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British Petroluem, Imagination, and Nuclear Catastrophe
Before the catastrophic British Petroleum oil gush in the Gulf of Mexico, there were environmentalists who warned that offshore drilling was fraught with risk - risk of exactly the type of environmental damage that is occurring. They were mocked by people who chanted slogans such as "Drill, baby, drill." Now it is clear that the "Drill, baby, drill" crowd was foolish and greedy. The economic wellbeing of people in and around the Gulf coast has been badly damaged and, for some, destroyed altogether. Aquatic and estuary life, in the Gulf and beyond, has fallen victim to an environmental disaster that was foreseeable with a modicum of vision and imagination.
Albert Einstein reached the conclusion that "Imagination is more important than knowledge." He said that "knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand." Let us try applying our imaginations to nuclear weapons and nuclear war. Here are some scenarios:
Scenario 1: Al Qaeda does what most commentators believed to be impossible. They obtain nuclear materials for several nuclear weapons and hire scientists to construct crude nuclear weapons. These weapons are detonated in London, New York and Paris within hours of each other. Millions would lie dead and injured. Around the world stock markets would freefall. Before the terrorist nuclear attacks, the people who warned against such a possibility were mocked.
Scenario 2: Nuclear deterrence fails dramatically, and India and Pakistan engage in a nuclear war over Kashmir. The hundred or so nuclear warheads that detonate on Indian and Pakistani cities leave millions dead and lower global temperatures so as to significantly shrink the size of agricultural areas in which food can be grown. Crop failures leave hundreds of millions more people to starve to death. Before the war, the people who warned against such a possibility were mocked.
Scenario 3: A nuclear war begins with an accidental launch of a nuclear-armed missile by Russia, followed by a retaliatory strike by the US, which brings further retaliation from Russia, leading to still more from the US. Before the accidental launch, few people believed that such a cataclysmic accident and its retaliatory follow up were possible. In its aftermath, the scenario seems far too feasible. People now realize that the failsafe devices to prevent accidental launches could fail, but those who foresaw this danger and warned about it earlier were mocked.
Scenario 4: North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il launches a nuclear attack that destroys US military bases on the Japanese island of Okinawa. He threatens to destroy the Japanese city of Kyoto and Seoul, South Korea unless he receives the development assistance he says was promised to him by the United States. Those who argued throughout the Nuclear Age that continued possession of nuclear weapons by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council would result in nuclear proliferation and the weapons falling into the hands of irrational leaders were mocked.
There are many scenarios possible for the onset of nuclear war and there remain many justifications for nuclear weapons. Leaders of nuclear weapon states argue that these weapons are only for nuclear deterrence, that is, to prevent war by threatening nuclear retaliation. They don't foresee the potential failure of nuclear deterrence, even though they recognize the cataclysmic consequences of failure. They believe that nuclear weapons bolster a country's prestige and give it greater power in the international system. They proudly display their nuclear weapons and test their missile delivery systems. Those who argue that nuclear deterrence could fail catastrophically are mocked.
Political and military leaders have failed to honor the proposition that in every complex system in which humans are involved, system failure is a possibility. They have dismissed the idea of system failure leading to nuclear annihilation. Scientists spoke out about this shortsightedness, but they were mocked. Former high-level policymakers spoke out about the dangers, and they, too, were mocked. Even some former military leaders spoke out against the dangers of reliance on nuclear weapons, and they were mocked. The survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who witnessed the horrors of the atomic bombs firsthand, have told their stories in an attempt to awaken people to the danger of nuclear weapons, but their voices are soft and few people in high places have listened to them.
Civil society organizations from throughout the world have called out for a commitment to an urgent plan for the elimination of nuclear weapons, and they also have been mocked. But, like the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they continue to speak out because it is the right thing to do. Nuclear weapons can end life on Earth as we know it. They can destroy civilization. In a major nuclear war, they could bring the human species and most complex forms of life to extinction. Even in a smaller nuclear war or accident, they could destroy cities and countries.
