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Nader Still Follows Cameras, Proudly Offers Alternative
DENVER - If the same happens in November to Barack Obama, that's just one more electoral incident for which the Connecticut native won't issue an apology. If Democratic politicians want to push him aside, he argues, then they are welcome to borrow some of his "progressive populist" ideas. In his view, a vote belongs to no one until it's earned.
Ralph Nader is in Denver this week for the "corporate-saturated Democratic National Convention." He hosted a Wednesday night rally, taking his own stage about an hour after the Democratic choice for vice president, Sen. Joe Biden, stepped in front of the Pepsi Center thousands.(Photograph: Jeff Chiu/AP) The veteran presidential candidate is used to the blame and doesn't
flinch when it's mentioned over and over in his interviews. "It's a
very ugly syndrome in Democratic politics, because it's a scapegoat
syndrome," he said Wednesday. Anyway, he insists, the win was stolen
from Gore in the Florida vote tally.
"If the Democrats don't get over this, they will never look themselves in the mirror and say, 'Oh me, oh my, why isn't our party landsliding the worst Republicans in the history of the Republican Party?'"
Nader is in Denver this week for the "corporate-saturated Democratic National Convention." He hosted a Wednesday night rally, taking his own stage about an hour after the Democratic choice for vice president, Sen. Joe Biden, stepped in front of the Pepsi Center thousands.
Nader's chief thrust right now is trying to get himself in the presidential debates.
He plans to be in Minnesota next week, trying to siphon attention from the Republican National Convention, too. The independent candidate, who touts single-digit support in recent nationwide polls and has petitioned his way onto the 2008 ballots of more than three dozen states, has been steadily running for president for almost two decades, and he's learned to go where the cameras are.
And when he seizes that attention, the iconic former consumer advocate attacks both parties evenly as corporate stooges. When asked if he prefers one over another, he acknowledges his belief that the Democrats are better on Social Security, Medicare and civil rights. But, he said, "I don't think this country deserves a least worse choice."
His criticisms of the Democratic Party were far stronger, however, when addressing those who came to hear him at the University of Denver arena Wednesday night.
"This party is sick," he told the 4,000 mostly college-age people. "It's decaying. It's lost its soul. ... They never talk about the poor. They talk about the middle class." Nader brought up the "bottom 100 million" people in the country, saying they do the heavy lifting and "service us in all kinds of ways while they are underpaid, while they are overcharged."
The candidate shouted, "It's our job to sweep the rascals out of the political forums who have corrupted our country!"
Nader argued for the inclusion of third-party candidates. "Dissent is the mother of ascent," he said, to cheers. "Almost everything we like about our country started with minority dissenters."
Earlier in the day, Nader's criticism was leveled at the journalists covering the race, who are "drawn into a vortex of greater and greater trivia."
Not that his own rally was free of light entertainment and celebrity appearances.
Actor Sean Penn had high billing at this festival of The Others. Penn referred to the nearby convention as "the prom."
The 74-year-old Nader promised he would - before November - personally campaign "up and down the state of Connecticut," where he's historically managed to seize a little higher percentage than the votes he gets nationwide. It's his home-state crowd.
"We will let the people of Connecticut know that even though Obama is likely to take it, they at least have a choice to send the Democrats a message that their votes are not going to be taken for granted."
When asked whether he'll put his town, Winsted, on the campaign trail, he smiled. "Yes, of course."
After all, Winsted's town meetings influenced the life he would choose. "I saw active citizens," he said. "I saw squirming politicians, and I saw free speech in action.
"That was a far greater civic education than anything I learned in my formal education."
Nader concluded his words at the University of Denver Wednesday night with his own civic lesson, goading his young audience, particularly those who don't vote:
"If only you knew the power you have at this young age," he said. "Chuck the iPod once in a while. Stop listening to non-stop music, which is blowing out your mind. And get serious.
"Read the grim lesson of history, here and abroad. When people do not turn on to politics, politics will turn on them."
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Show AllRalph, Ralph, Ralph! If we give you your own TV show and hire some sycophants to sit and watch, will you please go away? This is all about ego, nothing more.
jfredmuggs, you've got this wrong, but I guess some wouldn't understand principles if it slapped him in the face.
Wow, maybe you're right. Seems like Nader's "principles" have been slapping me in the face for the last 8 years. Perhaps I've just become numbed to the tingle and sting and the remorse over what could have been.
jfredmuggs, I completly agree.
Who does this artifact think he is?
Telling me to let go of my iPod... Sounds like McCain telling me to get off his lawn.
Making fun of old people really doesn't help bolster the anti-Nader argument.
