NEW YORK - A brief survey of current events:
The stock market has gone nuts, and the federal government is treating Wall Street with experimental cures that will cost nearly $1 trillion. An unpopular foreign war, now in its sixth year, has resulted in more than 4,100 American deaths. For the first time in history, the presidential campaign includes an African American candidate for president and a Republican female candidate for vice president.
Taken together, these data points give this moment in American history a once-in-a-great-while feel of Something Large. But if this is truly a pivot in time, its most peculiar feature may be how un-peculiar it feels. For all the social and political upheaval, for all the 60-point headlines and for all the bipartisan calls for change, there is plenty of unease -- but a very notable lack of unrest.
It's as though the gods of turmoil threw a party and nobody came. When was the last time you saw a street protest? Or a burning effigy? Or a teach-in? Or a boycott? It's kind of odd: We have the sense that this is an emergency, but open the window and give a listen. There aren't any sirens.
How come?
Washington Square Park, near Greenwich Village, seemed like a good place to pose that question. Forty years ago, this was one of the city's counterculture epicenters, a frequent site of protests and rallies and as close to an open-air drug market as one could find downtown. If you had been near the south entrance at 8:30 p.m. on Dec. 4, 1968, you would have witnessed a spectacle: New York University students shouting obscenities at Ambassador Nguyen Huu Chi, South Vietnam's permanent observer to the United Nations, who had come to lecture at the nearby Loeb Center. A Nazi flag was tossed around his neck, and then someone poured a pitcher of water over his head.
Last Sunday, by contrast, the park looked serene. A jazz band played, a street juggler performed, and the only sign of politics was the "Bakin' for Barack" sale in the northeast corner. "Make a donation, take a treat," read the sign next to the slices of banana bread and chocolate chip cookies.
"My sense is that nobody feels they can make a difference in the same way that students did in 1968," said Sachin Makani, 29, a graduate student in neuroscience and one of a handful of people collecting money here. "A lot of us don't see the point in rallying in the streets."
As a historical reference point, 1968 is useful not just because it was an election year that unfolded in the midst of a grim and protracted foreign war. It was also the high-water mark for exactly the kind of radical activism that seems largely absent today, apart from the occasional horde that shows up whenever the World Bank and International Monetary Fund meet.
The differences go well beyond the occasional attack on visiting dignitaries. The culture back then was suffused in the atmospherics of insurrection. There were celebrity radicals, such as Abbie Hoffman and Timothy Leary. The Beatles, who only a few years earlier wanted to hold your hand, were singing "Revolution." There was a lot of talk about "the system" and how to avoid it, destroy it or drop out of it.
That's gone now.
"I've been to meetings for political clubs and they never seem to have any momentum," said Robert Hoyer, an NYU junior who was standing outside the library, wearing a pair of headphones. "I know people who really care about what's happening in the world and are trying to get something off the ground, but it's hard for me -- and a lot of students -- to see a way of making a contribution that means anything."
What happen to the street-fighting man? The answer has to start with the draft, or the lack of it.
Because it was personal and nearly unavoidable, the draft lent the same urgency to activism then as hunger and homelessness did during the Great Depression, when unemployed workers marched on the Ford Motor Co. and thousands of World War I vets camped in Washington demanding bonus pay. The draft felt as immediate and potentially deadly as racial discrimination did to those who suffered it and took to the streets to fight it. It was the thing that drove masses of angry kids to Chicago, where they made a shambles of the Democratic National Convention in 1968 -- a far cry from the relative handfuls of Iraq war protesters who were kept on the periphery of the GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn., this summer.
But the draft didn't just terrify and galvanize students. It forced them to be curious about the world and serious in a way that isn't required today.
"Our friends were getting killed in Vietnam, and any day you could get a letter from the government saying 'Time to go,' " said author and anthropologist David Givens, who teaches at Gonzaga University. "So for survival, we read and we talked. And the people who got up to speak at demonstrations, they were highly literate, they were great orators, they were writers. They had to be articulate. Everyone did."
That's missing today, Givens said. "It's not that kids are stupider. They're just not as interested in the world. They don't read as widely. They don't have to. You'd be amazed at how many college students on their MySpace page say that X-Men comics are their favorite books."
Some students sound every bit as underwhelmed by the level of intellectual curiosity on campus. Rachael McMillan, a senior at Columbia University, worked for two years with the Columbia College Democrats and found the experience pretty unsatisfying. But at least she tried.
"Most college students just don't feel like they have a vested interest in what is happening today," she said. "I hate to say it, but a lot of my peers calculate the opportunity cost of coordinating with others -- or planning a sit-in or a walkout or just some protest -- against the urge to write a paper, get an A and go to Harvard Law School."
McMillan isn't exempting herself from this charge. She quit the CCD last year after spending five hours squabbling with the Socialist Club about what to put in a news release. It all seemed tragically disorganized to her. But she knows what's happening in the world beyond Columbia, which is more than she can say for a lot of her classmates.
"No one was really curious about Iran until the president of the country came to speak at our campus," she said. "Then it was like, 'Oh, yeah. Iran.' A lot of my friends get all their political news from 'The Daily Show,' or from Perez Hilton, who does more political commentary than you'd think. We spend more time padding our résumés than trying to stay informed."
The draft, McMillan believes, would transform Columbia. But to explain the relative calm of college life today by focusing solely on the draft would be a mistake. It runs deeper than that, said Todd Gitlin, a Columbia professor of journalism.
"There was a culture of confrontation back then," he said. "You were either on the side of the authorities -- not just the president, but the police and the suits -- or you were an outlaw. You took psychedelic drugs and you protested and you drew a line between yourself and the prevailing culture."
That line is getting harder to draw, Gitlin said, in part because the counterculture has been mainstreamed. Rebellion is no longer a clarion call; it's a marketing pitch.
"Where is the Frank Sinatra of today? Where is the Tony Bennett? Who represents easy-listening normality? Popular culture is now a rebel industry. There is no inside to it. It's all outside now."
Look at rap. Gangsta rappers such as Jay-Z and Rick Ross are self-professed outlaws all right, but they don't want to opt out. They want to buy in. Their aspirations are hard to distinguish from those of a hedge-fund cowboy -- luxury cars, Cristal, yachts. They are unabashed fans of success just as it is defined by the latest crop of MBAs.
"430 Lex with the convertible top," Big Tymers rap on "Still Fly," a song that also name-checks Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Prada and Gucci.
Luxury product placement in a song from the mid- or late '60s? No way. Music was ominous (Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower"), sometimes sardonic (Creedence Clearwater's "Fortunate Son") and occasionally satiric (the Beatles' "Piggies"). It reflected the gravity of the times or it looked forward to a utopian future that seemed distant but possible. There wasn't a lot of rhapsodizing about money.
