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It's Going to Take a Civic Jolt
Can Congress "walk and chew gum at the same time?"
This phrase used by President Lyndon Johnson for one of his political opponents comes to mind at a time early in the first 100 days of the Obama Administration when supposedly many long-overdue changes and rollbacks are possible.
It is not just that Congress is completely absorbed with the tax-cut-stimulus package. It is stasis that seems to be enveloping, even within its numerous well-funded and staffed committees in the House and Senate, from even the signaling of serious movement toward rolling back Bush-pushed legislation and starting widely supported forays that take hope to change.
The continuation of this state of stasis is made more likely because the Republican minority is feeling its oats. It put the White House on the defensive during the struggle to enact economic recovery legislation even though previous Republican policies and coddling of Wall Street for eight years build a steep cliff for financial collapse. Add the de-regulatory moves of 1999 and 2000 by the Clinton-Rubin crowd and the financial meltdown accelerates.
There is something else operating. One gets the feel on Capitol Hill among some fairly sharp people of a lack of horizon, a paucity of progressive determination, a sense of being overwhelmed by the corporate forces still bearing down on Congress-easily the most powerful branch of government under our Constitution.
But Congress does not act as if it is the most powerful branch. It routinely abdicates its constitutional responsibilities-the declaration of war authority and the plenary authority to investigate and require access to information in the executive branch.
Even after the Democrats took control of the Congress in January 2007, George W. Bush again and again got his way including a rubber stamp for the huge Iraq and Afghanistan war budgets outside of the normal appropriations processes.
Efforts by Senator Russ Feingold and Cong. John Conyers to move a modest censure resolution of Bush and Cheney for their many constitutional and statutory violations were aggressively rejected by their leaders-Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Harry Reid. In January 2007, Pelosi and Reid two took impeachment off the table allowing the most chronically impeachable presidency in our history to continue undisturbed.
Some staffers in Congress privately assert that the Democrats are not acting like a majority party. It is worse than that. They are not acting-period.
From their majority status in 2007 to 2009 and a Democratic President in the White House, the Congressional Democrats are not moving swiftly to repeal the ban on Uncle Sam negotiating drug prices from volume discounts under the drug benefit law. They are not moving to amend the Patriot Act, regain control of warrantless surveillance, strengthen the corporate criminal laws and enforcement budgets. Congress is not even pushing to require taxing Hedge Fund manager's income as ordinary income not as capital gains.
I cite these policies because they are policies much favored by many Democratic lawmakers. But in practice lawmakers duck and duck and duck from translating their beliefs into contentious action vis-à-vis the lobbyists and their captive legislators.
Senator Chris Dodd and the vast majority of the American people want to do something about credit card company abuses and gouges. But he is surrounded not just by the Republicans on the Senate Banking Committees but high-ranking Democrats beholden to the financial goliaths who, are demanding and receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts.
There is word from the politicians that consideration of health care insurance-apart from a quickly enacted expansion of some coverage for more poor children-will be put off for a year. The trade unions' top priority to enact labor law reforms, supported by Obama during his presidential campaign, are being held back by the Democrats.
There is even doubt whether the District of Columbia will get a voting Representative in the House when push comes to shove in the Senate.
The one-subject-at-a-time attitude is coming from the White House. "Obama doesn't want it now" is a common phrase used by legislators to excuse themselves from exercising the separate but equal Congressional powers. This pretext applies to taking away some of the hugely expensive and unnecessary weapons systems like the F-22 aircraft decried by many military and retired military analysts. The vast, bloated military budget is sacrosanct on Capitol Hill as it is in the White House.
At a time of widely perceived needs for Congressional action, with large corporations busy applying for corporate welfare and on the defensive, the Democrats are not generating any momentum for standing for and with the people. Even in the midst of food contamination, illnesses and fatalities, they cannot turn around forty years of delay on giving the Food and Drug Administration adequate authority and inspectors to protect our food supply.
It is going to take a very focused civic jolt from you all to your Senators and Representatives. A couple of million jolters from our large country can get the train moving on the tracks. It doesn't take much time to holler, yell or bellow with the facts.
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Show AllThe party's over Ralph. Trying to fix a system that has failed so obviously, is surely putting lipstick on a pig.
