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The Push of Conscience & Secretary Clinton
It was not until Secretary of State Hillary Clinton walked to the George Washington University podium last week to enthusiastic applause that I decided I had to dissociate myself from the obsequious adulation of a person responsible for so much death, suffering and destruction.
I was reminded of a spring day in Atlanta almost five years earlier when then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld strutted onto a similar stage to loud acclaim from another enraptured audience.
Introducing Rumsfeld on May 4, 2006, the president of the Southern Center for International Policy in Atlanta highlighted his “honesty.” I had just reviewed my notes for an address I was scheduled to give that evening in Atlanta and, alas, the notes demonstrated his dishonesty.
I thought to myself, if there’s an opportunity for Q & A after his speech I might try to stand and ask a question, which is what happened. I engaged in a four-minute impromptu debate with Rumsfeld on Iraq War lies, an exchange that was carried on live TV.
That experience leaped to mind on Feb. 15, as Secretary Clinton strode onstage amid similar adulation.
The fulsome praise for Clinton from GWU’s president and the loud, sustained applause also brought to mind a phrase that – as a former Soviet analyst at CIA – I often read in Pravda. When reprinting the text of speeches by high Soviet officials, the Communist Party newspaper would regularly insert, in italicized parentheses: “Burniye applaudismenti; vce stoyat” — Stormy applause; all rise.
With the others at Clinton’s talk, I stood. I even clapped politely. But as the applause dragged on, I began to feel like a real phony. So, when the others finally sat down, I remained standing silently, motionless, with my eyes fixed narrowly on the rear of the auditorium and my back to the Secretary.
I did not expect what followed: a violent assault in full view of Secretary Clinton by what in Soviet parlance were called the “organs of state security.” The rest is history, as they say. A short account of the incident can be found here.
Callous Aplomb
As the video of the event shows, Secretary Clinton did not miss a beat in her speech as she called for authoritarian governments to show respect for dissent and to refrain from violence. She spoke with what seemed to be an especially chilly sang froid, as she ignored my silent witness and the violent assault that took place right in front of her.
The experience gave me personal confirmation of the impression that I had reluctantly drawn from watching her behavior and its consequences over the past decade. The incident was a kind of metaphor of the much worse violence that Secretary Clinton has coolly countenanced against others.
Again and again, Hillary Clinton – both as a U.S. senator and as Secretary of State – has demonstrated a nonchalant readiness to unleash the vast destructiveness of American military power. The charitable explanation, I suppose, is that she knows nothing of war from direct personal experience.
And that is also true of her husband, her colleague Robert Gates at the Defense Department, President Barack Obama, and most of the White House functionaries blithely making decisions to squander the lives and limbs of young soldiers in foreign adventures — conflicts that even the top brass admit cannot be won with weapons.
The analogy to Vietnam is inescapable. As White House tapes from the 1960s show, President Lyndon Johnson knew that the Vietnam War could not be “won” in any meaningful way. Nonetheless, he kept throwing hundreds of thousands into the battle lest someone accuse him of being soft on communism.
I had an inside seat watching Johnson do that. And I did nothing.
Now, with an even more jittery president, a hawkish Secretary of State, General David they-injure-their-own-children-to-make-us-look-bad Petraeus, and various Republican presidential hopefuls – all jockeying for political position as the 2012 election draws near – the country is in even deeper trouble today.
No one on this political merry-go-round can afford to appear weak on terrorism. So, they all have covered their bets. And we all know who pays the price for these political calculations.
This time, I would NOT do nothing.
My colleagues in Veterans for Peace and I have known far too many comrades-in-arms and families whose lives have been shattered or ended as a result of such crass political maneuvering. Many of us know far more than we wish to know about war and killing. But — try as we may with letters and other appeals — we cannot get through to President Obama. And Secretary Clinton turns her own deaf ear to our entreaties and those of others who oppose unnecessary warfare. It is a pattern that she also followed in her days as a U.S. senator from New York.
