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Beyond Growth: Creating a Unified Progressive Politics
The U.S. political economy is failing across a broad front – environmental, social, economical, and political. Deep, systemic change is needed to transition to a new economy, one where the acknowledged priority is to sustain human and natural communities. Policies are available to effect this transformation and to temper economic growth and consumerism while simultaneously improving social well-being and quality of life, but a new politics involving a coalescence of progressive communities is needed to realize these policies. Yet, on the key issue of economic growth, differing positions among American liberals and environmentalists loom, a major barrier to progressive fusion. This Perspective proposes a starting point for forging a common platform and agenda around which both liberals and environmentalists can rally.
An Overarching Challenge
While progressives in the U.S. and its congress generally support both liberalism and environmentalism, separate organizations advocate one of the two causes and typically go their own separate ways.[1] In order to make headway on issues basic to a Great Transition, however, there must be a fusion of progressive causes; we must forge a common agenda and build a unified force on the ground. Why is this critical?
Consider a world in which environmentalists continue to lose on big issues such as climate change. Many observers see current trends leading to catastrophe, with environmental crises as major ingredients in a devil’s brew that includes such stresses as population pressure and energy supply problems; global income disparities and economic and political instabilities; terrorism, failed states, and nuclear proliferation. A world where environmentalists fail is one of food and water shortages; sea level rise; increasing heat waves, fires, floods, storms, droughts; deforestation, desertification, and biotic impoverishment; pollution and toxification; energy shortages; plus unpleasant surprises. The poor and powerless, even the average citizen, are unlikely to fare well in such a world.
In scenarios of the future, a continuation of “business as usual” can lead to a “fortress world” response to crisis, where the affluent live in protected enclaves in rich nations and in strongholds in poor nations.[2] In the police state outside the fortress, the majority is mired in poverty and denied basic freedoms. Military and intelligence experts also have warned that climate disruption could lead to humanitarian emergencies, refugees, and rampant conflict.[3] At a minimum one can conclude that unfolding trends threaten the liberal program. Historically, times of great stress, loss and instability lead societies to illiberal responses. Liberals must appreciate how serious environmental threats are, and that they threaten political and social systems, not just ecological ones. We all need to recognize that environmental threats are too serious to leave to environmentalists.
Questioning Growth
Another line of inquiry also points to the need for the greening of liberalism: what is required for environmental success? The basic conflict between environmental thinking and the current liberal agenda centers on economic growth, of which American liberals tend to be strong advocates.[4] Indeed, because of the unquestioning way growth is viewed in American politics, those fighting current battles in Washington have little choice in the matter.
Still, an increasing number of thinkers are urging another perspective, which reveals a world where growth has brought us to a perilous environmental state; where growth is proceeding with wildly wrong market signals and without needed constraints; and where politics has failed to correct the economy’s obliviousness to environmental needs. An expanding literature challenges the viability and desirability of endless growth in rich countries, where material wealth adds little to human well-being, and stresses the resilience of our finite planet. Tim Jackson writes: “The modern economy is structurally reliant on economic growth … Questioning growth is deemed to be the act of lunatics, idealists and revolutionaries. But question it we must. The idea of a non-growing economy may be an anathema to an economist. But the idea of a continually growing economy is an anathema to an ecologist.”[5] Economists talk of “decoupling” economic growth from material throughputs and environmental impacts, but the staggering pace and scope required to de-materialize a rapidly growing economy is not in the offing. Indeed, we have no choice but to question growth.
Among the myriad threats growth imposes on biodiversity and resources, the existential issue posed by climate disruption is particularly worrying. Many analysts have concluded that reducing greenhouse gas emissions at required rates is likely impossible in the context of even moderate economic growth. To reduce U.S. carbon emissions by 80% between now and 2050, the carbon intensity of production must decline by 7% every year, if the U.S. economy grows at 3% a year. That entails wringing carbon out of the economy at a phenomenal rate.[6] If the United States were to do the right thing – reduce emissions by 90 percent in 35 years – the rate of carbon intensity reduction would have to be 9.5 percent. Clearly, a tradeoff between prioritizing growth and prioritizing climate protection is emerging.
