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TechnoratiUS Senate Supports Israel's Gaza Incursion
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Senate voiced strong support on
Thursday for Israel's battle against Hamas militants in Gaza, while
urging a ceasefire that would prevent Hamas from launching any more
rockets into Israel.
The chamber agreed on a voice vote to the
non-binding resolution co-sponsored by Democratic and Republican party
leaders in the chamber.
"When we pass this resolution, the
United States Senate will strengthen our historic bond with the state
of Israel, by reaffirming Israel's inalienable right to defend against
attacks from Gaza, as well as our support for the Israeli-Palestinian
peace process," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat,
said before the vote.
Noting that Israel was bent on halting
Hamas rocket fire into its southern towns, Reid said: "I ask any of my
colleagues to imagine that happening here in the United States. Rockets
and mortars coming from Toronto in Canada, into Buffalo New York. How
would we as a country react?"
Co-sponsor and Senate Minority
Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican said before the vote:
"The Israelis ... are responding exactly the same way we would."
The House was expected to pass a similar resolution.
The Senate resolution encourages President George W. Bush "to work
actively to support a durable, enforceable and sustainable ceasefire in
Gaza as soon as possible that prevents Hamas from retaining or
rebuilding the capability to launch rockets or mortars against Israel,"
Reid said.
It also expresses an "unwavering" commitment to
Israel's welfare and recognizes its right to act in self defense to
protect citizens against acts of terrorism, he said. "It allows for the
long-term improvement of daily living conditions of the ordinary people
of Gaza," he said.
Palestinians faced even grimmer conditions
in Gaza on Thursday after a U.N. aid agency halted work, saying its
staff was at risk from Israeli forces after two drivers were killed.
The reported Palestinian death toll in the 13-day-old conflict topped
700. At least 11 Israelis have been killed, eight of them soldiers,
including four hit by "friendly fire."
Reporting by Susan Cornwell, editing by Philip Barbara
334 Comments so far
Show AllI never thought I would say this but maybe the senate is doing the right thing for a change. Change is what obama promised and maybe we're getting it.
Supporting israel is a change?!
Yeah, I was similarly perplexed.
Meet the new change, same as the old change.
Nicely put winning ticket!!
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1963 & 1968- Dallas and Los Angeles Coup d'État by the US Military Industrial Junta completed according to modern examination of old evidence
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein. (Ed note: WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, DENSE METAL SUPER WEAPONS, NUCLEAR STICK UP, MISSILE DEFENSE, AND PROPAGANDA!!!!!)
266 replies so far. I couldn't read them all, but I would guess the vast majority is against this Senate resolution. Who do politicians listen to?
Is anyone actually surprised that the pseudo-opposition "Democratic" Senate just gave its full support to this genocide? I am not.
BTW, join a real opposition party: http://www.gp.org/
Sorry, I don't have anything to say that isn't said above about the murderous invasion of Gaza. But I want/need to say something. The UN world knew what would happen when, back in 1948, they voted to grant the Israeli terrorists a piece of land inhabited by Palestinians because the Nazi terrorists had murderd more than six million Jews. I was a teenager then, and saw the UN session on TV at Rockefeller Center. When I realized what had happened I felt something in my stomach, a dark foreboding, I can't easily describe it; it was something like I felt while sitting on tree limb in boy scout camp when the A-Bomb was dropped. Somehow, I knew this moment marked the beginning of a war between the two peoples that would spread in some horrific way around the earth. In other words, in spite of my use of the word, "terrorists," I am not blaming any side now, except to say that the Israeli leaders seem to think like Bush, that a bomb is more persuasive than a talk.
topaz
exactly what i think..thank you for putting it into words...maybe Obama will open the possibility of dialogue...this has to end...such a waste..
sebouhian:I'm a decade younger. You were a smart kid. Still smart. Thanks for the comment. Thoughtful, peaceful.
Hey, Senator Reid, how about we quarantine you and all your pathetic colleagues in Washington, rid you of your food and supplies, and enforce a blockade that tightly restricts you from receiving additional food and supplies. Then, were going to kick you out of your offices and start building settlements in the capitol area -- let you fend for the less desirable spots in D.C.. And then I'm gonna use my billion dollar military to rain bombs on you because you got a little pissed off, sent a few measly missiles my way, for the mere reason that you've been treated as if you were in the Warsaw Ghetto for what seems like eons. Clearly, you guys are either utterly pathetic, delusional, or sociopathic. Probably all of the above. I am truly embarrassed to be a U.S. citizen, and I won't be voting for any of you ever again. You disgust me.