See No Evil
In the summer of 2002, as the Senate was preparing to conduct hearings about alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq and the possibility of war, former Chief Weapons Inspector in Iraq and U.S. Marine Major, Scott Ritter, came down to Washington from his home in upstate New York to share his first-hand knowledge with as many senators as possible.
To those that let him in the door, he showed that the “intelligence” adduced to support U.S. claims that Iraq still had WMD was fatally flawed. This was the same “intelligence” that Senate Intelligence Committee chair Jay Rockefeller later branded “unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton would not let Ritter in her door. Despite his unique insights as a U.N. inspector and his status as a constituent, Sen. Clinton gave him the royal run-around. Her message was clear: “Don’t bother me with the facts.” She had already made up her mind. I had a direct line into her inner circle at the time, and was assured that several of my op-eds and other commentaries skeptical of George W. Bush’s planned invasion were given personally to Clinton, but no matter.
Sen. Clinton reportedly was not among the handful of legislators who took the trouble to read the National Intelligence Estimate on WMD in Iraq that was issued on Oct. 1, 2002, just ten days before the she voted to authorize war.
In short, she chose not to perform the due diligence required prior to making a decision having life-or-death consequences for thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. She knew whom she needed to cater to, and what she felt she had to do.
But, bright as she is, Hillary Clinton is prone to willful mistakes — political, as well as strategic. In dissing those of us who were trying to warn her that an attack on Iraq would have catastrophic consequences, she simply willed us to be wrong. Clearly, her calculation was that she had to appear super-strong on defense in order to win the Democratic nomination and then the presidency in 2008.
Just as clearly, courting Israel and the Likud Lobby was also important to her political ambitions.
Tony Blair Admits Israeli Role
Any lingering doubt that Israel played a major role in the U.S.- U.K. decision to attack Iraq was dispelled a year ago when former Prime Minister Tony Blair spoke publicly about the Israeli input into the all-important Bush-Blair deliberations on Iraq in Crawford, Texas, in April 2002.
Inexplicably, Blair forgot his usual discretion when it comes to disclosing important facts to the public and blurted out some truth at the Chilcot hearings in London regarding the origins of the Iraq War:
“As I recall that [April 2002] discussion, it was less to do with specifics about what we were going to do on Iraq or, indeed, the Middle East, because the Israel issue was a big, big issue at the time. I think, in fact, I remember, actually, there may have been conversations that we had even with Israelis, the two of us [Bush and Blair], whilst we were there. So that was a major part of all this.”
According to Philip Zelikow – a former member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and later counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice – the "real threat" from Iraq was not to the United States.
Zelikow told an audience at the University of Virginia in September 2002, the "unstated threat" from Iraq was the "threat against Israel.” He added, "The American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."
But it wasn’t as though leading Israelis were disguising their hopes or an attack on Iraq. The current Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu published a pre-invasion piece titled “The case for Toppling Saddam” in the Wall Street Journal, in which he wrote:
"Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do … I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre-emptive strike against Saddam's regime."
The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reported in February 2003, "the military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq.” And, as a retired Israeli general later put it, "Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq's non-conventional [WMD] capabilities." In the United States, neoconservatives also pushed for war thinking that taking out Saddam Hussein would make Israel more secure.
Those Israeli leaders and their neocon allies got their wish on March 19, 2003, with the U.S.-U.K. invasion.
Of course, pressure from Israel and its Lobby was not the only factor behind the invasion of Iraq — think also oil, military bases, various political ambitions, revenge, etc. — but the Israeli factor was a central one.
A Calculating Senator
I’m afraid, though, that these calculations aimed at enhancing Israeli security may ultimately have the opposite effect. The Iraq War and the anti-Americanism that it has engendered across the Middle East seem sure to make Israel’s position in the region even more precarious.