As the oil from the British Petroleum failure in the Gulf of Mexico continues to destroy the ocean and surrounding environment, it is perhaps too late to ask ourselves whether offshore drilling is worth the risk. Clearly it is not. It is still not too late, however, to raise the question of whether continued reliance on nuclear weapons is worth the risk to humanity and to future generations.
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Show AllYou left out one imaginary scenario: Israel drops nuclear weapons on Iran. Well the rest of the scenario can be left to the imagination as it, too, can lead to nuclear war especially if there are more countries or political groups that have secret nukes like Israel. This is the scenario that takes the least amount of imagination. In fact, it is likely within the next few weeks. If, as you say, nuclear weapons can be likened to a leaking oil well, Israel's well is the most unsafe and the most likely to blow. Look at the Israelis demonstrating in the streets clamoring for war and listen to its PM railing against Iran and then you realize that, like Deepwater Horizon, there is no safety valve on this well. It's long past time to cap this sucker before we all pay the ultimate price.
El Polaco, while i don't resonate with your style, i must admit i predicted this, with u.s. complicity, of course (hope you aren't naive), to take place in may.
So.....who knows???
Unfortunately El Polaco, that genie is already out of the bottle. This Israelis, just ahead of the Americans, are the most brainwashed and degraded society on earth. Exposed daily to images of violence and death, we cower behind those we think will keep us safe. The very ones escalating the violence and perpetrating global insecurity. We both think we are exceptional peoples. The circle has begun. The Zionists will bring down the whole world in their ultimate suicide mission. They have no religion. They know only deceit and death. They have amassed huge amounts of money by profiting from discord and war. They will use every last penny assuring they stay on top of the power structure. They will torture. They will kill. They will lie. They will deceive. They will betray. Ultimately they will die because of their disgusting, warped and wrong view of humanity and the laws of nature. The question remains; do we have to go down with them? To this, at present it seems, the answer is yes. Sad, eh?
Way out....You surely are.
Aren't there enough articles on the israeli atrocities to provide posting opportunites here?
Although it is amusing how people work it in, regardless of the topic.
Oh, i'll bet the utrasound embryonic Jesus article is chocked full!
Helen Caldicot has written extensively on nuclear problems. Nuclear energy represents power beyond our ability to control. Can we organize the wisdom to shut down it's use?
BP and the Gulf Coast probably serves as a practice exercise in the development of sufficient wisdom.
Blogs seem to starting some these questions.
Good point, Curtis,and seeing this in a creative light!
Interesting how the first two posters ONLY see Israel as the at-risk party, whilst the article clearly paints the portrait of a number of equally diabolical outcomes, each attributable to another unstable nation.
DANGER: ASTROLOGY SPOKEN HERE! (I encourage those who find this topic anathema to pass this post by.)
As most in this forum now understand, Mars is the archetype for war and conflict. This was based on ancient knowledge of the nebulous relationship between humans and the cosmos, a relationship described through the cosmic clockworks which astrologers understand regulate many events on earth.
The ancients (along with the astrologers of India who practice Vedic calculations) did not know about Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto.
Just as the piano repeats the same scales at higher or lower octaves, astrologers note octave relationships between specific planets.
Pluto, discovered around l930, is said to be the higher octave of Mars. Up until the l940's, just after Pluto's discovery, warfare was pretty much conformed to gunpowder or weapons that slice and dice. UNFORTUNATELY, along with the discovery of Pluto, human beings opened Pandora's box to the dark wonders of atomic power.
Mars is the destroyer, and once this energy was coupled with Pluto, destruction took on far more massive proportions, those capable of tearing apart the very WEAVE of matter.
"Let no man tear asunder what God hath joined together."
I believe that once the atomic bomb was "mastered," the ego's urge to play God got out of control, especially in uniformed males or those with lusts for power. A spiritually intact soul would have witnessed the impossible carnage of Nagasaki and Hiroshima and said, "Never again!" Instead, the U.S. military has built up an arsenal of these lethal weapons of mass destruction.
Here is where I see the psychic damage that's resulted from patriarchal religions. By worshipping ONLY the masculine side of THE FORCE, respect for women, the birth canal, the HOLDERS of life has been marginalized. Men wanted to claim the power (to CREATE life) that they were never biologically endowed with, and not being able to do so (until now, as they play just as dangerously with biogenetic codes, the very DNA that makes for life) focused on the reciprocal power of destruction.
