WASHINGTON - House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers said his panel will explore a variety of George W. Bush controversies, including manipulation of prewar Iraq intelligence.
Rebuffing Dennis Kucinich's calls for impeachment hearings on George W. Bush, the House Judiciary Committee instead will hear testimony about Bush's "imperial presidency" and several of his administration's scandals.
In a press release issued Thursday, Rep. John Conyers, House Judiciary Committee chairman, said his panel will explore a variety of Bush controversies, including manipulation of prewar Iraq intelligence, politicization of the Justice Department, and refusal to cooperate with congressional investigations.
But the Michigan Democrat also left little doubt that the committee's review was meant to fend off demands from Rep. Kucinich that Conyers initiate impeachment proceedings against Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.
With impeachment ruled out, it's unclear how much the Judiciary Committee's inquiry can accomplish, given Bush's broad assertion of executive privilege when his subordinates are faced with congressional questions about criminal and other wrongdoing.
Conyers's committee faced just that dilemma earlier Thursday when former Attorney General John Ashcroft refused to answer an array of questions about his role in decisions regarding warrantless wiretaps and harsh interrogations of detainees in the "war on terror."
In effect, President Bush keeps broadening his claims of executive privilege - even citing it Wednesday to cover testimony that Cheney gave in 2004 to a federal prosecutor about his role in exposing a covert CIA officer.
Bush knows that Democratic leaders, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers, have long ago rejected impeachment proceedings, the one instrument included in the Constitution for Congress to wield against a President who has abused his powers.
With only six months left in his term, Bush can easily wait out any court challenges to his privilege claims, cases that might take years to litigate.
Nevertheless, in announcing the July 25 hearing, Conyers said his committee would address "possible legal responses" to Bush's "imperial presidency."
"As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, I believe it is imperative that we pursue a comprehensive review commensurate to this constitutionally dangerous combination of circumstances. Next Friday's hearings will be an important part of that ongoing effort," Conyers said.
Abuses on display
Among the topics cited by Conyers for the hearing are:
- The forced resignation of nine U.S. attorneys allegedly because some balked at politically motivated prosecutions.
- The misuse of the "unitary executive" theory, which involved Bush's presidential signing statements to negate laws passed by Congress.
- The abuse of the government's powers to investigate and detain U.S. citizens and to harm administration critics, including disclosing the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame after her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, challenged Bush's use of bogus intelligence to justify invading Iraq.
- The assertion of executive privilege to prevent Congress and the public from overseeing the administration's actions and decisions.
Kucinich, D-Ohio, cited those issues and others, such as sanctioning torture and invading Iraq under false pretenses, as part of his 35 articles of impeachment, which were introduced in June.
The House sidetracked Kucinich's resolution by voting - 251-166 - to send it to the House Judiciary Committee. At the time, Kucinich said he expected Conyers to hold hearings within a 30-day deadline Kucinich had imposed, but Conyers chose not to act.
Kucinich rankled Democratic leaders last week when he stated that he would reintroduce impeachment articles if Conyers and other top Democrats tried to derail his efforts.
Last week, Conyers told Congressional Quarterly that his committee's actions will be limited to a public hearing.
"We're not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it," Conyers told CQ.
While continuing to rule out any attempt to oust Bush, Conyers said Thursday he was alarmed by many of the President's actions.
"Over the last seven plus years, there have been numerous credible allegations of serious misconduct by officials in the Bush administration," Conyers said. "At the same time, the administration has adopted what many would describe as a radical view of its own powers and authorities."
Responding to questions about Kucinich's impeachment resolution, House Speaker Pelosi told reporters that "this is a Judiciary Committee matter, and I believe we will see some attention being paid to it by the Judiciary Committee. ...
"Not necessarily taking up the articles of impeachment because that would have to be approved on the floor, but to have some hearings on the subject."
Before Election 2006, Pelosi declared impeachment "off the table," in part, to avoid alarming centrist voters. Now, with Democrats hoping to gain additional seats in Election 2008, a similar political calculation applies, fearing a backlash against a last-minute drive to impeach Bush and Cheney.
It wasn't disclosed who would appear before the Judiciary Committee, but Kucinich said one interested party is an unidentified foreign official.
"I've been contacted by representatives of a U.S. ally who are seeking an opportunity to appear before the Judiciary Committee," Kucinich told CQ.
"Legislative leaders of a foreign capital" have a "new angle that I haven't thought of before but is relevant," he said. "This interest in whether we've been told the truth has extended to other countries."
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Show AllWhen lawlessness becomes the norm, than it will be through lawlessness that the law will be restored. When the people have had enough, they will take matters into thier own hands. It will be messy, we better have an idea what to do.
What a bunch of traitors. Bush and his gang will probably never be impeached, and our civil liberties will probably be flushed down the drain as well. Our Congress is a joke and most of the members should lose out in the coming election. And they know it and are probably scrambling to fix the next illegal election. We are losing our freedom every day until there will be none left.
lisa3210peace and ezeflyer, two clueless voters who for the life of them would never understand that having Obama or McCain in the White House will result in the same disaster.
Wall Street is favoring Obama over McCain 2 to 1, that alone should tell a 5yo that Obama is a corporate WHORE waiting to stab Americans in the back, but not these naive fools lisa3210peace and ezeflyer. Follow the money for God's sakes.
Obama has no intention of withdrawing from Iraq, he'll leave as many troops as necessary to protect American interests in the region for the next 50 years. It'll be a presence similar to the ones we have in 130 other nations, only larger.
Only a fool at this point will see a significant difference between the preacher and John McCain. Oh I forgot, we ARE a nation of fools.
TupeloGreens July 24th, 2008 2:37 pm writes Vote for Cynthia McKinney: Change that will really happen.
-maybe not right away but at least we can start building up an alternative to the two party duoploly.
Congress sez: "Can we stop pretending we give a shit already?"
We need to find some way to get these corrupt mofos out of government before the country implodes.