Yes it does.
I'm so tired of the old people in this country telling the young people what to do.
And, Nader started "it" by saying music was blowing out my mind. Whatever that means in old man speak.
The "Worst Generation" needs to take its baby boomers and go away. They've taken every resource, every public office, every job, and every hope from our generation and now they need to realize they messed up and step aside.
Jeevee
Why is Ralph accused of being egoistic? Please read his record; you'll see that this heading is most inappropriate!
You have no perception of what this man is trying to do and show your smug ignorance of that fact by your "ego"-centric comment. If "the rut" suits you--go to a rut lover's site to make your snide and baseless comments.
Scratch Open A Cynic And You Will Find An Angry Idealist.
If you're right, then why do we only hear from Ralphy during election years? It is only about his ego and nothing more. Kucinich on the other hand is there every day fighting. Same with Feingold.
Kucinich on the other hand is there every day fighting.
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Not EVERY day. During the Democratic Party High Holidays, he straps on the pom-poms and cheers wildly for the anointed warmongering, capricious civil-libertarian nominees like the rest of them.
It must be one of those "foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds" deals.
Did you get a book of quotes for your birthday?
No-- my brain actually retains a few things.
Enjoyed the rebuttal-free rejoinder, though.
Nader's always fighting, every year. You only hear about him because you only pay attention to him every four years.
Take a look at the common dreams archives for God's sake. Read all the articles Ralph Nader has written for this website. The man is a work-a-holic. He never stops.
Actually, he's there all the time. But the Democrats won't listen to him between elections.
Which, when I heard him speak a few years ago, was exactly the point. Nader used to be able to effect positive change in the world from outside of politics. He could investigate and report and expose. Then the government could take over and prosecute and make changes.
But when the Dems sold out to the corporations, that avenue became blocked. That's why he started running for President.
But, he still writes regularly between elections (even though most of those articles are banned from CD, go find them elsewhere). He still helps out lots of groups struggling on lots of causes. Basically, between elections he still keeps doing what he's always been doing.
But the Democrats only pay attention during elections, they are too worried about getting all the corporate graft into their greedy little hands the rest of the time to pay any attention.
Somehow, somewhere, some place ... make a Democrat lose an election! It will feel really good!
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
"...why do we only hear from Ralphy during election years?It is...his ego and..."
And your repeatedly, aggressive opinion frothing all over these posts by other people is to be construed as what? The result of childhood beatings by little kids, when you were five years older, in spelling bees?
Or did you accidentally break a thermometer, only to become fascinated by the shiny, smooth, liquid, toxic metal your fingers absorbed, while you played marbles with it because it was so heavy?
You should get a thorough physical exam, including a CAT scan of your head. Mercury can cause symptoms similar to Alzheimer's.
Or, you could stop the drooling, put on a clean shirt and tie and go find a job.
Or, hell, just hang yourself with the clean tie.
We'll tell Mr. Obama you sacrificed your ideals to the Goddess of Volcanoes, who now resides in Peoria next door to an obscure author of other peoples' opinions.
And we will toast you with green apple vodka martinis.
Obviously you're a Democrat sycophant yourself. Or just a very stupid person.
You're some sort of judge of stupidity? Wow.
I'm a realist. A Democratic realist.
I'm a realist. A Democratic realist*.
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They're the worst kind.
*N.B.: oxymoron
Democrats are not realists. I'm sorry, but the terms are mutually exclusive. Having read your later post praising Nader, I now am confused as to how to respond to you, as it seems to contradict this one.
And I definitely am a judge of stupidity, in this case at least. Your first post was stupid. That argument is stupid, because it's obviously b.s. to anybody who has taken the time to examine what Ralph Nader has done in his lifetime, and what he believes in, and what his intentions are.
You're wrong and you're wrong. If you think Nader has a chance of winning this election, you're even dumber than McCain and Rove think you are. If you think that working within the system to try and make change and have your voice heard is a waste of time, then you're even more cynically stupid than I think you are.
Oh crap man. Where have you been. Read what happened when Eugene V. Debs, who never had a chance of winning the presidency ran. One dimensional thinking.
Who thinks Nader can win the election? Get a clue... it's called making a statement, getting a message out there that makes even a few people thing, and casting a vote that protests the one party system.