Yet, we can solve this puzzle. A recent model of the Canadian economy shows “it is possible to develop scenarios over a 30 year time horizon for Canada in which full employment prevails, poverty is essentially eliminated, people enjoy more leisure, greenhouse gas emissions are drastically reduced, and the level of government indebtedness declines, all in the context of low and ultimately no economic growth.” [7]
Building the political support for the systemic changes America needs requires, first of all, a political alliance among progressives, and that fusion should start with a unified agenda. Given the current split on the growth issue, one must ask: is it possible to successfully craft a common platform among American environmentalists and liberals? Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and so let me now offer a first draft of such a platform, concentrating almost exclusively on domestic, not foreign, affairs.
A Platform for Progressives
Today’s political economy is failing in many spheres of national life. The economic crisis of the Great Recession has stripped tens of millions of middle class Americans of their jobs, homes, and retirement assets. A social crisis of extreme and growing inequality has been unraveling America’s social fabric for several decades. Social mobility has declined, the middle class is disappearing, schools are failing, prison populations are swelling, employment security is a thing of the past, all while American workers put in more hours than workers in other high income countries. An environmental crisis, driven by a ruthless drive to grow profits and expand the economy regardless of the costs, is disrupting Earth’s climate and impoverishing its biota. And a political crisis has led to governmental paralysis and a democracy that is weak, shallow and corrupted by the consuming pursuit of money and the influence of powerful lobbies.
Why is today’s system of political economy failing so broadly? Key is the insight that major features of the system work together to produce a highly destructive reality: an unquestioning commitment to economic growth at any cost; powerful corporate interests whose overriding objective is to grow by generating profit; markets that fail to recognize “externalized” social and environmental costs unless corrected by a government itself beholden to corporate interests; and rampant consumerism spurred by sophisticated advertising. All combine to deliver an ever-growing economy insensitive to the needs of people, place and planet.
For the most part, liberal-progressives and environmentalists have worked within the prevailing system of political economy, but the big environmental and social challenges will not yield to this problem-solving incrementalism. Having gone down the path of incremental reform for decades, we progressives have learned that it is not enough. We need to reinvent, not merely reform, the economy. Because the roots of our problems are systemic, they require transformational change – the shift to a new, sustaining economy based on new economic thinking and enacted by a new politics. Sustaining people, communities and nature must become the core goals of economic activity, not hoped for by-products of market success, growth for its own sake, and modest regulation. That is the paradigm shift we seek.
The reigning policy orientation holds that the path to greater well-being is to expand the economy. Productivity, profits, the stock market, and consumption must all go up. This growth imperative trumps all else, though it undermines families, jobs, communities, the environment, a sense of place and continuity. Economic growth may be the world’s secular religion, but for much of the world it is a god that is failing – underperforming for billions of the world’s people and, for those in affluent societies, now creating more problems than it is solving.
It is time for America to move to a post-growth society where working life, the natural environment, our communities and families, and the public sector are no longer sacrificed for the sake of GDP growth; where the illusory promises of ever-more growth no longer provide an excuse for neglecting to deal generously with our country’s compelling social needs; and where true citizen democracy is no longer held hostage to the growth imperative. The claimed necessity for growth puts American politics in a straightjacket, giving the real power to those who have the finance and technology to deliver growth.
Of course, even in a post-growth America, many things do need to grow: jobs and the incomes of poor and working Americans; availability of good health care efficiently delivered; education, research and training; security against the risks of illness, job loss, old age and disability; investment in public infrastructure and environmental protection and amenity; the deployment of climate-friendly and other green technologies; restoration of both ecosystems and local communities; non-military government spending at the expense of military; and international assistance for sustainable, people-centered development for the half of humanity in poverty. In all these areas public policy needs to ensure that growth occurs.
Jobs and meaningful work top this list because they are paramount. We must insist that government take responsibility to ensure work for those seeking it. The surest, most costeffective way to that end is direct government spending, investments and incentives targeted at creating jobs of high social benefit. Creating new jobs in areas of democratically determined priority is not only better but also more effective than trying to create jobs by pump priming aggregate economic growth.