Easier recalls? A box in each category on ballots that signifies none of the above? Term limits? Pitchforks and torches?
Only the Green Party and Nader support impeachment. Obama says it's "off the table." McCain doesn't know what it is.
Vote for Cynthia McKinney: Change that will really happen.
John M. Wages, Jr.
US House Candidate, MS-01
www.VoteJohnWages.com
"Imperial" is one way of putting it. "Lawless," "Totalitarian," and "Fascist," are also accurate descriptions.
Dear John Conyers Jr.,
Thursday, Rep. John Conyers, House Judiciary Committee chairman, said his panel will explore a variety of Bush controversies. We have explored,and explored, and explored. We don't need to explore any more. The president has publicly admitted to crimes that warrant impeachment. The next step is to impeach. Nancy Pelosi's reasons of taking impeachment off the table, are obscene. Your statement of," We don't have the vote,"does not make sense. How in the world can you predict how people will vote before the facts are laid out. Most of Congress was apposed to the impeachment of Nixon, until the facts were laid out. Your statement of, "We don't have the vote", is a week one, and you know it. What is the real reason that you are refusing to do your job. Are you afraid? Do they have a gun to your head. You couldn't be doing this, because you think you are helping the Democratic Party. You are not that stupid. So Why? The truth will come out sooner or
later. Better for you and the country that it comes out sooner. We need to move the country in a better direction, and that better direction must stare with impeachment.
Perhaps there IS a way to initiate impeachment proceedings. The Constitution be damned. Just get someone to offer Pelosi a big enough tell-all contract, and she might just come clean about her 'darker moments' under Bush's desk. After all, it worked for Monica. got Bill's impeachment off to an 'explosive' start. And you know how the media can't resist juicy sex scandals. Sure, most of Congress has plenty of dirt. But the President- that's different. So, it's my guess that it was Speaker Pelosi- in the Oval Office- with a magnifying glass. And stay tuned as SC-51 will be invoked after Iran closes Hormuz in October.
Conyers has never been anything but a passive observer of the Bush-Cheney crime ring. The same goes for Pelosi and Reid. This is unequivocally the most impotent Congress in US history. They've played dead for 7 tortured years, and where is the pwogwessive actually dumb enough to think they're going to suddenly begin doing anything that matters to stop these master criminals? They should ALL be impeached, but then, they'd have to impeach themselves, hence they've found a way to protect themselves forever from charges of having stood by passively as BushCo has trashed the Constitution, waged illegal wars for oil and power in the ME, whittled away at civil liberties and basically flipped the bird at all world opinion. Conyers is as responsible as Pelosi, Reid and 98% of the rest of the complicit assholes in Washington. Including Obama. And us? We're stuck with these fools and crime-abettors. There's no one else to vote for to continue the mad spree Bush has set the country on, unless we opt for the usual third party non-solution, throw in with .001% who'll vote Nader or McKinney, or write in Kucinich. May as well write in Daffy Duck. This system is uniformly, decidedly fucked.
You don't have to vote third-party to scare the heck out of the Dims and the Repulsives. Just change your registration to Green (not Independent, that does no good). If the Dims would see their registration start to dwindle, maybe they will start to be concerned. You can still vote for Obama if you want to; just start by changing your party affiliation.
It ain't gonna do squat to change things, but for the record and history it is a necessary first step so two cheers for what is finally going forward.
In polls as recent as the first week of July indicate that the majority of those asked favor impeachment. So, what we have here another example of the elite Washington insiders thinking they no better then the people..
I think it nothing more then they are protecting their own skin.. The democrats have supported many of Bushes policies from the outset and are concerned that they also might be held responsible..
Conyers did a complete turn around on impeachment.. He stood in front of crowd a few years back and said "we can “fire†them".. Now he is towing the democratic elites line. Boy, they slapped him to line real quick!
The only honest one in the whole bunch, that seems to really care about our democracy, is Kucinich.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
What if on election day, only 20% of those elegible to vote went to the polls to elect the set of politicians preselected by the owners of this country...
What if the recruiting stations only got 20% of those needed to fight the wars for the benefit of the owners of this country...
What if only 20% of the holders of usurious debt and bubbled-up mortgages decided to keep paying for their enslavement to the owners of this country...
What if only 20% of the possible viewers turned on the TV to receive infomertials masquareding as news and filth masquareding as entertainment...
Why, then, that would mean that billions of dollars spent daily on brainwashing was for nought!!!
Propaganda has but this purpose: to have people submit in good grace to an increasingly intolerable situation.
" We come here not to praise Ceasar, but to cover for him!" - John "Brutus" Conyers
First and foremost, the American People are complicit in the failure to impeach. Pelosi will be reelected and Conyers will be reelected. San Francisco and Detroit could not be more different, yet they are the same on this matter. American's are not up to the job of sustaining a Democracy. The Democrat's, the party that failed to impeach, will be swept into office in the upcoming elections and a massive celebration of decline will follow. Hope is being dashed and all that is left to do is observe the end. It was predictable. A Nation born of unrepentant Genocide had no soul to guide it.
ezeflyer; you are right. period.
A non-Obama vote is a McCain vote.
Maybe someone can give me the directions to Utopia, otherwise, it's all about the Lesser-of Two-Evils all day long; bike or car, wal-mart or not, volunteer work or bottle of Chardonnay.
Life is nothing but imperfection and compromise.
Note; Nader. NADER LOVERS; GET RALPH TO DIVEST HIS HOLDINGS IN RAYTHEON/CLUSTER BOMBS. Makes you all look IDIOTIC.
Before considering the crimes of the Bush administration, I think John Conyers should show a two-hour film on the mating habits of boll weevils, along with larval infestation and how it's all a threat to modern agriculture.
If that doesn't enlighten the House, how about reciting a monologue on the problems of ergot, peanut farming and flesh-eating rabbits. Or maybe a diatribe on the formulation of a new Monroe Doctrine for the Middle East, plus a discussion on Yahoo stock fluctuations.
