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What kind of person tells a self-aggrandizing lie, gets called on it, admits publicly that the truth is not at all what she originally claimed-and then goes out and starts telling the original lie again without changing a word?
Sarah Palin is beginning to seem like quite an unusual woman, and I'm not talking about her love of guns and "snow machines," her faith, her family or any of the presumably non-elite attributes that we in the "elite media" are accused of savaging. Wrongly accused, I should add; reporters are doing nothing more sinister than trying to find out who she is, how she thinks and what she has done in office.
One deeply troubling thing we're learning about Palin is that, as far as she's concerned, unambiguous fact doesn't appear to rise even to the level of inconvenience.
I'm sorry, but to explain my point I have to make another visit-my last, I hope-to the never-built, $398-million "Bridge to Nowhere" that was to join the town of Ketchikan, Alaska, with its airport on the other side of the Tongass Narrows.
You'll recall that in her Republican convention speech, Palin burnished her budget-hawk credentials by claiming she had said "thanks but no thanks" to a congressional earmark that would have paid most of the cost. A quick check of the public record showed that Palin supported the bridge when she was running for governor, continued to support it once she took office and dropped her backing only after the project -- by then widely ridiculed as an example of pork-barrel spending -- was effectively dead on Capitol Hill.
In her interview with ABC's Charles Gibson, Palin 'fessed up. It was "not inappropriate" for a mayor or a governor to work with members of Congress to obtain federal money for infrastructure projects, she argued. "What I supported," she said, "was a link between a community and its airport."
Case closed. Except that on Saturday, days after the interview, Palin said this to a crowd in Nevada: "I told Congress thanks but no thanks to that Bridge to Nowhere-that if our state wanted to build that bridge, we would build it ourselves."
That's not just a lie, but an acknowledged lie. What she actually told Congress was more like, "Gimme the money for the bridge" -- and then later, after the whole thing had become an embarrassment, she didn't object to using the money for other projects.
I'm not shocked to learn that politicians sometimes lie. To cite an example that comes immediately to mind, John McCain's campaign ads attacking Barack Obama have taken such liberties that even Karl Rove says he wonders if they've gone too far. But it's weird for a politician -- or anyone else, really -- to maintain that an assertion is true after admitting that it isn't true.
Maybe Palin cynically believes she can keep using the "no thanks" line and manage to stay one step ahead of the truth police. Maybe she calculates that audiences would rather believe her than their lying eyes. Or maybe she really believes her own fantasy-based version of events. Maybe the Legend of Sarah Palin has become, on some level, more real to her than actual history.
And quite a legend it's turning out to be. The Washington Post reported Sunday that as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Palin pressured the town librarian to remove controversial books from the shelves, cut funds for the town museum but somehow found the money for a new deputy administrator slot, and told city employees not to talk to reporters.
And The New York Times reported Sunday that as governor, Palin appointed a high-school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to a $95,000-a-year job as head of the state Division of Agriculture. Havemeister "cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency," the Times reported, noting her as one of at least five schoolmates Palin has given high-paying state government jobs.
Nothing against cows. Nothing against high-school BFFs and being true to your school. But a different picture of Sarah Palin is beginning to emerge. The McCain campaign would like us to see a straight-talking, gun-toting, moose-eviscerating, lipstick-wearing frontierswoman. Instead, we're beginning to discern an ambitious, opportunistic politician who makes no bones about rewarding friends and punishing those who stand in her way-and who believes that truth is nothing more, and nothing less, than what she says it is.
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Show AllGod has chosen those not cursed with veracity to impose His will on those not cursed with intelligence.
snydly
Don't think of it as a campaign...think of it as an audition.
Which church does she run to??? Hitler's propaganda minster Goebbels is to have said: repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it. Are these people stupid? Haven't they learned anything?
Any Republican who tells the truth cannot ever possibly be elected. There may be one or two "do-gooder" Dimocraps who get elected by telling voters the truth or something close to it, but generally speaking, politicians are by nature a sorry and sad lot of lying scoundrels. Don't tell me that you are surprised to hear that inconvenient truth.
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Obama fans still stupefied or in denial about Obama's nose-dive in the polls may want to consider what boys and the men they occasionally turn into really like, and for a better understanding of almost every aspect of the United States in the 21st Century, there is no more significant date than Monday, September 15, 2004, when Desperate Housewives beat Monday Night Football for the first time in the male 18-49 demographic.
Those sexy MILF's beat male athletes again and again (in our crucial demographic), and the future of American politics is already written in a couple of photographs.
Jacob Freeze
"...reporters are doing nothing more sinister than trying to find out who she is, how she thinks and what she has done in office." well, mr. robinson, i urge you and your brethren to continue digging, and digging, and digging, until this bitch and her fascist sidekick are buried.
