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Will Obama Buy Torture-Lite?
You've got to hand it to them. Torture aficionados at the White House and CIA have conned key congressional leaders into insisting not only that torture-lite would be a swell idea, but advocating also that the overseers of torture be kept on.
From change-you-can-believe-in we seem to be slipping back to fear-you-can-trade-on. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, has publicly warned those in charge of the administration transition that "continuity is going to be pivotal in keeping us safe and secure." Thus, he argues, National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell and CIA Director Michael Hayden should stay in their posts.
If that were not enough, Reyes told Congress Daily's Chris Strohm, that he (Reyes) had advised the Obama team that some parts of what Strohm referred to as "CIA's controversial alternative interrogation program" should be allowed to continue. Using some of the same euphemisms and circumlocutions employed by the ersatz-lawyers hired by President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, Reyes fired this shot across the bow of Barack Obama's transition ship:
"It gets back to a world that is very dangerous...there are some options that need to be available...We don't want to be known for torturing people. At the same time, we don't want to limit our ability to get information that's vital and critical to our national security. That's where the new administration is going to have to decide what those parameters are, what those limitations are."
Background
Someone needs to tell Reyes what those parameters, what those limitations should be. They are set by the Geneva accords and the U.S. War Crimes Act of 1996. Those are the laws that President George W. Bush's overly clever lawyers told him he could safely-well, pretty safely-disregard, because of the "new paradigm" post 9/11.
Pretty safely? Even those Mafia-type lawyers felt it necessary to warn their clients that Section 2441 of the U.S. War Crimes Act, passed by a Republican-led Congress in 1996, could conceivably come back to haunt the president and others who approved or took part in torture. This is the best they could do by way of offering reassurance:
"It is difficult to predict the motives of prosecutors and independent counsels who may in the future decide to pursue unwarranted charges based on Section 2441. Your determination [that Geneva does not apply to al-Qaeda and Taliban] would create a reasonable basis in law that Section 2441 does not apply, which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution."
If that sounds like the kind of advice one would expect to get from lawyers for the Mob, that's because it is. The casuistry virtually drips from a Jan. 25, 2002 memorandum for the president drafted by then-counsel to the Vice President, David Addington and signed by then-counsel to the president, Alberto Gonzales. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell objected for a day or so but then saluted sharply, as is his wont.
As will be seen below, the lawyers' advice did come back to haunt the president, putting him in a cold sweat until he got Congress to grant him retroactive immunity.
To say President Bush was dumb to take their dubious advice is not the half of it. Really dumb was his decision to put it in writing. You see, the goons uncovered by CIA Director George Tenet and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld were not about to torture without a signed authorization from the president. So Bush decided to go ahead on the basis of the Addington/Gonzales opinion and signed a presidential memorandum on Feb. 7, 2002 incorporating that advice.
The opinion is written verbatim, twice, into that short executive memorandum. Over the president's large felt-tip signature appears convoluted text depicting, despite itself, a circle that refuses to be squared. Bush orders that detainees be treated "humanely and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of Geneva."
That was the official start of post-9/11 torture authorized from the top, although an American, John Walker Lindh, was the first to be actually tortured after his capture in Afghanistan in late Nov. 2001, when senior Justice Department officials deliberately chose not to prevent his mistreatment. In the wake of the smoking-gun presidential memorandum of Feb. 7, 2002, subsequent memos by the administration's Mob lawyers were mostly ex post facto attempts at CYA.
Shame
What incalculable shame this has brought on the U.S. Army and the Central Intelligence Agency, in both of which I was privileged to serve. I am hardly the first to use a Mafia analogy.
Consider the case of Army Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, who was the first to investigate the Abu Ghraib prison abuse-the most glaring result of the president's memo and Rumsfeld's implementing instructions. "Make sure this happens!" in Rumsfeld's handwriting appeared on a memo over Rumsfeld's signature that was prominently posted at Abu Ghraib.
Taguba issued a tough report, which was then leaked to the press-and thus was largely responsible for preventing the scandal from being swept entirely under the rug. Rather than thank Taguba for upholding the honor of the U.S. military, the Bush administration singled him out for ridicule, retribution, and forced retirement.