Next, Conyers could speak about the tensile strenght of steel girders at 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and round it off with a declaration that August will henceforth be declared "National Polar Bear Appreciation Month" (and so forth be entered into the Congressional Record, without objection, so agreed).
He will no doubt field questions about why the Constitution is hanging in the men's room of the Hart Senate Office Building, and there will be a friendly bipartisan rant over design elements on convention bags and who gets the best corporate tchotchke and hookers.
Finally, the next four months will be devoted to a philosophic discussions on the relativism of a coin toss, and would the flap of a butterfly's wings somewhere, a fart in an elevator or a vote for the two parties (with allowance for malfunctioning voting machines), lead to real change, provided that John Conyers gets to keep his chairmanship of the House Judiciary Committee.
Look, this is all hard work. Quit your griping. You just don't know how Congress works. No one reads the bills anymore, so just grow up and send some money to the DNC - heck, even send it to the RNC. It's all one. Or write a check to Exxon-Mobile. We just don't care, so buck up!
I have been a Green Party member since the Green Party was founded but I'm voting strategically. Obama and Greens, Progressive Dems and Indys in safe states. By voting for Nader and McKinney, great as they are, you will be electing another Bush/McCain/Repug administration and starting WWIII.
Nader and McKinney could join an Obama administration as Attorney General, Supreme Court justice or other high post instead of getting nothing plus a McCain Republican horrorshow. But we first have to get Obama elected.
Juliania July 23rd, 2008 10:41 pm I am switching to the Green Party
-me too
I am realizing that being an Independent means nothing in the corporate duocracy - each big party can claim our allegiance (falsely.) In order to clarify my position I am switching to the Green Party. I urge all others to do the same.
for those that think this is going to be resolved by any congressional action to protect the american citizenry against the crimes of bush and any other "elected" official for crimes against the people and the middle east (and who knows what else they've done that we dont know about) is sadly mistaken...
once power is achieved thru corruption and the breaking of laws and those that have gotten away with it... will never allow to be removed from power...
power corrupts absolutely and all that jazz...
you all honestly think that this guy… that has been breaking just about every law known to this country in reference to rights and the constitution that he's just going to lay down and get his comeuppance?
you honestly think that every politician that is just as guilty because of their inaction due to premeditation or inattention is going to actually do their jobs?
nope... not going to happen...
bushco has been giving himself powers to allow for this type of govt to happen forever... and what will happen to you or i that protest? why there'll be a cushy fema camp waiting..
here's some interesting math...
the terror watch list... aclu says its a mil and counting... but DHS says... oh no not that big... its onllllyyyyyy 400,000 names on it...
so okay..... lets give them that number....
so purported number of fema camps? 800 around US
individual fema camp occupancy level? 5000 ppl (no weight restrictions)
800 x 5000 = 400,000
coincidence?
oh and for those that are starting to grow on the list because everyday another "citizen" wakes up to the nightmare of the death of the constitution... “they†have designated several military outposts for the purpose of converting to a fema camp....
watching the farce that is our presidential campaign... obama can do no wrong and mccain can only complain...
do you think that mccain is really concerned? of course not... because either way... mccain wins... and status quo marches on... obama wins.... and status quo marches on.... but just in case the horror that the old-ected officials fear the most... that an independent may win.... why then a convenient flag attack (refer to 9/11) will happen and ppl wont be rounded up to these camps... they'll go willingly because thats where the MSM will tell ppl… thru their emergency broadcast system to go for help...
this is not a test!
and then the gates will be shut and those within will be asked... for or against the status quo? the answer will determine whether you will get the “blue†pill or the “red†pill… welcome to the matrix...
and for those that were smart and avoided the fema camps.... may survive to tell the tale... but not without some serious fighting… hiding or both...
its an incredible scenario isnt it... some that cant admit that our govt is truly that evil and corrupt as to be capable of this will say that its impossible because our constitution prevents that from happening...
for those that still hold onto this fantasy of hope… please refer them to the judiciary committee investigating "IF" bush & co committed any crimes... when the rest of the world already knows the answer...
i say.... lets all be wevy wevy quite... dont say a word until he's out of office... and then find a local DA's office that would be willing to issue an arrest warrant for bushco and lets try them in civil court..
what executive privilege can they hide behind then?
murder does not have a statute of limitations right? and that will send a clear msg to any politician after the nightmare of bushco… you guys were punked…
ah cant you read the headlines now: US not as stupid as politicians had thought!
our trouble is that we insist on playing by the rules of justice and democracy… sometimes you have to fight fire with fire! lets start figuring out ways to outsmart them… that’s the only way we’re going to beat them! we can come up with catchy names to... we can call it the opossum strategy!
"The Dems do not represent us. The Dems do not represent our interests. A ‘win’ by the Dems is not a ‘win’ for us."
And a win for Repugs is?? Because that's what we'll get by not voting for Obama. Voting third party in safe states only is our best strategy. Bombing CD is theirs.
"It is truly mind-boggling that the Democrats are laying down and playing dead here,"
It is, but look at how many people on Common Dreams will do the same by voting for Obama.
I can't help but wonder what these people who advocate voting for the lesser-evil would do in an election between Bush and Cheney.
Bush is sending us back to the Declaration of Independence.
It's obvious that Bush, Cheney, et al have gotten away with murder and many other crimes. My only hope is that when he retires in Paraguay, he meets the same fate that Somoza, the Nicaraguan dictator, met when he fled there.
Thanks for trying Dennis.
What was it the old Indian chief said? "Heap big smoke but no fire. Him talk a lot, but him not so hot."
;)
We'll all die of old age before the Dems do anything to hold the Chimp and his Rethuglican cohorts accountable for their hundreds of lies, crimes, and treasonous misdeeds. The Dems wouldn't want to upset their friends across the aisle.
They wont do anything to bush/cheney and company because they are all guilty of treason.