Of concomitant importance for the new economy are government policies to slow GDP growth, sparing the environment, while improving social and environmental well-being. Such policies exist: shorter workweeks and longer vacations, with more time for children and families; greater labor protections, job security and benefits, including generous parental leaves; guarantees to part-time workers and combining unemployment insurance with part-time work during recessions; restrictions on advertising; a new design for the twenty-first-century corporation that embraces rechartering, new ownership patterns, and stakeholder primacy rather than shareholder primacy; incentives for local and locally-owned production and consumption; social and environmental provisions in trade agreements; environmental, health and consumer protection that include full incorporation of environmental and social costs in prices through, for example, mandated caps or taxes on emissions and extractions; greater economic and social equality, with progressive taxation of the rich and greater income support for the poor; spending on neglected public services; and initiatives to address population growth at home and abroad. Taken together, such policies would slow GDP growth, yet quality of life would improve. In this policy mix, the importance of work time reduction must be stressed.[8] For example, if productivity gains are taken as shorter work weeks, personal incomes and overall economic growth can stabilize as well-being increases.
Beyond policy change, another path to a sustainable, just future is to support innovative models. A remarkable phenomenon in the United States today is the proliferation of innovative models of “local living” economies and for-benefit businesses which prioritize community and environment over profit and growth. State and federal programs can support community development and finance corporations, local banks, community land trusts, employee and consumer ownership, local currencies and time dollars, municipal enterprise, and non-profits in business.[9]
Parallel to these changes, national values must evolve so we can move beyond our runaway consumerism and hyperventilating lifestyles. The environmental and social costs of American affluence, extravagance, and wastefulness keep mounting. The good news is that people sense a great misdirection of life’s energy. We know we’re slighting the things that truly make life worthwhile. In one survey, 81% say America is too focused on shopping and spending; 88% say American society is too materialistic. Indeed, psychological studies show that materialism undermines happiness. More income and possessions do not lead to lasting gains in well-being or satisfaction. What does make us happy? Warm personal relationships, and giving rather than getting.
Toward a New Politics
Everything said thus far about the transformation of today’s economy underscores the need for strong and effective government action. Thus, the drive for transformative change leads to the political arena, where a vital democracy steered by an informed and engaged citizenry is fundamental. Yet, for Americans, to state the matter this way suggests the enormity of the challenge. The ascendancy of market fundamentalism, anti-regulation, and anti-government ideology has been disturbing, but even if these extreme ideas declined, the deeper, longerterm deficiencies would remain. Just as we need a new economy, we need a new politics to get there.
Building the strength needed for change requires, foremost, political fusion among progressives. A unified agenda would embrace an interlocking commitment to both social justice and environmental protection; a challenge to consumerism and commercialism and the lifestyles they offer; a skepticism of growth-mania and a democratic redefinition of what society should be striving to grow; a challenge to corporate dominance and a redefinition of the corporation and its goals; and a commitment to an array of pro-democracy reforms such as campaign finance and regulation of lobbying. A common agenda would also include an ambitious set of new national indicators reflecting the true quality of life in America. GDP is a terrible measure of national well-being and progress. We tend to get what we measure, so we should measure what we want.
How likely are environmentalists, liberals, and other progressive constituencies to unite around this proposed common agenda? Everyone might agree that some of it is ahead of its time, certainly in terms of U.S. politics today. Yet if some of the ideas seem politically impracticable today, just wait until tomorrow. Soon it will be clear to many more people that business-asusual is the utopian fantasy, while creating something very new and different is the practical, pragmatic way forward.
Liberal and environmental thinkers can begin a dialogue focused on the issue of growth and on the goal of progressive fusion. That approach supports the goals liberals see growth as supporting, notably job creation, while still accepting the underlying reality, namely that GDP growth in America today is not delivering on its intended purpose – better human lives – and is, meanwhile, at the root of environmental losses and the emerging climate crisis. Our growth fetish will not be missed after it is outgrown.
In summary, then, let us imagine the following: a decline in legitimacy as the system fails to deliver social and environmental well-being, a mounting sense of crisis and loss, a new American narrative or story, the appearance around the country of new and appropriate models, and a powerful set of alternate ideas and policy proposals showing a viable path to a better world. If these factors are joined, prospects for change brighten, advanced by a powerful, inclusive social movement.