Taguba told Seymour Hersh of a chilling conversation he had with Gen. John Abizaid, then head of Central Command, a few weeks after Taguba's report became public in 2004. Sitting in the back of Abizaid's Mercedes sedan in Kuwait, Abizaid quietly told Taguba, "You and your report will be investigated."
"I'd been in the Army 32 years by then," Taguba told Hersh, "and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia."
Getting Squared Away
The Army, to its credit, was able to push brownnoses like Abizaid off to the margins and, more important, to keep Mafia-type lawyers out of the process of updating the Army Field Manual for interrogation. Such was not the case at CIA, where Mob lawyers continued to prosper-including the one who offered interrogators the following basic guidance: "If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong."
I like to think that our nation's decisions are not totally bereft of moral considerations, and that a majority of Americans would agree that torture-like rape or slavery-is intrinsically evil.
But it is also intrinsically dumb. And an Army general with guts said precisely that on the very day President Bush was extolling the merits of "alternative sets of procedures" for interrogation.
Lt. Gen. John Kimmons, a career intelligence officer and expert in interrogations, minced no words in describing the new Army Field Manual (FM 2-22.3, Human Intelligence Collection Operations). He stressed that it is "consistent with the requirements of law, the Detainee Treatment Act, and the Geneva Conventions, and that it was endorsed by the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Director of National Intelligence. The DNI, Kimmons said "coordinated laterally with the CIA."
Doesn't take a crackerjack intelligence analyst to figure out why the CIA would not "endorse" it.
As a former Army intelligence officer who had to commit the previous interrogation field manual virtually to memory, I was particularly proud that Kimmons had the guts to seize the bull by the horns:
Conceding past "transgressions and mistakes," Kimmons insisted: "No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us that. I think the empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years, tells us that.
"Moreover, any piece of intelligence which is obtained under duress through the use of abusive techniques would be of questionable credibility. And additionally, it would do more harm than good when it inevitably became known that abusive practices were used. And we can't go there.
"Some of our most significant successes on the battlefield have been-in fact, I would say all of them, almost categorically all of them have accrued from expert interrogators using mixtures of authorized, humane interrogation practices in clever ways that you would hope Americans would use them, to push the envelope within the bookends of the legal, moral, and ethical-now as further defined by this field manual. So we don't need abusive practices in there. Nothing good will come from them."
Kimmons emphasized that the new manual is written in "straightforward language for use by soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines; it is not written for lawyers." He explained that the field manual explicitly prohibits torture or cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment or punishment.
No-Torture Commandments
Among the specific prohibitions mentioned by Kimmons were:
"-Interrogators may not force a detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts or pose in a sexual manner;
-They cannot use hoods or place sacks over a detainee's head or use duct tape over his eyes;
-They cannot beat or electrically shock or burn them or inflict other forms of physical pain-any form of physical pain;
-They may not use water boarding, hypothermia, or treatment which will lead to heat injury;
-They will not perform mock executions;
-They may not deprive detainees of the necessary food, water, and medical care; and
-They may not use dogs in any aspect of interrogation."
Meanwhile, just across the Potomac at the White House an hour later that same day (Sept. 6, 2006), President Bush devoted half of a long speech to cops-and-robbers examples, none of them confirmed or persuasive, showing how "tough" interrogation techniques-he called them "an alternative set of procedures"-had yielded information preventing all manner of catastrophe.
He made clear that his government had "changed its policies," giving intelligence personnel "the tools they need" to fight terrorists, and that he wanted the "CIA program" to continue. Bush appealed for and, just before Congress changed hands in Nov. 2006, succeeded in getting legislation granting retroactive immunity to him and other practitioners of "alternative" procedures.
It had been sweaty-palms time for the president. Two months earlier, on June 29, 2006, in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court had ruled that Geneva DOES apply to al-Qaeda and Taliban detainees, and rejected the artifice of "unitary executive power" used by the Bush administration to "justify" practices like torture.
One senior Bush official is reported to have gone quite pale when Justice Anthony M. Kennedy raised the ante, warning that "violations of Common Article 3 [of Geneva] are considered 'war crimes.'" That threw a scare into a whole bunch of what one might call "unitary executives," prompting the president on Sept. 6 to plead with Congress to give "top priority" to new legislation holding them harmless for violation of Geneva. This they got in the "Military Commissions Act" passed by Congress and signed into law just before the mid-term elections in 2006.
