Single-Payer Advocates Must Seize This Opening
It is unsettling to listen as President Obama and House Speaker Pelosi talk up a health-care reform "plan" that has yet to take shape in any realistic form.
The vagueness on the part of the president and the speaker is, of course, intentional.
Obama and Pelosi are still pushing the notion that they can get some version of their public-private stew cooked up before the year is done -- although not, it is now clear, before the president and the Congress take the extended summer vacations that will kill whatever sense of official urgency might have existed.
Neither Obama nor Pelosi is dealing in details because that's where the devil resides.
Here is the truth they tend to avoid mentioning: A robust public plan, with the quality and flexibility that is required to make it appealing to all Americans, would wipe out its insurance-industry competitors in short order. Why would anyone opt for more of the profiteering, restrictions and actual denials of needed treatment -- especially for people with pre-existing conditions -- that the insurance industry uses to make money rather than provide Americans with the medical care they require? And why would any employer choose to subsidize the stock value of health-care conglomerates when it is possible to opt for the better care and controlled costs of a public plan?
Unfortunately, the creation of a robust public plan, one that can compete on the basis of quality and affordability, will require a significant federal expenditure in the form of start-up money as well as regulatory protection for the program. That's where the devil comes in.
The powerful insurance and private health-care lobbies, which fear honest competition as the vampire does the stake, are going to do everything in their power to accomplish three things:
1. Scare Americans with hypocritical talk about the hefty price-tag for getting a robust public plan off the ground.
2. Undermine the structural supports for a public plan so that it cannot compete -- effectively turning it into a sub-standard "alternative" that will appeal only to those who have no other options.
3. Fiddle with the overall "reform" so that most of the taxpayer money that is expended streams into the accounts of private firms.
In the state of confusion created the industry's lobbying and advertising campaigns, chances are that the scaremongers and the profiteers will come out ahead.
They usually do.
And their task is being made easier by in-the-pocket "Democrats" like Montana Senator Max Baucus, the Senate Finance Committee chair who is collecting huge contributions from hospitals, insurers and medical interest groups in return for doing their dirty work. If it was just Baucus, that would be a problem.
But it's not just Baucus. The monied Montanan has all too many Democratic allies -- especially among the Democratic Leadership Council-allied "New Democrats." The "New Dems" are far greedier and more troubling players than the small cadre of southern and rural Blue Dog Democrats. Of particular concern is the determination of so many of the "New Dems" to follow Baucus' lead and grab up what Jerry Flanagan, a health-care analyst with the group Consumer Watchdog describes as the "huge down payment" of campaign contributions from corporations by that want any health care "reform" warped to favor their interests.
The corporate special interests and their willing accomplices within the ranks of the Democratic party are capitalizing on the confusion about the scope and character of proposed reforms. In so doing, they are creating a circumstance where the push for real reform can and will be thwarted unless there is a major pushback from real reformers.
That pushback can and should take the form of a renewed effort to promote the right repair: a single-payer program.
There has already been some progress in this regard. The recent 25-19 vote by the House Committee on Education and Labor for an amendment allowing states to create single-payer health care systems if they so choose was an example of this.
A bigger test could come this week, as the House Energy and Commerce Committee considers Congressman Anthony Weiner's proposal to replace the convoluted public-private scheme that is outlined in the Obama/House leadership bill with the easily-understood and efficient single-payer plan contained in HR 676 that has been endorsed by 86 members of Congress.
Were the committee to endorse the Weiner amendment, single-payer would be on the table -- as it should be.
Even if the committee fails to do the right thing, a strong vote for single-payer would send an essential signal about the need for a robust public option.
The stalwart single-payer backers at Progressive Democrats for America are organizing on behalf of the Weiner amendment, urging targeted calls to members of the committee.
The website www.democrats.com is maintaining a whip count, which includes phone numbers of members who are being targeted. Heading the list of those expected to cast "yes" votes for single-payer is Congresswomen Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisconsin, and Jan Schakowsky, D-Illinois, who has long been in the forefront of the real reformers in the House.
Baldwin and Schakowsky are staying steady.
And rightly so.
This is not the time to waver is our commitment to real reform.
Indeed, it is the time to press those who know the right reform to stop wavering.