If anything, the almighty dollar was scorned. So was Wall Street, at a time when it was rolling along without incident. Abbie Hoffman and 20 friends visited the New York Stock Exchange in August 1967 and gleefully tossed dollar bills from the gallery above the traders. The group was quickly tossed out of the building, but photos of the episode firmed Hoffman's reputation as the nation's greatest yippie prankster.
And now, after a $700 billion bailout? No street theater, no demonstrations. Wall Street has been bloodied and embarrassed, but on-site, public displays of rejection have yet to materialize.
"It might happen," said Steven Fraser, author of "Every Man a Speculator," a history of Wall Street's place in American culture, "because what we've seen is so bad and so serious, and its ramifications are so scary." But, he said, we're a long way from the kind of anti-Wall Street rhetoric that was particularly common after the Depression.
"It's partly a function of Americans becoming familiar with the market," Fraser said. "Half of all American families are, at least in a passive way, invested in the market. We've become accustomed to looking toward it to finance homes, vacations, college, whatever."
That wasn't true in 1968. But back then, long before the age of the mutual fund, life on the margins was surprisingly affordable. If you decided to move to a hippie hothouse such as Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, you could live decently on $100 a month. Today, without a law degree or an MBA, you can't afford the rent. And the whole firebrand lifestyle is tricky when you live in the suburbs with your mom and dad, as a record number of college graduates now do.
But what if we're just looking for dissent in the wrong places? What if there's just as much rage against the machine as ever, but it's vented in ways and in places that aren't as loud and unmissable as a street march. Web sites, for instance.
"I think the Internet has become a channel for all kinds of countercultural expression, including discontent and critique," said Miles Orvell, a professor of American studies at Temple University. "But it might have this paradoxical effect. It enlarges the conversation, but it can also produce a kind of passivity. It's like, 'I've said it and that's all I need to do.' A lot of young people seem to use the Internet as a surrogate community, and to that extent, it might diminish participation in the visible sphere."
But there are those who say that most political agitation today isn't on the Web or on campuses. The action now, according to Daniel May, who once worked for the Service Employees International Union, is all door to door. They're raising money, they're getting out the vote.
"The organizers of my generation were shaped by 1968," said May, who is working toward a master's degree from Harvard. "But one lesson is that 1968 marked the first year of 40 years of conservative rule. Why would we want to replicate that? There's a real limit to protest politics. It's politics as catharsis and that eventually leads to cynicism."
It would be a mistake, in May's estimation, to confuse the lack of effigies with a lack of passion. The kids who once marched are now trying a different approach, he said, using techniques that were dismissed by their parents as too establishment. May's mother, Elaine Tyler May, a historian at the University of Minnesota, says she used to think that the youth of today just couldn't be bothered. But she has changed her mind.
"My son tells me it's politics that's more interested in power than in protest, and on a good day, that's how I see it," she said. "I still have this impulse to go yelling in the street, but what I see my kids doing is far more effective. I think we're just old and we don't realize -- there's a groundswell of political engagement that we just don't see."
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Show AllWell a lot has been said about this, but here are the SALIENT facts:
Bu$hCo learned their lessons well from the 60's/Vietnam era.
#1 - The A'stan and Iraq invasions/occupations were done with a view to keep the draft from ever being used, because they knew doing so would eventually arouse great blowback from the same college kids that the author's article speaks of.
So, they invented "stop loss" and got more aggressive with recruiting for the military (ie: lying) among other tricks. Problem solved.
#2 - They knew that the MSM showing the carnage in Vietnam daily on TV, and for example the caskets returning to Dover AFB - and other social ills and their protests - would keep the issues raw for the American public.
So, they simply bought up/controlled the MSM, and learned how to really spin and package the issues. Problem solved.
#3 - Corporate financing of BOTH political parties, run amok.
So that politicians have much less incentive to hew to their voting constituency's mandates - or what's left of them.
When you have those 3 scenarios working well for you, the rest will usually follow - such as the Gestapo-ing of the local police forces, unconstitutional re-writing/rescinding of existing law, hard-right judicial stacking, etc.
If by some chance the People actually deign to have a say in the outcome at the ballot box, there's always the fallback...
#4 - Voting/election fraud and influence.
This has functioned well for Bu$hCo every 2 years since 2000, and earlier, (ie: the Reagan/Bush 'October Surprise' in 1980).
Because of the above, non-violent protesting now seems to have been rendered generally ineffective in the US today. What's probably needed is a step beyond non-violence.
Sure, things are different now. It is very scary. The neo-cons have been working at this for years and they are perfecting the response to any dissent. Still it makes no difference in the long run that if there is to be dramatic change in this country we need to make it ourselves and not have a "New World Order" imposed upon us. The ONLY way for this to be effective is to do it without violence. "We" become "Them" if we don't manage the change without violence. We must not indulge in such practices or our longings for a better world will be have been useless and we might as well start giving kool-aid to our loved ones! Get out there on the street, be a warm body and take your sign!
"What's probably needed is a step beyond non-violence."
I would suggest to you thats not an option. In the first place the response won't be like it was in Watts and around the country. The Police and Firemen are prepared this time. In the second place the community would oppose anything like that kind of stuff.
If you are speaking of a revolution favored by 70-80% of citizens, different story.
In my town, and probably in other cities across the USA- protest marches have become more like parties. Costumes, funny masks, clever signs, colorful banners, drummers, dancers, children in strollers with kitten hats, and on and on.
Does THAT seem like an appropriate (or the only) response to the death and destruction of the US military/mercenaries' invasion of Iraq?
Is a festive march any way to help ordinary onlookers comprehend that our country is descending rapidly into fascism?
Of course not!!
I firmly believe that we need new tactics and new strategies.
We need to go back (as an earlier poster said) to true ORGANIZING.
Find out who holds the power, who makes the decisions, get other people (it only takes a few) to work with you, keep at it. Do your homework on the issue.
It's not as exciting or as fun as a big march where you can meet up with all your friends and long-lost classmates.
And protesting these days?
The same people, standing on the same street corner, week-in-week-out, holding signs is NOT organizing.
It's stupid.
At the very least these "protesters" could stand with their signs in a different neighborhoood once-in-a-while. Say, oh, I dunno, the suburbs?
Out to the big shopping malls? Where the people are?
We REALLY need to get our act together.
As far as the draft in the 1960's- I was there, and being a girl, I was not subject to the draft. It was the nightly news that got to me- with our family TV always on while we ate dinner. Night after night, of seeing young men in the jungle- dying & being airlifted out. Of killing Vietnamese women and children.
It was LIFE magazine and LOOK with pictures of the Vietnwm War arriving in our mailbox every week.
