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It’s hard to keep Alabama out of the news. Two of its recent newsworthy events deserve attention. The first is its attempt to improve on the Beason-Hammon Alabama Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act, a 76-page statutory creation as remarkable for its length as for its content that was designed to rid the state of illegal immigrants.
Marchers protest abama’s immigration laws (Photo: Creative Commons / Flickr: SEIU)
As drafted, the Act prohibits anyone from giving an illegal immigrant a ride to church (or any other place for that matter). In addition, illegal aliens may “not be permitted to enroll in or attend any public post secondary education institution.” Both of those provisions, among some others, were blocked by a federal court whose decision is being appealed. The proposed revisions slightly soften some of the harsher provisions. Among those softened is the protocol to be followed when a law enforcement officer stops someone. Whereas the original legislation required a law enforcement officer to determine the immigration status of anyone stopped by the law enforcement officer for any reason, the determination is now only required if a person is “lawfully arrested or is issued a traffic citation. . . .” Mysteriously, the amendment adds a provision that says when an arrest or citation is issued to the driver, the officer may also inquire as to the citizenship of everyone else in the car even though none of them has been issued a citation or been arrested. Someone smarter than I can explain the logic of that.
Another change is to the provision that requires that schools determine the citizenship status of all children when they enroll. As originally enacted, that determination was not satisfied by asking the children on the first day of school to raise their hands if they were illegal immigrants. The law required proof of the child’s status together with detailed provisions. All those will be replaced by a requirement that the Alabama State Department of Education “compile a report that calculates the estimated annual fiscal impact of providing free public educational services to those Alabama public school students who are the children of, or in the custody and control of, aliens believed to be unlawfully present in the United States.” A student of the legislation could be forgiven for failing to understand how the State Department of Education can figure out the “annual fiscal impact to the state” of educating illegal immigrants without finding out who is and is not an illegal immigrant. Lest the illegal aliens become nervous, however, the legislation tells them they need not be. It specifically says that: “Under no circumstance does the Legislature intend to deny anyone the opportunity to receive a free public education in Alabama’s public educational system. Nor does the Legislature intend for the provisions of this section to discourage anyone from accessing a free public education in Alabama’s public educational system.” There are a number of other changes made but since the Bill is now 83 pages long those who want more information should read it for themselves. The other event of significance is the return to the judicial scene in Alabama of Roy Moore. Roy is the former Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.
Roy first gained notoriety in 1997 when he was a state circuit court judge. In his courtroom he hung a hand-carved wooden plaque of the Ten Commandments because, one assumes, he could not remember what they said without prompting from the plaque. He refused a higher court’s order to remove the plaque and then-Governor, Fob James, said he would call out the national guard, if necessary, to prevent the removal of the plaque. The plaque remained. In 2001, Judge Moore was elected Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. Within 6 months of his election he supervised the construction and installation of a 5,280-pound granite monument to the Ten Commandments in the central rotunda of the State Judicial Building. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling ordering removal of the monument. When Chief Justice Moore refused, the Alabama Court of the Judiciary removed him. The monument left the rotunda and was placed in a back room. That was in 2003.
The news from Alabama in March that accompanies revisions to the immigration bill is that unless the unexpected happens, Roy will soon once again be the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, having won the Republican primary in that state. Jurisprudence in Alabama has lots to look forward to. During his prior tenure he wrote a concurring Alabama Supreme Court opinion in a custody battle involving a lesbian mother in which he said that homosexuality is “abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature’s God. ” Homosexuals in Alabama were “presumptively unfit to have custody of minor children.”
It is too soon to say whether or not Roy will be elected. His opponent is Harry Lyon, a criminal defense lawyer who has reportedly unsuccessfully run for office 10 times. He is also said to have once publicly joked that illegal immigrants should be publicly executed. Were that to become Alabama law the Beason Hammon Act would be superfluous. Whichever candidate becomes the new Chief Justice Alabamans won’t have much to brag about.
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Show AllThe resurrection of Roy Moore.
And ignorance rises yet again.