Agreed! And did you hear him (Harry Reid) saying that Ted Stevens should NOT have to go to jail 'cuz he's a WWII vet? Think Reid speaks out on behalf of ALL vets who have been found guilty on SEVEN felony counts?
What an asshole! And WHY do Nevadans keep re-electing him and San Franciscans keep re-electing Pelosi? Especially when they had a chance to replace her with Cindy Sheehan?!
"no gods, no masters" --m. sanger
Does anyone here know how many members of CONgress are dual citizens with Israel?..or how to find out ?
Wow, this site is incredible.
http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
wow, rad website, thanks.
Don't know how many hold duel citizenship but there are now 46 jewish members of congress. Today and yesterday I saw where Rep. Brad Sherman of CA spoke for an hour on the floor bashing Palestinians and Hamas, praising Israel and wanting to attack Iran. I guess he and his buddy Berman (I know, Sherman and Berman sounds like a law firm, which maybe it was or is) brought forth a bill stating the above. It is unbelievable. I am not anti-semetic but I am getting pretty anti-letting-jewish-members-of-our-country- and anti-Israeli-gov't-wanting-to-attack-Iran lately. I only hope that Obama doesn't get sucked into this but it looks like he is. No one can get to the position he's in without fully supporting Israel. I forget but I think Israel has something like well over 100 UN Resolutions that it ignored, forget about their zero number of nukes. We should go to Sherman's and Berman's websites and tell them what we think - about not starting to bomb Iran, etc.
One can not expect anything better from the fecklees house. We already know that they are a bunch of good-for-nothing, always siding with any atrocity Israel commits.
Will Obama be any better?
I am revulsed by this unanimous support of the most anti-semitic bunch of thugs since the nazis. Yes, anti-semitic. Who are the semitic people ?? The Arabs ! Who is feeling such guilt about the holocaust that they feel they have to support traumatised Israel while they act out their trip ? Our Senate !?! I searched the 210 messages posted and I'll post what I didn't find : a link to a list of all the e-mails of each U.S. Senator. Then, after a wonderful dinner, (its evening here in France), I'm going to write to them all !!!
http://www.saferplane.com/list3test.htm
"gracefulswan" - thank you for confronting us with the real face of this brutal massacre:
http://portail.islamboutique.fr/gaza2008/
So, this is what "self-defense" looks like when Israel is concerned...
I could not hold back the tears - even before seeing these horrible pictures - because I have been reading THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.
THIS IS A MUST-READ- please buy the book:it proves that all the PR-soundbites we have been fed (Israel wants peace, Israel kills only in self-defense, etc.) IS ONE BIG LIE and has been one for over 60 years. The book clearly shows that the dispossession and expulsion (including countless acts of terror and horrible massacres) of almost a million people was planned even before the state of Israel came into being and has its roots in the racist and supremacist ideology of Zionism.
While the Palestinians were trying to maintain calm in the country, after the UN partition plan was adopted, the Hagana did all it could to escalate the situation... (a similiar pattern (sabotaging a ceasefire or unity among the Palestinian leadership would go on until this day...)
The "High Command of the Hagana (Hebrew: "defense"(!) decided that the "retaliation" scheme did not work (the Palestinans did not riot, they just wanted to live peacefully their nationalist leaders had been expelled or killed by the Brits) and that "aggressive defense" (pure Orwell) was needed to "encourage" them to leave their land: this was achieved by ransacking whole villages and massacring a large number of its inhabitants...
Here ist just one chilling example: On Nov. 30, 1947 75,000 Palestinians in the town of Haifa were subjected to a campaign of terror by Jewish militias (IRGUN and HAGANA):
"Jewish troops rolled barrels full of explosives, and huge steel balls, down into the Arab residential areas (the Jewish settlers lived higher up in the hills)and poured oil mixed with fuel down the roads, which they then ignited. The moment panic-stricken residents came running out of their homes, trying to extinguish these rivers of fire, they were sprayed by machine-gun fire." But it gets worse...