EPHRAIM: Good posting
SAND POINT: Glad you had the Grace to be able to change your minds! That's enlightenement.
MY CONSCIENCE: Good posting (8:21 PM) and I think it answers CEE MIRACLES rhetorical question regarding why religions don't inspire unity. Religion in modern America is like team sports, all about competing, and finding reason to feel scorn for the "opposing" team. This allows the religious "leaders" to condition their "faithful" followers to following rules, and once energy is directed at that level of conformity, genuine spirituality is lost.
HOOTOWL: You wouldn't recognize a spiritual encounter if it hit you smack between the eyes.
REBEL NOW: God as a Capricorn? If you mean the alleged date of Jesus' birth, that's one thing, hardly proven, by the way. Second, God is ALL that is... the Zodiac is a mirror of the 12 basic PRINCIPLES that compose the great mystery. No singular sign or principle can begin to conceptualize that which is Infinite, and any religion that alleges to describe a singular god with HUMAN characteristics is looking in a distorted, narcissistic mirror. The wisdom of the ancients has much to teach us, as a higher understanding of the great heavenly Gestalt is timeless.
Siouxrose, I wasn't serious. I was trying to be humorous and mildly cynical. Actually, (reluctant confession) there was a time, many years ago, when I totally immersed myself in the study of astrology. I did charts for friends and family. I waded through books like Alice Bailey's Esoteric Astrology and had all of Alan Leo's books, among others. I gave away all my old astrology books to my wife's friend, who's completely into it. I learned a lot from studying it, especially in a historical sense, but had to give it up as a way of explaining the way of the world. Too much of it made no sense, just like many religions I've studied. Eventually my scientific mind wins out. Not that science explains everything, but I trust the process more than any other system, and find it fascinating. I'm very comfortable living with doubt and uncertainty. Peace.
"HOOTOWL: You wouldn't recognize a spiritual encounter if it hit you smack between the eyes."
That's because there is no such thing. Another name for "spiritual encounter" is hallucination or mental illness.
If we keep indulging mental illness on the left we WILL lose to the fascists. The left understood this in the 30s and now we are going backwards? What's up with that?
I think I know you are referring to the religious extremism of this country- but.. the statement might be a little extreme. what about buddhist monks.. studies have shown the shift in brain from deep meditation. I think I would consider that a religious/ spiritual experience.. legitimate.. and definitely not drug induced, or mental illness.
addendum- just about EVERY traditional-indigenous culture has some sort of drug related ritual for creating an altered experience. many medicine people can find that same state without drugs. In fact, I believe Eliade taught that the mark of the genuine shaman was someone who was able to attain the state without the use of drugs. However, the use of drugs doesn't invalidate the genuine experience that can be had in the appropriate set and setting ( not recreational crap that most kids play around with). and almost all cultures have similar experiences, regardless of setting or drug induced. just something for thought regarding the genuine progressives and activists of the world- the indigenous. and egalitarian societies are probably the most democratic, as well.
I respect Buddhists and other peacemakers from all cultures. I also respect being able to generate different sorts of brainwaves with meditative states, I would steadfastly maintain though that all the proof we have is that those are physical measurable states in the real world. Anyone who claims to see "energies" or "spirits" or who channels or claims they can predict the future based on "visions" is suffering from temporary hallucinations or mental illness and ought to be called out on that IMO if we are going to win against regressive people in the world.
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With all of history behind us -- if we study it -- we should not be surprised that the pursuit of power attracts pathologically driven figures as honey attracts the bears. But like history, bears get shot and skinned -- especially by self-serving politicians who don't want bears spreading their own true stories to others.
More tragic is how a figure like Palin could emerge and be publicy embraced. It's sort of like the body's immune system hugging a virus. Perhaps, it all a revealing measure of just how ill and dumb our body politic has become.
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There's a simple explanation for Palin's contstant lying. She's mentally ill. In a recent post on my blog I document, with video of Palin, her stating that she was prayed into office by an African 'witch-hunter'. This is also documented by multiple sources and Palin's own words. Yep, she's crazy.
She does seem to have a penchant for compulsive lying, and the really scary part is she seems to believe her own lies and contradictions. Just read (can't remember where) that the msm is calling her on saying her teleprompter 'malfunctioned' during rnc address -- unfortunately for Sarah, a well respected journalist was sitting where he could see the teleprompter and it was working fine. In light of all of this, it seems prudent to me to revisit the whole weird story of Trig, this is absolutely a woman who could carry off some really freaky scenarios and get away with them . . .
Yesterday Jon Stewart showed her, after the AIG bailout, ranting about how she and McCain would regulate Wall Street to prevent these economic disasters. A few minutes later she was ranting about getting government off the back of business. Of course, this would all happen while they lowered taxes.