They have created the largest spy network next to the 1930 Germany SS and they can't controll it, they are afraid.
It will be up to the American people to uncover the truth and stop this take over of the Elite using the Law enforcement agencies sworn to protect the Constitution.
It will take the truest of Patriots in these agencies to step up an tell the truth, save the constitution, and arrest the traitors.
BornFreeMen
Conyers-- pre-2006 elections, speaking about president Bush at a large anti-war rally in Washington D.C.: "He can't fire you. He can't fire me. But we can fire him!" Who else remembers that?
Conyers--now: the Bush administration has been committing crimes for the last seven years, let's hold a hearing to get to the bottem of this.
Conyers, apparently the Constitution is as meaningless to you as it is to the Bush regime.
It's difficult for me to fathom exactly what good Conyers and the leaders of the Party of Judas think this blatant farce will accomplish. It's not like they're even pretending to take it seriously; it's as if they're just hoping that humoring or pacifying Kucinich will get this nonsense out of his system.
I honestly can't imagine anyone of sound mind finding even a scintilla of virtue in this empty exercise. Oh, I'm sure that some hysterical optimist will claim that this glass is half-full; there are a few in every crowd.
But for the rest of us, the charlatan Conyers is simply pouring Mrs. Dash into the wound.
"What with electronic voting machines and paperless trails… how to get rid of the corruption and crap that is now our national shrine to incompetence."
Step one ... vote for independent candidates that are not corporate-bought. You can easily identify them as they will be the ones that you only see on corporate TV when they are being ridiculed and smeared.
Step two ... don't just go home after voting. Instead, every single person who votes against corporate rule should gather at their local city hall. The key is to make it very, very obvious from the size of the crowd that we won no matter what the voting machines (and more importantly, the VOTE COUNTING MACHINES) say.
If there is a town of a hundred thousand voters, and there is sixty thousand people gathered outside city hall saying they voted for real change, it will be hard for the machines to claim otherwise.
People in the rest of the world know that sometimes you have to fight after the election for the results to take place. Americans need to learn to do this as well.
Claudius...
"From what I have been told, they do not want to lose the momentum and so they are willing to sweep this mess under the rug so they can get elected."
This is exactly the core of my argument. The Constitution gives them a DUTY to perform. Our freedoms and liberties are based on dividing power between three co-equal branches of government, and then making sure that each branch has checks and balances to restrain the others.
What the Democrats have done is basically say that they are willing to sacrifice this, which in tern sacrifices all our protections from a runaway power-hungry government, in order to gain a temporary political advantage.
I believe that such behavior is close to treason, as they are willing to sell our constitution, our freedoms, and our liberty down the river to grab power for themselves.
Plus, each member takes an oath at the beginning of each session of Congress to 'uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic'. This is an oath of office to the American people. They put their hands on a bible or otherwise solemnly swear to do this duty.
That they would shirk this duty for a short-term political advantage is disgusting, its treason against us, and in my mind it completely disqualifies them from holding any public office of power and responsibility.
curmudgeon ... its so much simpler than that.
Back in the late 1980's, the Dems abandoned the model of the party they'd been using since FDR. Instead they shifted to a model exactly like the one the Republicans had been using of relying on big bucks from contributors and then consultants and big ad campaigns during elections.
Of course, in becoming reliant on big bucks contributors like the Republicans have been also made the Democrats need to deliver the goods to those contributors just like the Republicans.
So, its not secret spying that 'scares' the Democrats into inaction. Its the very basic fact that the Democrats represent exactly the same constituency of big bucks contributors as the Republicans do.
Note very carefully that Reid and Pelosi openly promised there would be no impeachment months before the last election. They did not do that for the voters. The voters had long been signalling support for impeachment IF Bush had broken the law. Instead, that was a promise Reid and Pelosi made to the big bucks contibutors in order to fund the 2006 campaign.
Since then, they've simply delivered on that promise.
The key is to realize that they don't represent us. They lie to use to con our votes from us. But they represent the people who fund their party. They don't have to be blackmailed into doing that. They've willingly agreed to do that to get the money into their bank accounts.
I can't stand our Dems, Reps or Progs much longer. Is this all some attempt to wreck our country by keeping everything up in the air so that we can no longer find out anything. We can't trust our leaders, banks, our churches. This must be the chaos theory that some people prefer. We can't even find out anything in court because apparently everybody has executive privilege including congress-persons.
What a crock!
The approval rating of this Congress is down in the single digit range one normally associates with Darth Cheney.
The key is to realize that these policies and decisions are very unpopular with the American people. So, the Democrats are not doing this because of a lack of popular support. Instead, follow the money, follow the hundreds of millions of corporate money flowing into Dem party coffers, then you'll understand why the Dems do this.
The Dems do not represent us. The Dems do not represent our interests. A 'win' by the Dems is not a 'win' for us.
What a load of bull from the Democrats.
The key point to take away is that its the Democratic leadership that is blocking any move towards impeachment. Since there is clearly evidence, including Bush's own statements, supporting impeachment, its clear that the only thing propping up Bush and Cheney and keeping them in power to the end of their term is the Democrats.
The Democrats are clearly willing to shirk their duty and their solemn oath to the nation, but instead just want to score a few cheap political headlines. No one should ever vote for a party that is so willing to sell the country down the river in exchange for a grab for political power.
I tried emailing Conyers via his web site. It wouldn't go through. I just got an error message. I tried emailing the Judiciary Committee and it wouldn't go through. When I clicked on the send button nothing happened. Coincidence?
Hey folks there can be no justice because they are all guilty. Why else would they be hiding any REAL investigation that may expose something.
If you do not vote third party you will just be supporting more of the same.
Dennis, stay off private planes.
jlocke123: 'Wow! They have found a “substitute†for the constitution'
Of course. The US Constitution is arguably the greatest achievement of the Enlightenment, a period emphasizing humanist and universalist principles. These are like the crucifix and holy water to the capitalist vampires of today. The US Constitution is the stake in their hearts - and they know it.