Actually some say there is a possibility Nader could win. From a comment I picked up on the www.votenader.org website:
Elizabeth August 24, 2008 9:47 PM
First there is a BIG EDGE FAVORING NADER TO WIN-A-the merits of a candidate who matches what the people want for a president and a candidate who will uphold the U.S. Constitution which is necessary, utterly for having a democracy and a constitution. Bush cannot do that. He is not able. Nader IS able. B-Statistically the nation is NOT controlled by two parties, only 38% are registered voters in the two parties COMBINED. 62% are registered OUTSIDE the two parties. I have posted the voter registration statistics to prove the lie against the two parties proves how corrupt they both are and that Nader can win, and should, indeed. The media needs to wake up and smell the coffee! http://www.MVToday.blogspot.com
If Nader's activism is about ego, then what does Democratic deference to the GOP represent? Lack of self-esteem? Stockholm syndrome?
Awesome! If the Dims are going to fling psycho babble at us lets fling it back, they deserve it for being soulless corporate sellouts.
Oh, now nice to see the Democratic hate brigade coming out. It illustrates so wonderfully the nasty and disgusting soul of that party.
I was fortunate enough to be at that rally, and it was amazing. As he does these across the country, go see one in person. Don't let the evil Democrats intimidate you into staying away.
Sean Penn gets one line in this article. He gave the most amazing speech. Go find it online. Its gotta be up somewhere by now. I haven't checked freespeech.org, but they were streaming it live so maybe they've got a link to go see it. The corporate media reporter is too scared in this article to give you a single quote from it, so that tells you its worth reading.
And Nader was his usual fascinating self. When you listen to him, you can't imagine that a man speaking the truth in such a calm and sensible way would create so much hatred. But, when the truth generates hatred in Democrats, that just shows you how twisted the Democrats are. Like sending out the riot police to meet a march of anti-war vets. What sort of twisted party would do that?
Find some way to help defeat a Democrat. Its makes the world a better place!
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
"Samson writes: And Nader was his usual fascinating self. When you listen to him, you can't imagine that a man speaking the truth in such a calm and sensible way would create so much hatred."
That is so true. I'm not religious, but look- even Jesus got nailed to the cross. And he was nailed up by the same type of people like Obama supporters. Support the status quo, kill the messenger who is bringing you an answer that will help.
If you have ever listened to Nader and then listen to Obama, you will see that Obama is at best a competent car salesman and can tell you all the colors it comes in, but Nader can tell you how the engine works, what the engine runs on, and what needs to be done to fix it.
Nader is stating solutions to questions that need to be asked, and yet so many common dreamers support Obama who has not addressed any of them.
I just realized this, maybe the term 'common dreams', common means something other than I though. Maybe it doesn't stand for 'collective' dream but rather one that is ordinary.
so it goes
Note also the way the Democrats can only repeat the talking points they are given. Like the line about Ralph's ego. If anyone knows anything about the man, if anyone has ever met him and talked with him for five minutes, they know that the opposite is true. The man has devoted his life to making the world better for others. That's the opposite of ego.
But, then again, Democrats who can only think of 'winning' and grabbing power for themselves could never understand that. So they rant their nonsense about Ralph's ego. Just like the talking point memo told them to do.
Clean out Congress, kick out all the Democrats! (we'll let Kucinich stay as a Green!)
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
The true believers are out in force this week. Talk about self importance, does it supprise anyone why this Cat is voting for Obama? Maybe if we ignore him or her, him or her will go away. Then again, let the nim rod babble on...
What?
There's probably a room full of them somewhere here in Denver. A room full of paid hacks all sitting at computers posting their crap on blogs. Progressive review had an ad from a consulting firm offering just such services. And the Democrats would be just that desperate to pretend their pro-corporate has any support from real people they've already screwed six ways to Sunday.
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
Do you have a link? If the Dims are paying people to spam lefty blogs that should be headlines everywhere. Send me the link at raven200@gmail.com as I might not be on here every day. Thanks!
I just heard Nader on Democracy Now! I love Ralph Nader! He's a true American leader and a hero to the common man. He's working for change, and shinning light on the corporate domination of the process.
If you live in a state that's clearly going to Obama, I say vote Nader. If you live in a state that's at all close, please consider voting for Obama. We can't afford any more neocon fascist in our government.
Much better to have a neoliberal "fascist in our government".
Why not simply vote Nader because he's 5 million times better choice than the corporate neocon and the corporate neoliberal
Why do you modern Dems have as much trouble with the truth as the republicans ? Why are you always selling-out
"We can't afford any more neocon fascist in our government." Huh? The assumption is the Democrats are not "neocon fascist(s) in our government." Just what party was it that gave Bush/Cheney Co. the go ahead to preventively invade a sovereign state? Or pass the PATRIOT Act? Please...
Meanwhile, I'm watching Richardson promise an expanded war worldwide 'against the terrorists.' Thank gawd the Democrats are the peace party.
