied an indictment of the system as a whole -- may have tilted the clerics into believing they could not take the risk of allowing the anticipated results to be verified. Despite his candidacy displaying a personality and style closer to Michael Dukakis than Barack Obama, Mousavi came to represent the change so many Iranians, especially young people, desperately desired and appeared determined to make happen.
Even among Iranians dedicated to the principles of the Islamic Republic, many now see their country essentially as a police state, recognizing that Ahmadinejad and the ruling clerics are little more than corrupt self-interested politicians who have manipulated their people’s religious faith for the sake of their own power.
However strong their opposition to the current regime, the democratic and reformist opposition simply does not trust the United States, which overthrew Iran’s last democratic government in 1953, armed and trained the Shah’s brutal security apparatus, backed Saddam Hussein in his bloody war against their country, imposed strict economic sanctions on their country, and has hypocritically obsessed about their civilian nuclear program while supporting such neighboring states as Israel, Pakistan and India despite their developing nuclear arsenals.
While Congress in recent years has approved millions of dollars in funding to support various Iranian opposition groups to promote “regime change,” most of these groups are led by exiles who have virtually no following within Iran or any experience with the kinds of grassroots mobilization necessary to build a popular movement that could threaten the regime's survival. By contrast, most of the credible opposition within Iran has renounced this U.S. initiative and has asserted that it has simply made it easier for the regime to claim that all pro-democracy groups and activists are paid agents of the United States.
Feeling pressure from Iranian democrats and major Iranian-American groups regarding such counter-productive efforts, Obama and the Democrats have since ended this controversial program. Ironically, Republicans are now attacking the administration for having somehow abandoned Iran’s pro-democracy struggle while Ahmadinejad and his supporters are citing the now-discarded effort as proof of U.S. complicity in the current uprising.
Generations of Struggle
Most Iranians – who have traditionally been very proud of their political, social and cultural history – would find it rather bizarre to learn that some Western bloggers, ignorant of that very history, are insisting that the recent protests are a result not of their own anger at an apparent stolen election and continued autocratic rule, but simply because some Americans have told them to.
In reality, uprisings like the one witnessed in recent days have occurred with some regularity in Iran since the late 1800s. Indeed, the idea of Americans having to teach Iranians about massive nonviolent resistance is like Americans teaching Iranians to cook fesenjan.
In 1890, unpopular concessions on tobacco and other products to the British led leading Shia clerics to call for nationalist protests and a nationwide tobacco strike, which succeeded in forcing the Shah to cancel the concession in early 1892.
In 1905, in opposition to widespread corruption by the Qajar dynasty and allied regional nobles and a series of other concessions to Russian and other foreign interests, an uprising initially led by merchants and clergy ensued which would continue for the next six years. In what became known as the Constitutional Revolution, many thousands of Iranians engaged in peaceful protests, boycotts and mass sit-ins, along with occasional riots and scattered armed engagements. The result was significant political and social reforms, including the establishment of an elected parliament to share power with the Shah and anti-corruption measures.
A CIA-sponsored coup in 1953 ousted the elected nationalist prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh and his nationalist supporters and returned the exiled Shah to power as an absolute monarch. Through mass arms transfers from the United States, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi built one of the most powerful armed forces ever seen in the Middle East. His American-trained secret police, the SAVAK, had been thought to have successfully terrorized the population into submission during the next two decades through widespread killings, torture and mass detentions. By the mid-1970s, most of the leftist, liberal, nationalist, and other secular opposition leadership had been successfully repressed through murder, imprisonment or exile, and most of their organizations banned. It was impossible to suppress the Islamist opposition as thoroughly, however, so it was out of mosques and among the mullahs that much of the organized leadership of the movement against the Shah’s dictatorship emerged.
Open resistance began in 1977, when exiled opposition leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called for strikes, boycotts, tax refusal and other forms of noncooperation with the Shahs regime. Such activism was met with brutal repression by the government. The pace of the resistance accelerated as massacres of civilians were answered by larger demonstrations following the Islamic 40-day mourning period. In the months that followed, Iranians employed many of the methods that would be used in the unarmed insurrections that toppled dictatorships in the Philippines, Latin America, Eastern Europe and elsewhere in subsequent years: mass demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, contestation of public space, and the establishment of parallel institutions.