Another important figure in the Jewish "consultations" at the time was Yossef Weitz, who wrote in his diary: "Is not now the time to get rid of them?" (remember - these are the same people who received huge international compassion for the Holocaust...) and after some deliberations the military leadership came to the conclusion, that the ethnic cleansing of Palestinans was a "necessity"... but they called it "transfer".....
In the village of Lifta (Pop. 2,500, near Jerusalem) the "new approach" (ruthless terrorism) was executed on Dec. 28,1947: "Armed with machine guns, the Jews sprayed the coffee house, while members of the Stern gang stopped a bus and began firing into it randomly..." The list goes on and on....
Here is the perfect contrast - hypocrisy and cunning knows no bounds when Israel is concerned:
http://www.jcrcboston.org/focus/support/resources/israel-advocacy-talking.html
Conclusion (seeing the crimes in Gaza): This plan was never abandoned and is now in its last stages; the military leadership of Isreal has dehumanized the Palestinians so much that they even use horrible new weapons against them (WP and DIME-weapons: 100% deadly within a certain radius; cause terrible wounds and spray the surviving victims with a highly toxic superheated micro-shrapnel of HMTA (heavy metal tungsten alloy)which causes cancer and leads to DNA-damage...
WE MUST BOYCOTT ISRAEL NOW (As we did with racist Apartheid South Africa)
i think it was sharon who said that if he offered a resolution to the congress stating the jesus himself was a scum sucking child raping aids infested turd - he could get 97 congressmen to support it
the us sucks big time
war mongering genocidal pschos with your fat arses stuffed with supersized sludge from macdonalds
i look forward to the day when the mexicans repatriate their country
cheers, b
Sharon probably said it last week. And please Cite your source.
Do you actually think things will be better?
Do you know anything about Mexican culture or do you think it's all about fiestas and margaritas?
It's a dark and corrupted culture my friend, it wouldn't be any better than whitey's.
Serena
Nobody is leaving except those who prefer other countries. There were no NATIVE AMERICANS. There were only the first immigrants. We certainly have enough problems and have made enough mistakes. The greater the country, the more responsibility a country has the more magnified its mistakes and stupid decisions.
Does something we do usually have more impact on the world than what Finland does, of course.
In any case regarding my post "Thomas More January 10th, 2009 12:19 am" though I meant every word of it, I believe it was excessive in answer to what you posted. It was probably an overall answer to many statement's you have made. But look at what you said, look at what I answerred and I feel its inappropriate, especially as there is nothing to indicate it as an overall comment.
If you agree with my acessment, please accept my apology for it. If you didn't feel that way, great...no harm, no foul. Sometimes I'm just not clear enough about why and what I'm saying.
I find it shocking that someone as ethnocentric as yourself would be in charge of a University's Department of Culture....
Mexico must be truly desperate to hire someone who regularly throws around offensives terms like 'Gringo.'
Mexican culture is not a dark and corrupted culture.
It has its poetry, its art, its philosophy like any other. What it has never had is a level playing field. It has different roots so it has different destinations. Like every country's culture it has iits good and bad points. Its culture is better than some countries and worse than others, but you can say that about most countries.
Art, poetry and philosophy are the work of individuals whatever culture or race they happen to be. When people start talking about "us americans", "us israelis", "us mexicans/latinos", etc, etc, it usually leads to trouble. I view the group mentality as generally negative because it seeks to be exclusive and usually at a great cost to other groups. I decided long ago to assess people as individuals and try not to attribute any particular quality or defect because they belong to a particular group. It's hard but I'm trying. Societal pressures are huge especially in this day and age where everyone wants to belong to a group or seek power in numbers. Therein lies the problem.
Have you read "Bowling Alone"? It pretty much confirms that peopler tend to stick to their own group.
Its hard not to speak in terms of nationality I think. Nationalism never really left, it was just disguised by the story of "Globalism". Its returning with a thud. I find it very difficult to view nations as anything but nations.
As to individuals I agree.
It can be fun, but expensive to learn another cultures practices...I agreed to be a Padrone at a friends wedding. I thought it meant I was going to bring the beer or something. Oops!
Probably so. As apparent with all the shrieking I hear these days from the likes of Serena. IMO, nationalism, culturalism, is something that isn't even earned yet bestows false honor and pride. Of course, I understand everyone wants something for nothing these days.