Physicians for a National Health Care Plan has launched a smart -- and necessary -- new campaign to get President Obama to abandon experiments that are likely to fail in favor of the reform he supported before he became president: a single-payer plan.
"Like most of our colleagues and the majority of the general public, we believe that single-payer reform is the standard against which other health reforms should be measured. Sound single-payer proposals have been introduced in both the House of Representatives (H.R. 676, The U.S National Health Care Act) and the Senate (S. 703, The American Health Security Act of 2009)," the physicians write. "Single payer reform, as embodied in these bills, would eliminate the bewildering patchwork of private insurance plans with their exorbitant overhead and profits, as well as the costly paperwork burdens they impose on providers. These savings on bureaucracy - nearly $400 billion annually - are sufficient to cover all of the uninsured and to provide first dollar coverage for all Americans. No other approach can provide comparable coverage at a cost our nation can afford."
That's the proper prescription. Obama and Pelosi should listen to the doctors and follow it. But that will only happen if those who favor real reform seize on this uncertain but not unforgiving moment to make the case for single-payer.
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Show AllI want Single Payer too,
But the Democratic Politicians
who refused to Impeach
and still refuse to investigate and prosecute the crimes
of the Bush Administration
Will never get us Single Payer.
The Chief Obstructionist of Impeachment in the House Judiciary Committee is the Chairman Rep. John Conyers.
He is also the Champion of Single Payer. What hope have we?
If House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers does not soon start hearings in his Committee on the crimes of the Bush Administration
WE Must Call For His Resignation.
SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
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at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
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We must hang in there...
or our children or grandchildren may
be tortured and imprisoned without cause because of our failure.
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Here is a link that will take you to a Comparsion Guide S703 and HR 676. PDF file at:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/676s703.pdf
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
The Senate will soon be debating and voting upon the Health Care Reform Legislation reported from the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension (HELP) and Finance Committees. Senator Sanders will offer S 703 as a substitute amendment to this legislation. I urge you to vote in favor of the Sanders amendment. It marks a combination of the most efficient, progressive, and cost effective way of paying for health care through public financing and maintains our system of providing health care through private health care providers. The Sanders substitute amendment allows Americans to go to the doctor of their choice and choose their medical treatment without any interference from a third party. Many studies have been made over the years that show there are enormous cost savings that accrue from a single payer system such as that prescribed by S 703. This amendment provides an effective way to control skyrocketing health care costs while covering all Americans. Please support the smart, comprehensive, and humane health care policy embodied in Senator Sanders’ amendment, S 703.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
What freeking opening? It's over. We have an oligarchy who ownes the Congress, a weak President, a compromised media, and a medical industry hell bent on profiting at your expense.
Can anybody doubt that our government has been bought lock stock and barrel and is now in the hands of corporations? Liberal Dems if you're listening, you need to get money out of politics NOW. Kucinich, Sanders, Frank, you need to introduce bills to ban all lobbying, political bribes, perks, gifts and promises of corporate jobs right away. Fascists have taken over our country. You must act. It's now or never. People, hit the streets!
I've known all this since Bush stole the election in 2000'. Cheney is a madman and he is still acting like one. Do we really have a Pandemic coming this winter on Prime Time? We will if Cheney wants it! He owns a LOT of Tamaflu stock. Thats why we are going to have a Big Bad Pandemic. Well the joke is on Cheney because Tamaflu doesn't work! Isn't that something for Cheney! LOL
Oh, I stopped watching Televison Completely in 1998. I've been on the Internet... not just the web, for 19 years. Now, it is nothing like it was...
Now I get my TV from the web. CSPAN, PBS, National Geographics... etc.
All us "Hippies" in Oregon know whats goin' on.
ezflyer is soooo right. Big Protest in DC this coming weekend for single-payer!
Hit the streets indeed!
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
I sent the following to every member of the Senate Finance Committee:
"I can't believe that the finance committee is going to drop the public option from the senate health care reform bill. Without a public option, at minimum, there is no reform.
True reform would require a single-payer system, but I understand that Congress is far too myopic to consider the long-term benefit of the public in general, especially when Congressional members' campaign funds' financial health might be at stake.
If Congress passes legislation without a public option, then I suggest you disband both houses entirely. You can save us all the expense of paying for the charade you call the "legislative branch."
This failure can be called nothing short of contempt of constituency."
Very good, JH! Wish I'd said that.