Despite the bloody image of the revolution and the authoritarianism and militarism of the Islamic Republic that followed, there was a clear commitment to keeping the actual insurrection largely nonviolent. Protestors were told by the leadership of the resistance to try to win over the troops rather than attack them; indeed, thousands of troops deserted, some in the middle of confrontations with crowds. Clandestinely smuggled audio cassette tapes of Ayatollah Khomeini speaking about the revolution played a key role in the movement's mass mobilization, and led Abolhassan Sadegh, an official with the Ministry of National Guidance, to note that “tape cassettes are stronger than fighter planes.” Ayatollah Khomeini’s speeches, circulated through such covert methods, emphasized the power of unarmed resistance and noncooperation. In one speech, he said, “The clenched fists of freedom fighters can crush the tanks and guns of the oppressors.” There were few of the violent activities normally associated with armed revolutions such as shooting soldiers, setting fires to government buildings or looting. Such incidents that did occur were unorganized and spontaneous and did not appear to have the support of the leadership of the movement.
In October and November of 1978, a series of strikes by civil servants and workers in government industries crippled the country. The crisis deepened when oil workers struck at the end of October and demanded the release of political prisoners, costing the government $60 million a day. An ensuing general strike on November 6 paralyzed the country. Even as some workers returned to their jobs, disruption of fuel oil supplies and freight transit, combined with shortages of raw materials resulting from a customs strike, largely kept economic life in the country at a standstill.
Despite providing rhetorical support for an improvement in the human rights situation in Iran, the Carter administration continued military and economic support for the Shah’s increasingly repressive regime, even providing fuel for the armed forces and other security services facing shortages due to the strikes.
Under enormous pressure, the oil workers returned to work but continued to stage slowdowns. Later in November, the Shah’s nightly speeches were interrupted when workers cut off the electricity at precisely the time of his scheduled addresses. Massive protests filled the streets in major cities in December as oil workers walked out again and an ongoing general strike closed the refineries and the central bank. Despite thousands of unarmed protesters being killed by the Shah’s forces, the protesters' numbers increased, with as many as nine million Iranians taking to the streets in of cities across the country in largely nonviolent protests. The Shah fled on January 16, 1979, and Ayatollah Khomeini returned from exile two weeks later. He appointed Mehdi Bazargan prime minister, thus establishing a parallel government to challenge the Shah's appointed prime minister Shapur Bahktiar. With the loyalty of the vast majority clearly with the new Islamic government, Bahktiar resigned February 11.
One element that contributed to people’s willingness to mobilize under harsh repression was the value of martyrdom in Shia Islam. The movement’s emphasis was to “save Islam by our blood.” Indeed, there are interesting parallels between the legacy of martyrdom inspired by early Shia leader Imam Hossein with the Gandhian tradition of self-sacrifice. As demonstrated by their subsequent rule, the Iranian revolution’s leadership – unlike Mohandas Gandhi – clearly did not support nonviolence as a principle, but recognized its utilitarian advantages against the well-armed security apparatus of the Shah’s regime.
While the revolution had the support of a broad cross-section of society (including Islamists, secularists, nationalists, laborers, and ethnic minorities), Khomeini and other leading Shia clerics strengthened by a pre-existing network of social service and other parallel institutions consolidated their hold and established an Islamic theocracy. The regime shifted far to the right by the spring of 1981, purging moderate Islamists including the elected president Abolhassan Bani-Sadr and imposing a totalitarian system.
A New Revolution?
Now, a new generation of Iranians is rising up in the tradition of previous generations using largely nonviolent tactics to challenge their oppression. Those out on the streets in Tehran, Isfahan, Tabriz, and other cities are not just middle class intellectuals but also represent a broad cross-section of the poor and working class and include both the majority Persians as well as other ethnicities.
It is not clear whether the opposition can successfully organize a “people power” revolution of the kind which have succeeded in ousting autocrats who attempted to steal elections in such countries as the Philippines in 1986, Serbia in 2000, or Ukraine in 2005 or whether – as in Azerbaijan, Belarus, and Mexico – the regime will remain in power.
In any case, it is clearly a home-grown indigenous struggle. Any effort by the United States (which has allowed one --and possible two--stolen elections to stand in recent years) to intervene will only hurt the pro-democracy movement. Given the history of U.S. interventionism in Iran, Obama's cautious approach will do more to help those in the current popular struggle than anything more explicit, despite Republican demands to the contrary.
The future of Iran belongs in the hands of the Iranians and the best thing the United States can do to support a more open and pluralistic society in that country is to stay the hell out of the way.
Ironically, defenders of Ahmadinejad’s repression are trying to blame everyone from the U.S. government to nonviolent theorist Gene Sharp to various small NGOs engaged in educational efforts on strategic nonviolent action as somehow being responsible for the popular uprising in Iran. It appears to be based upon the rather bizarre assumption that millions of Iranians would somehow be willing to pour out onto the streets in the face of violent repression by state security forces only because they have been directed to do so by people from an imperialist power which overthrew their last democratic government and subsequently propped up the tyrannical regime they installed in its place for the next quarter century.