Back to the Future, Mr. Chairman
Chairman Reyes, you may have been told that when fellow Texan Rep. Charlie Wilson took the reins of a House oversight panel, he immediately wrote to the operations people at CIA, saying, "Well, gentlemen, the fox is in the hen house. Do whatever you like." Your predecessor as House Intelligence Committee chair, Pete Hoekstra, R-Michigan, also gave the CIA free rein as long as then-Director George Tenet did the White House's bidding-whatever that bidding happened to be.
Is that how you see your role, Mr. Congressman? Is that why you have been running interference for the Bush/Cheney administration? Specifically, why did you stiff-arm those of your colleagues who wanted to put language into the FY09 Intelligence Authorization Bill ordering CIA interrogators to adhere to the Army Field Manual for interrogation?
Have a look at the above list of practices expressly forbidden by the manual. Have the folks in the hen house told you that some are absolutely necessary? Which ones strike your fancy?
You served in Vietnam. Did you see "alternative techniques" in use there? Could you visualize them being used on you-or your grandsons?
Do you think former Air Force General and now CIA Director Michael Hayden or former Navy Admiral Mike McConnell know more about effective interrogation techniques than the head of Army intelligence? Do you really think they are being candid with you?
Getting Snowed
Are you not aware that many of those on the operations side of CIA ply their trade as con men? Such activities are supposed to be directed abroad. But all too often they are applied with consummate, smirking skill to the Hill.
Don't believe the tales they tell you about the "successes" of torture techniques. They are normally told by folks with zero experience or folks simply snowing you. Take former Deputy Director John McLaughlin, for example. I have known John for 40 years; he would not recognize an interrogation if he tripped over one.
And he and his boss Tenet were so duplicitous that the former head of State Department intelligence permitted himself the undiplomatic comment that the two should have been shot for their role in deliberately falsifying intelligence-especially the bogus reporting about those non-existent "mobile biological weapons laboratories" in Iraq.
Not long ago, McLaughlin made the mistake of purveying the myth about how effective harsh interrogation techniques have been, with the usual "If you saw the intelligence I have seen..." Trouble was, the senior intelligence officer he was talking to had seen it all, and more, and answered, "I have seen all of it John. Either you are hopelessly naïve, incredibly credulous, or you are lying."
How McLaughlin and John Brennan, both eager accomplices of George Tenet, got picked for the intelligence transition team boggles the minds of those of us who are familiar with their role in the saddest and most unconscionable chapters of U.S. intelligence-regarding both analysis and operations.
But there they are, whispering into the credulous ears of people like Silvestre Reyes.
Chairman Reyes, go talk to Gen. Kimmons.
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31 Comments so far
Show AllIn an ideal world Obama would appoint Ray to the position of DCI. This is not a partisan issue. Torture is unjustifiable by any conventional standard of morality. The legal codification of such heinous standards and employment of torture techniques by Bush, Rumsfeld, Gates, Tenet, Yoo, et al. , in blatant defiance of established law and moral convention, is a most serious and radical threat to the character and nature of the American military and system of jurisprudence. If Obama proceeds with similar policies and the same individuals, then he will be a co-conspirator in the commitment of these war crimes.
Exactly,
This torture still allowed by the CIA or whoever only inspires more violence... But since War is a racket, that is a plan.
If Obama goes for "torture lite", I wonder if he would also go for "slavery lite"?
You know, just own black people on the weekends or something....or maybe some kind of lease arrangement instead of outright ownership?
same difference.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
test
FAIL !
"We don't want to be known for torturing people. At the same time, we don't want to limit our ability to get information that's vital and critical to our national security."
Thank you, Ray McGovern, for passing along this pitiful, revealing example of the intellectual underpinning of Congressman Reyes' approach to Congressional oversight over the CIA's interrogation policies. Thanks, too, for restating the historical chronology showing how lawyers in high places on the Bush White House team actively facilitated the creation of the shameful GWOT torture regime.
In my moral framework, the actual torturing of people is worse than just being known for practicing torture - sort of like sodomizing babies is really more despicable than simply garnering a reputation as a child molester. Furthermore, clear cut, existing national and international law already limits your ability to get information that indeed might be of vital, critical national security concern. It's time to stop pretending that you, your Committee, or the incoming Obama administration, possess some sort of inherent power to decide parameters, define limitations, or carry on making up new rules as you go along.
