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Obama Signs Order to Close Guantanamo
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama began overhauling U.S. treatment of terror suspects Thursday, signing orders to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center, review military trials of suspects and ban the harshest interrogation methods.
With three executive orders and a presidential directive signed in the Oval Office, Obama started reshaping how the United States prosecutes and questions al-Qaida, Taliban or other foreign fighters who pose a threat to Americans.
The centerpiece order would close the much-maligned U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, a complicated process with many unanswered questions that was nonetheless a key campaign promise of Obama's. The administration already has suspended trials for terrorist suspects at Guantanamo for 120 days pending a review of the military tribunals.
"We intend to win this fight. We're going to win it on our terms," Obama said of the war on terrorism. But he also said he didn't want to have to make a "false choice" between successfully waging war against terrorist organizations and hewing to U.S. human rights ideals in the process.
"This is following through not just on a commitment I made during the campaign but an understanding that dates back to our Founding Fathers, that we are willing to observe core standards of conduct - not just when it's easy but also when it's hard," the president said.
"We will be setting up a process" to figure out the logistics of closing down Guantanamo, Obama told reporters gathered in the Oval Office of the White House.
In other actions, Obama:
- Created a task force that would have 30 days to recommend policies on handling terror suspects who are detained in the future. Specifically, the group would look at where those detainees should be housed since Guantanamo is closing.
- Required all U.S. personnel to follow the U.S. Army Field Manual while interrogating detainees. The manual explicitly prohibits threats, coercion, physical abuse and waterboarding, a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed a form of torture by critics. However, a Capitol Hill aide says that the administration also is planning a study of more aggressive interrogation methods that could be added to the Army manual - which would create a significant loophole to Obama's action Thursday.
- Directed the Justice Department to review the case of Qatar native Ali al-Marri, who is the only enemy combatant currently being held on U.S. soil. The review will look at whether al-Marri has the right to sue the government for his freedom, a right the Supreme Court already has given to Guantanamo detainees. The directive will ask the high court for a stay in al-Marri's appeals case while the review is ongoing. The government says al-Marri is an al-Qaida sleeper agent.
An estimated 245 men are being held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, most of whom have been detained for years without being charged with a crime. Among the sticky issues the Obama administration has to resolve are where to put those detainees - whether back in their home countries or at other federal detention centers - and how to prosecute some of them for war crimes.
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Show AllWell, good for the President. But it will take a whole year. It takes a year because they have no intention of releasing them; first we must build new prisons (at tremendous cost) to house them elsewhere and then some sort of gray area trial system that I predict will not live up to the treaty obligations we have agreed to for treatment of prisoners.
Yes, it is a good start, but we need to watch this one carefully because our civil liberties hang in the balance--the President can designate anyone in the world as an enemy combatant and subject that person (read: you) to whatever treatment he feels necessary under his powers as "commander in chief". Obama's favorite president, Lincoln, was the first great trasher of civil liberties, though most presidents have trashed them to lesser extents.
Here's the CIA's 1963 torture manual if you wanna know how the Guantanamo residents spend their days: http://judgegeorgegreer.com/kubark.html
Great post, and I couldn't agree more.
But it was good day, no?
Okay, first he suspends the military tribunals, now he has signed an order to close the Gitmo concentration camp and suspend all proposed Bush adminstration administrative ru;le changes pending executive review.. If he keeps going at this rate, he just might give us (the US--get it?) our country back within the next four years. Keep at it Barack, don't stop now.
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.Amen, so far so good!
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Anais Nin
So, I'm waiting to see if any Progs get pissed that, while the detention center is closing, the Naval Base is still remaining in US hands.
One step at a time, first of all let's try to resume diplomatic rtealtions with Cuba, from there many more things are more likely to be possible. One step at a time.
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Absolutely! WE need to make an attempt to normalize relations with Cuba first, then all other nations. Also, we need to keep our hands out of other countries business, unless we are prepared to act on another country's suggestions towards our internal business, such as #1 CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, us being one of the few "civilized" democracies that still rely on it to feed the bloodlust of those who support it. WE, at this stage of our development, have no moral highground from which to preach to anyone!