Even putting aside the bizarre spectacle of self-proclaimed “leftists” coming to the defense of a right-wing fundamentalist autocratic like Ahmadinejad, this claim ignores several key factors:
1) Neo-conservatives and other American hawks were hoping for a victory by the hard-line incumbent to justify their opposition to President Barack Obama’s tentative steps at rapprochement with the Islamic Republic.The Neo-Cons Supported Ahmadinejad
2) Opposition candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi and the vast majority of his supporters are strongly nationalist, anti-American, anti-imperialist, and would neither desire nor accept U.S. support.
3) There has been a longstanding Iranian tradition of such largely nonviolent civil insurrections against imperialist powers and autocratic rulers and no outside power is needed to convince the Iranian people to rebel.
The only people happier than the Iranian elites over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's apparently stolen election win Friday, were the neoconservatives and other hawks eager to block any efforts by the Obama administration to moderate U.S. policy toward the Islamic republic.
Since he was elected president in 2005, Ahmadinejad has filled a certain niche in the American psyche formerly filled by the likes of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi as the Middle Eastern leader we most love to hate. It gives us a sense of righteous superiority to compare ourselves favorably to these seemingly irrational and fanatical foreign despots.
Better yet, if these despots can be inflated into far greater threats than they actually are, these supposed threats can be used to justify the enormous financial and human costs of maintaining American armed forces in that volatile region to protect ourselves and our allies, and even to make war against far-off nations in "self-defense."
The neocons have not been subtle about their desire for Ahmadinejad to continue playing this important role. For example, right-wing pundit Daniel Pipes, at a panel discussion at the Heritage Foundation just before the election, said that he would vote for Ahmadinejad if he could, because he prefers "an enemy who is forthright, blatant, obvious."
Last week, just two days before the Iranian election, Congressional Republicans -- in an apparent effort to provoke a nationalist reaction which would enhance the chances of Iranian hard liners – tried to push through a floor vote to strengthen U.S. sanctions against Iran.
It is interesting how some of the very foreign policy hawks who just last week were dismissing Mir Hossein Mousavi's expected victory as irrelevant since, in their view, there was essentially no meaningful difference between him and Ahmadinejad, are now among the most self-righteous in denouncing the apparent fraud and the most outspoken in their pseudo-outrage at the results.
Their worst-case scenario for these American hawks would be a nonviolent insurrection that would topple Ahmadinejad and allied hard-line clerics and the development of a more pluralistic and representative Islamic Republic in Iran. . Neither the neocons nor Iran's reactionary leadership want to see that oil-rich regional power under a popular and legitimate government. Indeed, the neocons and Iranian hard-liners need each other.
The Nationalist Nature of the Opposition
Mousavi – despite his disagreements with Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei over the years -- has been very much part of the establishment. Indeed, Mousavi would not have even been allowed to run for president otherwise, since the Council of Guardians routinely forbids anyone who is seen to not sufficiently support the country’s theocratic system to participate.
Yet, Mousavi attracted a large and enthusiastic following during the course of the campaign which may have led the ruling clerics to fear that the momentum of his incipient victory could result not just in limited reforms, like those attempted under former president Mohammed Khatami, but revolutionary change. The size and intensity of Mousavi’s final campaign rally, in which he referred to Ahmadinejad as a “dictator” -- which, by extension, implied an indictment of the system as a whole -- may have tilted the clerics into believing they could not take the risk of allowing the anticipated results to be verified. Despite his candidacy displaying a personality and style closer to Michael Dukakis than Barack Obama, Mousavi came to represent the change so many Iranians, especially young people, desperately desired and appeared determined to make happen.
Even among Iranians dedicated to the principles of the Islamic Republic, many now see their country essentially as a police state, recognizing that Ahmadinejad and the ruling clerics are little more than corrupt self-interested politicians who have manipulated their people’s religious faith for the sake of their own power.
However strong their opposition to the current regime, the democratic and reformist opposition simply does not trust the United States, which overthrew Iran’s last democratic government in 1953, armed and trained the Shah’s brutal security apparatus, backed Saddam Hussein in his bloody war against their country, imposed strict economic sanctions on their country, and has hypocritically obsessed about their civilian nuclear program while supporting such neighboring states as Israel, Pakistan and India despite their developing nuclear arsenals.
While Congress in recent years has approved millions of dollars in funding to support various Iranian opposition groups to promote “regime change,” most of these groups are led by exiles who have virtually no following within Iran or any experience with the kinds of grassroots mobilization necessary to build a popular movement that could threaten the regime's survival. By contrast, most of the credible opposition within Iran has renounced this U.S. initiative and has asserted that it has simply made it easier for the regime to claim that all pro-democracy groups and activists are paid agents of the United States.
