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There will be a protest in Spokane, Washington on Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 5 PM at the corner of Washington and Riverside in front of the American Legion Building where CIA psychologists Mitchell and Jessen have offices. Spokane is the home of psychologists Mitchell and Jessen who, using the U.S. military's SERE survival training program (one of which is located just outside Spokane at Fairchild Air Force Base), reverse engineered those survival techinques to more successfully torture and breakdown human beings in the service of the post-9/11 lie of the empire's global war on terror. Mitchell and Jessen along with several hundred employees and contractors associated with other companies make up a key part of ground zero in the U.S. policy of torture.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/21/cia_sere/
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/07/torture200707?curren...
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/04/levin-torture-int...
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/07/11/050711fa_fact4?currentPage=a...
http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2007/08/27/protest-at-spokane-ci...
http://spokanepoliceabuses.wordpress.com/torture-sere-fairchild-spokane/

They do this stuff in US jails too. Abuse is everywhere, police enjoy it. We are too far gone already. Obama is an Uncle Tom.

The people involved are HOMOCIDAL MANIACS, they enjoy this twisted murderous crap. They run a country of fundamentally homocidal maniacs, there can be no other explanation.

So much for Operation Iraqi Freedom !

Talk is cheap americanos. The rest of the planet is wondering when you are going to get up off your big fat overfed asses and do something about your mass murdering,torturing,criminal government. And there's nothing new about these pics, they've been floating around the net for some time:
http://www.uruknet.info?p=20656
ps I include satan's little helper Canada in the above remarks, which is now fully infected with the same disease.

I would offer one point reguarding the argument that releasing more photos of Abu Ghraib would endanger U.S. troops, presumably by angering the populaces of the countries where these troops are stationed.

This argument is highly condescending, as well as factually without a foundation. The populaces of the Middle East countries where U.S. troops are stationed ALREADY KNOW about the atrocities -- because they are the victims of these crimes.

Dear rloh,

Here is your paraphrase of my remarks:

"Hidden efforts to obscure the truth?"

Here is what I actually wrote to jlocke123:

"I conclude by repeating my main point. . .
because I will not allow it to be hidden by your
efforts to obscure the truth."

In your two responses to my remarks, you have consistently distorted or omitted the facts of the case. Since you appear to be incapable of speaking truthfully, I shall waste no more time on you. The other members of this discussion forum can judge your actions for themselves.

Sincerely,

bsol

Dear rfloh,

Unfortunately, you are being less than candid in your characterization of the recent Pew poll. Here is a direct quotation from that poll, dated 23 April 2009:

"Currently, nearly half say the use of torture
under such circumstances is often (15%) or
sometimes (34%) justified; about the same
proportion believes that the torture of
suspected terrorists is rarely (22%) or never
(25%) justified."

You challenge my statement that "many people who oppose torture. . . are politically moderate." But the only other possibility is that the 47% of the U.S. population who say that torture is never or rarely justified are actually to the left of politically moderate. I dearly wish that this were so, yet realistically I am unable to accept this as fact.

Sincerely,

bsol

"Mr Obama previously committed to allowing thousands of images to be published but changed his mind after senior generals warned that their publication could place US troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan in greater danger."

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These people already hate our guts for what they know we've done to them, and what they *suspect* we've done to them. If they find out that what they suspect is not even as bad as what we've *actually* done to them, they will go f**king berserk.

So, let's not show them, OK ?
We promise not to rape little boys in front of their mothers, and to release the hounds on naked dangling testicles anymore, or waterboard prisoners to death, or smother prisoners to death, or beat prisoners to death, or let them die from hypothermia *anymore*.
And we'll try to tone down the 'gay sex slave in hell' Pulp Fiction stuff, a bit.

Promise.

So let's just keep this quiet...
You know, to Support the Troops.

I suppose it will be unpopular to say this, but I think sharing these photographs around the world only further exploits those who were tortured.

Here we are: curious and gawking at them.

It also makes us complict in the psychological torture of these men, to know that photos of their naked and tormented bodies are being broadcast all over the world.
It is difficult to imagine the double humiliation they must be experiencing now (provided they are still alive).

The third problem is that seeing these pictures (and I am not opposed to the truth coming out) helps to make this practice "normal" and so can't help but desensitize ALL of us to torture.

The situation is beyond horrible, with no good solution but to stop it once and for all (though extremely unlikely for that to happen).

My prediction is that not only will it continue, but that many more will actually embrace the idea.