We KNEW what that war was like not only from the TV news footage and other media, we heard the stories of returning vets. About smoking dope in the fields in Viet Nam, trying to stay alive and sane. Of boys coming home wounded and scared and alone.
When was the last time YOU saw a picture of a dead Iraqi civilian?
A dead woman or a child? A wounded vet?
No, instead we are getting non-stop news about Britney Spears and laying aorund watching American's Got Talent.
Propaganda in the U.S.?
Yeah, it's working real well.
Now this is a sensible comment. Good points.
I've heard there will be over 80 protests of the bailout tomorrow (Friday) - is there a list of where all of these protests will be? I want to know if there will be one in my area. One of the reasons I don't always go is because I don't always learn about them until afterwards.
Americans! wake up before it is too late. Don't let Bush's fearmongering intimidate you to the point of paralysis. Fight fire with fire!
If the protest are big enough and if you can somehow get them on television ….THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO SEE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEING GASSED AND BEAT TO THE GROUND.
Nothing was ever won without bloodletting. Women know the color of blood…I have sat and watched many a man turn pail at a cut finger. There are no spines left in this country, or do the women and children have to take to the streets for you?
Interesting, especially the comment that the sixties didn't change anything. It changed everything, ya'll just don't know the difference.
It brought civil rights, it stopped a war in Viet Nam, etc.
As far as street protests go, most do more harm than good now. Unless its a mass demonstration all over the country.
Great example are the demonstrations held in 2006 by illegals, million+ marching thru the streets. And they did far more harm to their cause than if they had never done it.
Every time Code Pink or groups like that hold demonstrations they hurt, not help.
Of course these are complex questions with many answers, BUT . . .
Back in the 1960s most activists didn't know the first thing about how to do real organizing, and that is still true today. And when you don't know how to win your way forward, victory step by victory step, you always lose momentum. There is so much "loser" activism, (and so little of substance on how to correct it in this article, for example,) that there's little wonder that Sarah Palin can so easily diss "community organizing."
Additionally, back then as here, serious work was too often laced with the decadance of the drug culture, which Sidney Jourard called "the impotent protest." Even if this was truly only a fraction, it was like Clinton and Monica Lewinsky taking down the Democratic Party and turning them into cowards.
The author also fails to see that true "utopianism," as Lewis Mumford showed in the Pentagon of Power, is the way of the megamachine, trying, especially via war, to force destiny into an imaginary box. The enemy are the ones living in dark naivete in the twisted romanticism of utopianism and the under realistic fatalism of Machiavellian power politics. Iraq is their utopia, as Naomi Klein showed (Baghdad Year Zero). Mumford's The Conduct of Life explains "The Fallacy of Systems" of utopias, right or left. We must get real.
I see nothing here to indicate that the author knows how to win anything. Any of the dramatic stuff, street theater, for example, can either be part of totally powerless hot air, OR real organizing.
Qualification, CLEARLY, there is excellent organizing, (that is, actually successful organizing,) in small enclaves all around the country, where victories are won even against corporate power, and clearly there was some in the 60s. But I see little in the activism and strategy sections of web sites to point internet folks seriously in that direction.
I recommend Shel Trapps online booklets, Dynamics of Organizing and Basics of Organizing, along with the much needed Beyond Machiavelli and the essential preparation workbook Getting Ready to Negotiate, both by Roger Fisher of the Harvard Negotiation Project. This is how you build momentum. In my direct experience, most experienced activist leaders are simply illiterate regarding the actually successful methods, and have never won anything against significant corporate and political power.
Ok, step 1: you focus directly on a person who really does directly decide the issue. For Iraq, that's not someone driving or walking by! So do not waste your time on that! "Never again!" No, it's your special someones in the House and Senate. Ooops, there go 90 plus percent of your methods?
Step 2: don't listen to that "experienced" leader from the 1960s who tells you differently. They just don't know how to be effective against power and never have been. Twice recently I saw activists get step 1 correct but then: group 1 didn't ask the Rep to actually do anything in the House! group 2 had a civil disobedience sit in but only asked the Senator's staff to listen to them talk for an hour or so, not to actually do anything in the Senate!
Another later step: know what to do after you're told "NO!" Most o your leaders from the 1960s and today don't know this either, in my experience. I saw a group of 8 leaders all say there was nothing more to do, since they were told "no" the first time. Nonsense! Illiteracy!
I wouldn't dare be without a whole library of the corrective material: "Getting Past No," and "Getting to Yes" (especially "What if" sections of the latter), both also on iTunes; Fisher's comprehensive textbook Coping with International Conflict (expanding Beyond Machiavelli); his International Mediation, also an excellent supplement. But do not leave out the Shel Trapp stuff. Fisher is dead wrong that we should do this individually.
Also Martin Luther King, "Letter from Birmingham Jail" is essential, ten times more important that "I have a dream," given the activist problem as I'm defining it.
There's no excuse for being naive, impotently drugged up, incompetent wimps, given the context of our times which is otherwise so well set forth by the author here.
I agree with the author that the draft made all the difference. But, you know, we had huge demos in Europe at the time as well, and we were not fighting that war!
Still, I find it disquieting and depressing that all my the political discussions are taking place with people my age or older. The younger ones might be interested in politics, but there is this complete lack of passion - compared to us when we were young - and I find that eerie in young people.
Re street protests: They can bring down any government, they just have to take place every day for a period and the number of participants has to be mounting (see for example the fall of the East Bloc, that's what people did in Eastern Europe at the time). If every day more and more peope hit the streets, this can change everything.
One protest once in a blue moon is indeed not going to accomplish much.
we're too disorganized and heterogenous a society to mass organize and come together for anything now. it's useless. we still have too much interfighting and stark political viewpoints in this country to ever achieve any kind of mass earthshaking movement. it's simple. hell even progressives can't find a common ground to speak of! there is the 'obama camp' and the 'anti-obama camp.' there are those progressives still supporting the corporate world and it's players for example. i wouldn't say they are going to ever lift a finger in any movement, be it radical, underground, or otherwise.....
what it boils down to is just the act of living too in this industrialized world. when you have to go to a 9-5 job all the time, it's like you're living there more than at your home and that takes up a huge chunk of time. it's the whole working system and all it's corporate "benefits" to living in this commercialized society.
live frugally and stop buying THINGS you don't need. start producing more and stop comsuming so much and sitting on your tail end. drop the gass guzzlers and start walking and biking everywhere....
Try to ignore this article. I really doubt the author ever showed up for a scheduled demonstration. He wants a Wall Street protest, but then he goes down memory lane. He wants action. Maybe heads cracking, like the good old days. Give the guy some copy so he can get a Pullitzer.