If the Iraq War does end up making the region more dangerous for Israel, the fault will lie primarily with Israel’s hard-line leaders, as well as with those American officials (and media pundits) who so eagerly clambered onboard for the attack on Iraq.
One of those U.S. officials was the calculating senator from New York.
In a kind of poetic justice, Clinton’s politically motivated warmongering became a key factor in her losing the Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, who as a young state senator in Illinois spoke out against the war.
Although she bet wrong in 2002-03, Clinton keeps doubling down in her apparent belief that her greater political vulnerability comes from being perceived as “weak” against U.S. adversaries. So, she’s emerged as one of the Obama administration’s leading hawks on Afghanistan and Iran.
I suspect she still has her eye on what she considers the crucial centers of financial, media and other power that could support a possible future run for president, whether in 2012 if the Obama administration unravels or in 2016.
Another explanation, I suppose, could be that the Secretary of State genuinely believes that the United States should fight wars favored by right-wing Israelis and their influential supporters in the U.S.
Whichever interpretation you prefer, there’s no doubt that she has put herself in the forefront of American leaders threatening Iran over its alleged “nuclear weapons” program, a “weapons” program that Iran denies exists and for which the U.S. intelligence community has found little or no evidence.
Bête Noire Iran
As a former CIA analyst myself, it strikes me as odd that Clinton’s speeches never reflect the consistent, unanimous judgment of the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, issued formally (and with “high confidence”) in November 2007 that Iran stopped working on a nuclear weapon in the fall of 2003 and had not yet decided whether to resume that work.
Less than two weeks ago (on Feb. 10), in a formal appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, National Intelligence Director James Clapper testified:
“We continue to assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons….
“We continue to judge Iran’s nuclear decisionmaking is guided by a cost-benefit approach, which offers the international community opportunities to influence Tehran.”
Who’s in Charge Here?
Yet, in her determination to come across as hard-line, Clinton has undercut promising initiatives that might have constrained Iran from having enough low-enriched uranium to be even tempted to build a nuclear arsenal.
Last year, when – at the urging of President Obama – the leaders of Turkey and Brazil worked out an agreement with Iran, under which Iran agreed to ship about half of its low-enriched uranium (LEU) out of country, Clinton immediately rejected it in favor of more severe economic sanctions.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva were left wondering who exactly was in charge in Washington — Hillary Clinton and her pro-Israel friends, or Obama.
Brazil released a three-page letter that Obama had sent to Lula da Silva a month earlier in which Obama said the proposed uranium transfer “would build confidence and reduce regional tensions by substantially reducing Iran’s” stockpile of low-enriched uranium.
The contrast between Obama’s support for the initiative and the opposition from various hardliners (including Clinton) caused “some puzzlement,” one senior Brazilian official told the New York Times. After all, this official said, the supportive “letter came from the highest authority and was very clear.”
It was a particularly telling episode. Clinton basked in the applause of Israeli leaders and neocon pundits for blocking the uranium transfer and securing more restrictive UN sanctions on Iran – and since then Iran appears to have dug in its heals on additional negotiations over its nuclear program.
Secretary Clinton is almost as assiduous as Netanyahu in never missing a chance to paint the Iranians in the darkest colors – even if that ends up painting the entire region into a more dangerous corner.
More Hypocrisy
On Feb. 15, Clinton continued giving hypocrisy a bad name, with her GWU speech regarding the importance of governments respecting peaceful dissent.
Five short paragraphs after she watched me snatched out of the audience Blackwater-style, she said, “Iran is awful because it is a government that routinely violates the rights of its people.” It was like something straight out of Franz Kafka.
Today, given the growing instability in the Middle East – and Netanyahu’s strident talk about Iran’s dangerous influence – it may take yet another Herculean effort by Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen to disabuse Netanyahu of the notion that Israel can somehow provoke the kind of confrontation with Iran that would automatically suck the U.S. into the conflict on Israel’s side.