Hey, I have an idea for an Executive Order. Let's follow Obama's advice and put science back in its place with the new administration, starting with a good old empirical experiment. Let's round up all the Senators, Congressmen, aides, and reporters who have touted "enhanced methods" over the last few years. Then someone tap the CIA's best "waterboarder"; someone knows who that is, I guarantee it. Then let's line them up and waterboard them, one by one. I'd like to hear an unedited tape of the post-"interrogation" interview. I want to hear them, dripping wet, shaking, before they've even been handed a towel, talk about their "enhanced" experience and endorse it again. If anyone's not sure, he or she can go back to the back of the line. Plenty more waterboarding to go around! Then, finally, when they've either honestly changed their minds or they're just telling the torturer whatever he wants to hear (Bonus: by their own arguments, this is reliable testimony!), we can finally move on to being a country seriously committed to human rights, and spineless AP journalists can stop using phrases like "a technique that creates the sensation of drowning and has been termed a form of torture by critics".
We could have Katie Couric or Baba Wawa hector them with penetrating questions like (as they watched a video tape instant-replay together) "How did that feel?", or "What wer ylou thinking as the pitcher fully soaked the towell so that you were breathing water up your nose on that slant boasrd?" of "If OO were a twee, what sort of a twee would oo be?"
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Better tata, Obamas Intelligence guy had a mukasey during questioning today, "Oh , Ohm, well, O am, um, Not sure if waterboarding is TORTURE!@!! Obama Will help GAZA but Likudniks FIRST!!!, Oh that GITMO thing already taken care of last year, holds a minimum of 10,000, up Guantanamo's coast a bit. Oh my he will be diplomatic, but we will blah de blah bullshit! Guantanamo, yeah?
Go to eff.org, ccrjustice.org and bordc.org, lovefests@!
I like... '"We intend to win this fight. We're going to win it on our terms," Obama said of the war on terrorism.'
The more the USA drops this "War on eveything" that is bad mind set, the sooner we will have a better World.
It is a good start. The "Good Fight" is not a war and that is why we can win.
I almost fell off of the Obama honeymoon wagon from reading all the posts on CD and RAWSTORY. I am now in recovery, and once again am trudging the road to happy optimism. So far the new President has only fullfilled his promises. I hope no one is expecting the wave of a magic wand and all be well in the world. I just read how Hamas is executing members of Fatah for conspiracy; shooting them in the legs and blinding them before questioning. The Palestinians are fucked from the inside and out; kind of like we have been for the last 8 years. I, for one am going to appreciate, and be grateful for the change we have, so far. I can always be refunded the misery I've had from the last 8.
johntwodogs
read the article on this site about how offshore drilling is being allowed to happen in response your comment about Obama fullfilling his promises.
Please post what media site you got your information on Hamas executing members of Fatah from? And, if members of my family had been murdered by the israeli terrorists I guarantee I wouldn't be giving them a goddamn backrub. how does that comment even remotely relate to the article?
I guarantee within months (days) you'll be posting about how you've fallen off the honeymoon wagon.
OMFG!
Could it be that after 8 (30?) years of depressing news from the White House that this is THE 2nd DAY IN A ROW of righteous good news?
I just pinched myself, I think I really am awake...
GOBAMA!
GOBAMA!
.It is certainly not the time to stop watching and demanding, but it is a time of increasing promise. I regret that it will take a year to close this place, and the other and more secret prisons as well apparently, and I further regret that the prisoners ( not a one of whom has had a trial as yet), some of which are certainly innocent of anything, will be shifted to a domestic prison as this will further delay justice. But they will be more readily represented by council and have access, finally, to justice I presume.
President Obama's order to cease torture was another bright spot in a rather rainly day here.....
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Thankful news -- but wish it was immediate.
How many prisoners did we have originally -- 80,000 or more???
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
So when does Gitmo actually get shut down? Nothing in this article specifies that and merely suspending trials doesn't seem to reassure me anymore.
Other more careful articles have revealed that the timetable is:
"As soon as possible but no more than one year from now."
There is a humanitarian question to be dealt with here. Do we send these people back to a home country that is likely to execute them without a fair trial? I say we should not, but then we would need to identify a country willing to take them as an asylum seeker.
That takes time.
And I'm sure Obama is going to actually attempt to get convictions in a standard US court of law. A noble idea, but given the taint all the prosecutions evidence will have...that it was extracted by torture...not clear you will get a conviction.