Palin is not so important. She is just a VP candidate that was selected by a presidential candidate. She is not going to run the country. Why don't we stick to what is important and talk about the presidential candidates? For example..."Obama keeps lying and lying....", after all, you're going to be voting for this liar.
Yeah, I think it's a bit naive to say the VP in the age of the "unitary executive" isn't important. Cheney has been the one really calling the shots since 2001, even if smirking chimp has been all too eager to please Darth Vader. Palin will be at least as threatening a presence as Cheney's been. High probability McCain will croak in office, or be rendered incompetent from Alzeheimers, and there we have it, the fascist fundamentalist wet dream come true: one of their very own Leading the Country right over the apocalyptic abyss. Obama and Biden are fraudsters, no doubt about it, but they don't hold a votive candle to the McCain/Palin Wrecking Crew #2.
1) She’s going to be a heartbeat away from being president.
2) “She is just a VP candidate…”? All you got to do is to look at Cheney
who’s been running the show most of the time.
3) I will give Palin credit though; she’s a fast learner, running with
them lying Republicans for such a short time.
4) McBomb's lousy chice of VP reveals his inability to judge.
Was anyone really expecting anything else from the Professional Liars Club, the Republican Party? Palin suits their needs perfectly, following directly in the footsteps of Bush and Cheney and their Whole Sick Crew who have lied this country into a state of permanent disgrace, criminality, fear, hate mongering, and war all the time, anywhere they see fit. All in preparation, in the narrow mind of Sarah P, for Jesus' return, Armageddon, and the rest of the psycho-freak idiot babble emerging from the most unfortunate piece of stupidity ever published on this tortured planet, the infamous Book of Revelation.
Palin is the culmination of this psychotic version of the Judeo-Christian "narrative," one that now puts the human race on a collision course with its own suicidal tendencies, never far off in any event, but Palin wants to be riding one of the four horses of the Apocalypse, if only God will choose her for the noble duty. She'd love to be lopping off heads of non-believers until she is awash in their blood (see Revelation), and is probably as certain all this will happen just as the hallucinations of John of Patmos prophesied, as she's certain her lies on the campaign trail serve a Higher Good. If she comes to power, depending on the predictable ignorance of American voters, we can kiss our sorry asses goodbye forever.
Vote Palin? Thanks, but no thanks.
The USA is in big trouble and none running are the answer.
Now that the world has woken up to the fact the easy way to stop the USA war machine is to stop investing in the USA. CAPITALISM NEEDS CAPITAL TO WORK. That means having to go out into the world with the USA war machine backed by investors and companies and take over countries.
The USA is getting just what it should have a total meltdown of a system that DOES NOT WORK.
Enough is enough
End Republican Rule
And now for something completely different
BEETLEJUICE O Day Banana Boat Song Harry Belafonte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqVV4GSYrNM
McCain cabinet meeting?
The reason I criticize Obama and not McCain is that I assume most CD posters would never vote for McCain. I have never voted for any republicans and I get so tired of coming on here and having erroneous ideas ascribed to me simply because I do not support Barack Obama. I simply despise Barack Obama, for all of the reasons that have been reiterated a million times on CD these past several months.
I am only interested in creating, building, and sustaining a true progressive majority in the United States. Progressive policies are the ones that a majority of americans allready believe in, but voting for Democrats keeps getting in the way. I am a reformed (recovering) Democrat. I used to only vote for Democrats, until I woke up and realized it was a wasted vote. And certainly a vote for Obama impedes the progress towards a true progressive majority. This is why I so strongly advocate voting for McKinney and Nader this year. Obama simply perpetuates a broken system staying in place, as does McCain.
My hope is that between McKinney and Nader we can get at least 10% this election cycle, and hopefully we can get 5% more votes (incl. House & Senate races) every two years. In 10-20 years, such a strategy would reap results and our agenda would get enacted more and more. This is what the Conservatives did. They were able to take over the Republican party. Due to corporate funding of the parties, this was possible for so-called Conservatives (they aren't really), but it is not possible for progressives to do the same with the Democrats. That is why we need to support only true progressives, and true progressive parties.
We do have quite a number of rednecks in this country who believe anything on TV and who will vote for MCCAIN because Palin is attractive. The only way they will go progressive is if the system collapses which it probably will soon. I, too, have given up voting Democrat. I'll be voting for either McKinney or Nader. This country needs a BIG change, and Obama is not going to do that. We need to dry up oil corporations, and wrangle down banking big shots to change course. You can't do that if you are taking bribes from the people who need to be put into a holding pen.