At each such turning point, Secretary Clinton predictably sides with the hard-line Israeli position and shows remarkably little sympathy for the Palestinians or any other group that finds itself in Israel’s way.
It is now clear, not only from the WikiLeaks documents, but even more so from the “Palestine Papers” disclosed by Al Jazeera, that Washington has long been playing a thoroughly dishonest “honest-broker” role between Israel and the Palestinians.
But those documents don’t stand alone. Clinton also rejected the Goldstone Report’s criticism of Israel’s bloody attack on Gaza in 2008-09; she waffled on Israel’s fatal commando raid on a Turkish relief flotilla on its way to Gaza in 2010; and she rallied to the defense of Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak this month when Israeli leaders raised alarms about what kind of regime might follow him.
Just last week, Clinton oversaw the casting of the U.S. veto to kill a U.N. Security Council resolution calling on Israel to stop colonizing territories it occupied in 1967. That vote was 14 to 1, marking the first such veto by the Obama administration. Netanyahu was quick to state that he “deeply appreciated” the U.S. stance.
Silent Witness
In the face of such callous disregard for what the Founders called “a decent respect for the opinions of mankind,” words failed me — literally — on Feb. 15.
The op-eds, the speeches, and the interviews that others and I have done about needless war and feckless politicians may have done some good but, surely, they have not done enough. And America’s Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) is the embodiment of a Fourth Estate that is dead in the water.
I counted about 20 TV cameras at the Clinton speech and reporters galore. Not one thought to come outside to watch what was happening to me, and zero reporting on the incident has found its way into the FCM, save a couple of brief and misleading accounts.
A Fox News story claimed that “a heckler interrupted” Clinton’s speech and then “was escorted from the room.” Fox News added that I "was, perhaps, trying to hold up a sign." CNN posted a brief clip with a similar insistence that I had “interrupted” Clinton’s speech, though the video shows me saying nothing until after I’m dragged away (or “escorted”) when I say, “So this is America.” There also was no sign.
Disappointing, but not surprising. But I guess I really do believe that the good is worth doing because it is good. It shouldn’t matter that there is little or no guarantee of success — or even of a truthful recounting of what happened.
Jail
One of my friends, in a good-natured attempt to make light of my arrest and brief imprisonment, commented that I must be used to it by now.
I thought of how anti-war activist Dan Berrigan responded to that kind of observation in his testimony at the Plowshares Eight trial 31 years ago. I feel blessed by his witness and fully identify with what he said about “the push of conscience”:
“With every cowardly bone in my body, I wished I hadn’t had to do it. That has been true every time I have been arrested. My stomach turns over. I feel sick. I feel afraid. I hate jail. I don’t do well there physically.
“But I have read that we must not kill. I have read that children, above all, are threatened by this. I have read that Christ our Lord underwent death rather than inflict it. And I’m supposed to be a disciple.
“The push of conscience is a terrible thing.”
As Fr. Berrigan clearly understood, the suffering of the victims of war is so much worse than the shock and discomfort of arrest.
For her part, Sen. and/or Secretary Clinton seems never to have encountered a war that she didn’t immediately embrace on behalf of some geopolitical justification, apparently following Henry Kissinger’s dictum that soldiers are “just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”
For us Veterans for Peace, we’ve been there, done that. And so, enough already!
Moreover, beyond the human suffering of those caught up in war, there’s what’s in store for the rest of us. As recent rhetoric and disclosures of leaked documents have made clear, what lies ahead is a permanent warfare state, including occupation of foreign lands and new military bases around the globe -- unless we have the courage to stand up this time.
Already well under way is creeping curtailment of our rights at home. “A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny,” wrote Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn — one who knew.
I think we need to bear in mind that we are part of a long line of those who have taken a stand on these issues. As for those of us who have served abroad to safeguard the rights of U.S. citizens — well, maybe we have a particular mandate now to keep doing what we can to keep protecting them.
An earlier version of this article appeared on Consortiumnews.com.