Anyway, I'm a native born New Mexican so I think I know a thing or two about Mexican culture. Having driven Mexico extensively back in 70s when it was still a nice place to visit, Mexico is now a failed state. We don't even go to Palomas or Juarez anymore because of the drug cartels. The State Dept has a warning out for the Mexican frontier from Juarez to Tijuana. My daughter is climbing in Chica Portrero at this very moment and emailed me about the drug cartels shooting up a Monterrey TV station. Luckily, she's with a large group of international climbers in a remote area. Most of the Mexican-Americans I grew up with had been here several generations if not several hundred years like the Northern NM land grant families (land deeds hastily signed over to the itinerant mestizos by the fleeing Spaniards).
Serena, unfortunately, is the "new" breed, with all the attendant false pride and entitlement.
What do you call using racial slurs?
I think people who do are uncultured, unintellectual obnoxious person...
Seeing how you have repeatedly used derogatory racial remarks i think you are an uncultured, unintellectual obnoxious person....
When you mature enough to get over name calling why don't you try to prove anything i've said wrong...I'll be waiting for you.
HMMM,
I always thought the baby was the one who ran away. Seeing how you still can't offer one rebuttal i think you are the one acting like a baby.
In any case i just glad that you finally realized racial slurs are inappropriate...you might become a respectable person after all!
Nationalism is as artificial as globalism, the only territory a person truly knows and that is thus his (or her) home is the watershed they can reach in a days walk. Leftists call that bio-regionalism and rightists call it Posse Comitatus or New England town meeting, but it's the same damn thing. In the long run what will prevent useless war is focusing inward on our communities and abandoning the pretensions of empire and large centralized Federal nation states, something Kirkpatrick Sale, Ralph Nader, and Pat Buchanan can agree on. Green paleo-con alliance against empire FTW IMO.
hootowl
"Nationalism is as artificial as globalism" Very true, except that nations are reasl and globalism is not.
Good points...I loved this one "Leftists call that bio-regionalism and rightists call it Posse Comitatus or New England town meeting, but it's the same damn thing."
"In the long run what will prevent useless war is focusing inward on our communities and abandoning the pretensions of empire and large centralized Federal nation states, something Kirkpatrick Sale, Ralph Nader, and Pat Buchanan can agree on. Green paleo-con alliance against empire FTW IMO."
Think of America, our nation asour community and we are on the same page. I'd say that the Pax Americana is over and we will have to focus on our own nation, our own communities and our own intersts anyway, just as all other nations have been doing.
Pat B has been right a lot lately and Ralph usually is.
Nope America is NOT our community an area roughly the size of U.S. county is, it's the area that a person truly knows like the back of their hand, and where 90% of the friends you see on a face to face basis live. IMO if we are going to survive the coming century that is is going to have to be where the locus of our affections lays. We have neither the resources nor the ability to survive endless well equipped wars so to NOT choose this way will be suicidal IMO.
That doesn't mean not keeping track of the world or being parochial if the internet is still around decades from now that will help with that, but it does mean less travel, and less meddling in other peoples affairs whether they are 3 states away or 3 countries away. It also means becoming more regionally self sufficient by growing more of our own food and making more of life's necessities closer to home. It may mean making do with less Chinese made crap, but it will mean more local jobs, less support for atrocious wars that aren't any of our business like Israel's debacle, and a slower more reflective pace of life with more time for friends and family, a good trade off if you ask me and one in essence I suspect many of us here have made already compared to most Americans. With the upcoming depression I suspect many of us can see the outlines of this way of life already, the question is will most Americans be smart enough to make this choice or will we die in resource wars to maintain a big bloated wasteful empire, or even worse someone else's bloated empire like Israel?
We might disagree on religion Thomas but we might agree on other things more than you'd ever suspect Thomas. :) Ever read Wendell Berry Thomas? He is one of those figures who transcends an easy left right categorization in a very good way. He is either so traditional with his horse farming that he sounds like a far leftist organic farmer, or so far left with organic agriculture and sticking to the local community and knowing his farm that he sounds like a traditional Ben Franklin/Thomas Jefferson type American I haven't figured it out yet. :) I recommend checking out "The Gift of Good land" if they have it at your local library. He was onto locally grown food 30 years before any trendy metrosexual New York TImes columnists wrote about it. Not that I really have anything against metrosexuals... :)
Those kids will be Americans Serna, not Mexicans. We come in all ethnicities. And they will learn English because that will be their native language.
serena
I'd suggest you pay more attention to your new country before coming back here to tell us how to run our country or commenting on what we are doing wrong.