How ironic that those who define themselves as our protectors are the ones who are playing with the fire of the gods, the fires that kill on profound scales.
The rupture of the atom (ADAM) continues to reverberate since the first nuclear weapons were detonated; for humanity has seen nothing but escalations in war, conflict, and war on nature in the form of endlessly self-defeating acts of resource depletion, the death of ecosystems, and extinction of countless species.
UNTIL THE BALANCE is understood, until respect is equally imparted to the Divine Feminine, and its equivalent as Mother Nature, all the hosannas sung to god the father break down into macho powers to kill, destroy, and mutilate.
I realize that many men do NOT identify with Mars, but so long as millions worship in patriarchal congregations where God is seen as the Shiva destroyer, where they're taught they can kill other (it's "God's will") with impunity, these weapons, a tribute to the darkest of gods may be used. They represent a form of idolatry to the god of death ... and are NOT what Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Moses, Krisha, or any other Avatar would do... or make use of!
"I realize that many men do NOT identify with Mars, but so long as millions worship in patriarchal congregations where God is seen as the Shiva destroyer, where they're taught they can kill other (it's "God's will") with impunity, these weapons, a tribute to the darkest of gods may be used."
Unfortunately, it is not only men who are destructive, though men have more opportunities to be so. Kipling gave some advice to British soldiers in Afghanistan about what do to if they were wounded. He said when the women come out with their knives, the soldiers should save the last bullet for themselves.
It isn't a 'gender' issue, as i see it, sheepherder. It is about polarities. Yin/yang.
Of course, maggie thatcher was no different, was she? Hillary Clinton? No different. Men in drag. (i think i have a new movie concept here)
And as Sioux points out, it is about the BALANCE. An imbalance of the feminine also creates its own problems.
READY: Exactly!
I would only add, and I have elaborated at length on this topic in previous CD posts, that I use astrology to expand the archetypes of Yin and Yang into 6 basic subsets each. Within the feminine 6, the dominant archetype for the type of female that goes along with the patriarchal program, usually identifying with a powerful male as father/husband/boss/mentor is Athena. She denies having been born through a mother, and instead asserts that she emerged from her father Zeus's head. This is the type of female who thinks like "the boys' club." She will gravitate to a position of power by supporting the status quo. Thus she's a paradox because while on one hand, she raises the bar by acting as token role model! "Look how far Condi Rice got!" On the other hand, she does NOTHING to shift the status quo to make it easier for other women to obtain positions of power, status, or authority. (It works the same way with many Blacks like Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Eric Holder, Obama, etc.)
I just realized we could define a whole set of politicians as "The Athena Bunch."
Perhaps this explains (for the Nth time).
Excellent, Sioux!!!
I think it is great that you will post from Peru. I can't wait to read those posts from the Andes!
Good post, Siouxrose. I would argue that science and technology historically have been fueled by this patriarchal desire for power, defined not as power-with-others or Self-empowerment, but as power-over or control. In other words, technology, whatever its wondrous benefits, is not a neutral phenomena. It is based on the idea of dominating nature and other people. Such a notion is obviously contradictory, because we human beings (too) ARE nature, and nature is US. And so, beginning from a false place of feeling OUTSIDE of nature, technophiliac man develops more and more technologies until finally he develops the atom bomb, the culmination of our wonderfully Progressive, scientific, secular, enlightened "civilization." I would add to this biotechnology, which companies like Monsanto are busily using to fundamentally alter the plant life on earth, if possible, so as to make what nature gives us freely something which they can control and give for a high price.
We are in a period in which the Divine Feminine is returning to collective awareness, as manifested in such modern phenomena as feminism, the New Age movement, neopaganism, ecofeminism, etc. This is good, as it is restoring a balance long ago lost.
"In other words, technology, whatever its wondrous benefits, is not a neutral phenomena. It is based on the idea of dominating nature and other people."