Blowback's a bitch. Impeach the bastards. Then send them to the Hague.
I posted this email I just read, came while I was out from the ACLU, WordPress wouldn't allow me to post on this article, now I can. This administration Is MFIN nuts, Psychopaths and Kidnappers TORTURERS. WTF???
action@aclu.org is where you can find it.
They are giving Dennis 5 minutes, on Friday.
_______________________________________________________________________
Dear ACLU Supporter,
Here they go again. On Monday, Bush’s Attorney General, Michael Mukasey, called on Congress to take dramatic steps to subvert the Constitution.
Mukasey is demanding that Congress issue a new declaration of war that would make the entire globe -- including the United States itself -- a “battlefield†where the president decides who will be locked up forever.
Instead of ending the Bush system of injustice, he wants Congress to make it permanent.
Tell Congress to reject the Bush/Mukasey plan to subvert the Constitution.
Not only has Bush’s Attorney General called on Congress to issue a new declaration of war, but he is also asking Congress to:
1. Gut habeas corpus -- the freedom that protects people from being thrown in prison illegally -- with no help, no end in sight and no due process.
2. Cover up the Bush administration’s systemic torture and abuse of detainees. Judges would not be allowed to see evidence of torture and abuse and would instead simply have to trust that a president is holding the right people as â€enemy combatants.â€
With only five weeks left in the congressional schedule and only six months left in the Bush presidency, Mukasey’s power grab should be laughed out of town. But, given this Congress’ track record, the Mukasey proposal is no laughing matter.
Tell Congress to reject the Bush/Mukasey plan to subvert the Constitution.
Too many times, we’ve seen Congress cave in to the most outrageous Bush demands for out-of-control powers: The Patriot Act. National Security Letters. The Military Commissions Act. The Protect America Act. And, most recently, the congressional sell-out on FISA.
Four times the Supreme Court has rejected the Bush administration’s efforts to design a war on terror system of injustice that defies the Constitution and mocks the rule of law. In the past, the administration has responded, not by respecting the Constitution, but by counting on Congress to legitimize its indefensible conduct.
There is no way we can let that happen this time. Even as the House Judiciary Committee investigates whether high-level Bush White House officials may have committed crimes of torture and abuse, the Bush administration has the arrogance to ask Congress to give it the power to detain people without trial and hide torture and abuse from the courts.
Tell Congress to reject the Bush/Mukasey plan to subvert the Constitution.
We can’t take for granted that Congress will reject the Bush/Mukasey plan. We have to meet this outrageous proposal with an immediate wall of protest that says to Congress: “Don’t you dare.â€
I urge you to join defenders of freedom all across the country in raising your voice against Attorney General Mukasey’s dangerous proposal.
Thanks for speaking out,
Caroline Fredrickson, Director
ACLU Washington Legislative Office
P.S. You can read a blog post from Christopher Anders, ACLU Seinor Legislative Counsel, on the Bush/Mukasey plan to subvert the constitution here.
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Malcolm X had a name for guys like Conyers and it started with "house ......"
Sounds like Conyers is a bought out, pathetic, un-American patiot. Was he bought out, intimidated, blackmailed, or compromised? Was he pragmaticaly enticed by other ELECTED reps to tow the line and enbrace the powers that be?
Campaign pledges are obviously BS to hold fantasy POWER.
I like the reasoning that inaction is due to ALL congressmen have been eavesdropped on AND have been blackmailed into inaction on abuses of power and coerced into support of Cheney/Bush shredding of the constitution.
For those of you out there who wish to research this opinion please do so; and then share it with as many of your friends as possible.
Impeachment Proceedings are simply a manner in which to eject an unwanted politician from office. They have no real meaning, no real value as a threat to offenders such as this administration who is laughing at all of you this very moment because you would even entertain such a thought as impeachment.
After their terms expire, they will all retire to their "ranches" or for some others move into high paying jobs with the industrial powers they did all of these favors for. Nothing of any real meaning will have taken place except that a "few" Americans will think that "justice has been served"---even after those convicted would receive pardons from the next president---whomever that would be.
True justice cannot possibly be served without these members from the top to the middle, that is the President's cabinet present and past members, as well as the high level military officers who participated in these illegal wars of aggression----be handed over to the world court for trial as WAR CRIMINALS------in the same manner as Karadzic was just this week.
All of the other "high crimes and misdemeanors" they have committed from lying to the public to rigging court cases against their opponents, are simply small petty crimes. Unless compared to the War Crimes Commissions definitions: then these people are "Master Criminals"
Their "place in history" would remain some what in question, until the next generation takes up the banner and teaches the "revisionist story" of their "hardships" while they did so much for the American people. They could even end up with their images on currency like Grant who over saw the most corrupt administration of the 19th century by many accounts. If convicted as the War Criminals they actually are, they would spend the rest of their lives either in prison, or "living under a bridge near you".
Anything else short of that would be a mockery of justice.
But then when you take American history into consideration they have been mocking justice for their entire history.
Nothing the Americans do surprises me any more; nor the rest of the world I would think.
The irony of all ironies of history will be that a people who could take so much from so many, become the most powerful people on the planet and then collectively be so naive and gullible. It is amazing to me.
kane51,
In addition to the reasons you have listed, this is an election year for the Dems and they feel they have all the momentum in their favor, especially with Dubya's low approval rating and McCain's endless gaffes. From what I have been told, they do not want to lose the momentum and so they are willing to sweep this mess under the rug so they can get elected. Where the action will take place is when enough voters gather and relentlessly keep the pressure on politicians and the media. Change will have to come from the people. We no longer can trust our Congress to serve us. It only serves the wealthy. The adage "the best Congress money can buy" is a very appropriate one. We either need to replace these people with others who will do their jobs or overhaul the system or strongly encourage people to vote third party.
What took these idiots so long? After 7 years of incessant butchering of our constitution by Bush, his c*cksuckers, the Democrats, now decide to do something about it.