I'm Donating to Common Dreams... as soon as I get my SS check. So if we all donate a litte... maybe they'll get a thumbs-up or thumbs down or a 1 to 5 star rating system and I won't have to write a comment just to agree with someone. Thank you for sharing JH.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." ~ Thomas Jefferson
Very nice -- short and to the point!
The funny thing is the economy will not get fixed until we get single payer, but they are too stupid and greedy (the two usually go together) to understand that. Upon this issue will depend the Obama presidency. If he wants to stop his numbers from falling, he better get out front with it.
1/2% VAT ( value added tax) on EVERYTHING, every daily $$ transaction, nationally---except on basic food groceries, supplements & medicine. The most fair, progressive, efficient, least wasteful, and simplest way to fund guaranteed health carte for ALL! You do the math.
1/2% VAT on a pencil all the way to 1/2% VAT on that yacht. Now, what's the total volume of $$$ transaction on any given day, multiplied by 365 days a year. Yes, don't forget 1/2VAT
on all stock market transactions, on all derivative transactions, etc.
Now that we've solved this most basic problem, let's move on to the next thing on the agenda: creating a REAL ECONOMY, restoring local economies, and re-establishing REAL WAGES & real earning power.
VERY WELL PUT...the amazing thing is - ALL the debate in the USA about economy, health care, war, wall street, banking, regulation, de regulation, privatization, public vs private, private/public, CEO pay, single payer, industries collapsing due to the burden of insuring workers, job-based insurance, hospital , hmo, provider conglomerates, ama, battles between different consituencies and organized interest groups, etc....EVEN racism and history ARE ALL
subsumed within the ONE thing that capitalism , usa style, considers ANATHEMA:
HIGH WAGES.
as Henry CK Liu of asiatimesonline puts it:
"the TRUE GOAL and character of a Successful, as opposed to a failed state - is to create a society that places PEOPLE ABOVE money - for Money , goods are not the True "wealth of nations" the True wealth of Nations is PEOPLE. without PEOPLE there is no Economy. and nations ought to aim for policy that is VERY achievable, QUICKLY and with stability:
FULL EMPLOYMENT at HIGH and EVER-RISING WAGES."
he actually dared to define - BOLDLY , one might say - something that few in the world ever considered for such SIMPLICITY and elegance of the concept:
"a benign economy that is based on policies of full employment goals at high and ever-rising wages ...that can tax itself in to be recycled into its national sovereign wealth credit to support more full employment at high and ever-rising wages ensures that no individual need EVER worry about retirement and old age - which is the goal of a moral society towards its people who are its true wealth -
for the securuty ensured by this self-perpetuating and maintaining prosperity through full employment at high and ever rising wages using the nation's OWN sovereign wealth credit - needing very little or no foreign capital money infusion towards its own internal development: the true destiny of EVERY nation , also produces people who are WEALTHY....and where EVERYONE is wealthy ...WEALTH becomes IRRELEVANT....and frees a nation and its people from the INSECURITY of old age or debilitation, to devote themselves to be as creative and productive as they can be, having no need to SAVE towards that insecurity , but become CONSUMERS of their own produce who contribute back to their society. ...and become people who produce with JOY for their fellow citizens...
MONEY Capital is not the true wealth of nations. the True Wealth of Nations is People".
from low wages comes DEBT economy if people can not truly afford what they produce . from that comes banking and institutional abuses of people and the transfer of wealth and power from people to the few . from that comes Tyranny of the powerful over the many ...and as Benjamin Franklin warned
about Wealth disparity:
"Democracy eventually arrives at Tyranny".
and that is FASCISM as is emerging in the USA.
I used to think that the Parliamentary system wherein a Governmnet could be brought down on a vote of NON-Confidence thus prompting another election , was a waste of resources.
I grow ever more convinced it a better model.
It certainly makes the representative more likely to pay attention to constituents. Knowing you can be subject to a vote anytime, not just in two or six year increments -- kinda like only being good in December because Santa will know "who's naughty and nice."
The only thing these politicians understand is money. They have to know that if they block real reform--Single Payer-- they will face primary challenges, they will have massive defections of votes to a third party, that they will face unrelenting pressure for electoral reform even if it takes a constitutional amendment. They need to fear us. That they will do what we want or they are out. These are hardball pols. They look at us and see weakness. They look at us and think we are easy to manipulate, bully or discourage. They dare us to attack. They think they are on the winning side. Are they right?