Our environment, of which we are a product, has been telling us for a lifetime, that the economic system that encourages competition and consumption is malignant. Yet in our fools paradise, we can only see to do more of the same, only with better oversight and regulation. Our idiocy is truly astonishing.
It may be hard to see it. But this economic collapse is a gift from the heavens. A way to actually do the right thing for all life on Earth.
Think about it!
Can you hold two or more conflicting thoughts at the same time. If not, hurry up and learn, if you want to be a leader, or just a good citizen.
Happy "V" day. XX OO.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. See below...
...or just a nice citizen for that matter.
Summum bonum!
Mr Nader - Although I think you're exactly what America needs in a President I voted for Obama...personal realpolitik really. But now that Obama has won, I'm begging you to not fade away until the next election. I'm asking you to publically and loudly declare your support for Obama and become a fervent ally. Even though, yes, the Dems are far from ideal, with people like you, Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, Kucinich, etc. as part of the mix, I think there's a real chance to inject more passion into the party and move it to where we progressives would like to see it moved. And it's going to take all hands on deck to battle the right wing in their effort to defeat Obama, progressive ideals, and America itself.
Kane,
I don't think you can be a mover and shaker inside the Dem party unless you take big money from big banks.
Ralph will not do that.
You said: "I'm asking you to [publicly] and loudly declare your support for Obama..."
Why? Surely you know by now that Obama is sending signals that he intends to renege on many of his promises. This is common behavior for corporate-sponsored candidates.
Ralph is a champion of the little guy, not of corporate puppets sent by the wall street boardroom. Like many Americans, I don't think you understand Ralph Nader.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
I consider Mr. Jeeves to be a sincere and honorable person and I think your response to his request for Nader to suddenly oppose all he has worked for and support a politico that has demonstrated no empathy for that body of work to be an accurate and non confrontational response.
"Some staffers in Congress privately assert that the Democrats are not acting like a majority party. It is worse than that. They are not acting-period."
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Thanks Paul, I like Jeeves as well.
Paul?
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Sorry Rick!
I was carrying on about three conversations at once there!
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
No problem , Fred....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
It doesn't take them any time to observe polls, reach out to the public and petition us either. This is not a one way street and there is not only one street. If they refuse to act in a way that merits their sworn oath and obvious responsibility why should we treat them like little truant children that need a good yelling at?
Civil dialogue is the way out of this mess before catastrophe hits us all, and if they don't want it, we really cannot force it on them at this time.
Summum bonum!
If you really believe your statement, why do you even bother to post? Or, visit this site to begin with?
I have yet to see a post from you on any thread that added to the discussion in any thoughtful, intelligent way.
If your post was intended to illicit a response such as mine, it worked; but if it was intended to provoke thought or add to the conversation, like every other post I have seen from you, it failed.
They hate us because of our freedom! Right, and I have this bridge....
This seems a rather random post. Were you replying to Red Rick, me, Nader? And what specifically are you talking about?
Summum bonum!
Speaking of civil dialogue,Leea, I would urge you to ignore the ranting and continue in your own fashion. You and I may not agree in everything but I do not share that childishly impolitic appraisal of your posts.
One must try hard to remain civil in many instances, a real shame, but there are those who shun such efforts and thus make their beliefs secondary to their passion. I do not, however, believe that even the most studied and gracious of efforts to speak to our ruling elite, repug or demobrat, will bring any attention much less change.
The more I see our current incarnation of governance unfold the more convinced I am that this is going to result in domestic upheaval and violence.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
This is a most excellent thought Red Rick, however I have a hard time ignoring these posts, under every insult is a hurting heart and a heart that desires to be heard. We learn to communicate not as is our nature but as is our nurture to a large degree, and since I don't know exactly who is posting I choose to guess it is a young person, young in maturing if not young in reality and that person is asking to be heard. I simply feel inadequate to answer in a way that shows I hear, and this may actually be my problem rather than theirs. I have been the insulter, as well as the insultee. When I was ignored, it did not necessarily help me.
Not that I contend I may be wrong, I may be. I will take your post to heart as is my desire and see what may come of that.
I appreciate more than anything your heart felt intentions which come across clearly and directly in a way that any could learn from.
Thank you,
Leea
Summum bonum!