Here's my journalist story. On the eve of Bush's attack on Iraq, we were at a street corner for a scheduled demonstration. A Los Angeles Times photographer was hanging out. I asked her why she was there. I said that we had weekly protests in that spot, for years, and no one came to cover them, and the issues are the same. She tried to ignore me. Finally, she got a little excited when a policeman was yelling at a demonstrator crossing the street. Here was her big chance: to cover a police-protester skirmish. She moved into action to maybe capture...who knows what. Sadly, nothing happened. She left out of boredom, I think.
So, it goes, our "free" press, which can't even have the decency to ask a few questions about why people demonstrate about serious issues facing the country. After all, the press tells the story, not the people. You get corporate pablum about grave decision-making in Washington, rather than tales of low criminality - where an illegal war is waged. Sometimes, you get outright lies, like Judith Miller at the New York Times and her false weapons of mass destruction stories.
One thing you should learn from all of this: don't let the corporate press write your history. They don't care. You're outside their class. You're a joke to them. When a demo happens, skip the mainstream dailies and go to Indymedia.org for independent reporting.
-TIA
Protests are a waste of time and anyone who didn't fry his brain in the 60's knows it. If you've got a few tens of thousands of armed revolutionaries, that's one thing. Getting yourself tear-gassed and arrested doesn't seem to "accomplish" what it did in the 60's (martyr complex?). Don't fight a battle you can't win. The protest is online today, dimwits.
If the protest are big enough and if you can somehow get them on television ….THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO SEE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEING GASSED AND BEAT TO THE GROUND.
Nothing was ever won without bloodletting. Women know the color of blood…I have sat and watched many a man turn pail at a cut finger. There are no spines left in this country, or do the women and children have to take to the streets for you.
>The protest is online today, dimwits.
In the old days, we used to call it intellectual masturbation.
Now, I keep seeing this. And I'd really like to know. What , exactly , do you think that a "revolution online" can acommplish? Its got most people online supporting a party of the duopoly, and ignoring al his conservative-ness. That sounds like a martyrs bailout to me.
If you think the 60s accomplished nothing (And I was a pre-teen in '68)--go back to Vietnam (we might stil have a prescence there). Dont vote if youre 18-21. Overturn the Voting Rights Act (Oh, thats right--neo-ocns already did nost of that)
What, do you just believe what you see in old newsreels or movies? Cause, believe me, my sister was heavily involved, and that was nOT iT!I dont thnk she ever dropped acid in her life. No, that was just all that was left of it, by the time people like ME came of age. As far as I can tell, for al the "internet freedom', this age cant even nominate a candidate who wil support their right to use it without being spied on
Maybe the 60s didnt produce any major victories with the electorate, but at least they didnt end up backing Mr. Corporate One or Mr. Corporate Two.
When youre young, youre supposed to be idealistic.
Looked what armed revolutionaries get--denied by Obama. My main problem with Ayers of the Weather Underground, is that he is supporting a corporate candiate now. I know Tom Hayden et al of california, all say that protest is useless now.(NHow that theyve become too comfortable to do it) But they sure as hell didnt think so back in the day. I laugh when i see these guys with "Progressive Dems of America" in Denver, censoring teh word "crap" inthe blog, and marveling over the "change" theyve made in the "democratic process".
At least before, they had something to do with stopping a war, with civil and gender rights. I hope I die before I get THAT old.
Any new revolution will have to be largely headless, since they are either co-opted or apparently shills. The martyrs can stay home as well.
Blogs and mass communications available to the average person at this stage are showing us, slowly but surely, that consent is manufactured. The corporate media picks two corporate candidates (Obama and McCain) and lets the public "vote" on relatively meaningless/trivial differences.
Obviously the commiserating virtually will need to take on a bricks & mortar shape at some point. But protest isn't the way. Being pro-active, calling for a new national assembly, inviting well-respected non-governmental leaders, retired and sympathetic generals, and writing off the current government as irrelevant IS the way. Why protest something which is apparently no longer even a legitimate government?
9/23/2008 9:23:31 AM
THE BAIL OUT - IT’S GOT TO BE THE WATER
Ok, now I am sure that they have put something in the water. Where is the anger? Where is the roaring demand for justice? Bailing… out…. whom!
Have they put enough tranquilizers in the water yet? Well…my testosterone level is up. Where are the righteous men in this country….too much estrogen in your meat? Ya bunch of pussies!
This country needs to be rebuilt, and these Henry “Polesins” are NOT going to rebuild it by wrestling the rest of our country’s wealth into the dirt or rather into their pockets. Do you want hungry mobs on the streets or do you go to the source of this inequality and demand that the people of this country be served FIRST?
We need to save our homes…yes…their homes….everyone’s homes. This is not the time for them verses us. Black, brown, and beautiful….we are all in this together. Together we stand or they will run us over like a festering turd on the road and never look back once.
Now is not the time to wait and see what happens. No homes, no jobs, and the banks are becoming toast. Debtor’s prisons are not far away.
Our representatives are not listening to us. We have become knats buzzing around their heads. We need to become more effective than just tiny irritations. We need to speak with one voice for once.
• "Civil disobedience is not only the natural right of a people, especially when they have no effective voice in their own Government, but that it is also a substitute for violence or armed rebellion. “ T-3-153 – Mahatma Gandhi
My country needs your help. Whose country is it anyway? We are the legs they stand on. It is on our backs that they make their fortunes and yet they remain unaware of our contribution. NO CEO is worth more than its lowest paid worker.
We all hold this country in common. It is ours, the air we breathe, the water we drink, the land that we tread…the small bit of existence that we eke out to call our own. Do we love each other and this country enough to take it to the Congress and demand no bailout?
People can be helped. Do not let them put such false fear in you. If they…Wall Street, do not survive….so what. However, if my neighbors do not survive…there goes the neighborhood.
Together we can make the change we have been waiting for. Together we are many. Together they cannot stop us. Together we can save all and the country we love.
If left unchecked, I see the coming of a dark age. It will be modern and swift.
Disenfranchising the poor and middle class.
Women still fighting for their own bodies.
Superstition and Ignorance abounds.
Books destroyed.
Burning at the stake.
Dogma and war.
Property made worthless and then confiscated.
Debtor’s prisons
Torture.
What say ye? It is your country and your choice.
- POLITICIANS - “ For they pray continually to their saint, the commonwealth; or rather, not pray to her, but prey on her.” - Henry IV, Part I, Act 2, Sc. 1
As a person born and raised in St. Paul, I object to this part: "a far cry from the relative handfuls of Iraq war protesters who were kept on the periphery of the GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn., this summer."
Relative handfuls? There were thousands marching, parents with children, old folks, and the vast majority of them were peaceful.
It could not be allowed for this to unfold without attempts to distract and discredit, so there were young men dressed in black, with matching black bandanas around their faces (they were probably hired), causing trouble. There were preemptive arrests of groups who had a history of filming and documenting police brutality.