Feeling pressure from Iranian democrats and major Iranian-American groups regarding such counter-productive efforts, Obama and the Democrats have since ended this controversial program. Ironically, Republicans are now attacking the administration for having somehow abandoned Iran’s pro-democracy struggle while Ahmadinejad and his supporters are citing the now-discarded effort as proof of U.S. complicity in the current uprising.
Generations of Struggle
Most Iranians – who have traditionally been very proud of their political, social and cultural history – would find it rather bizarre to learn that some Western bloggers, ignorant of that very history, are insisting that the recent protests are a result not of their own anger at an apparent stolen election and continued autocratic rule, but simply because some Americans have told them to.
In reality, uprisings like the one witnessed in recent days have occurred with some regularity in Iran since the late 1800s. Indeed, the idea of Americans having to teach Iranians about massive nonviolent resistance is like Americans teaching Iranians to cook fesenjan.
In 1890, unpopular concessions on tobacco and other products to the British led leading Shia clerics to call for nationalist protests and a nationwide tobacco strike, which succeeded in forcing the Shah to cancel the concession in early 1892.
In 1905, in opposition to widespread corruption by the Qajar dynasty and allied regional nobles and a series of other concessions to Russian and other foreign interests, an uprising initially led by merchants and clergy ensued which would continue for the next six years. In what became known as the Constitutional Revolution, many thousands of Iranians engaged in peaceful protests, boycotts and mass sit-ins, along with occasional riots and scattered armed engagements. The result was significant political and social reforms, including the establishment of an elected parliament to share power with the Shah and anti-corruption measures.
A CIA-sponsored coup in 1953 ousted the elected nationalist prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh and his nationalist supporters and returned the exiled Shah to power as an absolute monarch. Through mass arms transfers from the United States, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi built one of the most powerful armed forces ever seen in the Middle East. His American-trained secret police, the SAVAK, had been thought to have successfully terrorized the population into submission during the next two decades through widespread killings, torture and mass detentions. By the mid-1970s, most of the leftist, liberal, nationalist, and other secular opposition leadership had been successfully repressed through murder, imprisonment or exile, and most of their organizations banned. It was impossible to suppress the Islamist opposition as thoroughly, however, so it was out of mosques and among the mullahs that much of the organized leadership of the movement against the Shah’s dictatorship emerged.
Open resistance began in 1977, when exiled opposition leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called for strikes, boycotts, tax refusal and other forms of noncooperation with the Shahs regime. Such activism was met with brutal repression by the government. The pace of the resistance accelerated as massacres of civilians were answered by larger demonstrations following the Islamic 40-day mourning period. In the months that followed, Iranians employed many of the methods that would be used in the unarmed insurrections that toppled dictatorships in the Philippines, Latin America, Eastern Europe and elsewhere in subsequent years: mass demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, contestation of public space, and the establishment of parallel institutions.
Despite the bloody image of the revolution and the authoritarianism and militarism of the Islamic Republic that followed, there was a clear commitment to keeping the actual insurrection largely nonviolent. Protestors were told by the leadership of the resistance to try to win over the troops rather than attack them; indeed, thousands of troops deserted, some in the middle of confrontations with crowds. Clandestinely smuggled audio cassette tapes of Ayatollah Khomeini speaking about the revolution played a key role in the movement's mass mobilization, and led Abolhassan Sadegh, an official with the Ministry of National Guidance, to note that “tape cassettes are stronger than fighter planes.” Ayatollah Khomeini’s speeches, circulated through such covert methods, emphasized the power of unarmed resistance and noncooperation. In one speech, he said, “The clenched fists of freedom fighters can crush the tanks and guns of the oppressors.” There were few of the violent activities normally associated with armed revolutions such as shooting soldiers, setting fires to government buildings or looting. Such incidents that did occur were unorganized and spontaneous and did not appear to have the support of the leadership of the movement.
In October and November of 1978, a series of strikes by civil servants and workers in government industries crippled the country. The crisis deepened when oil workers struck at the end of October and demanded the release of political prisoners, costing the government $60 million a day. An ensuing general strike on November 6 paralyzed the country. Even as some workers returned to their jobs, disruption of fuel oil supplies and freight transit, combined with shortages of raw materials resulting from a customs strike, largely kept economic life in the country at a standstill.
Despite providing rhetorical support for an improvement in the human rights situation in Iran, the Carter administration continued military and economic support for the Shah’s increasingly repressive regime, even providing fuel for the armed forces and other security services facing shortages due to the strikes.