All progressive causes now face the same dark reality in a political economy that cares profoundly about profits and growth, and about society and the natural world only to the extent it is required to do so. Thus, citizens must inject values of justice, fairness and sustainability into the system, and government is the primary vehicle for accomplishing this end. With government more and more the pawn of corporations, the best hope for change lies in a fusion of those concerned about environment, social justice, and true democracy into a powerful progressive force. We are all communities of one shared fate. We will rise or fall together, so we had better get together.
References:
[1] This Perspective focuses on politics in the United States, a major international player for good or ill in the planet’s destiny. Clearly, addressing climate change requires an inclusive international approach, and deemphasizing economic growth will need international cooperation, as well. But the United States is well behind much of the industrialized world on both issues, and it’s important to try to find a way to move the country forward on these fronts.
[2] P. Raskin et al. Great Transition: The Promise and Lure of the Times Ahead. Boston, MA: Tellus Institute, 2002 (http:// www.gtinitiative.org/documents/Great_Transitions.pdf ).
[3] G. Dyer. Climate Wars: The Fight for Survival as the World Overheats. Canada: Random House, 2010; M. Klare, Rising Powers, Shrinking Planet. New York: Holt, 2008.
[4] For a recent articulation of this viewpoint, see R. Reich. Aftershock: The Next Economy and America’s Future. New
York: Random House, 2010.
[5] Prosperity Without Growth: Economics for a Finite Planet. London: Earthscan, 2009.
[6] J. G. Speth. The Bridge at the Edge of the World: Capitalism, the Environment, and Crossing from Crisis to Sustainability. New Haven: Yale University Press, 2008.
[7] P. Victor. Managing Without Growth: Slower by Design, Not Disaster. Northampton, MA: Edward Elgar, 2008.
[8] J. Schor. Plenitude: The New Economics of True Wealth. New York: Penguin, 2010.
[9] A good example is the community-owned Evergreen Cooperative. Gar Alperovitz and his colleagues underscore the policy opportunities in Making a Place for Community. New York: Routledge, 2003.


65 Comments so far
Show AllIt is definitely true that we need to get beyond material growth to improved sustainable lifestyles. But where do we start?
1)Stop the Wars wasting 5.5 billion gallons of fuel while cheap oil is running out
and costing over $1 Trillion annually
2)Stop Auto Addiction which uses up 3 times the oil per capita of Europe,
accounts for 35% of greenhouse emissions, leads to obesity, over 30,000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of injuries per year at a cost of many billions of dollars
By first running Green Transit on the transit we already have which is actually only 3/4ths mile away for 70% of working age Americans in 100 US Metro Areas
we can both create jobs running the public transit, save money for people who
could reduce their car / transit expenses which are 2x that of Europe, and
save greenhouse emissions and pollution.
Next we need to get parts of the 233,000 miles of Rail already existing in the USA back into service or build new public transit down the median of existing highways.
Of course we need to transition to solar power, wind power etc and also
spend on improved insulation and energy efficiency.
All these things will create more jobs in the short run.
In the long run, however, to be realistic, ultimately more energy efficiency and
Ecological lifestyle will reduce certain jobs such as long-distance truckers,
highway repavers, auto manufacturing.
So work hours will have to be shortened to insure everyone has a job.
Which is a good thing anyway!
Right On, and the only mention of war is in the footnotes reference to a book called "Climate Wars".
If Progressives buy this kind of politics, I ain't no "Progressive".
I definitely do not disagree with most of Mr. Speth and the other poster wrote, but I was in one of the first Public Interest Research Groups in Ohio, and I do not like to think about how long ago that was (more than thirty years), and we were making some of these same recommendations made above then. Not much has really improved, and much has gotten worse. Where are all these progressives to be rallied? Even though Creep II stole two elections, more than 35 million people did actually for him, even against their own interests. Educate the public? When is that going to happen? Worker's rights? When is that going to happen? The working class always, always, always turns on each other before doing anything meaningful.
So, what financial mechanism is driving this grwoth?