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Show AllI don't believe in the concept of "heroes," so I'll just say you're one hell of a decent man, Mr. McGovern.
For me, Ray McGovern is a hero. There are very few heroes in the USA, just when we need them most. It is cowardice the dominates US political culture. It is a kind cowardice that has been calculated and carefully constructed, with the main ingredient being conformity. With few exceptions, the House, Senate, White House, and the media take actions and make statements they know to be wrong, but do it anyway, due to conformity and cowardice.
Mr. McGovern, I am ashamed at Clinton's silence during your arrest by her State Dep. thugs...if Clinton had any genuine concern for 'freedom' or human rights inside the US instead of only in other countries in the abstract she would have called off her goons and continued with her hypocritical, hollow speech.
The members of the House and the Senate, and the major media do not act badly due to conformity and cowardice. They do it because they are corrupt. They have sold their souls to the corporations and do all they can to increase the profits of these corporations.
We are not going to make any changes through our elected officials. We need regime change and a new Constitution clearly stating the rights and responsibilities of people---living breathing people, not creatures from hell that the 'Supreme' Court have rulled are persons. Get away from that computer and get out on the streets this Satuday in support of the people in Wisconsin.
Father Berrigan: "The push of conscience is a terrible thing."
Because he has a conscience Berrigan understands how a person's conscience motivates behaviors. Since Hilly, Barry and the rest of the neocon psychopaths do not have a conscience, they have no idea what he is talking about. The have no empathy. Clearly, they have no shame either.
God damn AmeriKKKa!
Well said.
Also, Hillary and her ilk are opportunists. They have no ideology like the Netanyahu nazis do.
It's time for Israel to be shown the door.
It's time to make it very uncomfortable to be a warmonger in the USA.
It's time to close all those empire bases.
It's time.
If we don't get the Israeli monkey off our back, we'll go down with it.
No, Tom, no. Do not damn the country. It is true that this leadership is vile and unconscionable. It is true that the corporations have way too much control over our government. But America is not just Obama and Clinton, Rumsfeld and Bush. America is also Ray, and the 7000 of us fellow veterans for Peace who work for a better tomorrow. America is my grandchildren, being raised by truly good people. America is my friends in the Peace and Justice movement. america is all of us who so ardently support Wikileaks and Julian Assange. America is also you, who are so incensed at the excesses of these vile administrations of the last 20 years. America is us. It is ours. We must never lose sight of that, and of our sacred [if I may use a term so vilified by Christians] duty to turn this nation to its proper path. Damn our administrations. Damn our corporations. Damn even the stupid television addicts who believe everything the talking heads tell them. But do not damn us all. Rather work, together, to make this nation what it should be. If that takes an Egyptian populace to lead us, so be it. If that takes civil war, so be it. but do not damn it. Revere it. Make it what we all want it to be.
What would They do if 7,000 veterans surrounded the Pentagon and refused to leave?
Throw in a few thousand more civilian supporters...
It could be a real hoot.
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What would They do if 7,000 veterans surrounded the Pentagon and refused to leave?
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It could be a real hoot.
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Look back into history just a short way and see what would happen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
1932
"The self-named Bonus Expeditionary Force was an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who protested in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932. Called the Bonus March by the news media, the Bonus Marchers were more popularly known as the Bonus Army."
and
"Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned."
Casualties and losses
4 dead; 1,017 injured At least 69 police injured.
Funny how stuff like that isn't taught in schools.
Home of the brave, land of the free.
BTW, last year whilst I was perusing the net, I happened across a forum (by way of a google search) and the users were discussing whether in a civil situation whereby US troops were called out, would they fire on fellow US citizens?
I was amazed that the users deluded themselves and arrived at the conclusion that they wouldn't fire.
The US military has long been taught/trained/brainwashed into instantly shooting first then thinking later as a consequence of the evidence of previous military campaigns whereby soldiers were deliberately firing and avoiding hitting people because the soldiers consciences 'were getting in the way'.