Americans love guns and Walmart too much to ever go green and independent. The only way we will get a real progressive party is after the US economy completely crashes and a new American revolution occurs.
Therefore, please quit championing McCain by belittling our most progressive hopeful this election cycle. Reading your posts is about as pleasant as mosquitoes buzzing my ears.
"our most progressive hopeful this election cycle"
Ralph Nader is our most progressive hopeful in this election cycle, silly. Barack Obama is a conservative corporatist.
The truth is not pleasant.
And your first sentence is utterly cynical and has absolutely no relation to the truth.
Sarah Palin's subpoenas won't be honored in Alaska. She refuses to answer to anyone --- just like Dick Cheney and the rest of the Bush administration. They're above the law, don't you know. Kings and queens, royalty. WHEN is the criminal Republican monarchy going to end??
It really is ironic that the biggest lawbreakers are members of our government.
Here is a bulletin for you. Sarah Palin's popularity is dropping big time from the time she was at the convention. I saw it on Fact Check. After her interview with Charlie and the news media picking up on her lies, maybe people will start to wake up. Also, the Republicans are bringing a law suit against the party that is investigating her Trooper Gate-----which is themselves. The state legislature all agreed that an investigation should be brought with more Republicans than Dem.doing the investigation and Sarah was all open for an open investigation until she made VP. So now why are they trying to cover it up? More of the same as Bush and Cheney. (already)
Governor Palin: "You'll never take me alive, copper!" She fires off a few machine gun rounds.
Special Prosecutor: "It's just a subpoena, Governor. Right now, we just want you for questioning. The legislature's ethics commission voted unanimously for opening this investigation. Yes, all the Republicans too."
I used to be a rabid rightwing Gooper like Snow Wolf when I was young. But when I nearly lost my wife to her ailing illnesses, I put my foot down and decided to think differently. From there, I learned what liberalism was all about and why some people despise it over others. I became sick and tired of the Republicans bashing Vietnam War veterans based on their party affiliations (can you say Cleland in 2002 and Kerry in 2004). And I am sick and tired of Republicans who claim to hate government on the one hand and then on the other wait for their Social Security checks. And these are the same ones who don't mind Big War and Big Brother. I've been a recovering Republican these past 8 years and have switched my voting patterns. While I don't expect others to do so where I live I just wanted to let you all out there know that there are a lot of recovering Republicans out there who are sick and tired of their party getting out of touch. The media just doesn't want to let you know that.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
Here here, Sandpoint. The media will always make it their point to empower the Republican Party and those Democrats that go along with the Republicans. Any politician who switches from Democrat to Republican is often "glorified" in the media whereas any Republican who switches to Democrat or Independent such as Jim Jeffords in 2001 is often persecuted by the same media. There are no doubt a lot of fed up Republicans even in the reddest of the red states such as yours and mine ready to just leave the party regardless of what other party they vote for.
That's not to say that there aren't "recovering Democrats" who are now die-hard GOP voters. They do exist and the media will give them a higher priority and praise against recovering Republicans who would get plenty of scathing remarks. Interestingly, I noticed a pattern among the so-called "recovering Democrats" who are now staunch Republicans. 9 out of 10 of them never really believed in caring for others and would often rail against helping others even if it was needed and would often give a "me me me first" type remark. In other words, they were sociopaths. The GOP used to be somewhat moderate until the late 1960s when sociopaths starting taking up the lot. In fact, for a lot of older staunch GOP voters who used to vote Democrat, a lot of them would tell me that the only reason they would vote Democrat in FDR's time was "the war kept America strong". In the 1960s, these voters would claim that "those Democrats fought Communism and showed the world that America is powerful and almighty in Vietnam". Even in 1976, some of these voters who still remained open to voting Democrat but voted Nixon twice would say "damn, if Nixon hadn't left Vietnam we would have won" and decided that Carter might remind them of "JFK vs Cuba" or even LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin strike. When Carter turned out to be a pro-peace president, at least compared to other presidents, these voters were turned on by Raygun's pro "conservative" bullying and from then on were die-hards. Even recently, many of these remaining voters would grit their teeth that "Bush must go to war with Iran, now ! Send in more soldiers into Iraq !" If you ask these voters about the future of their children and the lack of safety, they'll return very hostile replies spitting at you saying "Damn those kids ! They need to learn and suffer !" And they would blame their kids for not doing economically well and even lie to them that "the president's giving you a tax cut ! Accept it or get out of my house !" These voters who always want to credit the war machines for their being rich are the reason the Military Industrial Complex has only gotten stronger. The good news is that some of the younger men and women are turning away from their rather hostile "conservative" parents. The bad news is that it's going to be a long fight to the finish. I'm not saying that all seniors are this cruel to their young like this. We need to reach out to all we can and be able to tell apart sociopaths from open minded voters. The Republicans are pretty good at courting the sociopath vote any way they can. The media is just as sociopath even if the rightwing detractors still want to revive the "liberal media" myth.