Look at the accelerated race hatred and threats coming from the right for confirmation of this idea.

ah jeez americathebrave
the world of myth
the world we want to want
wants you to be heroic
brave when it's difficult
not just when everyone's outgunned
brave enough to look squarely in the mirror
(which U should never do on acid)
Obamajestic promisedland o' freedom
step up
return to reason
or build more torture chambers and
pull the hood down

As bad as these pictures may be; only thing worse than these pictures....is not punishing the perpetrators.

To JLocke,

I shall make one more effort to sort out your deceptions and crude insults. Your original message states:

"The only two parties that won seats in your parliament. . . ."

The United States does not have a parliament. So your use of the possessive pronoun "your" could best be construed, grammatically, to mean that you assume that the other author is a citizen of a country which does have a parliament -- e.g., Great Britain, which also is where The Telegraph is based.

Initially I read your first message as inaccurate but well-meaning. I could have interpreted your remarks as deceptive and dishonest, but I chose to reply to my more favorable estimation of your character. I see now that I was mistaken.

I conclude by repeating my main point, which you did not address at all, because I will not allow it to be hidden by your efforts to obscure the truth:

"Finally, of course The Telegraph is going to "call it as it sees it."
Which news organization does not? This is precisely my point --
that The Telegraph's conservative language and ideology ought not
to be accepted and repeated -- and thus given more prominence
and support -- by an organization which claims to be politically
progressive -- such as OCD. I repeat: OCD, please explain your
actions."

I didn't vote for Obama. I took him at his word that he would expand the war in Afghanistan. But I hoped that he would turn out overall better than I expected. He's turning out far worse.

The most chilling part of this is that Obama was involved in this horrible crap. He was a member of these committees. What a blow for the hopes of black people being trashed by a surrogate figure who was nothing but a perp who signed on to torture right in front of their hopeful eyes!!! Ugh!

michael jordan

http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/

I am sickened and appalled when I think about our torturing other human beings. However, I want to see everything that was done to other people in my name as a US citizen.To gloss over what has been done to protect our troops is ridiculous. Is the public so stupid or "sensitive" that they shouldn't know or can't understand what the military does for "their good?" We just shouldn't have gone to Iraq. It does no one any good to ignore what we did. It is so sad. If only all the religions and other non-religious people who know what the "Golden Rule" means would consider that before they acted...

We have no right to call others,-Terrorist, and the Bush Regime have no right to walk Free, and Obama has no right to continue, where Bush left off. When will the madness stop?
How many more will be tortured, and die, in another crazy war?

It is imperative that these things that were done in our name become part of the public record. This is just the sort of thing we need an independent media for. Kudos to them for releasing the photos.
I agree that Obama is spending political capital he doesn't have. His bouyant approval ratings don't mesh with what I'm hearing on the streets and from my friends.
The best face you can put on it is that his naivety and inexperience have played into the hands of some malevolent forces who are manipulating him into thinking that American can have a military victory in the Middle East and frightening him with the spector of being the president who lost a war.
Releasing the photos won't endanger our soldiers as much as it will endanger the enterprise itself. Making the public the atrocities of war will bleed support for the ongoing wars and occupaton.
He doesn't seem to be adept enough or desirous of changing the paradigm; the war was a misbeggoten enterprise based on lies, a war crime by anyone's definition. The people who are the winners are the ones that stop the crime.
Horrendous as torture is, it doesn't compare to crime of aggressive war; destroying the lives of more a million people, ruining their countries and usurping their resources.
It remains to be seen if the American people can make their voices heard and to what extremes they will be forced to go to get the attention of a president and congress who are clearly hell bent on ignoring them.

What is that old saying "The truth will out." Obama has made a serious mistake to think he could suppress the truth about what went on and perhaps still goes on in US clandestine prisons. Obama's credibility is fast eroding. He had a chance to make right the wrongs, but he has chosen to side with BushCo. Sad indeed.

Thanks for the tip on where to find other pix. At this point I can only say, Nazi is as Nazi does. Joe, Adolph and all the others would laugh their heads off.

Any Obama supporters still out there?

Care to defend this?

"Your parliament"??

My family has been in the United States since soon after the Civil War; I have never even been to the U.K.

Although OCD did not say whether it had edited this news report, what there is of it refers solely to U.S. political culture -- where many people who oppose torture are politically moderate. Indeed, Obama's effort to quash the public release of such photographs has met with a popular outcry from a substantial portion of the political spectrum.

Third, since Obama's decision is very recent, it is not possible to ascertain how the U.K. population would vote on his shift in policy.

Finally, of course The Telegraph is going to "call it as it sees it." Which news organization does not? This is precisely my point -- that The Telegraph's conservative language and ideology ought not to be accepted and repeated -- and thus given more prominence and support -- by an organization which claims to be politically progressive -- such as OCD.