Interest is the applied mathematical concept for all financial computations from simple interest loans to leveraged buyouts to pyramid schemes. Only the interest rate and compounding period vary, not the mathematical concept. Described mathematically, compounding interest creates an exponential growth curve, which starts out level and eventually curves infinitely straight up. As long as the compounding period and interest rate are greater than zero, the resultant curve is always exponential in shape given enough time. Applying an exponential growth concept upon anything has the expectation that the anything will grow forever at an ever-increasing rate. Nothing physical can grow perpetually at an exponential rate. Collapse is inevitable.
Since the Fed issues money in the form of debt, interest is embedded in money itself. The emphasis of growth will continue until this monetary virus is rectified.
http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/1/9/1633663.html
"Since the Fed issues money in the form of debt, interest is embedded in money itself. The emphasis of growth will continue until this monetary virus is rectified."
You're exactly right. And the bankers are not going to voluntarily let go of the gravy boat. So if the people/workers want the things that Speth is suggesting, we will have to DEMAND it. Mass nonviolent direct action over decades offers the ONLY potential to succeed. Hopefully one of these days we'll all suck it up and make it happen. Time is running short.
Right on article and comment from orbit7er.
What's missing is what's next. Some suggestions:
Those on the left could focus on creating jobs for improving energy efficiency and green infrastructure. Retrofit houses to be more energy efficient. Restore rail lines and create a nation-wide fiber optic network. Provide incentives like low-interest loans to businesses to convert to more energy efficient equipment and methods and to home-owners for installing solar.
These measures would be seen as reasonable by most Americans, so they wouldn't be a hard sell.
Pay for it by restoring a progressive tax system (which the majority of Americans support), and by deflating America's military industrial complex -- a cancer that's destroying the country it purports to protect.
As the article points out, we need to go much, much further -- We need to change our economy and our culture to value life and people over profits, and to put the long-term viability of our planet above our immediate gratification.
"As the article points out, we need to go much, much further -- We need to change our economy and our culture to value life and people over profits, and to put the long-term viability of our planet above our immediate gratification."
And again, that's not going to happen without mass organizing and nonviolent direct action campaigns over the next 20-plus years. The problem is that too many people prefer to wait until things get out of control bad for themselves before they're willing to make the sacrifices necessary to succeed. This is a recipe for disaster, particularly for the bottom two-thirds of the population (whose composition is constantly subject to change).
This is an excellent article describing where we need to go in terms of evolving a new economic system not based on growth, at least growth as we have conceived of it at the expense of other values. In the short term politically, I am not very optimistic that we will change course. There is no evidence of political leadership including from the President or political parties that would bring this about. In fact, the political momentum is to reinforce the existing system. We can't seem to extract ourselves from misguided wars with no clear purpose that are costing a fortune. It is probably more likely that like an addict, in this case addicted to growth, we will not face change until we hit bottom. I don't know for sure what that is but at this point it looks like a systemic financial collapse. From the ruins we may be able to build a more sustainable system.
"It is probably more likely that like an addict, in this case addicted to growth, we will not face change until we hit bottom."
But those with addictions can and have broken free before hitting "bottom". Some of those addicts that were unable to escape and hit bottom ended up dead, never really recovered, and/or created a real mess as they got closer and closer to the bottom.
So don't be resigned to "waiting" for collapse to gain the opportunity of renewing or rebuilding society. A meaningful proportion of us can break free from the system now, and work at ways to quell the addiction before it becomes too severe and leaves potentially unmanageable levels of damage in its wake. Building a mass resistance movement is an option we should embrace. While unlikely to be 100% successful, it could conceivably mitigate a lot of pain and damage along the way. And what's the alternative? Sit around and watch a massive train-wreck unfold?
an economy is not a feature of a natural system...
unable to overcome our fear of our violent oppressors, we have rationalized such fear into an admirable complicity, joining them in their suicidal destruction of our world...
we cannot do this, and survive..
the planet is not ancillary, but primary...
the economy, the human race, is ancillary...
how can we have this so backward?
it will all be much clearer, soon...unfortunately...
in the abstract, growth, as that of a living thing, may be good...or not...
on this planet, in economic terms, growth is death...literally...