Awesome! Welcome to the left!
I've become more and more liberal as I've aged, incidentally. In 1988 I was still daddy's Republican boy, and as time went on I grew to embrace more progressive, and even some socialist ideas, primarily because they are designed to help people, and not oppress and murder them. I also have grown to understand that every word Republicans utter is a lie. They lie right to your face, make off with your money, and keep lying, telling you they're actually giving you more money, as they continue to go through your pockets looking for loose change.
are you calling me a Gooper?
Oh...GOP'er...I get it...nevermind...*LOL*
Gooper...Dude thats funny...I hadn't heard that one before...sort of like Libtard
It's always good to hear from anyone who changes his or her mind about almost anything. So many people cling forever to whatever opinion was stuck in their minds when they were 18 or 20. Democrats would be lucky to have a few more Idahoans in the caucus as sort of an antidote to creeping twee-ness. Thanks for posting!
Jacob Freeze
I seldom post here, but I am curious about something. While you are all bashing Obama and the Dems, why are you ignoring another cover-up we have on our hands--another Bush tactic? That really doesn't surprise me, however I'm surprised that everyone is being so quiet about it.
Gov. Palin was all for an open investigation over her actions concerning the dismissal of her former brother-in-law. Now GOP is crying fowl because they think it is an Obama set-up. Tell me how that can be if the investigation was started several months BEFORE Palin was ever selected? --even before she knew what the job of the VP is! I suppose there is always some partisan politics involved, but isn't it strange that Palin was all for the investigation and it was initailly supported by the GOP so it would "sest the record straight" and now it isn't? Now that she is not going to cooperate with the investigation sounds an awfully lot like the current administration. I wonder if she would ignore a supoena on the grounds that she doesn't have to testify because she is a VP candidate? Sounds like more of the same to me. Something fishy is going on in Alaska and with the GOP on this one. But, then, I'll bet she is trying to cover her guilt with more lies. Surprise, surprise.
This woman certainly does NOT speak for me. In fact, I find her even more scary than McCain or Bush and that is saying a lot!!
They are quiet because many people who post here are GOP people disguised as left wingers. Others are just are plain old far left and get more kicks out of bashing dems than reps.
There's no way you can prove that. On the other hand, it's not as if you've bothered contributing anything useful. Maybe bashing Republicans isn't such a bad idea. It's not as if they've done anything useful for anyone but the elites in Washington and their business cronies. Take your crap elsewhere and quit your complaining. As a former conservative turned liberal, I know that a leftist beats a rightist. Just ask Hugo Chavez. As long as you're chugging along in your big butt gas guzzling SUV, Chavez just gets richer and powerful.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
Dafoe
Sarah adheres to the dictate of the Red Queen of Alice In Wonderland who states that "every word means exactly what I want it to mean", couldn't be plainer. Tho' suspect Palin hasn't read the book. All the vices of small town america and none of its virtues. Sad really this nation deserves a lot better. Imagine what the rest of the world sees and the good folk get wrongly labelled because of the GOP.
She is a prime case for considering secession.
I think you must mean Humpty Dumpty who said "When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean..."
Anna E. Stanley
I believe was said by the Cheshire Cat Alice while she was in wonderland. Perhaps that is what has happened to our country, perhaps we have a fallen through a key hole and enter the land of the Queen of Hearts (Sarah Palin) and her knight errand (McCain). Or maybe we did swallow the right pill and are still eating cardboard and thinking it is T Bone. Whatever the reasons we are apparently confused and unable to make a decision about our personal, or national existence. We must revision America--what we thought it was deluded us and out of that delusion we have the America that is. McCain and Obama are the heads and tails of our political nightmare--the American Empire is a multiheaded hydra, cutting off one head only makes room for another to emerge. We live in the heart of the beast in the words of Che and only by removing the heart can we save ourselves, and our world. For it is in fact the world that is at stake, imagine Palin with the power to push the button, and that is a possibility given how frail McCain appears these days. She is the logical heir of this nightmare, what Cheney has created she will maintain. It is pathetic when one thinks of the potential of this country, we are nation held together by a set of precepts and beliefs, we not held together by a genetic national identity and that was our ultimate power. We are Americans as result of what we believe not by an hegemony of appearance or spiritual beliefs. The Constitution with all of it's flaws is still our holy Grail--the dream of Democracy is still viable, if we have the courage to step outside of our isms and schisms and stand for the dignity and value of each other. None of the candidates have talked about the power or the deliberate dumbing down of children as result of the No Child Left Behind doctrine, in case you have not notice all of our children our being left behind. None of the candidates have address the natural disaster refuge population that is growing in this country--Galveston and Houston were destroyed by Ike, and there are thousands of people with nothing--the insurance companies are getting ready to pay only a portion of the actual claims from the storm. In August 500,000 people were unemployed--and then there is the working poor who are homeless not because they are unemployed but because their incomes do not allow to rent or buy homes. We have a tremendous opportunity here and now to truly build a society that supports all of it's members with dignity, respect and compassion. I could go on but it late and I am tired. I will say this and close, I have never been a republican or a democratic I have them both to be evil, I have also stood for the dignity of our species and our planet, I serve and believe in our common humanity, I worked for progressive causes and attempted to live sanely in an insane world. I did not opt out of the system because I was never considered apart of the system, I have like the child in one of Langston Hughes poems looked at the world through a knot hole and what I have seen a come to understand is that power in this country requires that one be a liar, thief and murder of others and the planet. The only progress I see is for us to place ourselves back into the natural order of things. To live with and understanding that we do effects always someone or something else.