The other thing I wanted to tell you Rick, and lets keep this a secret between us, actually that snowflake saying was worn out on me I realized, it fit the time I created it in but then no longer fit. I knew this once I let it go though part of me wanted to resist others telling me what to do, so I have to thank my friends who hated it so, or just didn't think it was right for the forum because it wasn't right for me anymore and I wasn't paying attention to that fact, so it was not right for the forum either. How easily we fall asleep to ourselves, and how easy it is to get a wake up call here.
I love it.
Summum bonum!
Mr. Nader, I believe what you say fervently. But when I write my representatives and senators (the KS delegation) I remain voiceless. My local newspaper carefully constructs a worldview where the last eight disastrous years did not happen.
The question is how do we take our issues to critical mass?
Of course, many of us come here and are initially so happy to find someone who actually shares our thoughts but the corporately controlled media who has purchased the congress keeps the message very controlled.
I think that it is nearly impossible to effect change from within.
I think that our ultimate key is to keep the pressure on Obama from without. I will keep writing to my worthless congressional delegation just so they know that some do not swallow their pablum wholesale.
I agree that Mr. Nader is a formidable voice from the outside. Like someone else said, don't become invisible now.
All we can do is keep trying.
"The question is how do we take our issues to critical mass? I think that it is nearly impossible to effect change from within."
The essays here at CD from Ralph Nader, Glenn Greenwald and Chris Hedges--and those who comment on those essays--all seem to revolve around this general idea in the above quote.
It's the stuff social democratic movements are made of.
Our leaders are well and truly lost. They have no idea how to restore America's once sound economic, industrial, and agricultural base. Obama's interest in and vocal emphasis on new "green" technologies is an indication that he has a clue. But what is required is a great deal more than anything that has been suggested thus far. The biggest obstacle is a banking and commercial sector leadership/power bloc so far removed from any useful experience, understanding, and working knowledge of the elements of sound agricultural, industrial, and economic policy as to be oblivious of the essential nature of the crisis.
"And now is industry supplementing agriculture, with consequently increased urbanization and multiplication of nonagricultural groups of citizenship classes. But an industrial era cannot hope to survive if its leaders fail to recognize that even the highest social developments must ever rest upon a sound agricultural basis. ... the fine arts and true scientific progress, together with spiritual culture, have all thrived best in the larger centers of life when supported by an agricultural and industrial population slightly under the land-man ratio. Cities always multiply the power of their inhabitants for either good or evil. ... When standards of living become too complicated or too highly luxurious, they speedily become suicidal."
"Senator Chris Dodd and the vast majority of the American people want to do something about credit card company abuses and gouges. But he is surrounded not just by the Republicans on the Senate Banking Committees but high-ranking Democrats beholden to the financial goliaths who, are demanding and receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer bailouts."
The legal loan-sharking which has been taking place for decades will come to end only when the people OPT OUT to be abused; get their cards canceled and then tell companies like COMCAST, AT&T, VERIZON, MICROSOFT, and the like, that they can no longer pay for their broadband products with credit cards.
When the big telecoms and other companies start losing money because people can't use their credit cards to pay them, those beholden on Capitol Hill will have to reconsider their position on credit card abuses and gouges.
If history repeats itself, our fractional-reserve banking system will eventually implode. Societies built on debt-creation and debt-slavery cannot survive forever. And as job losses escalate in this country and around the globe, many of us will be filing bankruptcy because we can't keep up with the abusive interest rates.
If common sense doesn't soon prevail over self-interest, the country will collapse!
in support of observations - the Pachamama Alliance has posted an on-line animated and narrrated video series that is excellent explanation of 'externalized costs'. This is the blind spot of the vox populi thanks to media massage.
Awaken the Dreamer!! set it in an internet petri dish and watch the culture grow! Send it around the world!!
http://www.pachamama.org/
" It doesn't take much time to holler,yell or bellow with the facts". Ralph, from my perspective, that has been tried and will not work. One example: Millions protested the Iraq war to no avail. I think the only way to reach the district of criminals that have just about destroyed America, is some kind of tax revolt, similar to Mahatma Gandhi's salt revolt, which in the end ran the British out of India, or the Boston tea party in America.
Exactly Paul,
I believe you are right. I advocate, as a first measure, a national boycott of all products possible, coupled with a freeze on credit card payments for several months.