Even under Bush the US has not even approached the level of corruption in your adopted country.
Over 4000 deaths on our border this year isn't it? Mexican citizens decapitated, tortured, killed. Just on the border. A society that far surpasses ours in the concentration of wealth. Far exceeds.
A resource rich country that is exploited for a very few elites while its citizens starve. Yes NAFTA was a terrible blow to the Mexican farmer, but two countries signed it, not just one. Mexicans bear the responsibility for Mexico's plight, not American's.
Couldn't you do something to help the poor kids there? Try and stop the buying of teaching jobs? Make some kind of skill requirement to get a teaching job? Stop the willing of a teaching job to a family member?
Moving to a country obviously dosen't mean you know anything about it. I obviously know quite a bit more than you do.
Your one of those hysterically driven fools who thinks Mexico is gonna get back the Southern portion of the US!!
I'm sorry but the Treaty of San Jacinto is an internationally legally recognized pact...Mexico forfeited the rights to Texas and the parts of New Mexico, Colorado, Kentucky, and Oklahoma-though if you really want that dust bowl back i say have it.
Mexico lost the rest in the Mexican US war...now i'll give you that conflict mostly about US expansionism but don't forget that Mexico attacked Texas after it had become a state...
I find your delusions to be comical...
Sincerely,
A Proud Texan.
My great great great great grandfather annexed Texas from Mexico. For that, I truly apologize. But then again, the Spaniards annexed it from the natives, who annexed it from each other. Two wrongs don't make a right. If we don't all come to a mutual state of harmony very quick, I'm afraid humans will blow up everything decent we've achieved as walking talking bipeds over the past 100,000 years.
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1963 & 1968- Dallas and Los Angeles Coup d'État by the US Military Industrial Junta completed according to modern examination of old evidence
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein. (Ed note: WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, DENSE METAL SUPER WEAPONS, NUCLEAR STICK UP, MISSILE DEFENSE, AND PROPAGANDA!!!!!)
Thomas Moore, you can blame that on America's Drug War. America's facsistic drug war has contributed to the instability of Mexico and other countries. Gotta have that war on drugs! JMHO.
winning ticket
The war on drugs is a non sensical thing pretty much like the war on terror.
But no, Mexico and the South American countries carry just as much responsibility here as the addict/customer. Blaming every trouble they have on us is convienient, but dishonest of them.
So America is responsible for the Mexican drug dealers who are terrorizing the border towns of Mexico?
I won't defend the joke that is 'America's War on Drugs' but why don't you exercise a little bit of reason...
Mexico has a whole host of problems that it is responsible for...a massively corrupt police force is the main reason Mexico had had more drug related deaths than the US has had combat related deaths over the same time frame...
The attempt to halt the trade of cocaine is noble but the US needs to change it's methods...unless you think it good that kids are snorting coke?
I would just like to point out to everyone here that the word 'Gringo' to describe an American is equivalent to the word 'Spic' for describing Mexicans or 'Nigger' for describing African-American...
It's good to know that such progressive people like yourselves throw around such racial terms with such ease....
Tolerance only for those that agree with you eh?
If you aren't ashamed of serena's language then your no better than the racists you profess to hate...
At least i got you to stop using racial epithets...
I'm glad you realized the uncivil nature of your language.
Mexico tried that before...and Texas singlehandedly kicked their ass!
Yep, Texas wanted to be independent so Texans can have slaves. Noble goal indeed (sarcasm).
Sadly slave ownership was allowed in Texas, while Mexican law forbid slaves Mexico just looked the other way for the most part.
It would be a gross misstatement to imply that Slave ownership was the sole reason Texas fought for independence from Mexico.
How is that racist? It is an empirical fact that Texas beat the Mexican army. Santa Anna and his army were wholly defeated at San Jacinto!
Tell me the racist charge in that...?
True, but remember Texas had very few Mexican citizens in it and most of them wanted to be an independent country too, it wasn't important to Mexico like California was and the land wasn't originally theirs anyway.