Like wow, you all are soooo boring.
Miss Sarah Palin is the BOMB and I LOVE her glasses;
She will inspire women to be all that THEY can be, too.
My mom had lots of abortions but missed her appointment for mine and I'm here so I KNOW they suck.
Sarah for President. Plus that guy of course.
Sarah Palin probably thinks you are going to go to hell for eternity after your short time here. Are you Pentacostal? Born-again and spirit-filled? If not, the BOMB might backfire on you.
i have heard people say that living the the "states", is like living in a bowl of exorbitantly expensive, garish and tacky commercial breakfast cereal,... "what isn't fruits or nuts, is flakes"...
the dumb'ing down of the masses is nearly complete..., creating a docile and pliant mass of consumer/worker drones.
selective health care, motivated by profit, provides yet another level of control over the common folk. those who dare to get sick, and do not possess a "health insurance policy"... you are ON YOUR OWN!
those with a policy, if lucky(read $$), enjoy the services of several top notch, world renowned specialists, to treat a hang nail...
this display of class disparity in health care, unabashedly proclaimed as "the best money can buy", goes a long way in explaining why today's politicians, whilst pissing on our collective leg, can look us in the eye and tell us it is raining...
the whole thing is rotting from the inside... the stench is detectable all around the globe...
did you see the stocks drop like bombs today?..
simplify now.. the ride is only just starting.
atheist,
I won't accuse you of becoming a racist today, just of becoming self-destructive and not caring sufficiently for this country.
progressive party,
You misstate my expectations. Obama COULD NOT be worse than Bush and McBush. If the country just can keep a piece of itself, I will be grateful.
Besides, I live in the South (Winston-Salem) where there are lots of people of color, and I like them.
I wished I could say the same of my place. :(
I'll still vote for Obama even though it's highly unlikely he'll win my state. Nader is cool and has great ideas but his energy would be better spent empowering think tanks and reforming the Democratic Party and even the Green Party that is still in disarray. Why isn't Ralph Nader working towards reforming the Democratic Party? He can primary out the sellouts in the party and replace them with Democrats who are closer to the FDR genre. For all his 16 years he spent running for president that he knows he has now chance of winning, he could have redirected it towards building better thinktanks, media outlets, and purging the party of bad centrists. The guy's 74 and he's not going to get any respect. Even if he were to be elected, there would be plenty of votes from both parties to override his vetoes and render him irrelevant. Nader needs a sizable number of House and Senate people who will support his plans.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
I may be quite naive, but it seems to me that if Nader were to get in there is a likelihood that in 2010 Nader would be asking us, the people, to elect the senators and congressmen he needed to support his plans, and that there is a possibility that we would do so.
That's theoretically possible. However, I'm with Sandpoint on this point. Assuming that Nader got in, he's facing a two-party Congress and both parties are likely to team up against him and render him completely irrelevent from legislation to overriding presidential vetos to blocking judicial appointments. Worse, what if they impatiently move to impeach and remove them because the opportunity is right in front of them? They have money and power to do it along with a hostile anti-democracy media to support it with their fake polling. And like FDR, he could be facing possible assasination attempts even when the Great Depression and labor factors were in FDR's huge favor. I think that it is better that we first help 3rd party progressives and liberals infiltrate the two parties at local and state offices. From there, let's build it on up to the US House and Senate. That way, the Democrats and Republicans will be unable to render 3rd party progressives and liberals irrelevant. While at it, we need to reform the media big time to allow 3rd parties more chances to make themselves known to more voters.