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
Don't underestimate the power of FEAR and the way the right has used it to get what they want.
The measure of Ralph Nader will not be whether he ever wins elective office because the odds are he won't. The measure ofr Ralph Nader will be the same as that of Eugene V. Debs of the Socialists and William Jennings Bryan of the Populist persuasion.
Both were labeled as seditious or crack-pots and never won elective office but within 50 years of its drafting, significant portions of The Omaha Platform of the Populists had been enacted into law and Socialist proposals for radical things like an 8 hour work day, 40 hour week, and overtime pay for any work done beyond those amounts were enacted into law in less than 20 years of their proposal.
Beyond his proposals and positions, Ralph is modeling (as the article rightly points out) how an engaged citizenry holds their leadership accountable in a Democracy (or Democratic Republic if there are any John Birchers or Libertarians in this audience)
Poet
Ralph, we need you in the debates.
After that, you might approach the progressive Dems and form alliances and coalitions. I would love to see them help get you appointed as Attorney General, EPA Chief, Supreme Court Justice or any cabinet post:
http://www.pdamerica.org/
and
http://www.democrats.com/
If I'm not mistaken, the reaction of the Dems towards Nader has been one of hatred and vitriol.
In the past, the history of third parties has been that they have been co-opted into the major parties. The really striking thing about the last 8 years is that the Dems are doing just the opposite. Since they refuse to fight the Republicans, they turn all their anger and hatred against Nader and the left and fight them.
You can't think of a single issue where the Dems have even thought about offering a compromise towards Nader and the left. Nothing. Apparently the goal of the Dems is just to pull out the police batons and beat Nader into submission.
I don't really see an alliance as possible. Especially since by now its obvious that the PDA is a completely useless bunch wasting their time in the rigged game that is the Democrats. Maybe they'll pass another resolution against the war. Yipppppie!
Nope, its become very clear that the course going forward is to take on and destroy the Democratic Party. Its clear that the Democrats are an obstacle to change that must be removed if we are to make progress. The best thing we can do right now is to do anything we can to cause most Democrats to lose (except Kucinich who can come join the Greens where he belongs)
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
"Nader still follows cameras"? How very hostile of Common Dreams to pick this crap headline for the singluar article on Nader so far in the LONG CAMPAIGN.
You know what? JUSTICE FOR ALL still follows cameras. EQUITY FOR ALL still follows cameras. DIGNITY FOR ALL still follows cameras. PROSPERITY FOR ALL still follows cameras.
Past votes for Nader are vindicated almost daily by the "falling down" of radical capitalism. It only makes sense to vote Nader again.
Thank You for your fear-free post.
I'm voting my principles as well. After you sweep away the fear, lesser-evilism, pick-a-winner, electability corporate nonsense the choice is clear....Nader
It's unlikely CD published this because they thought it was journalism at it's best. It may have been the only Nader mention they could find.
Naw, its pretty typical of the Dems who run the joint.
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"It is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will we be" -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
I am following our leader Dennis Kucinich's call to drop other concerns, get out there and work for an Obama victory, while rallying people around our own progressive program and message. Imperfect as Obama may be, and he is very imperfect, that's the battle in front of us and we have to win it.
But I too love Ralph Nader and while I urge people to join me in following Kucinich's lead, I will malign no one who works to put Nader on the ballot and win support for him. He is speaking the truth, saying things that need to be heard. In putting pressure on Obama to come back to the people, Nader may actually save his campaign. Ralph's campaign is raising peoples' consciousness and commitment to act. All his life he has been a voice for the people and against the rule of the rich and the arrogant; a voice of reason and intelligence in a land of myth, blather and humbuggery; an example of courage in a sea of expediency and cowardice. It makes my blood boil when those who support a different strategy condemn him and his supporters and impugn their motives!
I call on you to listen, really listen, to Ralph, consider what he brings to the national debate, and then consider whose side he is on at a fundamental level, before you spill your venom on him! Call his strategy wrong and mistaken if you will, but give him the respect he is due as one of our champions!
Chris Horton
EXCELLENT post!!!! Give Nader what Nader is due and he is due a lot. But let's get the point across: Obama must win in November if we're to have a prayer.
Not an especially persuasive argument to non-prayers.
Or complete whacked-out nutjobs like yourself, either.
Grow up, Junior.
It's always so humbling when one's passing remarks are countered by such razor-sharp wit and trenchant insight!
Usually people just keep embarrassing themselves with mean-spirited stupidity-- because, really, that's all they've got.
ooh, it came with the dictionary and thesaurus too! You've been a good boy, haven't you?