Next, if the taxpayers are ignored, a national strike, where nobody reports for work. SOS (suspension of service; the blue flu.)
A list of citizen demands would be created by Ralph. Then this legal, non-violent citizen action would be lifted when this Bank Mafia and Wall Street Blackmailers back off and let the government run the way it was designed to by the framers.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
I like your suggestions Thomas, but we need to wake the sheeple in order for these Ideas to work.
Yes Paul,
That is, and always has been, the most difficult challenge of the progressive movement. How to reach the corporate employed majority of citizens? The very nature of large corporation life is that you don’t dare get involved in anything that could
A: Get you Fired
And B: Damage your credit rating.
One good development I see is that our great patriot Micheal Moore is now doing the research for a movie that could expose the misdeeds that lead to the Great Bush Bank Heist of 2008. Linking his movies or youtube excerpts might be helpful. Highlighting the NeoCon disdain for their own country’s welfare is helpful, now that King George is out of power and with time, details of his many abuses of power will no doubt come out.
Another random thing that occurs to me is to consider emulating the Obama-Technology-model and social network through facebook and myspace. The current generation of rural Faux News/NASCAR “Road Scholars” are probably unreachable, but the new wired generation is.
These things currently are outside my skill levels, I’m afraid…. But they are worthy of messing with since, thankfully, Newscorp TV stations and newspapers are on the way out, and social networking is here to stay.
Kane Jeeves does have a valid point that the differing progressive factions need to all come together; I simply doubt that the small number of “Naderites” like me can have an impact. Our job is to remain outside: to be an untainted-by-corp-money watchdog. To be a critic of any policy that threatens the common citizen’s welfare.
This makes people angry that we will not take a hard stand on many of the myriad of wrongs in the world. But let’s face it: this is one screwed up world and an outsider like Ralph cannot wave a magic wand if the majority of citizens remain uninterested in how their Democratically-elected Republic works. (or is mis-working... or is broken.)
As the depression worsens, and I suspect there is no escape from that happening since in bush’s final days he signed more spending obligations than the last 200 years combined (7 Trillion; doubling the potential US debt,) maybe they will become more interested. Even if there is a recovery, I suspect that with all those fake greenbacks floating around that hyperinflation will be joined with us at the hip…… and we will risk social upheaval at that point when staples such as food and medicine become unobtainable for most.
Your points on civil discourse are very applicable; I will try mightily to practice them.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
A once-in-a-while protest against the war in Iraq is hardly the kind of "civic jolt" Ralph is referring to.
Ralph succinctly notes, "Some staffers in Congress privately assert that the Democrats are not acting like a majority party. It is worse than that. They are not acting-period."
I understand your point Ralph, but actually they are acting; they are acting against their own promises, they are acting on behalf of corporations, and AIPAC; they are acting on behalf of all corporate interests who happen to own Obama and the Democratic Party with a couple notable exceptions, and they are acting on behalf of the coal and nuclear industries, the military industrial complex, they are acting on behalf of covert war, increased troop deployments in the Afgan republic, and on the domestic energy front after promising to double sustainable energy, but neglecting to tell their disciples that sustainable energy sources only represent 3.8% of the energy grid. Thus they are insuring sustainable collapse, and more dirty energy than the world has ever seen before, along with the certain demise of the planet rapidly approaching the tipping point of no return. Obviously, the most egregious Obama obfuctation of all in my view.
Obama specifically has ignored his own promise of developing coalitions by freezing out the authentic left such as yourself, Kucinich, and numerous other visionary voices. And instead resurrecting the corporate Democrats of the Clinton years like Summers the chief developer of de-regulation. If this is the first 100 days, apparently a political template of what is to come in the next four years methinks.
Obama is a slogan maker, nothing more. He promises "change we can believe in" but delivers nothing more than the same failed status quo bullshit we had before.
What is wrong with this picture? Obama is reaching out to the Republicans that did not and do not like or support him; but he does not reach out to the many progressives that helped to put him in office and he does not reach out to people like Nader and many others on the left who could like and support him!
You see, the Democratic and the Republican Parties are both Corporate Parties that protect each other. Status quo is just fine for them.
Your vote for Al Gore cost Nader the election!
smd
Nader cost Nader the election. He did not campaign in the years prior.