Too little too late. Does anyone really believe that impeachment will happen simultaneously with the presidential campaign? Democrats are a f*cking disgrace to this nation. Corrupt, criminal, complacent, deceiving.
This will be political theater at its worst. Not worth the price of the popcorn.
kane51 July 23rd, 2008 3:50 pm
Right now I am starving for answers.
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Here's the newest information regarding Bush spying (it's a blockbuster) and continuity of government.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/07/23/new_churchcomm/
P.S. Even the most liberal and openminded on this site probably aren't ready to know/accept the actual reason our government has turned into a mob family. Hint..think "Black Projects", really really "Black Projects" esp. new technologies.
You’re dragging your feet, John!
Won't someone please raise him up
so that he can more freely
twist in the wind!
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush lies to start War with Iraq
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush illegally wiretaps entire country
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush/Rove/Republicans steal yet another election
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush tortures and renditions innocent people
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush illegally wiretaps entire country
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush turns his Signing Statements into Law
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush's EPA doctors climate change reports, global warming accelerates unabated and in 100 years over 1 billion people die.
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush threatens Iran with War
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- Bush starts War with Iran and WW3 breaks out
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,†Conyers told CQ.
- John Conyer's kids and grandkids among the millions being held in Blackwater's Private Prisons denied Habeas Corpus and tortured daily for over five years.
"Why didn't I do impeachment?"
- A sobbing John Conyers from beyond the grave 100 years from now
"NEW ORLEANS - The Federal Emergency Management Agency asked a federal judge Wednesday for immunity from lawsuits over potentially dangerous fumes in government-issued trailers that have housed tens of thousands of (black) Gulf Coast hurricane victims."
I'm sure that Hitler's Germany was immune from lawsuits over 'dangerous fumes' in government issued showers.
Right now I am starving for answers. It is truly mind-boggling that the Democrats are laying down and playing dead here, throwing us only a milkbone of a hearing to answer questions about "controversies" in the Bush Administration. Tailcap nailed it by pointing out the semantics here. Not crimes, but "controversies." This is incredible.
So, I want to know why. Last night Keith Olbermann had constitutional law Prof. Jonathon Turley on, and he is usually right on the money. He told Olbermann it was astonishing that Congress has not begun impeachment hearings with the plethora of evidence that abounds. Turley said that unless Congress acts, the real truth of what has been happening these last eight years will be lost to us forever.
But even Olbermann missed the mark last night. At that point, he had the perfect opportunity to ask Turley, "So, in your opinion, WHY isn't the Democrat-controlled Congress choosing to abide by the Constitution and begin impeachment hearings?" He didn't ask, Turley didn't offer. It seems that our MSM will go only just so far...dip the toe in the water, and then run away for fear of getting really wet.
I generally don't look for the boogeyman under the bed in every issue, but I am at a loss to explain why this is happening. CD'ers have offered many theories about it, but I want more than theories. I want to know the truth. Where have all the real journalists gone, that will help us sort this out?
So what's the reason? Is it that the Dems are truly complicit in some of these crimes, or is it that they are being blackmailed? Or has some dark, secret deal been made between both parties' leaders, to deliberately keep us in the dark and preserve their own positions?
And, by the way, I often bypass jcrumb's posts because they are difficult to read and often a bit disjointed and hard to follow, but I read the one on this thread, and his
"Continuity of Government" theory is as good as any others that have come up.
This is completely crazy. Are Kucinich and Wexler the only ones left in Congress who think the Constitution is worth preserving?
The clock may be ticking,
but on the face
of it,
it is all circular logic.
You begin at midnight
and by 23:59 + 1
you begin at midnight.
Aint none of you
chickenshit motherfuckers
including me,
gonna do shit
to change
the course of time.
Like the galactic pinwheel
we ride through the universe
blind to the next cycle
oblivious of the last.
george and dick
may step down or not,
the corporate fix is in
and it's all about the money
baby.
Diebold and election central
have rigged the results
and recounts don't count.
It's all about the money,
tell the truth,
you can be bought and
so can I. And once I get mine
FUCK YOU...!!!
It's "The American Way"
The next depresssion will make
1929 look like a picnic.
There is no sense of community
no sense of shared responsibility
no love for one's neighbor.
When it comes to gasoline
groceries and cigarettes,
ammo, auto parts and accessories,
heating oil, corn oil and bread
don't come knocking
on my door,
or you might get shot...!!!
And don't send your baby,
your baby's moma, or your
granny looking for a handout.
You shoulda known better,
it says it in the fine print
Social Security can be revoked
by congress and the president
at any time.
You happy now....????
Didn't think so, dumb assed 'mericans always bitching about somethin' you think you can fix...
Independent voters now constitute the largest segment of the American electorate. According to the American National Election Studies at the University of Michigan and Stanford University, independents made up 38 percent of the electorate in 2004. In swing states like Florida, the number of unaffiliated voters has more than tripled since 1994, while in Pennsylvania and North Carolina, the number has increased threefold. In New Jersey, unaffiliated voters now make up 58.7 percent of the electorate. The Democratic and Republican presidential candidates are ignoring the widespread desire for fundamental change, paving the way for a third-party candidate to lead the charge for transformation.
http://www.indianagreenparty.org/node/60
Someone pointed out the other day that if you vote for Democrats after seeing what spineless, traitorous collaborators they are, then you are equally spineless.
I was told that Conyers was having an affair and that's what they are holding over him.
The Democratic Party would rather win elections than protect and defend the U.S. Constitution. Rep. John Conyers, at a time when Democrats were the big underdogs, came out with a plethora of egregious crimes committed by Bush and Cheney. But now that the Democrats have an opportunity to be the big boys on the block, impeachment becomes unacceptable. In other words, it's just OK with Democrats if the US Constitution is trampled upon and shredded. The Democrats, just like the Republicans, use the US Constitution as a political football for their own ends. All they care about is the power that comes with the office. Folks, if you think Obama is going to be different, better than McCain, Hillary, Bush, or Cheney, then perhaps that hookah with its progressive bowlful you have been inhaling needs to be set aside so you can see clearly. Run Ralph. Run!
