Protest Grows over Blackwater U.S.A Training Camp

I agree with Sina above me. In iraq they help. These people are men and women of the U.S. and to call them "the American Nazi Army" a quote from Chico, is just preposterous. The Nazis killed over 6 million people and tried to eradicate certain groups of people. To say Blackwater is the equivelant of the Nazis just shows the ignorence of todays society, especialy people with the same view as chico. idiot. I have seen pictures of kids, women and men cutting heads off of americans and spies that have been caught. If that doesnt open your eyes to the type of hate and inhuman activites that they have to deal with over there then you are dead inside. If you needed their help they would help u. Blackwater is help when needed and they are better people and have more honor than we could posibly try to achieve. Your opinion is your own, and its cool to disagree but do it reasionalby and in a fassion that doensnt make you look like a person who doesntknow what the hell your talking about. God some of you people are so freakin stupid, and i cant believe what im reading from you. Are u all liberals that failed school, or did your parents poke u in teh soft spot in your head when you were born. That would explain alot of your thought procecesses. You all need to grow some big hairy balls and start standing up to the real terrorists which is the people that blew up the twin towers and saw off heads in the middle east and lay off the true heros like Blackwater. idiots.

i personaly think the blackwater is a great milatary because they have way better training and the best guns and they kick ass when they fight. They can clear a room in 5 seconds flat. Also, they have less deaths so soliders have a better chance of comeing back home. Face it they are better trained and orginized then regular armys.

Also, its an honor to join the blackwater only the best of the best can join and believe me i would truely join if i had the chance.
P.S if you go to ww.youtube.com and seach for blackwater you can see how good they are with your eyes.

Blackwater is coming to Illinois, too. www.citybarbs.com

There were some enormous concentration camps built a few years ago in the Southwest as well....still empty.

All it will take is another "terrorist" attack (think- self inflicted BIO toxin) in the USA and Bush or the "War" Czar will kick in the SHADOW GOVERNMENT, call out the national gaurd? (LOL, aren't they in Iraq?) or better yet..... Blackwater U.S.A. Any "enemies of the state" (Liberals/Non Christians) that thwarted the BIO attack still living will be hunted down. Welcome to the "new world" order.

I am curious as to the location of the proposed Blackwater camp (near the US/Mexico border). Has Blackwater already won an un-disclosed, no-bid contract for deporting Mexican illegals (or American Patriots)? Will we ever know?

I remeber Hitler's "Black Shirts"
This is the same thing. The next step will be the silicening of the American people. Give some people a uniform and a weapon and they lose all their morals and what their mothers taught them.

The Boomers were the first generation to grow up with television (and during the height of the Cold War no less), and as much as we gripe about media monopolies today -- at least we have alternative radio, the internet, etc.

So I've wondered if there's a huge segment of the Boomers which grew up far more shielded from out-of-the-box ideas, alternative opinions, mainly exposed to the corporate networks. I've also found an important difference between cynicism (the crud that the right-wing radio propagandists put out there) and informed skepticism. The model citizen, IMHO, is an informed skeptic. Cynicism has no positive purpose.

So to get back to your question, I think the "talking points" need to be framed in ways that appeal to personal security, their interests (they were the Me-Generation after all), and to their children's interests. As they age, they'll begin to see the effects of political short-sightedness on their children. Perhaps in a nutshell, the X-Generation needs to socio-politically educate its own parents to some degree at this point? Arguably, some of this is also happening on its own, as the Boomers retire and spend more time online, exposed to new ideas. Sometimes for the first time.

Sorry for the type-o I ment "sheepill".

Jim you are correct but, how do we get the "speepil" to smell the coffee? Most of the republicans that still support Bush and Company are brain dead and will only follow over the cliff, how do you get them to open their eyes? We truly need some ways.

Blackwater is only one manifestation of a uniquely American brand of fascism that is emerging in our nation. Jeremy Scahill's recent book, Blackwater, calls attention to this Brownshirt operation and shows its close ties to religious fundamentalism, the Bush administration, and the Republican party. The Blackwater private army is just another component of the politics of fear, sleaze, greed and criminal behavior which has been the real "surge" in this country in recent years. As Americans we'll either need to strengthen our hearts, minds, and spines and begin doing everything we can to resist and change this situation - or we can remain in our stupor, stumbling along the road to self-destruction, hurting ourselves and many other human beings in the process.