He was too busy attacking Obama to campaign.
I remember your HERO calling Obama UNCLE TOM ON A FOX NEWS RADIO STATION last fall.
Why? I'll tell you. Nader invited McCain to join his campaign in 2004, his Republican lover.
In 2008 his loyalties were the same. Nader is a Republican Tool. And a F*#%$@# Racist.
Signed, someone who voted for "UNCLE TOM."
Nader:
Fox News
"Uncle Tom"
2004 invites mccain to join campaign.
Invested in Fidelity Magellan who is invested in Raytheon, the world's #1 manufacturer of cluster bombs! He made a name for himself railing against corporations? Same guy?
Est vous ciegos?
Dont you get tired of this sort of silliness, Joe? Doesnt your conscience twinge you when you cite Faux Snooze as a source....Do you not understand that those charges about stock ownership refer to FUNDS that bought shares in those companies and not ownership of the stock of those companies directly? Do you not know, despite being told before, that those funds have divested, in large part, of those stocks?
I would note again the ringing words of Mr. Nader that probably set you off, loyalist democrat that you are:
"Some staffers in Congress privately assert that the Democrats are not acting like a majority party. It is worse than that. They are not acting-period."
By the by, Joe, Ardee says hi!
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Keep it real Red Rick. Nader's racist UNCLE TOM comment on a Fox radio affiliate is kinda checkable....shucks, infamous, notorious. But you question my "source?" like it did not get said?
As for his investments, Yawn, they are horrible.
If you are good with Fidelity Magellan et al,
Google nader cisco systems china amy goodman.
RR-You don't refute that he invited mccain into his campaign in '04 either!
"Most people would rather trot out tired old quotes-the same one day after day after day, than have an original thought."
Hey Red Rick-azjoe says hi.
I was wrong.
Google 'cisco systems nader china NAOMI KLEIN', not
'cisco systems nader china Amy Goodman'
It was Naomi that exposed ralph's cisco/china investment, not amy, my mistake..
Corporate profits drive the free-market system right? To which I know I personally am sure beholden. $$$$$$$!!!!!! Go RN. It's his right. No laws broken.
Signed, Someone who don't know Uncle Tom. Cause guess what? He's dead.
Does this mean that you are going to throw away your computer and/or its parts that were made in China? Or perhaps, you are going to refrain from ever using the Internet again as it is Cisco routers and switches made in China that are making thje Internet and email possible for you?
No binban it don't. It means I view RN as someone heavily invested in Cisco Systems.
They help spy on China's people.
Nader became famous vilifying Cisco-type corporations.
I just note the change.
Have a great day. azjoe.
Despite your silly attempt at childishness I would offer more dispassionate communications.
As one who is so opposed to Nader's sup[posed overtures to McCain I guess you will now resign your membership in the Democratic Party:
http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/012788.html
| McCain Rejects Kerry's VP Overture
Republican Sen. John McCain has personally rejected John Kerry’s overtures to join the Democratic presidential ticket and forge a bipartisan alliance against President Bush, The Associated Press has learned.
Kerry has asked McCain as recently as late last month to consider becoming his running mate, but the Arizona senator said he’s not interested, said a Democratic official who spoke on condition of anonymity because Kerry has insisted that his deliberations be kept private. A second official familiar with the conversations confirmed the account, and said the Arizona senator made it clear he won’t change his mind.
Both officials said Kerry stopped short of offering McCain the job, sparing himself an outright rejection that would make his eventual running mate look like a second choice.
...................
I am really disappointed in your lack of self control, Joe, please try harder. I doubt that my sig line causes you such apparent discomfort, rather it is my opposition to your vindictiveness and Nader bashing that is the culprit. Noone of any intellectual worth would possibly base their opinion of Ralph Nader on the content of those funds in which he is invested, or rather was once invested. Especially when the man has a long and illustrious history of public service...What in the hell is wrong with you, my supposed friend?
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Can anyone who actually watches FOX "news" be taken seriously?
Hey 'binban'
It was radio not TV 'binban.' I don't own either by the way. Or listen to or watch either 'binban'.
It was that sold-out creep Ralph Nader on FOX. So anyone who spews on FOX, can they be taken seriously you asked???? No. I offer RN as exhibit A.