I repeat: OCD, please explain your actions.

OCD's behavior continues to lower its level of competence and honesty, in my view. This news story originated with The Telegraph, a fairly conservative publication:

"The president's change of heart brought bitter criticism from the left wingers and the American Civil Liberties Union, which had brought a freedom of information case against the US government applying to see the pictures."

Are we to conclude, then, that anyone who opposes a cover-up of atrocities is a "left-winger"? That, amid the world population, any such person is among a tiny minority?

Either OCD is asleep at the switch, or else it agrees with The Telegraph's ideology. Which is it, OCD?

Jeevee

This has become a fascist country, due to GREED.

Its amazing how happily some greet these pictures.

1) What is one way complicity and group think start?

a) Accepting the assumption that these photos represent the photos Obama blocks from the public. We have no proof of evidence, only allegations from those who are releasing imagery out of Australia.

2) Why would people accept these images as the images that are blocked by Obama?

a) We are led to believe the information is representative of the facts. Still to this day, one of the best examples of the public's willingness to accept a news source use of "alleged" connections formulated in the false implications of Richard Jewell.

b) Because sensationalism and affirmation of our prejudice are desired even here on CD.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing#Richard_Jewell_falsely_implicated

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If we accept anything other than the release of the federal documents and federal photos from Obama and the federal government, then we risk allowing ourselves to accept a false document as the alleged document. How do we know these images are not a red herring? How do we know this is not a crafted plan? We do not because we can not validate and replicate. The only way for this to occur is with transparency from Obama who is stonewalling you and me, the public.

Today is Friday, and if one thing I learned from Bush, cover ups and sweeps and propaganda are best release on Friday because the news cycle doesn't have enough time to ferret out the facts in time to combat the spin and/or sensationalism.

Once again it appears we are being duped by the tabloid journalism that has become SO prevalent even in the more mainstream media, for to pass these photos off as "newly released" seems to be nothing less than a bold faced lie.

For example, the photo accompanying this article was published as part of a 10 picture series on the Wired.com website on February 28, 2008 -- well over a year ago, and I have some of the same images saved on my computer dating back to May 4, 2004 -- over 5 years ago.

It should be noted that the article in the Daily Mail passing these images off as newly released has already been pulled. Hopefully the Telegraph will follow suit.

However, if anyone is interested, the original 2008 Wired.com uncensored photos may still be viewed at:

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/
multimedia/2008/02/gallery_abu_ghraib

Now I agree that these images are not just disturbing, but outrageous, and I personally believe the conduct displayed DEMANDS criminal prosecution TO THE TOP OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, yet one simply cannot ignore why these photos are being re-released now under the guise of being new. Is this just more of a media frenzy that feeds on whomever is in office?

And NO -- I did not vote for Obama! I voted as I have for the past 40 years -- for the person who most closely reflects my beliefs.

In Peace

In 1973 my kid brother and I walked around behind a brick courthouse in Deer Lodge, Montana and came upon six large deputies kicking the shit out of a prone, handcuffed man in a doorway. This went on for some time until one of them noticed us. They stopped and looked at us. "Can we help you?" one said. We quietly left.

This kind of thing, occasionally caught on somebody's candid camera, is absolutely common in every jailhouse in America, and probably even worse elsewhere in the world. Everybody knows it. Most people have glimpsed it. Prisons and battle zones were invented to give human nastiness a place to vent. To whom do we report it? If some federal judge ordered us to bring it all to light and fix it, where would we begin? Where would it end? I can understand Obama wanting to leave the bodies under the rug. Under a thin veneer of military jargon and the pretense of legality and correctness lies a dark void, vaster and more ugly than the administration or the American people will want to deal with. Whoever put into our children the wish to hurt and kill people, that's your culprit. And the crime occurred many thousands of years ago.

As I posted earlier, by promising to release the pictures and then banning them, Obama's in fact giving the material greater prominence, which is ultimately his prime objective. This release by the Australians might have been orchestrated by the White House itself.

To inflame anti-American sentiment has always been mission number one of the Obama/Cheney White House and all administrations preceding it. America's mission has always been to throw as much gasoline in the fire as possible, so to justify and intensify the endless wars of terror against these infuriated, unfairly provoked civilians. Israel does the exact loathsome thing to Palestinians.

As if releasing these pictures could possibly increase anti-American sentiment any further anyway. Bush was right: the mission was accomplished a long time ago.