It's not that they were relative handfuls, but that they were so peaceful for the most part, and were so willing to follow the proscribed route, and the minorty of troublemakers became associated with the so-called anarchists -- many of whom were arrested in the preemptive raids.
Also, protest culture has learned to use tools of corporat culture, like email and the web: MoveOn, TrueMajority and others are manifestations of protest culture that has been creeping into the establishment.
No mention of the worldwide protests before the start of the Iraq war?
This article highlights all the wrong stuff.
I think you are on to something, PF. The press do not show up at public demonstrations. This breezily written article revisits a lot of cliches about protest movements and it seems that the author looked for protests after the big ones were over.
Also, his concern is with Wall Street, apparently. He wants a Wall Street protest, but then he talks about past antiwar protests.
He quotes Todd Gitlin, the media's favorite revisionist '60s historian. Chomsky would have given him a different story about the speed of the protest movement, forming before the Iraq war - something that didn't happen with the Vietnam war, which took a decade to get rolling.
-TIA
TIA: I'm glad you highlight the speed of the organization of the protest before the Iraq war. This was not organized by a rag-tag group of pot-smoking flower children, but by web-savy networking and an amazing sense of shared purpose. It came together too quickly, and in too many places, for any COINTELPRO agents provocaterus to have a chance of discrediting such a large and peaceful movement.
The RNC in St. Paul was another story. It was a single location, so it was not only the destination for many protesters nationwide, but a much easier target for "troublemakers" and a dramatic show of force with police in riot gear, with tear gas and pepper spray.
Friends who have spent time in Europe, and in France especially, often comment on how the government fears the people because of the power they routinely exhibit through organized (but usually peaceful) protest. Not here in the US. We have had too much propaganda, anti-union, anti-peace protester, etc. Too much push to "get behind the troops" once war starts. Too much TV, cable, video games, cell phones, texting, iPods, distractions. Too much money behind conservative talk radio. There should be more protest, but people don't even know history and their own constitution.
Perhaps, instead of standing on street corners holding signs (something I do on an average of about once a month, sometimes more), we should be going door to door with leaflets. If someone is a committed Republican, we should be giving them information on Ron Paul and the American Freedom Agenda, with their list of complaints about violations of the constitution by the Bush-Cheney administration (the AFA says we have not seen such abuse of executive power since the times of the Revolutionary War and the complaints against King George). If they're Democrat, we should be giving them Naomi Wolf's take on the same list and the steps toward dictatorship.
We are still protesting. Two or three, maybe six on a good day standing on the corner with peace signs once a week, for a year and a half now................Never give up.....
I salute those who actually do this, not sitting behind their computer screen writing passionate e-mails and blogs and THINK they are making a difference.
The so called progressives today are an exact copy of those made fun of in the movie "Life of Brian" by Monty Pythons. Go an watch it, those who believe you are up to something, see for yourself that your so called progressive "movement" is nothing but a joke that was laughed at almost 3 decades ago.
A real movement, solid and consistence is that can change the US, but with so many idiots on the progressives site, they are easily distracted and moving on to the 'latest' hot object than staying focused and standing firm.
Nice comments Matti:)! Way to go!
How many can just drop whatever they're doing, for instance like working, to go to a rally on a Thursday afternoon at 4:00 ?
How about calling a protest march for a time when more people can attend, like on a Sunday afternoon ?
Don't wait for someone else to decide to hold a"rally". Get out there with a sign! Doesn't matter where or when or even if you feel it is useless. That is what it is all about! Do it! Don't just sit there complaining that it doesn't fit your schedule! None of this is what we want to do...this is what we must do! We are all INDIVIDUALLY responsible for doing as much as we can. I'm so tired of this...will someone please take over for me!!!
It's a good question.
Part of it is fear, this country has obviously regressed in terms of freedoms, the demonstrations at the DNC showed that.
Lack of unity is another issue. People are polarized among racial, religous, sex and political lines. The draft unified the young.
Many are in denial, so long as they are ok, they are content in their illusions all is well.
The other issue is that many of the protests of the 60's were organized and financed by agent provocateurs. The purpose was to create the generation gap as they called it then to distract the middle age middle class from the coup that was taking place in America. They looked on in horror at the flag burning and violence and supported the war when they might not have otherwise supported it. These protests were covered widely in the media, prime time news.
Today, any protests are most likely just ignored by the media.
The educational system has done a great job of brainwashing the young and making them ignorant of history. Drugs like Ritalin dumb them down.
Fluoride and other chemicals make people docile and fat, and many would risk a heart attack if they were to exert themselves protesting.
"Where Have All The Protests Gone?"
1.) No draft.
2.) Fear.
3.) Apathy due to feelings of futility.
"Crack open a cynic and you will find an angry idealist!"
There's one very simple way to protest: stop using your credit cards. Pay them off as best and as soon as you can, then stop using them. Then spread any savings you can accumulate into multiple small accounts, so as not to give any one bank too much of your money. This is a direct action an individual can make, or at least work towards making.
Protest scheduled for tomorrow on Wall Street @ 4:00pm check out UFPJ website. Where are the people protesting? People do not show up to protests anymore because the are just parades. They do not make the participants feel like they are accomplishing anything. The reason is because nothing is being disrupted, no harm or disruption to business as usual. The cities or towns are notified make arrangements and the protesters are led from one designated point to another. Yeah Freedom! The ruling class can live with that kind of dissent. There is also no feeling that these events happening around us are real. They are some where else happening to other people and can not happen to us. "Too busy getting mine to worry about someone else, let alone make a sacrifice." Many people have not been affected directly by the war, Katrina and the financial disaster. That coupled with no left organizations, sectarianism, the governments effective propaganda against the left, lack of vision, the death of Marxism as an alternative, apathy, cynicism and the power of corporate Amerika.
How will protests work?
I've been involved in street protests and they were ignored by the government. Do people believe that with a larger protests our politicians will listen to our demands?
What if they don't? We have no further leverage to employ. People cannot afford the loss of wages a general strike would entail. Rioting will only provoke a reaction that will rush us further into a fascism. Most Left Wing people won't even commit to the minor action of withholding their vote from the democrats, for fear of allowing the republicans to win.
I certainly support protests, but I don't see them as movement, or anything capable of creating change. They are more like pep rallies for a game that is never played. So I'm really curious what everyone hopes to accomplish by taking to the streets, how will this be effective?
Oh, never mind.
Let's prepare fellow armchair activists, people a lot less educated and intelligent than us are going to bring the change you want. They are going to do it by blocking rods, slashing tires,breaking windows and setting fires. Then there will be mass imprisonements, more mayhem, and finally..........change...........Can you say GUILLOTINE? I knew you could............lizard
Of course you can protest! Let me show you to the protest pen..............................Baaaaaaaaaa....................lizard
People have been protesting for years.