There's also the military tactic of assigning soldiers to civil areas that aren't their home states etc so that there's a 'disconnection' with the civilian people they then deal with.
Perhaps with enough people and weight of masses civilians could do what's being done in Libya and elsewhere but the USA like so many governments of the world has a proven track history of acting very harshly indeed on their own citizens in peacetime (often without their knowledge) let alone in a civil unrest situation whereby they are given much more free reign by themselves to crush what they see as any disruption or threat to any status quo.
The US military has always been taught//trained/brainwashed into instantly shooting first then thinking later..." Excellent observation which stands out in stark contrast to the scene in the documentary Sir! No Sir! which explained how black GIs in Vietnam refused to be sent to Chicago in 1968 to take part in riot control during the Democratic convention because they knew that there would be a good chance that they would have to fire upon Americans. They recognized the hypocrisy of killing foreigners who never wished them harm in a country like Vietnam to then going back to the states in order to kill Americans who also never desired to do harm to them.
As you intimate, there seems to be very few soldiers in the military who would take a similar moral stance today. The differences between this generation and the one in the1960s could not be more vivid.
May the 4th, 1970.
Kent State.
tin soldiers & nixon...
we're still on our own.
duplicate
If that happens I, a non-veteran, will be there.
Thanks, Ironblood. I needed that. I also have grandchildren.
"... what lies ahead is a permanent warfare state, including occupation of foreign lands and new military bases around the globe."
The US Empire has long passed the above noted point in its evolution.
Maybe that last word should be devolution.
I prefer "metastasis."
God I hate the woman. She seems to be vying with the Dick Cheney and Dr. Strangelove (Fremdliebe? Kissinger? ) for recognition as the most evil person in the free world.
And, what's with the student body of GWU? Are they really this lacking in decency? Are they representatives of a future churlish, amoral meritocracy ready to serve the insidious US oligarchy?
I watched a documentary about the people's temple group ruled by Jim Jones. The few survivors of the mass suicide and those who had previously defected were interviewed. They still can't figure out why they tolerated and indeed celebrated that arrogant bum that humiliated them on a daily basis. It seems many Americans have succumbed to the authoritarian mindset. In that frame of existence, no matter what outrage the stern father figure leaders perpetuate, no matter how blatent the hypocrisy and lies, the people feel they must make a show of praise and adulation of these good for nothing scum.
But, sometimes everybody wakes up at once and say, ENOUGH! It has begun.
As I said a few days ago, one of the few compelling reasons to go to GWU is for the entree to Beltway power. So the answer to your final two questions is "yes."
Apparently, the answer to your question is yes. GWU sounds like a place that will supply plenty of dutiful little apparatchiks for the National Security Interest machine.
As for Clinton herself I think she is detestable.
the power-hungry know no shame, have no conscience, view it as a weakness to be exploited when found in others.
Well such an incompetent leader as o needs a hair trigger atomic weapon as hillbilly hillary as his 'best' defense.
American's best bet is to arm and defend themselves against such an outrageous antagonist as this flaming harpy. Her intentions are beyond narcissism, this blight on the world of femininity wants to dictate the whole universe, every single last bit of matter and energy. You see it in every picture of her with pursed lips, mad squinting eyes and crinkled forehead. The world really shouldn't want this insane person's hand anyway near a nuclear button.
Hitler stalin pale in comparison of her.
I believe you've got something there. Suppose that humans didn't have the bomb? I don't mean that we never had it. I mean, suppose ET decided that this nuclear weapon thing was too hot for humans to handle?
It would be fine with me if every nuclear reactor stopped working all of a sudden and the fissionable materials from the mines to the bombs turned to lead.
There would be massive humble pie for a lot of psychos like Hillary in our government.
The bomb was the worst thing that ever happened to the USA.