Just in............
By DAVID ESPO AP Special Correspondent
07/27/2009 3:33:54 PM
After weeks of secretive talks, a bipartisan group in the Senate edged closer Monday to a health care compromise that omits a requirement for businesses to offer coverage to their workers and lacks a government insurance option that President Barack Obama favors, according to numerous officials.
Single payer? Not even a public option! UNACCEPTABLE! TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
Does anyone truly doubt that the Corporate Tools in Congress and the White House value their campaign bribes from the Medical-Industrial Complex parasites more than our health?
C'mon! Nichols is living in fantasy land if he thinks we can persuade the Corporate Tools to vote in our interest and not in that of their corporate patrons. I have called, emailed, and met with my Representative, an alleged "liberal" Democrat in Queens, NY, along with experts on single-payer, and STILL, he refused to support H.R. 676. The fix is in. The fact that 22,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care (Institute of Medicine) doesn't mean anything to these Corporate Tools.
That Single Payer is the only solution to our Heath Care problem and covering the approximately 20 million or 25 million or 29 million....whoever is right about the number without health care.
That it is dead is beyond question at this point,. There is no opening, no hope it will be proposed and even if it was at this opoint these Bozo's have convinced everyone with the extremely bad ideas that they are presenting, no bill would be the best thing now.
In fact the best outcome now for everyone, including the uninsured is for the Congressional proposals to be squashed as they so richly deserve.
Damn these people.
You are right Henry8 -- I am sure we - many of us here, agree with that assessment of yours.
there is almost no hope left....as the rottenness is so deep and so widespread and ingrained....it's like a cancer that is now in every part of the body that will eventually kill anything that is left that is worthwhile to be called "moral, ethical, good"........
almost nothing is left but PURE EVIL.
Thanks Teddy. The American people are left and they are far better than their representatives! I still have great hope that if we can get past these corporate profit proposals this year, their three main bills go down to defeat and some people pay a heavy price in this Fall's elections, its possinble to ressurect a dialogue next year sometime about Single Payer. Get something real accomplished.
I kick myself for voting as I did and allowing more time to be wasted.
Henry8 -- we can all , each, probably kick ourselves for LOTS of things we knew or later learned we shouldn't have done.
but those are past things - we can only "move on" as obama says - EXCEPT -- to actually remind ourselves of our BETTER natures and choices . at least in our individual ways.
the problem is some very powerful people are REALLY bent on using that power to do what are impossible to define as anything ELSE but EVIL or cynical or exploitative ways...and they've erected such a powerful edifice to promote it.
the rest of us can only do what we can do in our small ways: starting with our conscience, i would think. and if there is a choice to be made - at least try our best to "side" with what we know is right and good that is beneficial for ourselves and others.
everyone is in it together .
i was VERY enthusiastic about obama SINCE 2004 speech he had -- i predicted to my friends:
"HE is presidential material, no question, he ever campaigns and gets it done - he IS going to be president because people are HURTING and need someone to have their hopes and dreams with - and he could be the man "
BUT i also cautioned :
"HE COULD BE DESTROYED by the establishment and swallowed up and spat out".
teddy
You're right, unfortunately he's been chewed up. And he should NEVER have put his trust in Pelosi and Waxman, let alone the Reids of the world.
We will win in the end, I simply have no doubt of it.
When it comes down to it, these worthless scum bags will do the only thing they know, nothing which will continue the status quo where those who can't pay don't get care or aid and those that get the care or aid, such as our elected scoudrels, with little or no pay.
Then whatever the fight, and it will be a fight, will be for somehow to get the private insurers in on the game for their profits and ability to direct what kind and whether there will be any treatment and the best way around all that is to keep yourself in great shape and health by eating right and exercising, that being something far too many people don't know how to do or just feel too put out to do thus the high rate of obesity in this country, leading to a myriad of health problems and these luckless people will have to turn to the government to be told what to do because I suspect those people, who can't afford the medical care will be denied treatment by those lowlifes making a 'killing' off their position of deciding who lives and who dies.
http://www.democrats.com/single-payer-committee-whip
call these congressman please.
i called all of them and only one said they support single payer universal health care.
the secretary at the Utah representative was very rude, so be sure to call them more.
and I am sure since Utah is a red state that they will be against single payer
Jeevee
Have you forgotten Chickenhawks? Look into The New Hampshire Gazette. You'll find it most revealing.