Under enormous pressure, the oil workers returned to work but continued to stage slowdowns. Later in November, the Shah’s nightly speeches were interrupted when workers cut off the electricity at precisely the time of his scheduled addresses. Massive protests filled the streets in major cities in December as oil workers walked out again and an ongoing general strike closed the refineries and the central bank. Despite thousands of unarmed protesters being killed by the Shah’s forces, the protesters' numbers increased, with as many as nine million Iranians taking to the streets in of cities across the country in largely nonviolent protests. The Shah fled on January 16, 1979, and Ayatollah Khomeini returned from exile two weeks later. He appointed Mehdi Bazargan prime minister, thus establishing a parallel government to challenge the Shah's appointed prime minister Shapur Bahktiar. With the loyalty of the vast majority clearly with the new Islamic government, Bahktiar resigned February 11.
One element that contributed to people’s willingness to mobilize under harsh repression was the value of martyrdom in Shia Islam. The movement’s emphasis was to “save Islam by our blood.” Indeed, there are interesting parallels between the legacy of martyrdom inspired by early Shia leader Imam Hossein with the Gandhian tradition of self-sacrifice. As demonstrated by their subsequent rule, the Iranian revolution’s leadership – unlike Mohandas Gandhi – clearly did not support nonviolence as a principle, but recognized its utilitarian advantages against the well-armed security apparatus of the Shah’s regime.
While the revolution had the support of a broad cross-section of society (including Islamists, secularists, nationalists, laborers, and ethnic minorities), Khomeini and other leading Shia clerics strengthened by a pre-existing network of social service and other parallel institutions consolidated their hold and established an Islamic theocracy. The regime shifted far to the right by the spring of 1981, purging moderate Islamists including the elected president Abolhassan Bani-Sadr and imposing a totalitarian system.
A New Revolution?
Now, a new generation of Iranians is rising up in the tradition of previous generations using largely nonviolent tactics to challenge their oppression. Those out on the streets in Tehran, Isfahan, Tabriz, and other cities are not just middle class intellectuals but also represent a broad cross-section of the poor and working class and include both the majority Persians as well as other ethnicities.
It is not clear whether the opposition can successfully organize a “people power” revolution of the kind which have succeeded in ousting autocrats who attempted to steal elections in such countries as the Philippines in 1986, Serbia in 2000, or Ukraine in 2005 or whether – as in Azerbaijan, Belarus, and Mexico – the regime will remain in power.
In any case, it is clearly a home-grown indigenous struggle. Any effort by the United States (which has allowed one --and possible two--stolen elections to stand in recent years) to intervene will only hurt the pro-democracy movement. Given the history of U.S. interventionism in Iran, Obama's cautious approach will do more to help those in the current popular struggle than anything more explicit, despite Republican demands to the contrary.
The future of Iran belongs in the hands of the Iranians and the best thing the United States can do to support a more open and pluralistic society in that country is to stay the hell out of the way.
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Show AllGood morning, class!
Eagerly awaiting the impending onslaught of wild accusations and mud slinging.
Also see: Cynthia Boaz, Asst. Prof. of Political Science, Consultant on Nonviolent Action:
"The Iranian people have periodically risen up against oppressive rulers over the decades, and they don't need external forces to tell them what to do. There are numerous movements in Iran that have been organizing for years. Ahmadinejad's hubris and ignorance in attempting to steal this election has given those movements a window of opportunity to join together and collectively demand an end to the oppression. Do folks really think US agencies -- of whom the Iranian people have every reason to be suspicious given the last 8 years (and beyond) -- are capable of mobilizing hundreds of thousands of people who are ten thousand miles away...and then getting them to continue showing up on the streets, even when they're being shot at? The notion is ridiculous, even ethnocentric in that it presumes that Iranians are so ignorant that they'd turn out in scores to risk their lives just because an American agency suggested it. No, the Green Revolution belongs solely to the Iranians."
LINK: http://tinyurl.com/read-something
And posted at Norman Finkelstein's website:
Gideon Levy writes: "It makes one green with envy: The scenes from Iran prove that some nations are trying to take their fate into their own hands. Some nations are not floating on the surface in sickly indifference, some are not looking around in endless complacence. And some are not following their leaders with the blindness of a herd. There are moments in the histories of certain nations when the people say enough. No more.
Czechs and Ukrainians, French and Russians, South Africans and Palestinians, Thais and Chinese, Lebanese and now Iranians have taken to the streets on at least one inspirational occasion and tried to make an impact. Some succeeded, some failed, but at least they tried. They did not surrender to their failed leaders, who dragged them from bad to worse. This is not only about rising up against a tyrannical regime; sometimes it’s about a struggle for justice in democracies, too. That struggle is not conducted only in polls and elections; such struggles must spill out onto the streets. Here, too."