"Rebuffing Dennis Kucinich’s calls for impeachment hearings on George W. Bush, the House Judiciary Committee instead will hear testimony about Bush’s “imperial presidency†and several of his administration’s scandals."
Why cannot the Committee accept Kucinich's Resolution, which was formally read into the Congressional record? Is there a legal/Constitutional reason for this, or is Conyers just being a pr*ck?
The electorate thinks America has gone in the wrong direction. Both President Bush and Congress are at close to record-low levels of popular approval. Large portions of the American people do not think the political system can be fixed. The two major parties are unpopular and the electorate is polarized, as they have come to believe that neither side is willing or able to address important issues. The voters want change.
The electorate does not want simply a change in leadership; for the Democrats to take over the White House or the Republicans to take control of Congress. Rather, they want something new and different; they want an independent candidate to run for president. A Washington Post/Kaiser Family Foundation/Harvard University survey in the summer of 2007 found that 58 percent of voters said they would seriously consider voting for an independent in 2008. Furthermore, in recent polls, 60 to 80 percent of registered voters say they want an independent presidential candidate in the upcoming election. The 2008 presidential election offers an unprecedented opportunity for the right third-party ticket.
http://www.indianagreenparty.org/node/60
As many of us, such as Glenn Greenwald, now know, more than a handful of Congressional Democrats will never support impeachment because such hearings would expose their complicity, along with that of most Congressional Republicans, in the many war crimes, violations of international law, and violations of our Constitution committed by the Cheney/Bush administration.
These treasonous members of Congress who have chosen their political careers over upholding the oath they took to "protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic" have betrayed that Constitution, their constituents, and what remains of our democratic republic.
After we email and call them to tell them this realization, we should then refuse to continue to vote for them. Any member of Congress who refuses to remove war criminals and traitors to our Constitution is her/himself complicit in those war crimes and violations of U.S. law. Such politicians are clearly no longer fit to serve in Congress and should be voted out and replaced by true representatives of our laws and citizens. The only threat they understand is the threat of not being re-elected.
This move by the Democrats is nothing but politics for November. The object will be to paint the whole Republican Party as pariahs.
If it is successful, it will be a greater accomplishment than trying to impeach Bush, and perhaps look like fools in the process.
Besides, it is much too late for them to redeem themselves on the issue of impeachment.
Cedar,
Anybody who votes Green or Nader or not at all is helping to elect McCain.
The main reason Democrats are opposed to impeachment is because they are complicit in the crimes of the Bush Administration. Along the criminal way the Republicans have outwitted the Democrats by informing them of what they are up. The Democrats are compromised. They are utterly hopeless.
Rebuffing Dennis Kucinich’s calls for impeachment hearings on George W. Bush, the House Judiciary Committee instead...
-how predictable
In a press release issued Thursday, Rep. John Conyers, House Judiciary Committee chairman, said his panel will explore a variety of Bush controversies,
-key word: controversies, which unlike Kucinich's articles are not impeachable offenses
Conyers’s committee faced just that dilemma earlier Thursday when former Attorney General John Ashcroft refused to answer
-Democrats are spineless cowards
In effect, President Bush keeps broadening his claims of executive privilege
-if you were dealing with a bunch of cowardly weaklings wouldn't you do the same?
Nancy Pelosi and Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers, have long ago rejected
-Democrats have enabled and emboldened Bush to do as he pleases knowing he will not face any consequences
“We’re not doing impeachment, but [Kucinich] can talk about it,â€
-Talking about it might convince a sap to vote for Democrats falsely believing they are finally standing up to Republicans
With only six months left in his term,
-nice, let the clock run out you bastards
Among the topics cited by Conyers for the hearing are:
-you mean whitewash, absolutely nothing will happen to anybody
The House sidetracked Kucinich’s resolution by voting - 251-166
-notice Democrats don't support impeachment
Conyers chose not to act.
-Conyers is a typical Democrat and a coward
The good news here is that this is taken from the Pakistan Daily, which means that SOME people in South Asia and the rest of the World should see that at least ONE member of the U.S. government knows how awful Bush and his policies are.
That actually give me a little hope.
I wish the Article has included the polls showing majorities "For Impeachment if it is shown Bush and Cheney committed crimes".
That would have really demonstrated that the People in the U.S. are against all the recent B.S. but are manipulated, muddled, and finally ignored by their "leaders".
-matti.
Action Alert For Friday At Grassrootsnetroots.org/impeach.cfm
"Whic calls for?"
"Mass rallies this Friday at the district offices of every congressperson."
"What good will that do?"
"Depends.
"Upon what?"
"The turnout?"
"If it's low?"
"Nothing gained."
"If it's beyond our wildest expectations?"
"We'll force the House Judiciary Committee to vote for impeachment."
"And then what sort of world?"
"Empowered by having brought this about, it'll be up to us."
"A little less conversation, a little more action please; All this aggravation ain't satisfactioning me"
I've lost all faith in this corporate dictatorship - I'll vote Green.
kucinich, you're the man!
I'll bring the tar. You bring the feathers. Let's go to Washington and have an old school get together.
dakinirise July 23rd, 2008 2:24 pm:
-“Only a few Judiciary Democrats understand that the Founding Fathers gave Congress the power of impeachment as the only way to stop a President from defying the Constitution and becoming a dictatorâ€
Why don’t progressives invite them into the Green Party?
Awww..JEEZIS!...WHAT is WRONG with these swine?
I am starting to believe..paranoid though it is..that there is..a "Secret" that..the CONGRESS knows, and is somehow.."legally" bound to NOT DISCLOSE!