Along with consulting Generals Taguba and Kinnon, Congressman Reyes should also have a chat with true interrogation professionals over at the FBI. Almost without exception, they were appalled by what the witnessed taking place, and reported back to their superiors about, at the Guantanamo Bay demonstration project. Garbage in, garbage out. Torture in, disinformation out.
Can't the elected civilian leadership of this country grasp the self-defeating irony of using CIA methodology - ostensibly to ferret out credible intelligence information - that was consciously patterned after techniques used during the Korean War to induce FALSE confessions from American POW's?
If the House Intelligence Committee Chairman approaches his duties believing that continuity with Bush/Cheney era torture policy is "pivotal in keeping us safe and secure", then Mr. Reyes is definitely the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time. If he thinks there isn't a lot more blowback on the horizon courtesy of Abu Ghraib and Gitmo - that torture makes you safe rather than hated - then he is a dupe or a downright fool.
If John Dingell can get dumped, then why not Silvestre Reyes?
Bill from Saginaw
" We dont want to be known for torture.."
translation " We want to torture people in secret"
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Even if Obama doesn't go for "torture-lite", it won't be because of some moral stance on torture. It will be a strategic move, to restore confidence in the US.
If he doesn't mind sending our troops into Afghanistan to wreak havoc on their population, he doesn't mind torture either. The two are equivalent, and go hand in hand.
What we have here is a committed militarist, who would further our empire with violence, and continue the class war domestically, but who is a better chess player than Bush and his gang.
I think western citizens are being softened up to accept 'Torture-Lite,' which will probably allow the use of drugs instead of 'harsher' methods. Take a look at this equivocal and execrable article from the BBC...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7773261.stm
One would think a news organisation of the stature of the BBC would stand firmly in the no-to-torture camp.
The fact that this refered article suggests:
"while their use in the questioning of prisoners of war is forbidden by the Geneva Convention, that does not rule out its lawful use on terror suspects" is to my mind incredable.
The use of drugs on someone against their will is a crime, whether you can show a judge you suspect him or her of terrorism or not. It is a violation of the most basic human rights.
And I'm sure you are right about the softening up of the public, to whatever Big Brother wants.
Your first sentence reminds me of another totally illogical and cynical statement from the Russians, "Torture only hurts if you are guilty".
It is a chilling measure of how the Bush/Cheney sociopaths have changed our culture for the worst that a Democratic Congressional Chairman in 2008 doesn't seem to understand the moral depravity of even considering torture as a way of treating other humans.
It is OUR duty to tell Rep. reyes, and all others who allegedly represent us, this simple, forceful message: NO TORTURE. NO EXCEPTIONS. NOT EVER IN OUR NAME.
Thank you, sir. My best friend was shot crossing the Rhine. I went into months of depression after being the first allied officer to penetrate into Bergen-Belsen. Please do not stop. Rome died on the cross.
simurgh:My sincere condolences and thanks for going into Bergen-Belsen. Have you ever written about it? I was a child. Jewish. My dad enlisted in the Army; my mom had to sign for him, I was a baby. He was in an epidemic in boot camp, disabled and never got overseas. He died in 1950, age 44. My mother's brother lied about his age, served in Germany, injured, jumped ship on the way back to serve with the Israelis, came home, continued in the US Army until he retired. My aunt was a WAC. I am an artist and visual images of photos haunt me, of people in the camps when they were opened. I am also sorry you lost your best friend. I grew up without a father, as did my siblings. So, again, my condolences for what you saw as a young man. One would hope we'd get better as human beings, at how we act towards one another. Good luck. I wish you all the very best.
Yes it was bad .very, very bad, but so was what the Brits did to the Native what became to be known as America. The Jews have a state and their Culture is in tact
What do the Extinct Native Nations of north America, Caribbean, Australia, New Zeeland, South Pacific,, brutal atrocities committed on the Irish under British Rule, Palestinians under Israel rule, Pol pot in Cambodia, Stalin’s Purges, and that is only the tip of the worlds physical atrocities.
Every group has its own insightful reasons for taking the actions they do. Their acts ,to be later defined as heinous or noble.