Am glad to hear that you see it as theoreticially possible. I am assuming that Nader would be able to talk directly to us via television. Am also assuming that progressives would quickly recognize the potentials and dangers and opportunities and would be providing some support and organizing on the outside.
I would think that the two corporate parties would also need to be careful. They would need to appear reasonable. Nader would be able to bring up issues for discussion and could propose "reasonable" solutions that the Congress would have difficulty accepting and difficulty rejecting, especially if there is visible support for it by the people. If they over-ride vetos they risk the over-rides becoming election issues. Basically Nader would likely be quite influentual in determining the issues that will be discussed in the 2010 elections.
By the way it would be good to also help 3rd party progressives and liberals infiltrate ...,
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What is the difference between Sarah Palin, a pitbull, and a hockeymom?
One shits on your lawn, one takes no shit, and the other is a lying sack of shit.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Keats you ain't.
Are you? (Keats) We can't all be high-class bluebloods, you know. I've read his posts and they're actually pretty good.
I urge all supporters of Sen Obama to mainly ignore Gov Palin, as talking about her is playing Karl Rove's Game: talking about Gov Palin is moving the discussion away from issues where Sen Obama can win - like health care, jobs and education - to trivia where, since Rove selected the game, Sen Obama is at a disadvantage.
The proper response of any supporter of Sen Obama when someone asks about Gov Palin is something along the lines of, well she seems like a typical member of the GOP, loving pork and decrying it at the same time, proving that women can be as bad as men. But enough about Gov Palin - lets talk about how Sen Barack Obama is going to bring good jobs to this country, how he is going to help you pay for your kids colleg, aobut how he is going to start to fix the health care system in this countyr. Those are important real issues, and Gov Obama is the best man for the job
"I urge all supporters of Sen Obama to mainly ignore Gov Palin, as talking about her is playing Karl Rove's Game:..."
the lie again... Don't believe this spin for a minute... she is a joke... treat her that way. Rove wins if you don't laugh your ass off at this desperate attempt at political mockery.
I agree. Do not get pissed. But speak up. Write letters to the editor clarifying this nonsense. Because a whole lot of our fellow citizens are being taken in by this BS.
Lies are a form of powerful manipulation. They deny us making informed decisions. People should understand that and speak up.
Let's see, Plain Jane has foreign affair experience because she can see Russia from parts of Alaska where she wants to explore coal mining again and put that pipeline in ANWR because according to Bill O'Reilly the caribou don't mind if we stick a pipeline right in the middle of their migratory paths. According to Sean Hannity, the G.O.P. is the party of GOD. Dick Morris says 'so we kill a couple of polar bears, we gotta get to work.' It's especially concerning about the future of Wise County, Virginia. The Cheney years have been difficult on the prosperity here. We are loosing our homes on the back of the big corporations buck ( a familiar theme ). We cannot stand another day of destruction of 350 Million year old Appalachian Mountains to the likes of Palin/Cheney. Hannity what about your rants two years ago about eminent domain ? http://www.samsva.org
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Yes they lie. They have lied since day one in 2000. It has never been anything but. Problem is that it's not being called for what it really is. OTC spells it out here. This is serious and the time for nice has long since passed!
Yeah, and Obama told the left he was against FISA. That was until he actually shifted and voted for FISA. Moral of the story? His followers will believe anything too. The fact is both Palin, McCain, and Joe (the bankers best friend crafting the new Bankruptcy law) Biden, all represent corporate interests. A pack of pond scum catering to a pack of sheep.
FISA has been around a lot longer than Obama. Do you mean the revised FISA. I can;t remember how it changed from the first version to the one Obama voted for...did Obama vote yes on the Patriot Act too? If he did, how can he say he is all about protecting the constitution?
myconscience September 16th, 2008 9:00 pm
"Do you mean the revised FISA. I can;t remember how it changed from the first version to the one Obama voted for..."
For one thing it gave the telecoms immunity for illegally spying on us at the behest of GWB.
Lobo Gris
Not to mention he was the number 2 receiver of contributions from fannie mae and freddie mac (Chris Dodd was numero Uno)....
and now he's going to rail against it?...Hah!
They may all be snakes, but you have to admit that some snakes are more dangerous than others. McPalin is venemous, neurotoxicity high, and mean.
By comparison Obama is a garter snake and Biden a constrictor.
and Biden a constrictor
Yep...He's squeezing the life out of Obama's Campaign
A poignant point--and very well put.
Ol' Dubya muss be a sidewindin' rattler!
Her "followers" will believe anything form those lips. We on the other hand wait for the day the wolves gnaw on her bones.
There soon may not be many (if any) wolves left to do the gnawing if Sarah shoot-em-from-the-sky Palin and her ilk have their way. SnowWolf will probably be on hand, however, licking her feet (or some other choice body-part)...
i don't think she has any followers. The Republicans are so good at standing behind their party, regardless of the candidate, but they're not stupid.