I see technology as a double-edged sword. Just as fire can be used to destroy, it can also be used to nourish and sustain. I believe creativity is a natural extension of one of the greatest gifts a human possesses: imagination. Therefore, while it is quite natural that man's evolutionary technological advancement would inevitably result in the (deconstruction) of nature --- not to mention the resultant post-modernist society we find ourselves living in --- the USE of such technology is the key.
As Einstein said (and is pointed out in another article), knowledge is nothing without imagination. There is something in the way human's evolve technologically that is innate to our own species. Blaming the nuclear problem on a "patriarchal desire for power" is like blaming overpopulation on libido.
Where the patriarchal problem rears its ugly head is when these advancements are subverted for selfish (authoritarian/control) reasons.
I would agree with you, old peculiar.
Of course, there are infinitely more creative ways to view our reality. And our technologies, imo, are not the most sophisticated. They all reflect our own beliefs about the nature of reality and human nature. Since humans did design and engineer them.
We need to start to question unsustainable beliefs about our own natures, so a more life affirming technology can emerge.
My two cents.
OLD PECULIAR: Close, but no cigar. Or, the analysis can go much further.
Does a Caucasian really understand what someone wearing a dark skin feels every day of his or her life? We can speak about laws changed to alter the once adamantly racist equation, but can law alone quantify the experience of being stared at at a restaurant counter?
I relate this by analogy to suggest that your being a male makes you unconscious of the degree to which EVERYTHING has been molded to suit the image and likeness of males, you know, the ones that think God represents THEIR image and likeness.
My favorite analogy is weapons. I can check my watch (although I don't wear one) and pretty much expect JAKE NEWTON to show up on this one. As he and I have had this cognitive dance around the threads before. Here it is: Name me ONE weapon that resembles female anatomy?
To the extent that the notion of God has come to resemble a strict father (Saturn), pro-violence/war (Mars) hybrid, weaponry, that supreme human expression of "the big bang" is designed with the phallos in mind! Torpedoes, bombs, bullets, submarines, missiles... what did I leave out?
Whatever is invented is a projection of the thought process of the inventor. There have been a handful of female scientists up until about 50 years ago. Science was in the hands of males, and its parameters and protocols UNCONSCIOUS projections of maleness.
Patriarchy has been so deeply embedded because it has been the RULE rather than exception (in law, religion, the halls of academe, government) for CENTURIES, that its givens are taken for the full substance of reality or what is possible. Those females who advance to obtain power and/or advanced degrees must show competency (if not fealty) to the system. To become validated they in turn validate the system. A few (and this of course applies to enlightened males, as well) do manage to fly over The Cuckoo's Nest. Some trailblaze and set up the bases for new dicta and orders of Truth.
I say humanity's been playing with half a pack, or navigating its vessel with only ONE (ideological) oar! No wonder there is no progress where anything but war technology is concerned! This is why HIS-story repeats! It's been mostly HIS story!
MEMORY HOLE: Fabulous post! I agree 100%. As a matter of fact, when a friend of mine sat me down 4 years ago to listen to a DVD about Dr. Alberto Villoldo, and he began his lecture speaking about the Judeo-Christian myth being the only one where human beings were thrown OUT of the garden (to thus establish an antithetical relationship with nature, not to mention human inborn sensuality, natural basic instincts, etc.) its truths hit me hard.
I am about to venture to Peru to spend time with Dr. Alberto Villoldo and explore the prophecies of the Indigenous shaman who reside near Machu Picchu. With so much out of balance, and things deteriorating by the day, I figure if I am ever to take this pilgrimage (which is how I view it), the time is now. So long as the planes have no problems, I will share some of the things I learn (or discover there) in this forum. I no longer feel certain about anything! And there's a hilarity to this in that the guy I date is a Capricorn, so he's supposed to be the paranoid sign! Whenever I tell him things I see happening (plenty of these insights taken from the articles and comments published on this website) he tries to tell me that everything is Okay. It clearly is not!
I already have a screenplay idea related to this trip in mind. Courting inspiration is the fuel of my existence, and I wish I could spread it around like fairy dust.