I am thinking this..because it seems..almost..like they CAN'T go after these Scumbags..it really does..the LENGTHS they are going to..in order to..essentially..PROTECT BushCo from their own responsibility to investigate, and or, PUNISH...it is becoming OBVIOUS even for Government..i mean more and more there is an OPEN and..abundant..dislike for the American people by it' "representatives"! They have become so..baltant about NOT doing what they said they would do..what they were "elected" to do..etc...BUT THIS? This is going..to SUCH EXTREMES...becoming..SURREAL in it's desire to PROTECT these people from even DISCUSSING what they in fact did..it is ODD..
So...WHAT do they "know"?
I believe it is C.O.G.!..Continuity Of Government...the "Shadow Government" and Congress to a CERTAIN extent KNOWS...some do not..or care more for the LAW and the CONSTITUTION then for the Fascist Boilerplate Hairsplitting of a bunch of MORALLY CORRUPT and Spiritually bankrupt..and AMAZINGLY EVIL "lawyers"..Kucinich I believe..hs in fact ALSO been making alot of noise about the..'paper work' regarding C.O.G. and specifically to WHAT degree..EXACTLY..is C.O.G IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW? Are we in fact NOT really being governed by the Constitution? this is..believe it or not..an actual question that is part of the package of questions that,again I do believe it's Kucinich, is asking....and I am beginning to think..this might have SOMETHING to do with what is happening....or NOT happening as the case may be..
I do not know..of course..but there is SOMETHING going on behind the doors..and it is MORE than just good ol corrupt power politics..it HAS to be..Congressmen and Senators do NOT care how the NATION votes..thy do not even really care how the STATES vote...they O care about how their DISTRICTS vote and what they can do for their friends etc..and..they DO care about being RE-ELECTED...it is a weird contradiction...but there it is...so again...this BLATANT..AMAZING shw of..well.."WEAKNESS" in the face of their "Mandate" from the voters...is definitely going to hamper a good number of relection efforts...can it just be that they simply are SO arrogant that they think they'll get back in after all of this? I don't think so..yeah..arrogant like no one else..but they KNOW what happened to the Repugnicans...they watched it happen..so they are aware..SO? again..WHY go to such EXTREME lengths to protect..a LAME DUCK PRESIDENT in his last year in office? WHY? it makes no SENSE AT ALL!...got to be a "reason"...and it is going to be "dark" ...WHY? why do this? WHY?
Fuck em all...and feed em fish heads...
Oooh here comes the Dems to save us all!!!
"We the people" have been divided and conqured by the lords of war and corruption. Like it or not, We the people are the problem because we are so divided and distracted on so many fronts. There is no unifying event that can effectively counter the forces of evil that now dominate our nation and world. Like it or not we have all been swept into the black hole of oblivion, we are each of us now part of the problem and there are no more solutions.
You can't complain that they didn't use enough petroleum jelly, they greased us up pretty good before sticking it to us....
"Squeal like a pig, boy"... Deliverance
Check out Democrats.com for actions you can take to call & fax Judiciary members that need to wake up and defend the Constitution and hold this administration accountable NOW.
They are: John Conyers (MI14), Artur Davis (AL07), Bill Delahunt (MA10), Zoe Lofgren (CA16), Jerry Nadler (NY08), Linda Sanchez (CA39), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL20), Bobby Scott (VA03), Betty Sutton (OH13), and Mel Watt (NC12).
Only a few Judiciary Democrats understand that the Founding Fathers gave Congress the power of impeachment as the only way to stop a President from defying the Constitution and becoming a dictator, as Bush has done: Robert Wexler (FL19), Tammy Baldwin (WI02), Steve Cohen (TN09), Keith Ellison (MN05), Luis Gutierrez (IL04), Sheila Jackson Lee (TX18), Hank Johnson (GA04), and Maxine Waters (CA35).
It is crucial for all of us - now over 500,000! - to tell our Representatives today to support impeachment by cosponsoring Kucinich's H. Res. 1345:
http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/142
And if you can do more, please make free calls to every Judiciary Democrat who opposes impeachment through CauseCaller:
http://www.causecaller.com/causes.php?c=House_Judiciary_Democrats_Impeac...
Simply enter your phone number and click the "Start Calling" button. (Click "Call me back if I accidentally hang up" in case you hang up by mistake.) In a few seconds, your phone will "magically" ring and CauseCaller will say the name of the first Representative on the list. Listen carefully for the name of each Member so you can repeat the name to the receptionist - or just say "The Representative." Don't hang up between calls - let the receptionists hang up and CauseCaller will dial the next Representative.
We cannot give up on this! Call or fax now.
Energy goes where attention flows, so let our actions magnify the necessity of real, consequential impeachment hearings
Conyers and other dem leaders cite all the misconduct and abuse of power but won't seriously do anything about it. Did cheney lay a manilla envelope on his desk as well with incriminating evidence of some sort?
Unbelievable that probably 70% of this country and 99% of the world know that bush and cheney should be ousted or jailed, yet they continue each day to abuse even more power. Can't (or don't want to) imagine where this will lead by the end of the year.
Just waiting for someone to lay that manilla envelope on cheney's desk.
It's time to fire all of them - Repubs and Dems!!
Wow! They have found a “substitute†for the constitution. Perhaps it is separate but equal.
That’s right, it wouldn’t do to take any actions that smack of “retributionâ€, as one of the Republican talking points would have it.
The Democrats will pretend to hole hearings and their colleagues the Republicans will try not to be laughing too hard at this inside the beltway joke.
Meanwhile many of you will pretend that giving them your vote is change you can believe in.
With all due respect, the most we can expect from virtually every well-meaning "progressive" are statements like, "You're dragging your feet, John!"
What is now off the table, fell to the floor and is now being swept under the rug....
Politics as usual in the "Empire"
What with electronic voting machines and paperless trails... how to get rid of the corruption and crap that is now our national shrine to incompetence.
Too bad all of the Jedi's were wiped out during the clone wars....
Peace, KCT
You're dragging your feet, John!