LINK: http://tinyurl.com/free-everyone
There's also a pretty good article on the UK Guardian that provides some background on Mousavi and Khamenei:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
commentisfree/2009/jun/18/
iran-mousavi-khamenei
Anti imperialist leftists might want to know that Mousavi was once on Hezbollah's leadership council.
US says Mousavi is friend today....until he says something against the empire....
just like when Saddam was a friend....or Noriega was a friend...etc. etc
sigh.....
Hezbollah is an anti-Imperialist group, which was founded to end the Israeli occupation of Lebanese lands. Defending your land against occupation for foreign powers is allowed under international law, which is why most European countries refuse to deem Hezbollah as a terrorist group.
The group has Muslims, but also Christians and secular Marxists (Source: The book "Dying to Win"), and its targets are primarily military. At least for me, affiliation with Hezbollah does not rule out support for anyone. Do you think it should?
Also, you named several Iranian leaders and said they are all part of the establishment. That seems likely to be true. Do you know where we can read something fairly objective about them? Maybe someone has written a book that is reasonably unbiased?
The article you referenced is interesting...want to read more. :)
Boaz should not be a Professor of Politic Science if she thinks the one unplausible possibility is that the "American agency suggested it".
Kermit did not suggest he bribed and plotted.
And half a century and billions in physcops and blackops developement, the dirty tools are many and some very sophisticated ( besides the basic weapons and logistic support).
I hope by "Here, too" Norman is referring to the USA
The link in question is to Norman Finkelstein's website, in which he has posted an article by Gideon Levy, who writes, "It’s true, there is liberty in Israel, but only for us, the Jews. We have a regime that is no less tyrannical than the ayatollahs’ regime: the regime of the officers and the settlers in the territories. But what do we have to do with any of this? In Iran, police disperse demonstrations with violence, they shoot and kill. And what do we do?
When you get a chance, go on Friday to Na’alin or Bil’in and see what happens there. Demonstrators are killed here with similar brutality, but in Iran the crowd is standing up to a tyrannical regime, while here only a handful of brave people stand up to the Border Police, who are firing weapons. Moreover, we hardly write anything about the protest being silenced with bullets. It interests no one, and this, too, is called democracy."
Though he may as well be referring to the United States, where people are generally as blind.
I may be mistaken but is not Norman a rabid zionist?
You are quite mistaken. He is one of the world's most outspoken critics of Israel, and has paid dearly for it.
In more ways than one, yes, you are quite mistaken.
Then he was the victim of a rabid zionist academic.
Higly unlikely, but since he's off script on this particular subject I notice that most people here who would otherwise love him are keeping silent. Norman is right on Palestine and here.
Dershowitz. Lovely people, these Zionists.
Regardless of whether the elections were valid.
And regardless of how powerful CIA efforts are.
My question is why is no one examining Mousavi?
He was Prime Minister 1981-88 and presided over the execution of 30,000 jailed Political Prisoners.
Prior to mass murder he ordered the closure of all Universities for four years.
Some are claiming he was involved in Iran Contra.
Why is supporting a mass murderer a good thing?
If the elections were fixed would destabilizing Iran and/or installing a mass murderer be the lesser of two evils?
As reference the 2000 and 2004 USA elections were stolen by a man who became a mass murderer.
How many people are examining Khamenei's record? Mousavi was Prime Minister under Khomeini. Khamenei was President.
Do you think Iranians are not aware of Mousavi's record? Or Khamenei's record?
There are no saints here. All of them, Mousavi, Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Rafsanjani, Rehzai, Karoubi, are part of the establishment.
And I don't think anyone seriously thought otherwise. Before people say "no one" they should check a search engine out now and again. If no one is looking at it, where are they getting their information from?
Again, no one knows better than the Iranian people what their government has been up to. An insult to suggest otherwise.
"Again, no one knows better than the Iranian people what their government has been up to. An insult to suggest otherwise."
That is my point.
I find it amusing to see anti-imperialist leftists in western countries try to demonise Mousavi, when in other situations, if he were not challenging the bete noire of the US and Israel, Ahmadinejad, they might even be leaping to his defense: his role in Hezbollah, his role in the Iranian revolution, his anti-American past, his role in the Iranian nuclear program.
It is grand irony, that Mousavi, who was a conservative under Khomeini, is now a progressive, whreas Khamenei, who was more progressive under Khomeini, has now become the arch leader of the conservatives.
As the Iranian half of my family tells when I make say as much, welcome to politics in Iran. We (especially we on the outside) don't have to support this or that regime. There are the people, struggling inside the country, and we can give them some credit for working toward the sort of society that they and many others around the world also work for, actually want. What is happening there has surpassed being about Mousouvi.