The problem is that they are ignored by the media and / or ignored by the general populace who is having a difficult time just keeping afloat.
We need a new kind of protest. A general strike or a strike on paying your utility bills for a month or two.
If only 30% of the people would do this it would stop the whole system.
This would put the powers that be in a crunch as money is tight...even with the big players.
Believe me..it would get their attention!
The problem is...no one is willing to risk their electricity being turned off...which may or may not happen.
And
We need true leadership ... someone who would step up with some reasonable demands. Like impeach the current group of thugs in the White House and replace them with some citizen activists.
noone is willing to risk their electricity being turned off.
Exactly, that is why change will come from people who no longer have electricity................lizard
I couldn't agree with you more Lizard.
My friends who live very simply know more about what is really happening on a large scale than my millionaire friends who spend half of their lives in their cars or on the phone.
I have a hunch that when mother nature starts to shake , rattle and roll the people who live on the street or live in a rural setting will know how to deal with it better than most.
I just wish that we all would get over ourselves and start to pull together for the common good.
I'll be the lone torch bearer on this side of the argument to where have all the protests gone? The headline answer: Lack of Psychedelics in Youth Culture!
No one else posting seems to have picked up on this, although it was mentioned in the article. In the 60s, psychedelics were a polarizing force; within one trip, the casual fence-sitter became radicalized, as the felt presence of immediate experience brought forth the wisdom that your voice mattered, your choices mattered, your life choices mattered, your action counts!
Weighed against the stark contrast of the plastic lifestyle of their parents, wearing polyester and listening to Sinatra over cocktails, an agent like LSD broke open the doors to different mindsets, and offered more excited, untried realities and lifestyles to be pursued.
In modern context, college students need that mind manifesting push from natural entheogens to remind and hammer home the point that graduating college to work at a near-minimum wage job and being in debt for thirty years isn't necessarily the best life choice, while reinforcing positive ideals of different life paths.
I'm currently in Berkeley, where I witnessed a non-psychedelically informed student body walk in oblivion and apathy as the world's longest urban tree sit came to an end dramatically with the destruction of a wooded memorial grove in the name of cultural progress. While seemingly a minor loss in the world scheme of things, symbolically this is rather hard to swallow as one of the country's leading liberal progressive havens of higher learning is producing a culture of spoiled, sheltered, inactive students.
Cutting to the chase: to any benevolent people sitting on an old batch from the 60s of a few thousand hits, please be considerate enough to share this with the youth, as booze, weed, and a brainwashing TV culture aren't producing tomorrow's finest world leaders.
ergoat.....
I've eaten psylocibin with the younger generation and you know what they want to do? Play with their X-Box's while they are high. Watch a slasher flick-I kid you not; I made them put on Pink Floyd. It was night or I'd of dragged them outdoors.
There is no "revolution in the air," and the trip's primary influences are the user's expectations, what they seek and the environment.
LSD is an amazing molecule. It is a mirror for one's heart, a vehicle which ruthlessly and beautifully illustrates potential change within, and a manifest oneness without.
ergoat; do you recall a pyramid shaped LSD, green or purple, late seventies, early eighties?
Note: Comparing marijuana to TV and alcohol offends the Goddess Sativa, and her mate Indica. Beware.
Ha ha, I am 25, so I'd be apart of that "younger generation" (So, no I haven't seen any LSD from the 70s... I wish) but I find myself a rarity among my peers.
And I hope the goddess takes no offense; I wasn't making a comparison, but in collusion with alcohol and TV, as commonly used by many, I find weed to be not the mind manifesting agent as it can be with intention, in nature, in meditation, etc.
The internet is a meme, and electronic presence that surrounds us, but it reveals too many mirrors. Thus, a prime example of generational differences; an over-saturation of media.
And with that, too many choices, and stagnation of culture. Like the article states, the counter-culture has become mainstream (be it music, film, etc), and co-opted, so it's harder to find the genuine articles (which do still exist) in a sea of cultural flotsam and jetsam.
And the lack of a Timothy Leary figure makes a difference. A leader(ish)-type figure who shows up on mainstream TV constantly espousing the significant of the psychedelic spiritual experience, and to turn on, tune in, and drop out of mainstream society's dead-end games.
Could such a figure even exist in 2008? I see no likely candidates...
**************************** A MODEST PROPOSAL **********************************
I plan on voting for a socialist if he's on my ballot or else, if not, Ralph Nader.
However, if my only choice was either voting for Barack Obama or else voting for a *dead* John McCain ... frankly, I'd vote for the corpse.
I mean, let's face it, a dead John McCain will do far less harm than a live Barack Obama or a live John McCain.
(Follow me so far?)
Why wait for the inevitable? We all have to die, don't we? ... So here's my modest proposal. ...
Summon Dr. Kevorkian to the McCain campaign trail. Have the good doctor ease John McCain out of this travail of tears; then prop up ole Johnny-Boy, freshly-deceased and, why, by-gosh-by-golly, run that sucker for president!
In a heartbeat, the title of "lesser-of-the-two-evils" would switch from a live Barack Obama to a dead John McCain.
I mean, how much harm can a dead guy do???
Madison Avenue, ha! You think you're such a bunch of feency-schmancy-schmarty-pantsies, with your clever campaign slogans ... "CHANGE" ... "COUNTRY FIRST." ... Are you kidding? Forget about it. ... BOMB, BOMB, EMBALM, JOHN MCCAIN! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.
Then, once John-Boy is embalmed, get a good Republican taxidermist, stuff the mother f***** and tour the corpse around the country.
Book that sucker on Oprah!
Wheel that stiff onto the Jerry Springer Show! Nobody would lay a hand on him. How can you dislike a dead guy?
Tell me now, how many times have you dealt with a difficult person where, out of sheer exasperation, you felt like screaming: “GODDAMMIT, SHUT THE F*** UP! JUST SIT THERE AND DON'T SAY A WORD! Well, sir, there's your perfect candidate --John "Just-Sit-There-and-Be-Dead" McCain.
I guarantee you -- a dead John McCain in the White House would all but guarantee world peace and environmental sanity.
The same applies to Barack Obama. Either candidate would win in a landslide if they would just be willing to "run dead."
So, come on, John McCain. Or else how about you, Barack Obama? Just do it. JUST DROP DEAD!
Once cremated, a grateful nation will *sweep* you into office.
extremely funny...............lizard
John McCain has, in consultation with Cheney and Paulson et al., used the pretext of a national emergency to suspend his campaign. Bush will read their statement to the nation tonight. This is what coups look like in their early stages. This is how bourgeois democracies are tipped to fascist dictatorships.