If it had been important to the government, might have been another story. Those stories where the Texan was worth 100 Mexicans in a fight were exactly what they sounded like. Bull Poop. There were a lot of Mexicans in the Alamo and in the Texas army.
But the talk today about "taking back" is BS too. There are lots of Hispanics in Texas, most are Texans and Americans....not Mexicans. Most of the Mexicans here are the illegals and they will be going back.
Of course a large part of the Texas army was Mexican...Texas was part of Mexico. Texas had been a frontier land though and it had been built up by immigration. The commanding officer of the Alamo was from South Carolina and some of the best fighters Texas had were Irish immigrants. That being said, they fought for Texas. The 100 Mexicans for 1 Texan are of course exaggerations but it is true that in both the Texas war for independence and in the Civil War Texas soldiers are among the most decorated of all. Gen. Lee of the Confederacy had said that The Texas Brigade and Terry's Texas Rangers were among his best soldiers.
As far as for the 'taking back,' your right for Texas is the most independent minded states in the country. They are America for sure but they are also Texans as a close second and they surely will never be Mexican again. These pipe dreams people have about the US breaking apart are a joke-that Russian professor has been ridiculed by every corner of academia.
"Texas had been a frontier land though and it had been built up by immigration."
True the area was mostly a territory of old Spanish land grants rather than a part of Mexico proper and you can bet the Mexicans have been asking ever since the invitation to come on down was extended....who was the genius that thought of inviting the Americans to immigrate?
"Of course a large part of the Texas army was Mexican...Texas was part of Mexico."
Not a large part....Texas was very, very sparsely populated before we started arriving. Not many Mexicans here at all and those that were here liked being left alone. Thats why they got along so well with the new Texans I think.
The Mexican government thought a good way to settle and develop the territory would be to let anyone who agreed to live their a plot of land...tragic mistake.
Many of the Mexicans that moved to Texas were disenfranchised with Mexico also Santa Anna hurt himself for when he went to put down the small movement for independence he simply slaughtered everybody and turned a small movement into a very large and dedicated movement.
The British did something to the same effect when they went to put down what was originally a very small independence movement in the Colonies.
As usual, you are full of shit. Most "Mexicans" here are US citizens and will not "be going back."
You must not have ever been to Texas or else you would know that Texans will go scorched earth on anyone who tries to assert control over them...
Hispanics are happily welcomed in Texas for they are part of our heritage and we are deeply traditional people in Texas but don't think that we belong to Mexico...
The Mexican people are our friends but they will never be our owners...
Oh please, please, please let them be your "owners" THEN you'd know how the Palestinians feel. Why do I suspect an aggressive person such as yourself steel would be among the first to fire crude homemade missiles towards Mexico supplied by say Canada, if that's all you could get?
Shoe, other foot, wear it steel...
Darn Hoot...you mean to say all we Texans can get are those cruddy Canadian missles? We want some of those good ones made in Monte Carlo.
You would need an army far larger than the one they got in Mexico to control Texas...remember that Texas regularly put forth the toughest fighters in out history.
Also, i won't fire my homemade missiles at civilians but rather at the occupation forces..so no i wouldn't act just like Hamas. Even in warfare i'd recognize the difference between civilians and hostiles...
As i've told you before the Palestinians would feel a whole lot better if they stopped firing rockets at Israeli towns.
Bullshit dude if untargeted missiles were all you could get and the choice was live on your knees or fight back with untargeted missiles I bet you'd do the later.
It would appear that my moral compass is a bit stronger than your....NO i wouldn't bomb civilians nor would i fire untargetable missiles b/c i believe it is the same thing as firing a gun into a crowd. Blowing up civilians isn't the best way to defeat an army...
karlof1
I will ignore your incivility long enough to point out as with your usual imprecise posting, you once again ignore what was said.
I was speaking about Texas in the first place and if they are US citizens they are not Mexicans they are Americans. That seems an easy point to understand.
A Mexican is a Mexican citizen. Some Mexicans are here legally, most illegally.
Please pay attention.
I believe ole karlof1 was speaking to me, not you steelgray.
I'm not talking about them going back i have no problem with them being here. My home city, Houston, is a majority Hispanic and i'm fine with that.
You should learn your history...Mexico invaded Texas in 1836.
I'm not talking about US history i'm talking about the history of Texas.
How could that be called an invasion when Mexico had sovereignty over the land? Confused?