Siouxrose,
"At risk party", to use your words, are all of us. I mentioned Israel, as it seems did the first poster, because the author, for whatever reason, failed to include the most, in my view, likely nuclear scenario. As a restaurant and bar worker, I was pretty good at predicting which patron would be the most likely to get into a fight that night. I apply that experience to witness the belligerence and intoxication of nations and groups of people and to predict where that attitude will eventually carry them. Yes, most belligerent leaders are men. As are most of the fighters in bars. Most isn't all. The dichotomies that you continue to set up between men and women and the planets simply doesn't work for me. I don't disparage your knowledge or predictions. I have always desired and expressed the idea that there should be equal representation, on all levels, especially between the sexes, and especially in the search for lasting peace. I appreciate knowledge and dialog, different ways of looking at the world, and especially the truth. I find that the truth is so scarce today that I am forced into skepticism. I just returned from Maine where I was visiting friends and hiking. No news, no bullshit. That is where I find my truth. I watched the stars for many hours. They gave me the same message they always give me. "Most people are full of shit". I have always found the greatest peace at sea, or in the woods, under the night sky. Far away from the chatter of humans. And, I continue to believe that Israel's words and actions strongly suggest that they will be the first to initiate a nuclear attack. Also, I am a man and I have never been in a fight, hit or caused violence to another living being.
I appreciate your authenticity, Way Out. Sorry for my earlier post.
Although, i too connect with the sea and the stars, i must admit, i never got "humans are full....." when communing. Although i had an amazing experience on cape cod two years ago in the fall. The National Seashore. Late at night.
I could see the milky way like i never had anywhere else in the world. And i couldn't move. I just felt light moving through me. And i had a very powerful sensing of being a galactic citizen. That the idea of owning a planet is so absurd, and we had better start realizing we live in a galactic neighborhood.
Peace.
rita
Thank you Rita,
Your comment impresses and gladdens me.
Way Out, i am pleased.
And i only shared a small piece of that particular experience. There was much more to it. Honestly.
There was a hurricane that had been moving off the east coast, so the waves were extremely high and the forces of nature were tremendous. I felt that so many elements had come together at that moment.
And i felt, beneath my feet, the glacial erratics that are there. And the feeling, while connecting to the galaxy, was the movement of the glaciers and the ice age. It was a feeling of awe in such a monumental way. If i may say it in this way - it was on a cellular level. And i understood more about probabilities than i had realized previously.
So, i just shared some more....
rita
Well, Wayout, a cell in your anus is not the same as the one in your brain; and yet all are part of your one body. There are specialized functions within the oneness, a specific essence unique to each drop that becomes the great ocean. If I identify these categories, the use of identifiers is not in and of itself the mechanism that causes separation. I like the analogy of astrology as notes of music. One note would be very dull pounded continuously. In my view, that note is Mars. It's out of balance. There are 11 other principles or notes, and the expressions of each are equally valid. Taken in balance, they would make for a world that puts far less emphasis on war. Humanity could play better songs!
If you have read my posts over the course of the 2-3 years that this open forum has been in existence, you'd know that I believe in reincarnation. Therefore your masculine form in this incarnation is not the ONLY form your essence has known.
The chart itself, composed of influences drawn from the planets, shows masculine and feminine dynamics. We all have both! Some of the most macho-posturing men I've known happen to have had a DEARTH of masculine planets. I have 6 masculine to 5 feminine (we count the ascendant/rising sign). I have no doubt I have had incarnations as a male, and in all probability a warrior. Hence my reflecting a vision that goes "beyond Mars rules."
I believe in a Sacred balance that begins with Supreme Yin and Yang. This understanding is written into DNA, chemistry (the negative electron drawn to the positively charged nucleus), the I ching, astrology, numerology and probably all the other esoteric oracle systems. These were devised to preserve the ancient and inviolate universal Laws.
To believe in the circle, as I do, is to see how differences and intended areas of specialization may work to create an orchestra of notes that produce harmony. If YOU only hear the categories and miss the vision of the circle, I am not sure that it is my delivery (of info) that is the problem.
Today is the new moon in Gemini, sign of the twins. Here duality rules... but Gemini's twins some see reflected as the Tarot's Lovers, the inborn search for the soulmate, that being that complements you. Gemini is also quite good at projection, and I have enjoyed watching Geminis argue--out loud--with themselves. Mercury, the winged trickster rules Gemini. Sometimes words (do) get in the way. I hope this clarifies. Peace. And may the world's oceans heal.