In the mean time there is no possible good reason to keep them in a prison. There should be an immediate and humane interim plan until the bureaucrats get their ducks in order. It is not the detainees’ fault that this was a sloppily and illegally instituted crime committed against them. Someone who is kidnapped from an abusive home would not be required to stay with his or her kidnapper until a safe and permanent place was located.
He said at least a year of looking at the logistics.
Apparently sending illegally held political prisoners home, locking up the place and giving the key to Cuba is too simple.
I bet it will not be closed and given back to Cuba.
It's a start.
GOBAMA!!!
Apparently Obama stopped torture but has allowed rendition to continue. This is like exporting American torture to another country then claiming the high moral ground. This is hypocrisy!
Torture should be stopped worldwide, not exported elsewhere as if it were a commodity!
Torture is a clear sign that we humans are little better than savages.
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This is only partly true.
He has ordered a 'review' of the practice of rendition.
Obama doesn't strike me as an idiot or willing to accept specious arguments. Given his speed on GITMO I'm much more confident now than I was 2 weeks ago that he will do something pretty sensible regarding rendition too.
Physicscitizen, why would an American man of principle only order a review of rendition and the torture associated with it while at the same time banning torture by Americans? You can't have your cake and eat it too!
Methinks I smell a rat.
Why even have the review then?
It's 48 hours.
I'm willing to give him some time before being so quick to judge.
I doubt ANY other potential candidate with the possible exception of Kucinich would have moved as fast as Obama has. Think of the alternatives we had!
The "Bill of Rights" of our Constitution is somewhat of a misnomer. It has relatively little to do with rights. It is a document that tells all levels of American government what they cannot do to any person anywhere in the world and that includes Guantanamo and the prison at Baghram airport in Afghanistan. It is a Bill of No-No's for anyone from a local police officer to the President of the United States. Where does the text say "only in America" and where does it say "only US citizens"? The BoR protects every person anywhere in the world from American governmental abuse. It is only when that will be correctly understood and the BoR is restored to its true "Bill of No-No" status that abominations like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo cannot easily happen again. Above all the gutted fourth amendment must be restored in all of its original power. If only Guantanamo is closed but nothing is done about the illegal wiretapping revealed last night on Olberman's program, the losing of Guantanamo will be a rather empty gesture.
If these folks are repatriated to a safe environnment after "trial" maybe we can close this chapter of American hypocracy.Now, how about the hundreds of other bases and prisons around the planet.Just think of the carbon boot print for the U.S. military!I would bet it exceeds some of the industrial nations.The Karmic footprint incalculable. peace j.a.h. (no not a Rastafarian Johnathan Aluishious Hempseed)
It's a powerful symbolic message - but to really endorse a change to "due process" and international legality, just as closing one dodgy nuclear power station wouldn't signal an end to nuclear energy, they need to shut down all the secret US bases that hold detainees not subject to the same rights under constitution as anyone under US law and not just GITMO. But yes - an encouraging signal of intent
Open Letter to President Obama re the closing of Guantanamo & prosecuting the crimes of the Bush Administration
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Dear President Obama:
Thank U for listening to the people of America -- & the world -- & closing Guantanamo. The people love U when U "Do The Right Thing."
The next good thing would be to finish investigating & begin prosecuting those responsible for its construction -- and for the illegal suspending of Habeas Corpus and the torture that took place there. It will be necessary for your administration to do this since the previous Congress, acting under the influence of politics instead of principle, failed to hold Impeachment hearings for former president Bush & former Vice President Cheney on this or any of their other High Crimes, Misdemeanors & War Crimes, detailed in Congressman Dennis Kucinich's 39 Articles of Impeachment against them. ( http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf ,
http://kucinich.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?documentid=93581 )
Since Bush & Cheney's confessions to authorizing waterboarding/torture -- a war crime & clear violation of the Geneva Conventions -- the top question under "Additional Issues" on your website, www.Change.gov has become: "Will you appoint a Special Prosecutor - ideally Patrick Fitzgerald - to independently investigate the gravest crimes of the Bush Administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping?" (Bob Fertik, New York City). The American people want to know.