Bring America Back !!!!
**Say,, it's just okay for our beloved Representatives
to take summer vacation break with 50 million Americans
having no Health Insurance.
**The rationale for this is, the past 7 years they never missed a summer break===4500 dead troops in Iraq, tens of thousands maimed, injured, bleeding. Last week, the deadliest week ever in Afghan for our troops. And what do our guys and gals have to look forward to after Iraq== right a transfer over to Afghan. Thats their summer break I guess.
**So our Freaks on the Hill still have the same old set of priorities===themselves , and their pockets $$$$. Hell, Wars and Healthcare do not matter , not one bit !
**One more thing====any time you see expensive TV ads from
Neocon Big Meds proclaiming just how terrible Free Health Care is in Canada, England, Norway, Cuba, France==then go for it===FREE HEALTH CARE IS THE WAY TO GO .... These are the same Big Pharma, Big AMA Neocons who sold you the Global War on Terrorism====remember those big bad WMDs that never existed ????? I can tell you it is all the very same bunch.
Now that summer breaks are here, there will be time for lots of TV ads telling us just how terrible free healthcare is.
DUH....you gonna buy that..I sure don't. Obama refuses to recognize Single Payer, as well ! Happy summer, troops.
i recall a couple of years ago....i was in a line of customers at a telephone company outlet - one of the big ones..and people were witnessing this young blonde, all american, soldier -- he just got home from his iraq war stint - and he was limping with that big cane under one of his arms...he had been there - back and forth between that office and another office - the whole day according to his complaints...
and he was really tearin up in frustration as he was simply told that "no sir...the company can't erase those charges on your bill"....
as he explained that being in the war - he never was able to make those calls - amounting to hundreds , maybe thousands of dollars -- and he had bunches of papers to show his case....
and simply put -- those were going to stay - even if he said he had cut it off a long time ago , or something like that for his stint...
whatever the technicalities are - can a soldier IN a war - hunching up and down to kill, and avoid getting killed, have all that time to rachet up thousands in phone calls?...
and whatever the truth is - that soldier was just screaming and literally CRYING --
saying - i recall vaguely -
"THIS is what I come home to? this is what we believed we were fighting to protect? all THIS? FUCK THIS COUNTRY,,,PHUCK PHUCK PHUCK!!!"
you had to feel so sorry for him....regardless of what made him believe he was fighting for a noble cause - to see that "reality" in his own country says:
"YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER NUMBER FOR OUR PROFITS".......
must have been the most hurftul thing to realize - as a "good american"....
and he TOO - despite being a "murderer in uniform" sent by his government under false pretenses - is ALSO a human being. that did not have to be destroyed that way - and all his best be ground down in the ground like just an ant....
you wished you had all the money - tell him why it was wrong that he had to become a soldier to kill thousands of miles away - and just "close" his phone account so he can have a new life ...just so he would stop crying like a kid at the sense of betrayal BY
"THIS?.....this is what i come home TO?"
which is America itself.
and when i recall that afternoon - i cry -for what america DOES to its own people, corrupting them, enslaving them, making them run like rats to compete for crumbs , bringing out their worst instincts in order to get by or "get ahead" for tomorrow might never come, betraying their innocence as children , twisting them from decent people, especially as they grow up - into murderers in uniform , telling them they are "heroic" and then throwing them right back in to the Den of Wolves and parasites run by wall street and corporations.....
it is as heartbreaking as it is frightening ....how can a nation that calls itself great and its people BELIEVE it, do this to its own people, not to mention what it does to other nations?.
A "significant federal expenditure" should not be a major problem. A variation of the TVA could be used to raise money from private indivudals, pension funds and college endowments
Government backed health bonds, two variations, one paying 5% taxable - another paying 4% tax free - could raise large amounts of funding in a very short period.
At present, there are trillions of dollars of pension and mutual fund moneys - US and foreign - looking for returns.
If you could put some form of chek writing - much like a money market account - you'd give a great alternative to TARP banks that we'd all like to take down several notches.
State Pension funds would be willing to invest in bonds that help their state.