Don't forget Einstein, who was only too happy to work on the Bomb, and only too happy to whine about it afterwards -- and whose great discoveries were largely stolen from his first wife.
I have to correct your careless assertions. Einstein did no work on the bomb. He only wrote a letter to Roosevelt recommending research into a bomb project after learning from physicist Leo Szilard that the Germans were actively trying to develop an atomic weapon for themselves. Einstein hated war and renounced his German citizenship twice because of Germany's militarism under Kaiser Wilhelm and, of course, Hitler. Einstein left Germany in 1933 and never went back even after the war was over.
As to the claim that Einstein stole his scientific discoveries from his wife, that was a claim that came about in the 80s when some personal letters to his wife were discovered. The fact is that Mileva was a fine scientist in her own right and his treatment of her as a husband left a lot to be desired. However, she was simply not in the same rank as a physicist with Einstein. She may have contributed some ideas to his development of special relativity but he was fundamentally responsible for the theory. Perhaps some of the assertion of her contribution came from his telling her in a letter that, if he won the Nobel Prize, he would give her half the money. It is quite a stretch to use that as proof that he stole the theory from her.
As to General Relativity, his greatest achievement, Mileva couldn't have had much to do with that as they were not on good terms by that time and were divorced a year before he published the theory.
It is well known that when Robert Oppenheimer watched the Trinity test go off and saw the mushroom cloud rise into the sky he was said to have quoted the words of Vishnu from the Bhagavad Gita - "Now I become death, the destroyer of worlds." However, another more down to earth comment was made by physical chemist Robert Wilson who said - "We're all sons of bitches now." Einstein said years later that he didn't know what weapons would be used to fight World War III but that World War IV would be fought with sticks and stones.
Interesting your comment about stopping reactors. Frederik Pohl wrote a novel, 'Starburst", that has a bunch of highly intelligent american being sent on a mission to Alpha Centauri to a planet that didn't exist on a mission that was not supposed to allow them to return. Finding that they were duped they were able to destroy any massive molecules on earth thus shutting down all nuclear reactors. Really incredible story.
Bravo Ray McGovern! It would seem that whenever the U.S. war machine and Israel tell Hillary Clinton to jump her response is always: How high?
Ray Mcgovern, you're a hero. Don't let those pro-Hillary detractors smear your name.
Hats off to Ray McGovern.
Sort of an analogy I can understand Ray. I recall being in London in 1984 at a cinema watching 1984!! During the film some guy at the back started yelling and carrying on (not sure why) and then about ten cops came in and dragged him out yelling and kicking in the middle of watching 1984!!! It was very surreal and this was during the Thatcher years too. I think George Orwell is not just rolling in his grave more like spinning, like they are doing to us daily. Keep up the good fight Ray and all of us....As the Irish say Tiocfaidh ár Lá.... Our time will come Mr McGovern
Here once again is the video of Clinton talking about freedom as McGovern gets arrested right in front of her eyes.
http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/02/16-3
Ray, God bless you and may God grant you many more good years of good health and strength to continue this great fight. You are a hero and a TRUE PATRIOT. Hillary is a psychotic power hungry demon who wants to rule the country as she probably ruled BIll. Thank you for educating me as to the REAL nature of this vile woman and her cold indifference to the suffering of so many people.
There is room in Ray's organization for more. We at Veterans for Peace work every day to make this country a better place. If you are a vet, join us. Hundreds of such events happen every week in this country. Ray's was wonderful because it became well known. Most do not. We still work at it. Join us. Join the not-so-quiet revolution. www.veteransforpeace.org.
Jay Leno tried to make light of this incident during his monologue on 02/17/11 on the Tonight show by claiming that a person whom he labeled as a heckler was being disruptive when H. Clinton was giving her speech defending, of all things, the rights of Egyptians to protest against their government. If Leno had an ounce of integrity he would have McGovern on as his guest in order to explain what really had happened. One suspects that Johnny Carson would have done this if he were around today. But it is always easy for someone like Leno to go for the cheap shot by bowing down toward authority. Jay Leno the alleged comedian will never be mistaken for someone like George Carlin.