We The People are certainly looking forward to moving on! -- but we will not know where we must go until we fully see where we have been. The most intelligent & ethical among us (from The War Resisters League to Code Pink & United for Peace & Justice; from Gandhi & Martin Luther King to Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, & Ralph Nader; from Langston Hughes, Nina Simone, & Harold Pinter to Michael Moore, Joan Baez, Ani DiFranco, & Cindy Sheehan) know that we can never move on & will never again be free or secure until (1) the whole truth about the crimes that have been committed comes out, (2) justice is brought to those who committed them, & (3) the highest laws of our land, as expressed in The Constitution of The United States of America, & the highest laws of our world, as expressed in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, are upheld.
Godspeed --
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So whats the time table on his review of all Bush Executive Orders. On the surface, Gitmo is a symbolic gesture only. It can be worked around with rendition.
It's interesting though, Americans used water boarding against Philippine insurgents over 100 years ago when we occupied the Philippines and crushed the independence movement. They were our allies in the war against the Spanish but turned against us once they found out we wanted the Philippines for ourselves.
We really have not changed that much.
Excellent question. The implication is that the USA should build hospitals, etc, to serve humanity. Conventional wisdom says this is probably better than doing nothing. But perhaps doing nothing should be considered very seriously at this point. When the USA builds a hospital in a foreign country for example that hospital is more than just a hospital - it provides political cover for the imperial advance of the "American Way", in practically all sectors.
But the "American Way" is so fundamentally problematic it is probably better for the USA to bow out of all foreign interactions until it can reform itself. Conventional wisdom long held that the USA is such a powerful nation that it has global obligations. But now we understand that its power is derived as it were from fossil fuel gluttony and enslavement of its people, so the spread of its influence is most certainly a liability until it reforms itself, "big time". Let the USA withdrawal to learn its lessons. Meanwhile, Cuba is doing a fantastic job of training doctors worldwide. Cuba has the world's best value medical program, by far.
Hey, this is good. Gotta throw a kudo. Small steps...
GOOOOOOBAMA!!!
The entire base has to be closed and given back to Cuba. Such an imperial outpost is completely unacceptable to the people of this planet. This moral standard cannot be dislodged. Tolerance for Gitmo among US citizens is itself a crime against humanity.
This I agree with, but not until we get remove the people we are wrongly holding there.
Why is all of this going to take so damn much time? What about "getting things done"?
A year? Does anyone have a clue why it would take this long or why Gitmo couldn't be closed in a week or two? It might take a year to figure out logistics? That's absurd.
Yes, we have to look closely at rendition.
come on people! This is dammed obvious!
What do we do with these people? You cannot close Gitmo and then ignore the fact that these people have to go somewhere.
The obvious reaction is to "send them back". And what happens to YOUR conscience when 20% of them are tortured and killed in the place they go 'home' to??? Should we be sending people 'back' to certain death?
I think we should NOT be sending people back to certain death.
Next choice: Set them free within the USA....oh boy, you want a fast road to conservatives grabbing their rifles and going out to hunt them all down you've just come up with it! Again, we are going to get them killed.
So you keep them locked up??? isn't that the problem???
No, you have to find a place for them to go where there is some hope that they will be treated fairly. Either tried or given asylum or set free but not harassed.
Most of them probably can be just sent back.
I predict this is what will happen. The population of Gitmo will drop very fast in the first few months. But that's not EVERYONE. Remember, this is a mess, a legal and moral mess.
Use your heads a bit more.
Some kind of process HAS to occur to find out who can be tried in an independent American court, who can be returned home safely, and then the real problem....what to do with those that cannot go home and cannot survive among the mean well-armed American populace....
We can argue whether that process really takes a full year or can take a month, but just opening the gates and turning them all loose is only going to put blood on the hands of anyone who thought that was a good idea.
This whole discussion is making me realize just how foolishly bloodthirsty you guys can be!
As a "Constitutional lawyer," Obama no doubt understands that under U.S. habeas corpus law, you may not "hold the body" (in custody) without charge. He further knows that the Rehnquist Supreme Court has interpreted habeas corpus to mean you can be held for two days without charge (because that's how long it takes to do the jail paperwork and complete an arraignment before a judge).
So, these guys imprisoned in Guantanamo have been held for six years without charge.
Six years vs. two days. It is illegal to hold them any further! And the whole "enemy combatant" thing is just made-up ad hoc Bush law. It's bullshit.