Mousouvi?!
IF you're going to pawn your wares and babble on, at least get your names right.
Either Moussavi or Mousavi.
Mousouvi isn't the same guy.
Sometimes I get typing to quick. Thanks. It is Mousouvi. On the topic of babbling, why should all you people get to do it like crazy sans logic or sources and yet when someone offers any sort of other comments, cited, you seem to go nuts? Keep the blinders on.
Let's see USAans are largely clueles about Obama.
Irans were walked over by the USA in '53.
Many idealists are subverted by the nefarious, why should Iranians be any different?
No one means the MSM and every CD article,of the ten or so that have been posted, until one today.
I say Bullshit.
Read Ken Ballen and Patrick Doherty's report on their poll three weeks before the election.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html
The four hundred million bucks that the USA approved for the de-stabilization of Iran is clearly being used.
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
Ah, the ol'e terror free tomorrow poll, brought to you by John McCain.
Drew 10:51 -------- Sorry I lack the information to understand your comment.
Are you an employee of the USA or Israeli governments?
Look up the board of directors of the organization in question.
You don't know the irony inherent in the question you're asking. But I enjoyed being asked it all the same.
CIA means homegrown.
Mossad means homegrown. Mossad even boasts about infiltrating Iran.
Good luck to all those who rally for democracy.
That doesn't include the US or Israel.
As usual, I remain unimpressed.
When the CIA is funding Sunni terrorist emanating from Baluchistan it is kind of disingenuous to say the USA should not get involved.
Disengenuous on the part of the CIA, perhaps. But we're talking about someone else commenting on it. As people, I think it's ok to say it. Whether governments listen is another hing.
Zunes is writing as if CIA is not already destabilizing Iran. As an "expert" in his field, presenting a scenario, it is his responsibilty to mention the pre-existing and on going interventions.
So now we are to believe that because the US does not really like Mousavi, they would never support his gaining power.?
It is INSTABILITY they want. They could not care less who came out on top any more then they cared when they armed the Mujahadeen In Afghanistan.
I would point out that Israel helped found HAMAS and thet Great Britain help found the Muslim Bortherhood and that the USA funded and supported Fundamentalists all to ensure the region remained instable.
Again why does mr Zunes not mention the ABC report of 1997 where then President Bush issued a Finding authorizing the CIA to destablize Iran and providing the funds for them to do so?
Are there peoples in Iran who do not support its current governmnet? OF course. There are people in EVERY NATION in the world that do not support their current government. Millions marched to protest the Iraq war in the United States and in Britain. The French regularly take to the streets in protest when they deo not like some policy of their Government.
That does not MEAN fraud occurred and it does not mean that the CIA is not involved or that the Western media reports on this objectively.
Nor does it mean that they are involved. People know that the CIA has been involved in IRan, what we've seen no proof of is that this is a CIA backed protest or that the talk of vote fraud is somehow the work of spooks as opposed to legitimate concerns by the Iranian people, which is what I hear from Iranian people, in english and in farsi.
Likewise Irainians are calling the BBC and saying VOC and BBC Persia are encouraging the demostations.
Interesting. Where are you hearing this? Was the BBC let off its leash? Last I heard SMS and mobile networks were still off but regular phones were intermitant in and out of service.
Was the BBC let off its leash?
No, just about everyone is using a proxy including the Supreme Ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who demonized Britain today for encouraging the civil unrest as he didn't want to confront AmeriKKKa directly.
BBC news broadcast on a local USA radio station. Call in show to BBC.
Exactly, GW North. Bush made no mystery of the fact that he was going to try to destabilize Iran, and I think we are seeing, at least in part, some of the fruits of that effort. The very alacrity with which US "journalists" jumped to the conclusion that the election was rigged, and the shrill reactions to this hasty conclusion--whether actually correct or not--should raise a thousand red flags. This is psyops at its best.
Zunes, moreover, is wrong when he says that the neocons wanted Ahmadinejad to win. As Glenn Greenwald commented the other day, the people shrieking loudest about the "stolen" elections were the very same who a few weeks earlier were calling for Iran to be bombed. What these people want, as you say, is instability and turmoil. And they've got it.
You could add to that the $400 million that was set aside to destabilize the Iranian government as late as 2007. Only the top level members of Congress were informed. It might just help if Obama would cancel that program.
It is times like these that past history of CIA and US Policy will cries of "Boy who cried Wolf" when it comes to question whether CIA is involved in Iran .
This is a natural collateral damage caused by opaque CIA and Hypocrite US Foreign policies (going back 50 years +). Not clear this can be mitigated by secret institutions.