I believe you are in a constant state of confusion my friend....
Texas desired Independence, it was undeveloped land after all, and we took it. The Mexican Army attacked and Santa Anna issued orders that no prisoners were to be taking...the entire territory rose up against Mexico after the immoral and unjustified actions of the Mexican Army....
Will you be need anymore history lessons?
Serena here has a little bit of a problem...she has teret syndrome. It's not her fault she repeats, over and over and over again, the same line, "troll ignored." Have pity on the poor girl...obviously she is a little child who confuses reality with mythical creatures...i mean really what mature adult uses the word troll in conversation?
Well steelgray, if the troll fits, wear it. And you wear it well.
Yes, I'm the troll b/c refusing to entertain opposing points of view-i being from Texas would actually have knowledge that pertains in this discussion-is a sign of great maturity...Some one who barriers their head in the sand is to be admired...a land of ostriches...how progressive!
Again i want to remark on how name calling is so becoming...
I do! Here in the Pacific Northwest we sometimes eat "wild troll caught salmon." Imagine our disappointment when we learned that the salmon were not caught by trolls at all, wild or domestic. Well, at least we can still ride the fairy across Puget Sound to look for Sasquatch!
(Trying to laugh to keep from crying...)
Touche FastEddie75
FastEddie75:missed your comment by a couple of minutes! Couldn't stay away,huh? I am near tears a lot...I use humor same way as you do. Nice to see you. I saw your "goodbye" to me. I am so happy about your comment about "a wise woman" in your home. I do want to point out that she is the same age, just about as Howard Zinn.
Thanks for the kind greeting. I've been occasionally lurking around the periphery, watching others post, unable to think of a thing to contribute, really. I'm no news junkie, but even from the periphery I've taken in too many photos of dead, dismembered, burned people. My anger seems moot in an ocean of angry voices. Bluster, bravado, bile... no recourse. I guess I'm effectively "shocked and awed" at present (and I live in a peaceful place). But voices like yours are some reassurance amidst the insanity, so I look for your comments among others. Thanks again.
Yup. Mom's getting up there: 85 in a few weeks. If you ever want to get her going, ask her about randomly meeting Buckminster Fuller in a train station and then having an hour-long conversation with him.
FastEddie75:it's hard to stay away, sigh. I can't look at the pictures of violence. As a visual person (I think in pictures, often.), I can't "erase" the images. I do my protest art without using those images (which are copyrighted). Thanks for your kind words. I was not going to come online today. Couldn't stay away. Wow. Your mom recognized B. Fuller and approached him. Not shy. I once saw Hubert Humphrey. Dallas,TX when he was VP. I had seen soldiers with rifles on a low roof. So, I asked people in the small crowd, "why are you here?". They said H. Humphrey was coming out. I waited, (I was in my mid20s, pleasant looking young woman). I smiled nicely, put out my hand and said, "Stop the War, sir" as he shook my hand.(Vietnam War, for you young folks) He looked like he wanted to vomit. I then went on my walk, tourist.
Another bit of (gallows) humor I saw on a screen last evening driving through Seattle (I'll paraphrase since I was driving at the time):
"You know what terror is? Terror is waking up one morning to realize your high school class is running the country." --Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Well, people have rumbling tummies here and it's my turn to cook, so I must go.
I was always partial to William F Buckley...
ANother apologist for war crimes like yourself steel, birds of a feather. Ever see the youtube videos of Gore Vidal handing pretentious punk Buckley his ass regarding VIetnam? The ONLY good thing I can say about Buckley is he somewhat turned against the neo-cons and the Iraq war in the last year of his life.
Vidal..the guy who said the US shouldn't have fought in WWII, the guy who made disparaging remarks about Buckley on hearing that he passed away, by they way how many times did Vidal have to pay Buckley's lawyer fee's...? I think it was 3 or 4 times if I'm not mistaken...Nobody questions who was the better debater...
Also the reason Buckley admonished the Neocons is b/c he was always against them you fool.
Molly Ivins and William F Buckley wre my two favorite writers and speakers in the world.
Fortunately Molly was from Texas and anybody could go and knock on her door, Buckley not.
I need to add Pat Buchanan in here too at #3.
Hoot...pretencious punk....cut the poor old fella some slack.
FastEddie
Great quote! Thanks.