"But it is always easy for someone like Leno to go for the cheap shot by bowing down toward authority. Jay Leno the alleged comedian will never be mistaken for someone like George Carlin."
So true. Leno would NEVER challenge authority. He wouldn't wan't to risk his car collection.
Thanks Ray McGovern for all your efforts, and what must have been quite a journey from CIA analyst to veterans for peace. It has to be maddening to have your hard efforts either ignored or inaccurately reported. I really have to give you credit for not getting discouraged.
Well, we agree here NCT.... Leno is clearly a suck-up to the system. But, he knows his audience which is largely nitwits. And it is GE that Mr. Patriotic has made his real money off of.
And I'm always disturbed by his often used white trash jokes.
Jerkwad of comedy.
Quite right. George Carlin spoke truth to power like few others. Compared to him Leno is an overpaid hack.
With Chris Hedges, Noam Chomski, Ray McGovern, Julian Assange all holding the torches of truth HIGH above the fearless rising masses, I think I see a REVoLUtioN coming this way....
The assault on Ray McGovern with Hillary Clinton unmoved and carrying on with her hypocritical speech was truly a chilling moment. This sort of protest needs to be done frequently in our abnormal "republic" that squanders the public commonwealth on wars abroad, building bases to protect oil pipelines and killing tens of thousands in senseless wars.
That said, no one deserves a trip to U.S. jails, which need to be abolished. Maybe the violently insane need some sort of restraint, but they represent a tiny percentage of the convicted. The United States has the largest jail system per capita, or is neck and neck with China - something like that. And the vast number of people are there for nonviolent drug offenses.
I appreciate Ray McGovern's disdain for Hillary Clinton. Possibly, he is correct that she veers from Obama's policy. I rather think that she is one with Obama on our violent foreign policy. Obama certainly joined Hillary in supporting the Honduran coup, for instance.
Ray, I’d love to think you maybe made a small chip in Sec. Clinton’s hardened soul. Hope you haunt her in her dreams. Thanks for your courage. Good to know there’s people like you who will confront the paranoid bullies who require mega security/armaments to feel secure. The treatment you endured is shameful – what hypocrisy!
I appreciate your sacrifice on the publics’ behalf. Bravo!
If you are a vet, swimup, join Rays' group, Veterans for Peace. If you are not a vet, join a Peace and Justice group. But DO something. It will change your life for the better, and you may be the final grain of sand on the beach which changes the world.
What goes around comes around.
from us cyberjockeys to a real Ray of hope. Many earnest thanks Mr McGovern.
I wonder how long it will be before we can openly discuss those who commit treason. The ones who nourish our best conscience at great personal sacrifice will not be forgotten.
"As for those of us who have served abroad to safeguard the rights of U.S. citizens ..."
does McGovern actually still believe this!?
Yeah, that stood out to me as well.
Thank you, Mr. McGovern, for your service, your courage and your humanity.
Obama and both Clintons are amoral technocrats whose ambitions and narcissism have purged their souls of any principle or authenticity.
And speaking of courage, does anyone want to help start a new, aggressively progressive political organization to begin to turn this crap around in the U.S. or do we just keep griping? I don't know the first thing about political organizing, but perhaps if we started to build it, they would come. But no one seems to want to commit to making the first move in this regard other than writing about the assholes who currently control the government and the media.
In Oregon, where I am, the Green Party seems low key and insufficiently aggressive. There is a Progressive Party of Oregon website, but as they haven't responded to my e-mails offering my services, I wonder how viable an organization they are. If anyone has relevant information about them, I would appreciate it.
I don't think I can stand doing nothing any longer while this country commits slow motion suicide.
Ray, like one poster said; "you're one hell of a decent man", sir.
the paradox is that clinton, like obama , is more effective than republicans themselves