God you are so easy. I feel like I'm playing chess with a child. Yeah, your hero was on FOX slamming Obama and the Democrats in the run-up to the election.
Ralph Nader was helping the Republicans by his one sided attacking.
Ralph Nader did it on FOX radio, an affiliate.
Ralph Nader on FOX Radio made the Uncle Tom comment.
You are on the side of right binban, supporting Ralph Nader's racism
and Venue-FOXNEWS. Uncle Tom. Your Hero impresses the heck out of me. Keep defending him and his appearance on FOX, his favorite by the way, he needs defending. Like you.
JOSEPH.
azjoe
I suggest that you read Black Agenda Report: The journal of African American political thought and action http://www.blackagendareport.com/
"On Fox (News), I said that as the first African American president we wish him (Barack Obama) well. The question is, will he be Uncle Sam for the people or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations which are driving America into the ground."
Ralph Nader in Hail to the Chief of Staff by Alexander Cockburn - November 7, 2008 http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11072008.html
Also see An Open Letter to Barack Obama by Ralph Nader - November 3, 2008 http://www.counterpunch.org/nader11032008.html
P.S. Ralph, please stop using the term "the Patriot Act." It's the USAPATRIOT Act - "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism" (And I know you are aware of this).
Magarulian. Hello, thanks for the contexting. To me it ameliorates somewhat how wrong it was. Somewhat.
I can't fathom though inviting mccain to join his campaign in '04, Or a few other things.
But I learned in the last many months it's about organizing and activism months and years ahead of time if real movement to the left is to be known. RN has not done that. Peace Out. Ciao.
Moving forward, just me, I've contacted my local radio station, KVMR, to ask for help getting progressive democrats in my county organized to caucus in the California Democratic Party.
I'm new to this, but it don't sound like rocket science, but force of will.
I've started. What I'm not doing is waiting 4 years, months or weeks for things to 'get better,' as though change happened in a vacuum.
Thanks, M., for your cool tone.
DaveBronstein. Hello. Salon.com 2/14/09 Today Their lead article is about Nader asking McCain to join his campaign in 2004.
Dave, this is ancient news. google 'nader campaign 2004 mccain' I believe the 4th hit down is salon.com, and there are ten thousand more.
If you check this and I'm right do you tell me you are sorry for calling me confused or do I not hear from you again?
Either way, have a nice night. azjoe.
See the post at the top of the column namecaller.
Hey NameCaller-I get it now. When I said accurately nader invited mccain to join his campaign you 'thought' I meant as his running mate!
I did not SAY that or mean it. Scores & Scores of people join POTUS campaigns in different capacities.
You are pegged though NameCaller-I'll take the time to read your posts-keep your facts stone cold straight. UNLIKE TODAY!
See You NameCaller/"David Bronstein." JOSEPH.
It is a sad morning for me azjoe, for I find you to be not what I hoped you were, an honest poster dedicated to the search for truth and a better path for our nation. I now find, through the diligence of another, that you stand exposed as an intentional distorter of fact. You damn well did attempt to deceive and you , and now everyone else here as well, knows it full well.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Get off my ankles Red Rick, I stand by the salon.com article. And what I said.
Nader invited Mccain to join/assist his campaign in'04. That is fact. Not as a running mate which I never said, but to help.
You like to follow people around the threads and hassle them.
If you don't like my posts, ignore them.
But you won't be able to. Because you are not here to learn, but to seek out the drama, contention and soap-opera bs you obviously enjoy.
So go away. Get a life. Quit following me-AND OTHERS-around the threads hassling and insulting us.
Bye ankle-biter! Go outside and play (or something).
Thank you for,yet again, proving my assessment of you to be accurate..Sad little fellow you are. I will, I assure you, ignore your ravings forthwith.
I hope that, after your high school graduation, you will gain enough wisdom and life experience to understand fully what a spectacle you are now making of yourself.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
It is not a fact. It is a deliberate misstatement and disinformation. You make a claim, now back it up with references and quotes not hearsay. I know Ralph. He did not ask McCain to join his campaign.
Hey 'BINBAN'
You are a DEAD WRONG unless you differentiate between join and help which I sure don't.
Go to the top of the thread for some FACTS. azjoe
But start here 'binban' help=join