Just another reason for a separation of church and state.
I would not live in the south? People in the south are a different breed of cat.
In 1977 I photographed a billboard outside Morgan City, (deepest darkest Louisiana), which read, "Join the Resistance, Support Your Local FBI". I am not making this up. Nothing has changed. Today, parishes work closely with Homeland Security and have staff liaisons on the payroll. You don't see that in my neck of the woods.
"Whichever candidate becomes the new Chief Justice Alabamans won’t have much to brag about"
Has Alabama ever had anything to brag about?
"Has Alabama ever had anything to brag about?"
Sheepherder... My wife is from Alabama!
Thomas Gilbert- (LOL)
This is even more embarrassing than the activity of the legislature and governor in my state of Arizona!
The significance is breath taking. It is not as though this is just a few wing-nuts in a legislative body. The majority of the voting citizenry put them there - in both states!!
Never mind the separation of church and state. Maybe we need to think about separating Alabama from the rest of the states.
To hell with the intolerant, misinformed and stupid assholes that want to pretend that the North is superior. I personally hasdn't seen segregated schools and neighborhoods in 40 years till I went North. There are few Hispanic illegals in the North so anyone speaking of the problem that lives there is blowing it out their ass.
I am sick of the bigotry, the self congratulatory and self gratifying attitudes of anyone that is stupid enough to make ignorat remarks about groups, regions or ethnicity.
Though witout a doubt a roadside sign from 34 years ago would certainly be proof enough for the unbiased.
I'm not unbiased at all! There was a billboard in Pasadena, TX, in the early 70's which read, "Nword Don't Let the Sun Set on Your Ass in this Town". I wonder if Barbara Bush ever saw the sign. Reason I ask is because of her comment, "I hope these people don't get used to living like this', in the Superdome after Katrina.
Prejudice and bigotry are multi-generational. You must be a southerner. I thought the Yankees were a baseball team until I lived in the south. I would never live in a Gomer state again. Nowhere is the Bubba mentality more self-evident than in red state politics.
I like to pick on the dumb ass southern rednecks and comment to that effect on CD. Truth be known, the problem is more widespread. If you look at the election results maps of states, (Romney vs Santorum), you will see that Santorum won most all the rural areas and Romney won the cities. The rural people all over the US are the real red Gomers with the gays, guns, God and guacamole mantra. They are in all the states. WA's rurals vote (R), the cites vote (D). NV is the same. WI is the same. PA the same. NY is the same. The difference is that in the red states even the city folk vote to the right.
"I am sick of the bigotry, the self congratulatory and self gratifying attitudes of anyone that is stupid enough to make ignorat [sic] remarks about groups, regions or ethnicity."
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Physician, heal thyself.
Your post is so full of spelling & grammatical errors that you ought to think twice about speaking out against ignorance. Perhaps you might recall the Biblical adage that advises you to remove the board from your own eyes before casting about for others' errors
One example:
"self gratifying attitudes of anyone that is stupid enough to make ignorat remarks about groups"
And another:
"Though witout a doubt"
Plus there are several others. Could this represent your newest screen name, MightyMite?
Bingo!
See: countermarch (10:26am)*
This is exactly what I said the other day. These guy's [sic] aren't fooling around.
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* http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/14
Still taking pleasure in correcting others spelling are we Siouxrose?
And still tripping about other "screen names" too?
But quoting the bible on hypocrisy, while committing it yourself...?
Yeah, we all have our shit don't we?
Zupan,
Where is the hypocrisy you speak of? Are you referring to spelling errors or the use of multiple screen names? Are you suggesting Siouxrose uses multiple screen names? Or, are you suggesting she makes multiple spelling errors?
You are charging Siouxrose with hypocrisy in the context of this discussion thread. For this to be true, with regard to the use of multiple screens names, you must prove that Siouxrose, while using multiple screens names, accused another poster of using multiple screen names. If you can prove your claims then Siouxrose would indeed be a hypocrite.