I have a few opinions on this whole matter. Firstly, it further justifies gun ownership; and the more powerful the gun, the better. And I am not wholly for gun ownership, although I think everyone should be allowed to choose.
Secondly, I think this is a way Bush thinks he can get around the Posse Comitatus Act. Since organizations like Blackwater aren't a part of the US military then they can work inside the USA.
This is the job of each state's National Guard, not some private security outfit that isn't subject to any oversight. But the National Guard is busy in Iraq. This is a slow move down the slope towards groups like the Nazis SS, as has already been mentioned.
Thirdly, they cost the government much more money to employ and the value of the job they do is questionable. We can't privatize the military. And if these are private security firms, then why in the world are my taxes being used to pay them?
Last, but not least, we will begin to feel like we are being occupied. This will lead to nothing but violence, especially in the poor areas of the inner cities. There will be shootings, snipers, “collateral damage”, in short, it could easily lead to a war between the freedom loving Americans and those who want to control us. And my guess is that anybody would have a very difficult time trying to “take and hold” places like D.C. or L.A. We can't even get Iraq under control. Just imagine the arms and other weapons already in the USA.
These groups need to be made illegal. The proper job of the police and National Guard should stay as it has been. This country has had it's turmoil's in the past but I believe that a shootout with mercenaries would be a disaster. Just look at some history. The French in Algiers, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, on many others have all eventually led to failure. The people who always suffer the most are the young, the intellectuals, artists, and when they aren't needed any longer – the scientists. This is not even touching on the environmental devastation which depleted uranium would cause.
That's enough from me. Like the Bush administration – get rid of these parasites.

On the trigger. Shoot first ask questions and beg forgiveness later...in their own image!

Blackwater "contractors" are mercenaries, pure an simple. But it's typical of the Bush-Rove team to use euphemisms for every single wound they have inflicted on the US and the rest of the world
And it's OUR tax dollars which are going toward the $300,000 a year salaries of these hired guns instead of to the repair of schools and hospitals in New Orleans after the Katrina disaster

Blackwater represents the institutionalizing of a "Contras-like" entity, outside the purview and laws that our government has to abide by. By allowing them to exist, we as a people are allowing public support for group of Hessians that will be used to support and fight the battles of our corporate interests in developing nations. If General Electric cannot have its own army, then the next best thing is a private corp working side by side with our global hegemon, killing and terrorizing civilian populations outside the law.

It's interesting that the families of those contractors that died in Iraq have been protesting Blackwater and everything recently. If their family members didn't die, I'm sure they wouldn't have anything to say. Iraq is a volatile place right now and anyone serving there, especially through a private contractor, surely knows of the risk but bears in mind the lucrative aspect. It's definitely a risky gamble.

If a majority of Americans do not support the Iraq occupation anymore, isn't the practice of paying for the U.S. military and private contractors taxation without representation? I guess our representatives in congress have been entrusted to vote on starting this war and what to do throughout its inception, but I'm currently (and have been for quite some time) pondering how representative congress really is.

"When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?"

It's only a matter of time.

I remember when those iraq war contractors were busted/charged (nine times) for enslaving people. Women that have never been seen again or given the "crazy" pill. Whats keeping them from your kids? This is ridiculous to have in our "supreme" country. The Hague! Where are the real Minutmen from our Constitution! The Bush family has been at this too long. What was that trading with the enemy rule that was put in place in WWII?

Black Water doesnt have to follow rules,laws,or milatary rules of engagment. They murder kidnap and do just any thing thier leader and ruler George W. Bush comands. The question is when and how does it end. The people of the United States set back in thier chairs every night and watch national news and believe every thing thier told. How do you change that. Is all lost?

The only way to deal with outlaws is to be an outlaw yourself. That's becasue they have provoked the conflict and determined the rules. Those New Orleanians being hassled should have been issued AK 47's, RPG's, and whatever else it took to take these outlaws out.

Their training and other facilities should be treated like porn shops or brothels with citizen monitors taking down license plate numbers of all vehicles and photos of any and all people coming and going. Sunshine is the best disinfectant for such filthy scum as Blackwater.