Foreigners would love the relatively higher government backed returns.
Interest on these bonds would be much lower than the savings that the public option would realize.
And with some modification, public ownership of the seed money might be accomplished with public ownership of the health system
If the public owned the public option, there could be no arguement of government ownership by the private insurers.
repeat edit
The most crucial point in the case for single payer, this author left out. That is the fact that the US Congress gets the very single payer plan, so many of its members seek to deny their constituents. The Hypocrisy of such a position is strongest point to bring up against such phonies. It would scare the hell out of them, and could cost them their "precious seat" in congress. That's the way for solid, stand their ground progressives to make the case for this. If that message can get out to the mass of people in this country, victory should be in reach.
I don't see Max Baucus nor Charles Grassley nor any of the rest of these "devout" backers of private health insurance industry health care for others, refusing the "terrible socialized medicine" for themselves. Now take that Max and Charlie! You're no damn better than a small businessman such as myself. Who the hell are either one of you? We pay your damn salaries and for all those "wonderful expenses" for this and that. Oh, it's "so nice" you folks just have a voice vote to raise your own salaries, leaving no way for people to see who voted for such an increase.
AD
AD July 27th, 2009 1:53 pm.........AD, I believe you have found the "Achilles Heel"...This is the CONgressional weak spot and is exactly where to get to these greedy bastards. And remember, the taxpayer pays the toll for these CONgressional scam artists. Here's a site I found that explains it pretty well..Could find nada on Wiki...hmmm...wonder why? Now, to get this into the MSM...good luck....See if one pundit has the cajones to to bring this up...Maddow....Olbermann?
http://public-healthcare-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/
health_care_for_the_us_congress
Can you imagine confronting a rep or senator with one simple question...."Why can't every one of YOUR constituents have the same healthcare that YOU are privledged to have?"
HOW COULD THEY RESPOND INTELLIGENTLY WITHOUT INSULTING THE VERY PEOPLE THAT PUT THEM THERE??
Obama let us down? Surprise surprise? Chicago politics gone national.
Single payer sounds nice but how will current and potential future dr"s react to being made Gvt GS 10's?
Will the best n brightest go to med sch, carry the debt load, the malpractice ins load, work the hours etc?
What has the Gvt successfully operated that you would trust them with your next stroke?
Cran Shaws July 27th, 2009 1:27 pm..............AS with Medicare and Medicaid...the government just pays the bills and does not "employ the docs". Please stop this propaganda. It's nonsense and you know it. Single payer works well in many countries in Europe. The ONLY reason we do not have it here is because the insurance companies and bankers run the CONgress. It's not rocket science. You pay taxes to have the government build your highways. If you don't trust those roads because the "government" built them, don't drive or even use public transportation. Maybe you can float around on a balloon.
With the Big Insurence Bloodsuckers out of the loop we can pay the health care workers more.
Debate is important because many politicians are in fact quite ignorant and have themselves fallen victim to the corporate propaganda that has accompanied them since birth. Obviously to any 'informed' individual, single-payer wins hands down, but keep in mind that most of our politicians know little or nothing about A) existing single-payer systems in the rest of the developed world, B) the relentless campaign by corporate American (particularly the medical industrial complex) to bad mouth, ignore and destroy any viable alternative to the current criminal cabal known as "healthcare" and finally C) if any politician had ever actually preached the roots and causes underlying this evil enterprise, they would have never been allowed to participate in the national political arena in the first place!
Having said that, many politicians know which side their bread is buttered on and therefore do their best to facilitate the medical mafia.
The excuse of ignorance, it seems to me, is much too kind. The politicians are not unaware of the popular will and its factual underpinnings. Nor have they "fallen victim" to the propaganda they themselves espouse to rationalize acceptance of all that "butter" on their bread. To the contrary, they originate a lot of their own nonsense without any outside help at all.
I wish somewhere there was a database showing and tracking how politicians accept lobbyist bribes and how their votes and stances change based on them.
Because I'm sure if it were publicized on healthcare, there would be a power shake-up.