Iranians Up risers must be aware that CIA and US has historically influenced their country.
Only way this Iranian Uprising against oppressive state-religious (God's Government) cabal can be judged to be home grown is how long it can sustain itself.
It must use 1968 US revolutionary methods of - non-violence , flowers and music . Is CIA sponsoring any of these methods? Probably Not!
toophat for you!
Of course the CIA's history invites a certain natural suspicion here. So would, however, the structure of an ectopn system in which a supreme ruler has to authorize all candidates and vote counting is done in secret with no method of veriification. People hide things for a reason.
Does anyone remember of late: the orange revolution, the cedar revolution or the what-ev-ver revolution of a few years ago? Yup - smells vaguely familiar, huh.
Stephen Zunes nails it on the head: the best possible outcome from this situation can only happen if events in Iran are driven from Iran by Iranians. Anything else, & Khamenei gets to have his anointed buffoon, Ahmedinejad, whom is much easier to manipulate & control, than Moussavi, with whom he has a prior history that is not altogether harmonious. Similarly, Khamenei and Ahmedinejad share a similar social background, poor, whereas the crowd opposing them have a more affluent upbringing (especially Rafsanjani). While the corporate media descriptions of "reformers versus conservatives" makes for a snappy narrative on an ADD addled audience, what is actually going on is a lot more complex and multi-layered. If the end result is a partial loosening of the virtual stranglehold the mullahs have on the levers of power of the Iranian state, then that is a good thing.
But let's not pretend that at present only Iranians are driving events. And it may be that Ahmedinejad won the election.
Astounding.
So you think that CIA involvement is only a "possibility".
Ulterior motive?
Astounding.
So you think that CIA involvement is only a "possibility".
Ulterior motive?
You apologists are astounding.
So now we're supposed to pretend that the CIA is ineffective, in spite of Peru, Greece, Iran etc.
And as a result, we're supposed to pretend that the CIA is not a factor in Iran.
And why are we supposed to pretend this? Because you come up with some ridiculous story.
And you expect us to believe it? You Zionist trolls will say anything and see if it sticks on the wall.
Don't like "astounding" when you post the "obvious"ly false? I'll go with "disgusting".
Happy to hear you're not a Zionist. My apologies.
And yet - what proof do you have that dirty tricks don't work anymore? They certainly work in the US.
Besides your story, and I'm wondering how you knew it was CIA - did they leave a calling card? - and why would you possibly think that they couldn't come up with new tricks? New tricks certainly work here.
Again, I'm happy to hear you're not a Zionist, and look forward to your clarifications.
And I agree about moving them to Crawford. The truth of the matter is that if the Israelis moved to the US, I firmly believe both the US and the Middle East would be better off for it, and by extension the world.
what makes you think mousavi isnt an annointed buffoon? did he not get approved by khamenei's own guardian council that approves candidates?
and why is he less easier to manipulate and control? the guy was prime minister in the 1980s.
in many ways mousavi is a lot like obama. he is not a challenge to power. he too is a genuflector.
the kids in the street, with their green and "wheres my vote" signs and taking a beating are stooges to a puppet show. who cares where their votes are? their votes wouldnt have changed where the real power lies anyway.
unless this uprising moves away from the election and mousavi and towards a general uprising against khamenei - which in some cases is the case - then its doomed to either extinguish or be co-opted.
"what makes you think mousavi isn't an annoited buffoon?"
For one, Mousavi does not spout the Holocaust denial hooey that is usually the province of dimwitted Stormfront.org types at every opportunity. That alone qualifies Ahmadinejad as a buffoon.
Yes, Mousavi and his supporters are approved by the mullahs, but Khamenei expected them to be token opponents to continue the appearance of plurality in Iran instead of the grubby Middle East theocracy that is too similar to other autocracies in the neighborhood.
"and why is he less easier to manipulate and control?the guy was prime minister in the 1980's."
Khamenei and Mousavi were relative equals during the 80's under Khomeini. Any experience in government, business, or the military will tell one that it is usually a recipe for disaster when former equals (especially those whom were not friendly) have to work together again with one in a superior position over the other. Add in that Mousavi did a much better job with the economy despite the Iran-Iraq War than Khamenei's anointed buffoon has during peace time does not reflect well on the Supreme Leader...and Mousavi in office again would only highlight this. A Supreme Leader appearing fallible in a theocracy is quite dangerous...for the said supreme leader.
Mousavi and Khamenei were rivals during the 80s.
"the kids in the street, with their green and "wheres my vote" signs and taking a beating are stooges to a puppet show. who cares where their votes are? their votes wouldnt have changed where the real power lies anyway."
How very imperialist of you.