The ruling class has crossed the Rubicon here. How can they go back now and say ok let's debate, let's vote? Even Obama presented them with too great a threat. No elections will be held. The struggle will take on a different character from here. Resistance!
Indeed that is the problem and it can be summed up with one word:
Baaaaaaaaaaa.........................lizard
In a word - censorship. Let Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich and the others, including Ron Paul and Bob Barr, enter the national debate. The ruling class has nothing to offer us but their two shabby candidate clones and a steel grip on the media. Censorship.
One monk stubs his toe in Burma and it is front page news in the US. Thousands, no hundreds of thousands, demonstrate, millions send letters and petitions in the US and there is no mention in the corporate or government controlled news. And that goes for the BBC in the UK.
Thousands are arrested at the DNC and RNC, including scores of journalists. There is rampant police brutality aimed especially at the alternative media, constitutional lawyers as well as major journalists and...not a word in the corporate media, not a word on the BBC or even the Canadian news. A single 'protester' can get worldwide coverage at the Olympics in China - Human Rights Watch screams about Venezuela...headlines report Loony Sarah Palin accusing the Persian people of planning a second 'Holocaust' and yet...not a word of the outrage of the American working people over the naked pillage of their future.
My word to the hacks in the corporate media and to the foot soldiers in our police state busy supressing and trivializing the people's anger: The ruling class is raiding your families' economic and social futures too. Propagandists rely on poisoned crumbs from the table of the titans; you are expendable to the elite. Police expect to retire on pensions which will soon be worthless in order to pay the bangsters. Military officiers expect their widows to be supported with rapidly devaluing stipends. When the enforcers of empire realize that they too will pay a huge price in a collapsing standard of living, that there is no residual productive economy to generate the wealth to bail out finance capital, that the printing presses will be churning out increasingly worthless greenbacks...there will be splits.
For now, its censorship.
Yes, it is censorship. And the people are ok with it...Now what?...........................lizard
The big mistake of the "protest movement" in the last 5 years or so has been to move away from a focus on Rights and Justice -especially in the economic and human rights realm- and switch to an Anti-war and Anti-Bush focus.
The Fair Trade, anti-WTO or IMF actions were building momentum until the police violence in Genoa in August '01 and then the lull in action after September '01. Then Bush began to propagate his Nazi-like aggressive and enless War on Terror and the mistake was made in reacting to it.
Don't like the idea of the Government using our tax dollars to bailout businesses that should be able to survive or fail on their own, that may even be complicit in the disaster that is killing them?
Remember what ELSE the Bushites did after Sept '01? Remember the recession? Remember the huge bailouts of the Airlines?
Its essentially the same: an industry bailed out of trouble (temporarily it turned out) with enormous sums of taxpayer money, with little or no oversight from, or debate in Congress, after a disaster that they and the Government were both responsible for.
Think I'm going to far with that last? Think I'm a "conspiracy nut"? I'm not, I'm talking about the Government's failure to respond -in time- to FOUR passenger airline jets going off scheduled flight plans at the same time. And I'm talking about the Airlines' failure to provide adequate security on their planes.
This is just one example from the period. What about the encouragement to "keep shopping"? And most importantly to our current Crisis, what about the ACCELERATION of financial and other market deregulation that took place at this time? What about the secret "energy task-force" meetings with the vice-president? What about the continued blatant cronyism and corruption between Government and Industry?
All of this was taking place as Afghanistan was bombed and the plans for Iraq were being formed, yet the momentum of the previous years after Seattle '99 was lost and we fell into the Trap.
The Trap of focusing our ire on War. The Trap of letting the most reprehensible, the most awful, and the most immediately harmful actions of te Bushites obscure the more pernicious and stealthy crimes from our view.
The Trap of arguing the Illegality of the War to people who idolize Cops and despise Lawyers.
The Trap of arguing for Peace to people who revel in violent games and succumb to the urge to violence every Saturday night at the bar.
The Trap of arguing the Inhumanity of the War when it is far away, harming mostly a strange people rarely seen on Television.
The Trap of arguing the Price of the War when so few have died, and those hidden from us, carried home in the dark of Night.
And finally, the Trap of arguing the Injustice, the Wrongness of a War that could be so easily justified to ignorant people who have a fresh dose of fear blasted by the Cathode Ray into their brains while sitting on the sofa eating dinner every night.
We fell into this Trap, and now we face the consequences.
I don't bring this all up as a rebuke. I merely wish for us to look back and belately realize the mistake that was made.
That way we can Learn and be more Wary in the future.
Have Fun,
-matti.
"The Trap of arguing the Inhumanity of the War when it is far away, harming mostly a strange people rarely seen on Television."
"The Trap of arguing the Price of the War when so few have died, and those hidden from us, carried home in the dark of Night."
"...look back and belately realize the mistake that was made."
Matti opens his mouth and tripe falls out. And its 'belatedly,' of course.
On September 12, '01 there were hundreds of letters being written and signed by hundreds of academics, scientists, psychiatrists, psychologists, theologians to not overreact, to not start a war, but to think.
One day, boy.
Take your audacity out of your argument and you have no words.
The prior two comments are nothing more than childish ignorance.
It isn't traps, its pens. As in sheep.........lizard
Protest? PROTEST?
Obama & the left's "spokespersons" in the media support him, so what's there to object to? Right?
He's gonna solve all this...right?
Why should anyone protest? Or, vote for anyone who's sane at this point, like Nader, or Paul? Certainly no need to include anyone like THEM in the debates...right?
Right, Michael Moore?
Right, Editors of The Nation?
Right, PBS & NPR?
Right, all the rest of you democratic hacks?
Well, guess what folks, you're about to get your big chance for "Change".
We're all ready to watch this show unfold.
Popcorn time!
I just came back from a trip to town, everyone is talking about this financial crisis. The sad truth is that very few cared that their government was murdering and torturing innocents abroad, constantly lying, dismantling their civil liberties, etc. etc. over the last 7 years. Just kept their heads in the sand, not our problem, just kept shoppin and mowin the lawns. If I brought up the war or torture or misuse of gov. contracts, blah, blah, I was met with blank bored stares.
Suddenly realizing their precious money may be at risk. Whaaat? Waht's goin on Jimmy? Those bastards are trying to steal our money's what. No way! that ain't right. Go wake up Shirley.
And so a sleepy populace slowly awakens from a dull stupor, but, ut oh, too late. The parties over and your house is trashed.
actions speak louder than words people. I have posted this to many times, get out of the basement and into the steets.
McCain has suspended his campaign. Bush speaks to the nation tonight. This is how coups look in their early stages. This is how bourgeois democracies die. Prepare to resist. Talk before the internet goes down.
Get a grip, man!!!