That is determined by the victim and their supporters or the beneficiaries and their supporters
cuniverse:is there a Latin root to your screen name? I am surprised by your line "Every group has its own insightful reasons for taking the actions they do." Do you really mean "insightful" or something else?
The treatment of POWs and other hostages is defined in the Geneva Conventions that the United States of America signed. Any other 'torture light' or 'unlawful combatant' nonsense is a WAR CRIME. Period! The Bush/Cheney Gang is guilty of war crimes by commission and Congress is guilty by omission. There is no living with this albatross that is eating America's soul.
Hi lemmings,
The instant I saw Obama courting AIPAC I knew it was all status quo.
Ain't gonna be no "changes" folks, unless it's for worse.
Until you all come together to oust ALL duel citizenship toadies from our government, get rid of Zionist Central bank, (Federal reserve), and fractionalised banking we are a nation of 300 million slaves to the murderers of the USS Liberty sailors, Israel....period.
hey !! cut that out, they will be looking for you, and whever you are working thy will put pressure ony you boss to get rid of you.
Also they will be check on you financials and work you from that angle
YOU ARE MESSING WITH SOME POWERFULL KIND LOVING PEOPLE !!!
THEY MUST PROTECT THEMSELVES AT ANY COST BECAUSE IT IS ORDAINED BY THEIR GOD,THAT THEY ARE THE CHOSEN ONES AND ALL THE WORLD IS THEIRE TO DO AS THEY WISH
As long as nobody's gonna stand up and fight to ABOLISH the CIA, why should Obama listen to RM ? Peddle on !
Reyes should be shunted aside. Isn't this the chairman who did not know the difference between shi'ites and sunnis 2 years into the Iraq war.
absolutely, and as I posted in another comment on torture here today: The war on terror is supposed to support the military neo-colonial empire add-infinitum but to do so you have to have an enemy. Where there is none you must create one, and as one develops you must strengthen it. Torture is a foundation for a wild goose chase on one hand and on the other it makes millions afraid and wild with hate, thereby providing more wild gooses galore.
snydly
Some information about torture in N. Klein's "Shock Doctrine" opens another possibility. Hidden in a hill of torture for no reason might be a mound of torture for a specific reason.
World War Two. Imperial Japan tortured routinely. I dare say that the Axis powers were a much greater threat than Al Quaeda. They might have won WWII. So was the American attitude, "They do it so it is OK that we do it." or "We need torture too so we can win."?
No. The attitude was, if we take up torture then we will be just as bad as them. We are fighting this war against these things.
Interesting point. However, in the Nuremberg Tribunals, we indicted the Axis leaders we had captured for a number of 'crimes against humanity' - including the indescriminate killing of innocent civilians by bombing cities. Until it was pointed out by the defense for the Axis leaders that the Allies had done the same thing with far greater savagery. So the bombing of cities and the killing of innocent civilians was removed as a 'crime against humanity'. So the message was: only what terrible and destructive things they do that we don't is a crime against humanity. Not a particularly ethical position to take for what likes to portray itself as an moral and ethical beacon to the world.
Here's the testimony of Air Force Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, who was captured by the Japanese in 1942: "I was given several types of torture ... I was given what they call the water cure." Asked how it felt, Nielsen replied, "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death." Several Japanese torturers were convicted in the trials, and "the principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding,"
Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
When the leaders of Japan were found guilty of multiple and horrific war crimes, one of them was the “water treatment.” Those who actually did the “water treatment” – the officers who directed torture (B level) and those who carried it out (C level) were guilty of war crimes. Some were executed.
http://robinrowland.com/garret/2005/11/waterboarding-is-war-crime.html
What is good for the goose, is "iffy" for the gander? Ask Rummy!
do you think that President Obama will continue to allow torture on "war criminals" and US citizens? I am under the impression that he is of a different nature than Bush considering that he wants to leave Iraq and was one of the politicians that didn't want to enter Iraq in the first place. I would be surprised if he continues to allow the CIA or any government agency to continue torturing people. i guess that's up to him, but i would expect that he would use the same executive power that bush used to rid America of all constitutional rights and reinstate the constitution. it will be interesting, or a complete disgrace. US citizens are being held as slaves and being tortured. Well, at least one that I know of, but there must be others.