Some folks in the comments here are saying that there's no immediate shutdown of Guantanamo, but that's it's going to take another year. So I guess they could be held seven years without charge, a further injustice.
It seems like Obama is making progress, but things have been so abnormal under Bush that even half-assed measures like this one seem like a brilliant stroke.
I guess the conclusion we have to accept from this one-year delay is that habeas corpus really is suspended in the United States. Guantanamo is leased land, but certainly U.S. laws apply on a U.S. military base.
I know everyone wants to break out the party favors, but I think a year's length of time is just another year of U.S. lawlessness. About the only reasonable delay I can see at this point is coordination with the home country for the prisoners' returns.
Many of those people held in Guantanamo were sold into prison by the Northern Alliance. They may have fought on the side of the Taliban, warding off an invading army, but does anyone really think they're terrorists that instigated 9-11? Were they found with boxcutters, passports and American Airlines tickets - in Afghanistan?
Tell Obama that justice delayed is justice denied. Close Guantanamo in a week or two max.
-TIA
But he also said he didn't want to have to make a "false choice" between successfully waging war against terrorist organizations and hewing to U.S. human rights ideals in the process.
WTF does that mean?
-typical waffling...anti-war but for escalating the fighting in Afghanistan...against the Republicans but for bipartisanship...for Wall Street and Main Street...for human rights but silent on Israeli war crimes...against nuclear power but need it in the energy mix...against Hillary's war vote but for putting her at the State...against offshore drilling but for it too...all things to all people.
What is the Democrat's rationale for continuing the war now? Hey isn't Bush gone? Oh yeah, never mind, someone forgot to tell Obama to get rid of George W. Bush's War Secretary. Oh yeah, that's right, Obama needs to consult with George W. Bush's War Generals....oh yeah, that's right the Iraqis need us.....Oh yeah, that's right.....Bin laden is hiding in a cave in Afghanistan....oh yeah.....that's right.......oh yeah.......oh yeah,.... that's right, it takes 16 months......oh yeah,........oh.......yeah.........that's.........right!
"What is the Democrats rationale for continuing the war now?"
911.
Catch Bin Laden.
Do you disagree?
I hope and pray that Barrack Obama is going to do what is best for the people of the United States, and I hope that he has a successful term in office. Having said that, I do not think this is what will happen. I say this because he is bought and payed for by the same people, corporations, and banks that have backed our presidents for decades. It is also not shocking to see Obama fill his cabinet with a bunch of Washington insiders, Council on Foreign Relations members, and keeping some Bush cronies even. If bank bailouts (banks stealing taxpayer money), continued wars of imperialism, further decline in standard of living, and further erosion of civil liberties, the Constitution, and freedom in general are what you want, then continue to let banks and corporations put their people in control of the government. Thomas Jefferson warned that "banking institutions are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." When we, as a nation pull our heads out of the sand (where most have been firmly planted since 9/11) and decide to stop supporting the false left vs. right paradigm in which both sides support the same private interests over the good of their constituents (you and me), maybe, just maybe we can save this country and put it back on the course that our forefathers set us on in 1776. If you truly want to help bring this country back to the rule of law and the Constitution, check out www.campaignforliberty.com and at least see what Dr. Ron Paul has to say. You might have heard of him, he ran for President as a Republican in the '08 election and as a Libertarian in 1988. He is also a Congressman from Texas. I think that most of you will agree with alot of his libertarian philosophies, because they are simply the philosophy of liberty, freedom, and the Constitution. If you still want to stick your head back in the sand and just go with the status quo, so be it, and god help you.
Bull****. On the front page of the NYT's right now a headline declares a released Saudi Gitmo detainee has re-emerged as the deputy leader of al-Queda in Yemen.
This feels like fakery. That or fantastic coincidence that just as BHO seeks to close the hell-hole of Gitmo, a real live former Guest pops up as a Re-Dedicated Terrorist....suu-rrre
Gimme a break. The neocon manipulating scum in the shadows, with ties abroad,will seek to derail BHO. I predict a "Terrorist Attack" on his watch at some critical moment by Wicked, Evil Arabs.....
Ya think about it, the only Democracy in the ME, that is our only HOPE. Oh, they fight FOR us, I read William Kristol, I can trust him.