The facilty where I work has roughly 50% exmilitary, with a variety of "specialties". Since torture as a component of what our armed forces "do" in Iraq and Afghanistan has become public knowledge, many lips have loosened regarding the extent and TIMETABLE of the despicable practice.

Straight to my point- it's been going on for a LONG time; certainly at least back to Viet Nam. The federal government of the United States of America needs to be dismantled, post-haste.

On the right-wing and even centrist (like Yahoo.com) web sites I've visited, most people think these pictures show that the torture "wasn't that bad." Like this guy in the photo above was compared to doing yoga. Posters compare these pics with "the real evil" the "terrorists" do to "us."

I think the release of these pictures may be an elaborate show to cover-up the much more violent torture that goes on, including torture unto death.

It's already common knowledge around the world that the US tortures its prisoners.

The entire world knows the US is sick and depraved. Dogs and broomsticks were not used for confessions - they were used for the enjoyment of guards EMPLOYED and DIRECTED by US Officials.

There was a series of pictures showing the wounded of Falujah. Women with their faces destroyed (yet still alive) pictures of kids with missing limbs, burned civilians, kids playing in the sewage where there used to be a water system.
Where have these pictures gone ...where are the new pictures showing the horrors inflicted on the innocent -

There are hundreds of Bush officials and generals who should be held accountable in the world court.Instead they are given speaking engagements and honorariums and large sums of money for their revisionist biographies.

Obama should not fear pictures from GITMO. He should fear the pictures that show what we have done as heartless and callous imperialists

Wounded Afghan kids should be juxtaposed against Cheney feeding his grotesquely fat face.

Where are the pictures from the refugee camps that house millions of unfortunate Iraqis, Afghans and now Pakistanis.

The Iraqi war is far worse than Darfur

Obama must apologize to the world and begin by exposing the truth of what we have done as a sick and depraved nation

Screw you Barack Obama. Hopefully the USA will go behind your back on other issues as well.

Don't you all remember, it's not torture if the President says its 'ok'.

Once again we are told these sadistic acts are done by a few bad apples. These men or women who did this must have been taught to hate the victims they torture. Recently a soldier who had a comment posted called the people he was sent to fight rag heads ,They are dehumanized. The Islamic Law prohibits anyone from seeing the body of a Muslim except the Muslims spouse.This is torture that goes beyond the physical,and mental to the spiritual.

End the wars, the hate and torture and work for reconciliation, justice and peace please, President Obama.

What causes a person to vote for the same party over and over again, and then Complain when that Political Party does not deliver on their promises?

I heard of an interesting experiment done by researchers where a Human was stacked up against a bird and a rat in a game.

The "game" was to hit a button corresponding to a red light that would appear on a screen. If they hit the correct button they would receive a reward. If they hit the wrong one, they could not press another.

The Bird and the Rat blew the human away. This was not because of faster reaction times. They blew the human away because they waited for the red light to "show its colors" before making their choice.

They found the human would press a button BEFORE the light appeared on the screen in the anticipation the correct one would be pressed.

Further studies showed that dopamine levels in the human test case were elevated BEFORE the button pressed rather then after the button pressed and reward won.

The human would make a choice BEFORE the light appeared in the HOPE they had selected the correct one and this anticipation was more rewarding in the way of dopamines then the reward itself.

In other words, if you truly want an INFORMED electorate who will cast a vote based upon a sober assessment of the reality of what best for them.

You would be better off were birds or rats to vote and humans left out of the equation.

"...The images emerged from Australia yesterday where they were originally obtained by the channel SBS in 2006 in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal..."

- This is odd. It means SBS has been sitting on the pictures for 3 years, & has only decided to release them now -- right in the thick of the dispute over the photos in Washington?

I wonder what made SBS do this now, as opposed to earlier?

"It is true that these photos would be disturbing. The day we are no longer disturbed by such repugnant acts would be a sad one," said Anthony Romero, executive director.

That would make this a sad day for Obama.

RedTide May 15th, 2009 11:21 am..................."Shame on us all? I object! Do you blame all Germans for thr Nazi madness? This current mess the responsibility of the Republican and Democratic parties, which are the tools of imperialism. It is people who support those parties that are guilty of mass murder and torture."

You contradict yourself right in this paragraph.

I do not know if Communism or Socialism is the answer. At this point, I have come to trust NO form of leadership, since it constantly seems to be corrupted with the desire for power and wealth.

Further, I do not know what responsibility looks like in the case of the genocide we have committed, but an apology and some reparations would be a first step.

I admit to not having the answers....since you seem to, go ahead and start to initiate your program. I wish you the best of luck and fortune.