If your charge of hypocrisy is based on spelling... Siouxrose attempting to correct the poster's spelling while employing the use of misspelled words ... your charge of hypocrisy would not stand even if such were the case... stupidity perhaps, but certainly not hypocrisy. (I will note here that Siouxrose has been accused of many things here on cd but I personally don't recall anyone accusing her of stupidity).
Where is the hypocrisy in this context? Present your evidence....
Thomas Gilbert-
I don't know, nor care, whether Siouxrose uses another screen name.
I do know that she has accused me and others of this "strange charge."
So be it.
But no Dante, I don't accuse "her" of stupidity. I actually enjoy reading her well reasoned points on this site.
But if making her point can not be done without her seeing that she is being blatantly disrespectful---than yes, she is a hypocrite. And guilty of the same charge (not seeing the beam in her own eyes) that she labels others with (ignorance).
Either ignorant, or just plain mean.
Nonetheless, I want to again thank her for "correcting" me on an earlier post.
Not for my spelling so much, but for waking me up to my own (meanness and) disrespect towards others opinions.
And I'll keep working on my spelling Siouxrose.
Sincerely.
Zupan,
You certainly "cared" enough to accuse Siouxrose of hypocrisy. In my opinion you have not supported your charge. There is absolutely no hypocrisy in the comment posted by Siouxrose.
Did you get the humor in her post? I can assure you, Countermarch did.
Thomas Gilbert-
Countermarch,
Well, I guess no one is going to accuse you of not being a loyal son of the south. For what it is worth, I like the south also.....
Thomas Gilbert-
The election of judges is an invitation to injustice. The commitments they make to get elected are toxic to the rule of law. Successful candidates should be shot.
It is hard to determine which state's mentality is affecting the other state's mentality, texas or alabama. If it has not anything to do with football, people in alabama couldn't tell you who the first president of this country was. Texas, well they sure seem to be shutting down the science departments on a daily basis, and school in both states are churches.
Well, ol' Roy likes the Ten Commandments 'cause it's right there that homosexuality is a sin....10th Commandment..."Thou shalt not cover thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant...nor his ass."
Too funny, CS!
Bill in Dubuque
These are race based laws. I do not see how these laws will do anything to stop illegal immigration from Ireland or Canada to the United States.
The pots love to call the kettles black. And so it goes.
It so happens that I live in Decatur, Al....home to the guy that put this law together.Micky Hammon is a racist...and the people that helped put this together fit the mold. It is unfortunate that this law was passed...it was business that brought the Mexicans here as they work hard and they are a "cheaper source of labor". After they left, the tomatoes were rotting in the fields and I do believe that the chicken industry really got hit.
So, what does this say about Alabama? I am from NY originally and have lived in China, Philippines,around the world twice with my business.I have found that the Cantonese don't waste anytime in not liking the Manchurians and the Manchurians don't like the Mongolians etc..this is the human way. It has always been that way. One can not legislate love for thy neighbor. Israel has been legislating that you are not allowed to be "anti-semetic", no matter what they do to the Palestinians, Turks, etc.
I have found that in Alabama, the black and white workers here work side by side and have a good relationship....better than let us say in NY and Detroit, Philly and other towns up north. Maybe it was because the eye of the nation was glaring down on the state....but whatever it was I find that there seems to be a good spirit of getting along.
Alabama has its issues, but so do all states. I have lived in NY, Vt, Mo, Tn, NJ,Pa and they all have their red necks, white trash, and black gangs. I have found racism in all the states. So we can be critical of Alabama but please realize that there are great people in the state... Harper Lee and many others......E.O. Wilson, one of my favorites, was born in Mobile and graduated from Decatur High school (although he is not mentioned here because he is an atheist they say)...
There are a lot of people in the state that are against idiots like Roy Moore and aghast that he was re-elected. We are very unhappy with the laws that have been passed against the Mexican workers. The law is absurd. What ticks me off is that if they were not invited here by big business they would not have come to the state to make a living. The laws have also been passed in Arizona and other states...so lets not just condemn this state. As chessgames56 says the pot calls the kettle black.