Vishnu, god of preservation, is being misused by groups such the Hare Krishna movement. The Hare Krishna movement is fine until you get to where people tell you that Krishna is in charge of everything. I don't get them at times but they'll go nuts if I think deep and interpret the Bhagavad Gita or parts of it a little differently from their conformed interpretations. I respect Krishna as the divine figure but I never recalled him saying that we shouldn't think independently. The same thing goes with the Shaivates, Shiva-only worshippers.
Your description of Divine Feminism is similar to Shaktism. Shiva could be equated with Mars and Devi with Venus. You must have studied Hinduism and the four Sects. I've fallen into the Smarta sect of the four.
Robert Oppenheimer was reminded of this standing in the desert of new mexico when watching Trinity, the first atomic bomb test, "Now i am become death, the destroyer of worlds"......
Mockery has been a recurrent tool of the Anglo-American hegemony for quite some time.
Those who doubted and continue to doubt the truth of the official story of the Kennedy murders in the 60's were mocked.
Likewise, those who see the absurdity of the Official Conspiracy Theory about 9/11 are mocked by the corporate media.
Ridicule isn't an argument. It's a tactic. And it seems to work.
general commentator, excellent insight.
The possibility of accidental nuclear war seems the most likely. Remember Murphy's Law.
The BP blowout in the Gulf offers ample warning. The drilling supervisors ignored clear evidence that the blowout prevention device on the gulf floor was critically damaged. Oh, well....
We will wind up kicking the (radioactive) dirt, saying "You know, this could have been prevented."
How true!
The analogy between oil spills and nuclear war is interesting. The complexity of each phenomenon, is what links them. More information about how complex system are prone to failure can be found in Charles Perrow's book "Normal Accidents." It is dated in some respects, but much of what he says is still valid.
Using another analogy, if banks can be too big to fail, consider that some things, such as nuclear power plants can be too complex to run as designed. When we consider human systems, involving madmen, the potential for failure increases markedly.
On another point, SiouxRose mentioned Pluto in her astrological analysis. I wonder how her calculations have been affected by the fact that Pluto is no longer considered a planet.
The fact that pluto is no longer considered a planet, by astronomers, doesn't change the symbolism of what pluto represents.
I can't speak for Sioux Rose, of course. But i am a practicing psychologist of many years and i used to work with the energy language and symbolic syntax of astrology. I find Sioux to be an astrologer's astrologer, although i personally don't find that language to be what works best for me.
Astrologers, not just Sioux, still use pluto because the type of energy it has represented within the human psyche, as well as on the planet (it is all connected), is , in fact, a reality.
I personally never saw astrology as being about casusal relationships. I am a synchronicity fan.
Hope i was helpful. And Sioux may certainly disagree....
READY: Nice reply. I am in agreement with all that you've related.
Pluto began its transit of Capricorn about 3 years ago. (Like all planets, it first enters a sign only to turn retrograde and retrace the arc of its prior lengthy passage.) I'm sure I'm not alone in recognizing the degree to which life's lessons are knocking harder. This is true on individual as well as collective levels. Capricorn is governed by Saturn, the Old Testament "lord of karma." Pluto wields the power of destruction to clear the way for rebirth. Its most telling analogy is that of the Phoenix rising from its own ashes. With the "Shiva/Vishnu" tear-down-in order-to-rebuild principle crossing the sign where the lords of karma like to balance the books, it seems that humanity is being flooded with heavy lessons (of a karmic nature) in overdrive.
If my contention is accurate (there is no way to prove it with scientific measures of alleged certainty) that the end of the Piscean Age is demanding proficiency in the form of tests, then the "final exams" each individual must now meet (and pass) are packaged as the hardships now being faced. How to know if you're passing? To still be able to care about others regardless of your personal tests. To not lose your humanity to a wish for vengeance or violence. These are the conclusions I've come to, and they're open to revision should life events point me in another direction. I share them to open others' minds to possibilities seldom considered.