Well no coup, it is not needed, or it already happened, take your choice. I hear that Obama and McCain will issue a joint solution to the problem they created. If you guessed that their solution involves doing what Bush wants, you would be correct.
Anyone notice that the people that were warning America about deregulation for years, and were right, are not being asked to testify before congress? …And that the “solution” is being proposed and implemented by the Obama/McCain advisors that created this situation?
I also hear that McCain is proposing suspending the campaign and the debates, or changing the subject of the debates. Shouldn’t be a problem as the corporate party has complete control of them anyway.
Absolutely!!!!................lizard
You have to protest at local levels first. Find people who are against bad shit such as wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc ... and unite with others in your district(s) to take it up with your reps and even senators. The more people do this in their local districts, the more they can do it statewide, and the more states that team up, the more they can hit Washington D.C. And then the corporate/military/religious monied elites will be forced to spend more or back down. This is how the NRA (National Rifle Association) became a VERY VERY VERY VERY POWERFUL, or shall I say the most powerful, lobbying force they are. Just showing up in DC or at a convention isn't enough.
Find people? Have fun with your group of five..................Make really big bill boards or noone will see you................lizard
And that's why you LOSE when you write off local support !
The Huffington Post article "Welcome to the Final Stages of the Coup..." by Larisa Alexandrovna (http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/21-0) provides a very interesting perspective. In this article, she provides a link to an extreme-right bulletin-board where NRA life-members openly proclaimed that they would gleefully take to the streets (heavily armed, of course) to kill protesters. Read the exchanges here: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/273901.php
Knowing that these kinds of people exist is sufficient to keep most thinking people from exerting their rights as laid out in the First Amendment.
The NRA operates on all levels, from local all the way to federal. The pro-peace movement only does it on federal levels and maybe a few big cities such as San Francisco. Code Pink does have offices set up in many states but they're not learning to reframe the issue to convince more people out of war. The NRA knows how to frame and they're always dead set on getting their ways. The pro-peace movement needs to be dedicated and quit giving up too often.
Opposition to Vietnam brought a public unity to the many disparate protest groups of the 60s. The draft recruited protesters among the young. The bewildered media helped to project an image of unity among protesters in order to create the product that they sell: a “story.” This apparition of unity fueled the reaction that brought Nixon to the presidency and it is evoked time and again by the right giving their extremists an ever stronger grip on the GOP and weakening the ability of Democrats to resist.
There were also pictures on the tv at dinnertime of dead and wounded US military in Vietnam. People were doing "multitasking" in the 60's:civil rigthts work for some and protesting against the Vietnam War. Not a whole lot of people interrupted their regular lives in the 1960s. (Percentage) And the Republicans like to falsify it as "smoking dope",etc....Of which there were some. Do remember the community organizers.
Wait a minute, What are you guys talking about. When the people are really pissed they are heard. Look at the proposed Trillion dollar bailout of the financial system. Congress was ready to rubber stamp it and all of a sudden their seceretarys bust into the Congressman's office screaming "HOLY SHIT!, we just got 10,000 faxes and emails from pissed-off voters and the switchboards are jammed with more pissed-off voters. Now, my dear CDrs Congress is putting up some resistance to handing over a Trillion $ to Hank and Ben to spend any way they want. See you it works? If the people (voters) really care about an issue they raise hell and Congress listens. The people don't care about Iraq, Iran, lost civil rights, lost civil liberties, stolen elections, refugees, people starving, disease or any of that other stuff that happens to other people but, MAN you touch my wallet I am enraged and engaged.
Yep..they listen..just like all the smoke and mirrors sub-committees that investigate this and that and go no damn where! They'll listen and then they'll give them what they wanted in the beginning...the people be damned.
What's dangerous is all of us, and however many other millions, sitting in front of computers and teevees rather than gettin' the hell out in the streets of your hometown. Not Washington, L.A., Chicago, but every bloody town, and raise a sign, a flag, a smile, high into the air. Then vote for someone you think is honorable, even yourself, instead of the corporate duopolists we are force fed by Wall ST. Now go!
Which street are you out in? Let us know, then any of us who are close could come join you.
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The Left is completely divided among itself. We have lost the concept of "solidarity" which does not mean "only with people who you deem 100% agreeable".
The 2 largest anti-war groups in the country are the A.N.S.W.E.R. "Coalition" and "United" for Peace and Justice. They won't even sit down to have a meeting with one another because of petty disagreements.
When I voted for Nader in 1996 and 2000, I did so because he explained again and again and again why he was running: to build a 3rd party, namely the Green Party. This election, Nader is running AGAINST the Green Party, splitting the radical vote and insuring that neither he nor the Greens will make a dent. Why did he leave the Greens? "Infighting" in that party, ironically enough.
Then you come to sites like CommonDreams, and the most virulent, angry attacks are reserved for fellow progressives. Half the posters seem like they just scroll around looking for someone who dares point out that Obama is better than McCain, so they can call them a fascist and prove their "more radical than thou" cred. It's not productive.
Even in the articles, critiques against Democrats are much, much more bitter and angry and frequent than the critiques of the Republicans. I'm as frustrated and angry with the spineless and complicit Democrats as anyone, but the fact is that half of the voting population simply does not take it for granted (as we do) that the Republicans are worse, and more activist energy should be leveled at the Republicans.
"Then you come to sites like CommonDreams, and the most virulent, angry attacks are reserved for fellow progressives."
Welcome to the left. It's always been this way. The result: Richard Milhouse Nixon and George Walker Bush.
"Why did he leave the Greens?" Nader was never a member of the Green Party.
Nader was candidate for president twice under the green party banner. What do you mean?.................lizard
OK, you replace Republicans with Democrats that are just as bad. BTW, I notice that you do the same thing most Democrats do, which is that you blindly assert that Obama is better than McCain, and you imply the Democrats are better than the Republicans. But I am struck at how the Democrats never back that up with any details.
So, is the candidate that Wall St has bribed with $20 million better than the candidate they've bribed with $18 million? Do you really expect anything different if you elect the guy with $20 million of Wall St money in his accounts?
Here is why its so important to concentrate on the Democrats. We know the Republicans are going to represent the rich and corporations. In any democratic system, there is always a party that represents the rich and big business. In America, that's the Republicans.
The Democrats used to offer an alternative. The Democrats used to represent farmers and labor and consumers and people who didn't want every natural resource raped and pillaged from the earth for profit. Once upon a time, the Democrats represented these people and thus provided a counter-balance and an opposition to the Republicans. Even when the Republicans had the upper hand, there were limits on what they could do because there was an opposition.
But that changed sometime around the late 80's or the early 90's. The Democrats saw all the money the Republicans had, and decided they wanted it to. So, the Democrats changed the way they campaign away from the sorts of