I love the Vonnegut quote, made me laugh. Thanks Eddie...and Kurt.
If you are going to insult someone by using the name of a disabling illness, at least learn how to spell it. Disabled people have enough stereotyping to deal with. It's the last refuge of someone without facts.
My apologies i did just try to sound it out, tourette syndrome.
However, my intent wasn't to insult her, i see it as the only logical explanation for her repeated use of the same phrase, 'troll ignored.' She would seem to be suffering from a neurological disorder causing repetitive vocalization. I infer that she is using voice recognition software to type with. I in no way have made a disparaging remark about disabled people. By the way my facts have always been spot on and if not please list my mistakes....
Actually, serena has a gift. Out of all the people blogging on Common Dreams, she is the most capable of needling others to the point that they lose their tempers. I honestly think that if we could induce serena to enter a locked room with Bill O'Reilly, Anne Coutler, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and Rush Limbaugh, only serena would emerge. The others would die from apoplexy. Say! Maybe we're onto something here!
Hi serena. It was probably rude of me to speak of you in the third person, so I will say this directly. I think your needling is most effective, and most thought provoking, when it's less personal. As entertaining as it can be to poke someone with a stick and watch them squirm, when the fights break out, I just scroll on by without reading the comments, so I miss whatever points might lie under the harsh exchanges. I don't know if anyone ever "wins" the argument, because I stop paying attention way before they peter out.
Tell me then, how are you gonna 'needle me' when you can't even offer a rebuttal?
It would seem that i shut you up this time....What is it? You can't find a way to get under my skin so you go run away...? I've heard better arguments from high schoolers and your trying to pawn of that your a college professor? I sympathies for the students that wasted their money on you...
How is spitting out racial slurs holding your head up high?
People who don't have anything intelligent to say resort to using racial slurs foolish girl...
You do know that in intellectual circles silence is considered a defacto acquiescence...your inability to offer any rebuttal to my position proves that I am correct...
THANK YOU FOR CONCEDING DEFEAT!
I'm glad that, even though you suffer from delusions of cultural superiority, you are able to admit your errors...there is hope for you yet...
Evil has only one tool - that is the disruption of peace - it is applied in infinite ways but it is always the same tool -
Our so called leaders supporting mass murders - murders of children - Thieves - about par for the course - why do we put up with these sick idiots?
About Israel's Zionists "right" to be there in the first place
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
"As the Arabs see the Jews"
His Majesty King Abdullah,
The American Magazine
November, 1947
According to Harry Reid, Democrat, the resolution shows the US-support for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. As far as I know, the only peace Israel wants is a greater Israel without those pesky Palestinians, as the land of Israel was a gift from their god; those Israelites even got permission to kill anyone residing there when they got there after 40 years in the desert. L'histoire se repete, as they say in France.
Timothy McVeigh, from Michigan, bombed the Oklahoma City federal building. Considering the logic used to defend
military offensives against the Palestinians, the entire U.S. military should have spent several weeks bombing Detroit and Kalamazoo.
In song: "LULLABY FOR A CHILD IN WAR"
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(free download)(complete lyrics)
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Meanwhile, in the peaceful and compliant West Bank - the example of what the Gazans could have if they would just learn to do what Isreal tells them to do:
This:
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=34776
and this:
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=34789
and this:
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=34795
and this short newwire item:
"09/01/2009 14:42: Israeli troops open fire on demonstrators in Beit Ummar, other points in the West Bank"
---USAn---
Marian J. Cole
The blanket US Senate support for the heinous mutilating, wounding, killing, starving and isolating of the Palestinian people by Israel is not human, I was hoping, against hope it seems, that there is some thinking and humanity and compassion in the hearts of the people that we have elected to represent us, not so, it would seem. They do not represent me. Their behavior is a DISGRACE.
30 people evacuated to a safe-house in the Gaza suburbs. Israel bombed the house and killed them all.
Israel, in fear, has reverted to the mentality of the Russia and Nazi Germany from which many came. Straight Ethnic Cleansing. An ongoing Pogrom in the West Bank. Starving and slaughtering Gaza.
The pictures of happy Israeli's watching white phosphorous raining onto a burning Gaza, the smell of charred flesh in the air as they laugh and giggle is scary.
I've always supported Israel, but it is becoming very difficult.