Sioux, i would agree with what you are saying here. But there is a synchronicity i shall share, because this issue came up with someone i spoke with yesterday. In fact, the idea of this being about 'tests'. I recorded it, so i must replay what was said.
But i would call them 'challenges', rather than tests. My own personal angle. It may be semantics, though. But, in the scheme of things, we really can't fail. Because BALANCE exists within infinity, in my own vision/understanding. It is all about learning......In one time and place or another.
It just depends WHAT we are learning. We are doing well in learning how to self destruct, aren't we? Very creative in our imbalancing act.
Pluto in capricorn. Also sounds like the earth changes - earthquakes, etc. And i am now thinking of something else. The oil gusher from under the sea floor. Since neptune would be the ocean, traditionally. But beneath the ocean....I would say this is deeply plutonian.....????? I don't know if this is already being said, though.
RITA: The Pluto power is the surge of death moving through and across the Gulf. Neptune does represent the ocean as kingdom, and all of its assets, inclusive of oil. I am pressed for time... catch you later. I'll share AFTER I get back, as computer access will be limited.
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To not lose your humanity to a wish for vengeance or violence.
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That is something I struggle with every day. To stoop to that level makes me no different from those who are causing everything I hate and abhor.
(rita, i guess i just can't stay away... mumble... mutter...)
EAKATON, Anger is not a bad way to feel. In fact, it is quite logical, considering the situation we are living within on planet earth now....
rita
Another link between them is modern civilization. Time to dismantle this cancer on the globe.
Sioux Rose
SHEEP: The moon is not a planet, either, but it exerts significant influence on the earth. The most literal example being the tidal fluxes. Many astrologers now use asteroids, some use what's termed "midpoints" between planets, and almost all recognize the karmic significance of two opposing points known as the moon's nodes (or dragon's head and tail).
The American Federation of Astrologers published my book on Pluto. Whether it's a planet or not is mostly semantics. It has a marked influence. I see the planets as ganglia in the body of our solar system. That the planets operate according to reliable orbits, and that a body of evidence has been accumulated over the span of several millennia, provides fascinating data for those with the time and interest to study the sacred "As above, so below" celestial equation. I began this inquiry process back in college, more than 30 years ago. It has never ceased to teach me powerful things, nor has it disappointed the "internal Ferlinghetti" quest for wonder.
Planets as ganglia. I like that very much. It ties in with the human being as microcosm of the entire Universe-of-universes, seen & unseen. It's what enables astral travel. Swedengorg was experienced at this. Also brings in the use of our own personal "stargate" for astral travel; the "third eye". Also ties in with Mother Earth's ganglia/power centers/chakras/accupuncture points; places like sedona/stone henge/ serpent mounds in ohio( it killed my digital camera). I wonder if we could help heal Mother Earth by applying "needles" to Her accupuncture points? Ask in Peru, when you go there? I know the indigenous Elder Nations know these places as sacred (then again, they see all earth as sacred; no different from all other paradises & purgatories in existance, & the universe as a living being. To them, atheism/materialism is blindness pure & simple).
A accupuncturist friend and i just had this discussion two days ago!
Sioux left for peru yesterday.
rita
good to know these ideas are "in the air" & buzzing around. A very good sign I think.
This is why we must become an abolition movement.
ABOLISH THE CORPORATION and ABOLISH WAR, including of course, NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
While we fret over the Gulf, the prospect of nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula remains frighteningly close.
This war could trigger a nuclear escalation between China and the US.
Global warming is a piker compared to a nuclear war.
Evolutionary evidence shows that our ancestors survived severe climate change. Historical evidence from Hiroshima and Nagasaki shows we can't survive a world wide nuclear war.
We need a genuine abolition movement in the US and other nations. Only the abolition of these institutions and weapons will save humanity from total catastrophe.
paharnett, i agree. However i believe we need to also consider something creative and life affirming, along with working toward what we don't want.
Well, yes. But I think peace is life affirming, and the possibility of nuclear war is destructive and death affirming. Sometimes doing something 'negative' is doing something to make the world better. I suggest you look at Barbara Ehrenreich's new book on the delusional nature of 'positive thinking' in our culture, and how it fails us completely. She suggests, as do I, a realistic approach to our problems.