After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance, realities and the issues of the world around them, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media full of hucksters, corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.
America has become a circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. It is slowly devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons can watch every night on their TV's.
As a result, their media has convinced the American people that they are the good guys. Americans still view themselves as the cavalry and the liberators, but, they are in fact viewed as the hostile invaders, the belligerent occupiers and that which must be resisted.
Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.
Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are both very respectable men who were belittled, bashed or ignored in the American media. Unlike McCain or Obama, neither of these men are corporate chimps or liars. The corporate media rail roaded an unsuspecting and lazy American public into making bad choices for their country.
And now, if the world has to deal with John “Bush, the Sequel” McCain and his sidekick, Sarah “my god can kick your god’s ass” Palin, we can expect more of the same mindless light on brains, heavy on bombs, ignore the economy.
Remember, the asshole America elects is usually the one who ends up shitting all over the planet.
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Vote McCain/Palin and build a bomb shelter
Greenis,
I don't know whether calling anyone who dares to criticize Obama a racist would work or not. I suspect not.
I do know, however, that a certain proportion of the people who criticise him do so because they are fearful of any black person, and the number is large enough, a Harvard guy I know predicted a year and a quarter ago, to stop his election.
And I will continue to evaluate all anti-Obama arguments. The weaker they are ("He's Muslim!"-- as Diane Rehm says, "What if he were?"), the more likely that the charge of racism is justified.
People who enter neutral discussion forums on racism and have never ever thought of themselves as racist often leave knowing for sure that they are and even admitting it.
My only hope in doing this is to help a few people realize that irrational fear underlies their blather. I think that Barack Obama, and more than him the country,
needs for them to vote for him.
You know you're qualified to be Vice-President when you can squeeze American taxpayers out of 400 million dollars for a bungee jumping platform.
The women in the hot lights of politics at the moment make me think of the books out now regarding the aggression of women. starting with Phyllis Chesler and then into the Queen Bee books, books on mean adolescent girls etc. These women would eat me alive (i am female), far scarier than the most sexist man. i think the librarian is quoted as saying that palin scared the bejeebers out of her. i know why. women are vicious.
Sounds like somebody I want looking out for my interests...
your interests are the only ones you are concerned of i guess. egocentric?
Yep...its all about me....me me me
(I'm giving you the answer you want to hear....have fun)
its the answer i expected to hear. want? i have no desires regarding your level of emotional/spiritual development. you are where you are. based on knowing others with your mentality, all i can do is have compassion for you. limited, lonely, fearful. perhaps you have ED or sleep with women not really interested in you. your heart is tight, your anger easy. blessings of joy and peace to you silly person.
I have GOT to Laugh...I have never seen such total fear over a "skirt" in my life
Sarah Palin is a phenom because she is 'real'...she is one of "Us" (read Average American)
SHE is a Populist...the real deal...not your definition of a Populist (Read John Kerry elite billioneiress' boy toy)
I am convinced she is going to become only more popular as the election goes on
Flame me if you will ...I will let the Polls speak for themselves...she is the most Popular of McCain, Obama or Biden
Not anymore, Snow Wolf -- the truth caught up with her and she's now the LEAST popular among Obama, Biden and McCain.
So long, Horse-Hockey Mom.
real? shes been proved a liar a thousand times.
Yes, she is an "average American." And that's why this country is so f**ked.
HaHa, you're a laugh a minute there, Snow Job. Watch Sarah Palin implode if we were unlucky enough to have her in the White House. She's lived a relatively sheltered life up there in the woods with not much stress. People like that haven't learned how to cope with stress very well as they haven't been exposed to it -- and they can't deal with it. They get all flustered and can't think straight.
They deal with stress by sighting down the length of a rifle; killin' sumpin'--whether moose for sport, or muslims for spite--seems to be great stress relief for republicans...
She's done quite well against all of the attacks so far.
We'll see
So far I think she is pretty damn awesome....the Campaign I see Imploding is Obama/Biden
Snow Wolf and his bandwagon are hypocritical on this one. If Mrs. Palin and her husband switched roles before McSame tapped his nominee, would you Mr. Snow Wolf, love Mr. Palin as a runningmate or is your fascination all about the hotty-hocky mom? [in case you don't get it--in other words--if Mr. Palin had the exact same credentials as his wife and Karl Rove picked him out of the blue to be the next veep would you find a man in her place extraordinary?]
Although I like the naughty Librarian look, she isn't really my thang....
and Karl Rove is a Political Analyst for Newsweek now (yeah...Newsweek...my jaw dropped too)
Emphasis on Anal...
I agree.