Don't you wish there would be a "power shake-up"? Not going to happen. Lots of info is out, not only on the amount our corrupt elected officials take in contributions for their campaign costs, but also how much of their personal portfolios are invested in Big Pharma and the HMO's. We also know the vote count for giving the banksters their trillion dollar gifts (with no strings attached), and we know the vote in favor of continuing and expanding the wars, and of course the decision made by the Democratic Party not to attempt an impeachment for Bush and Cheney---we know these facts....BUT....people continue to believe that the Democrats are better than the Republicans and so there will be no "power shake-up" but a continuation of more of the same. Talk of change---is just that---talk.
Only when we the people get out on the streets and REJECT both corporate parties can any shake up or change occur.
Might not answer it all, but try , and spread the word;we are right, but too small. We must all do all we can to grow.
Might not answer it all, but try , and spread the word;we are right, but too small. We must all do all we can to grow.
Jeevee
Please research and GIVE us a base.
Jeevee
Please research and GIVE us a base.
John Nichols is right in the title: this is the opportunity to bombard one's Congressman and Senators with the clear message that Single Payer is the way to go.
SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE!
Am I blind? I can see no basis whatever for any rational debate.
To my knowledge, even amongst corporatist advocates, there has NEVER been a question of ANY for-profit program being able to compete with a not-for-profit equivalent on a level playing field. Ergo, the ONLY "competitive" possibility is to establish unequal programs on a tilted playing field, thus making any true comparisons impossible.
How can anyone even consider debating such a self-evident proposition. It's patently absurd.
Two points, Mr. Nichols:
First, please hire a proofreader.
Second, it's not clear what you mean by an "opening." If by that you mean the 25-19 committee vote to approve Kucinich's amendment for state-level single-payer plans then I think that you may be getting prematurely optimistic. I'd call that approval a brief respite from the relentless stream of bad news on this subject than an opening.
Still, I appreciate your cataloging of the pro-single-layer forces being marshalled in support of true healthcare financing reform. It's convenient to have them listed in one place (although I hope that your list is not definitive).
q
agingpacifist July 27th, 2009 11:04 am
While I appreciate your position on this issue, I must point out that your wish for our leaders to step up on this issue is a reflection of aging,a place I find myself. However, times have changed and corporate control of our government is much stronger than in the past.
As shown by pledging of allegiance at public events that we participate in robotically these days, we have lost sight of our founding principals. That we the people of the United States to promote the general Welfare and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves do ordain and establish this constitution.
It is our task to protect and demand that our government act in our behalf, particularly on this single issue, for our general welfare. We can not afford to lay back and wait for Obama or others to do this for us. It is hard for them to turn away from the drug and insurance industry that fills their pockets with cash.
Not to do this is to end up Henry and Louise empty heads wagging their tongues for equally empty headed Americans.
As I understand history (as a nonhistorian) FDR initially tried compromising with those to his right, much as Obama is now doing; given their intransigence, he ultimately determined that he couldn't compromise with them, and moved to the successful and popular development of more genuinely public programs. May history repeat itself.
This is a war, not a battle. We will have National Health Care. We have the ability to defeat each and every politician who fails to fight for the social and econmic security of this nation. The well trenched opposition owns the real estate, but smoke and disinformation cannot change the facts of the matter.
Every child, woman, man in this country requires health care. Only some of us pay for it. The only way to fix this is to Nationalize the system. Managed care has had it's day, and now it is time to move on.
agingpacifist July 27th, 2009 11:04 am........This should certainly be Obama's path. He's compromised every step of the way, so far, selling out the citizens that belived in his campaign rhetoric. I doubt he has the political weight, savvy and intestinal fortitude to follow FDR's path. It'll be up to us and we CANNOT BACK DOWN THIS TIME. We have swallowed every other compromise/sellout...TARP, continued surveillance, lack of accountability, Afghanistan escalation AND continued indiscriminate DRONE murder et al. WE have reached the saturation point. SINGLE PAYER MUST BE DEMANDED for us and our future. End of conversation. Write, call, email and march if it gets to that. The SOBs in CONgress are going on vacation, already counting their contributions from the insurance companies and hoping things cool down. DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH ANOTHER SWINDLE OF WE THE PEOPLE. GET SMART. WE MUST ALL WAKE UP!
Yes, it is time for posters here to put our opinions on the table of the politicians instead of only on each other.
You forget---It's their table, and they pay the cleaning lady. Hell, they own the building. Good luck getting in the door.
Nietzsche July 27th, 2009 6:34 pm....Numbers have the power if WE the People would only own that. NO door can hold back millions.