I think historical evidence plainly shows abolition is a possibility in culture.
I know scientific evidence plainly shows extinction of life is a possibility on Earth.
Which do you choose?
Well, yes. But I think peace is life affirming, and the possibility of nuclear war is destructive and death affirming. Sometimes doing something 'negative' is doing something to make the world better. I suggest you look at Barbara Ehrenreich's new book on the delusional nature of 'positive thinking' in our culture, and how it fails us completely. She suggests, as do I, a realistic approach to our problems.
I think historical evidence plainly shows abolition is a possibility in culture.
I know scientific evidence plainly shows extinction of life is a possibility on Earth.
Which approach do you choose? Positive and unrealistic? Or negative and realistic?
I understand, quite well what Erenreich means. I am not advocating wearing a darn ribbon or that kind of thing.
I mean using our wisdom and intelligence to think of alternative ways of living. Like, hey guys, let's stop thinking that wars create peace.
I am being simplistic. But the type of weapon isn't the whole enchalada. It is the belief that we need to kill in order to survive. It is the unsustainable beliefs that need to change.
Everything starts with how the issues are framed. No?
And i also understand that extinctions have happened and that human extinction is quite possible.
I agree. But when you talk about abolishing the corporation, you are really talking about abolishing capitalism. And I agree with readytotransform that we have to have a positive agenda too, not just a negative one. I would argue in favor of some kind of multi-party, democratic socialism based on green values.
That may be the best way to go about it, but it is not the only way it might be attempted. Were the rules of incorporation rewritten radically so that corporations were owned by stakeholders, somewhat after the manner of cooperatives, that might be better.
Of course, something like BP, a coal mining concern, or a power plant, whose stakeholders include anyone downstream or downwind, would have to be very broadly owned.
It seems this "corporation" thing is an attempt to accrue some benefits of public ownership without releasing despotic control.
Bardamu, yes, the limited liability corporation privatizes profits while socializing risk. It is an institution virtually DESIGNED to produce irresponsible, reckless behavior, as we can see with BP in the Gulf now. BP chose not to take safety and environmental risk seriously, and the environment and everyone in it are the losers.
I can see reforming the corporation. But the limited liability corporation as we know it has got to go. It is an accursed institution that maximizes profit while minimizing responsibility. In fact as the law now stands, CEOs and Boards of Directors are REQUIRED, by law, to have profit maximization as their only purpose. Corporations could be accepted, if they are given charters as they used to be, and are monitored to be sure they are serving the public interest. Once the charter runs out it has to be renewed, based on a review of the corporation's actions. And corporate personhood is an abomination that must be ended too. Our Founders would never have accepted that lunacy.
Krieger omits the scenario we now see before us: a nuclear power of questionable sanity.
There are now many references to Israeli "lunacy." Their recent behavior seems both irrational and self-defeating. Objectively, they are more and more isolated in a very dangerous neighborhood, with their military and intelligence superpowers visibly fading. They have just one ace in the hole:
200 nuclear bombs - or more.
We are now told, on good authority, that Turkey extracted its people, and the bodies with their incriminating evidence, by threatening a declaration of war. Turkey is a NATO member with a more powerful military than Israel - including nukes on loan from the US. What if Turkey had actually declared war and blockaded Israel? What if they really send a naval escort with the next flotilla, as they were reported to have threatened? We're looking at a very short route to nuclear war, happening right now.
Actually, an in the know freind wrote me last week that Iran and Turkey are planning just such an action in the very near future. The one in which there are military ships along with flotillas.
It is interesting to note that turkey, being in Nato would need u.s. backing?
So many messages are being sent that i don't think we can all decipher.
I'll decipher this right now:
The MIC and Wall Street want Growth. And right now, in the middle of an non admitted global depression, war is the only sure business. As long as they sell weapon systems, they don't care which side starts it first; just so long as they get their world war.
The Last World War, 70 million people bought the farm. But we have too many people anyway, so the Global Cartel of elite Money grubbers will have no problem with a big body count of poor people.
We are all in a lot of danger if this heats up any further.
TJ