These are the modern day equivalents of Musolini and Hitler's black and brown shirts. These Christofascist forces of intolerant domination and deserve to be shamed, hounded, and fought against by any and all means appropriate to the ocasion.

So glad to see attention focused on this issue. Now, if not mistaken, Blackwater is listed on the New York stock exchange.
Dear reader, ask yourself, are your retirement funds invested in Blackwater?
Are you, too, a war profiteer?

It's clear the US needs to spell out, in no uncertain terms, what defines a mercenary and what defines "private security". The fact that it has blurred this far suggests that we've long since departed from rule of law. I mean, it would be one thing if the definition was clear -- but we disagreed with it. It's another issue if the definition has simply been neglected. Shows that an awful lot of people haven't been doing their jobs.

In any case, it's somewhat a misnomer to call Blackwater a private army. We can assume they aid corporations (e.g. oil companies) and (if memory serves) they've been pictured as armed escorts for Rumsfeld and others in the mideast. As such, they are better termed a corporate army, i.e. a fascistic army.

What's always fascinated me is why they don't entrust the US military always in high-level protection capacities like that. The mind reels at the possibilities.

Circumventing any kind of oversight has been the norm for this administration since they got into office. IF the war in Iraq ever ends and we pull out where are all of these mercenaries (over 100,000 strong) going to work?

Private armies circumvent Congressional oversight. Pure and simple. Jeremy Scahill rasies that point several times.

Let me see if I have this right. American taxpayers are funding corrupt war profiteers with connections to the administration and without oversight or legal accountability, to do the same jobs our military should be doing for a fraction of the cost. Every day our real military grows weaker from lack of supplies, manpower and training while the corporate mercenaries grow stronger. If you wonder where this could all lead, let's not forget that Prescott Bush (W's gramps) was once involved in a plot to overthrow the American government after he got busted supporting the Nazis in WWII. Don't believe it? Check out "Maverick Marine" by Hans Schmidt or just Google ol' Presky. Those monsters don't call themselves Blackwater for nothing.

There is a comprehensive article on Blackwater in the April 2 issue of The Nation magazine: "Bush's Shadow Army," by Jeremy Scahill. I subscribe to the print version of The Nation, but this article might also be still available in their online version: www.thenation.com . The article begins with Rumsfeld's September 10, 2001 speech at the Pentagon, about his intent to downsize the regular military. There is a total lack of accountability, both for the actions of these guys on the ground (not subject to any rules such as the Uniform Code of Military Justice) and for the money spent. Further, read about Blackwater's plans to perform functions RIGHT HERE IN THE USA. It is totally scary. The article discusses some bills before Congress that would remedy some of the problems.

"Blackwater officials say they would like to use the land to train personnel for duty in Iraq, Afghanistan and anywhere else the Department of Defense needs help."

Like New Orleans, New York City, San Fransisco, Washington, DC this summer.

"contractor" deaths are not reported very often so using these mercenary armies is a way for the executive branch to put more force into foreign countries without congressional oversight and accountability. Also, by hiring private companies to do food service and other duties, the executive branch can claim we only have 150,000 "troops" in Iraq even though the foreign force in Iraq is much larger.

Blackwater has already shown their hand. It's an organization that needs to be disbanded, put out of business or whatever it takes. Just a group of thugs.

Blackwater is basically the American Nazi Army, enforcers of both corporate fascism and the KKK.
Since they are the antagonosts of this phony " War on Terror ", i.e. a world war against the 99% of us humbly trying to live a peaceful, quality life, I would be in favor of , say, a President Kucinich declaring war on them and having the US Armed Forces do to them what they've been sent to do to the innocents in the Mid East.
After all, this is about capitalism ( Blackwater-private army ) vs. " socialism " ( US Armed Forces-public army ), at least to that corpo-fantasist boy bush and all his militant predator minions.

exactly, a private army paid for by the hard working people of the USA>
Something definitley wrong w/ this picture.......

if it is a "private security company"
then why are taxpayers paying for it????????????
look it up.

All these 'private security firms' sound suspiciously like private armies...spreading themselves into our lives with intimidation. We know they were hired to 'protect' New Oleans...
Fascism indeed! Anyone old enough to remember how the SS started its work?