When a writer makes the choice to be polite with the prose, then the trurth cannot be mentioned. In this case, the current paradigm is absolutely immoral and Barbaric, but that truth goes unmentioned because too many people are vested in living within that paradigm and are incapable of seeing why/what is so wrong. Indeed, it is almost impossible to live a moral, civilized life given how the current paradigm operates since externalities exist whenever one does most anything, especially if one's electricity is generated by coal or another fossil fuel, with nuclear not being far behind. There's one reality I think the author ignores: People are very unaware of the gross immorality and Barbarity of how they live, and when confronted by that stark fact ignore it as you described in the example you proviided on the other thread because "They can't handle the truth." Instead, they lie to themselves usually unconciously on a daily basis and so perceive nothing wrong with their "normal" behavior. It's the same when people admit they oppose the terrorism waged by the federal government, yet they continue to support terrorism with their taxes.
The aim of the author is well intentioned, but I disagree with his use of soft prose in his effort to persuade. There is also the lack of any difinitive definition of what constitutes a Progressive or Progressive Politics, probably because soft prose isn't suitable. Capitalism is Immoral and Barbaric. Period. As is any economic system that's exploitative or generates externalities as both harm and are Barbaric. And unless the poisons it generates can be contained and its ecological damage repaired 100%, any economic system relying on Industrialism is also Immoral. It may seem that a Civilized economy is impossible, but that's not true. If we **desire** to live Civilized lives, then we will have a Civiized economy. But to reach that goal, how our lives are lived today must drastically change. And for that to happen, people must be convinced that the way they are now living is destructive, Barbaric, and Immoral.
I agree. And those of us that already feel that way need to meet and organize in their communities, help educate each other, and inspire as many as they can to join together in an effort to build a powerful resistance movement at the grassroots.
If the political dystopia took the obvious merit and value of the ideas presented seriously (which in reading the technocrats who post here gives me little hope) such an agenda might evoke the type of change the author seeks. While this is a noteworthy beginning, it still winks-out on the obvious political problem. The system is currently in the hands of corporate hegemony and funds the campaigns of those who will ultimately be responsible to make legislative corrections that transition us to the sustainable programs required. While I agree with the tone of the article, and in sympathy for its commendable goals, without concomitant legislative dislocations which prohibit the influence of money that poisons the congressional feeding trough, these ideas will be still born. But there is always this disconnect between various calls to unit under a single banner when those who profit off of the corruption infiltrate these groups and use them to consolidate their own power. One need only take a look at the current grotesque monstrosity of the Obama Admin as a case in point.
If you polled each point made in this article, I am convinced the majority of people in this country would agree with them.
But, the problem with progressive organizations is: there are far too many of them. Progressives need to speak with one voice in order to be effective.
Not gonna happen. Stupid humans, hurry up and die already.
"With government more and more the pawn of corporations, the best hope for change lies in a fusion of those concerned about environment, social justice, and true democracy into a powerful progressive force."
That is just what is needed.
A powerful progressive force would require a viable 3rd party, and that could mean the end of lesser-evil voting and the election of a progressive government.
Would you kindly give some thought to what exactly should be done to bring about this fusion, then get back to us?
We are already emerging into a new operating system for our culture. James just didn't know the name...
World 5.0
http://world5.org
A feature length documentary work which presents a case for a needed transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the entire world society. This subject matter will transcend the issues of cultural relativism and traditional ideology and move to relate the core, empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival, extrapolating those immutable natural laws into a new sustainable social paradigm called a "Resource-Based Economy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
Thanks Speth and CD for writing and publishing this magnificent article. I've always been among those who argued that environment need not be sacrificed for economy and vice versa. In an age of quarrel, chaos, and uncertainty, the best we can do is not only work on improvements ourselves but also put great ideas together so that just maybe we'll be lucky to quieten the storm.
"The basic conflict between environmental thinking and the current liberal agenda centers on economic growth, of which American liberals tend to be strong advocates"
Mr. Speth's premise is false. There is no division between liberals and environmentalists because liberals are environmentalists. The "liberals" he refers to are the neo-liberals who advocate laissez-faire capitalism and its economic growth.
I agree, but just to clarify, "liberals" AND "environmentalists" believe in growth. Thus there's no real difference between them on the growth issue. Many environmentalist's may tout more "clean" and "efficient" growth propelled by pie in the sky (because it's simply not scalable) renewable energy solutions, but they do not directly confront the "economic system" that keeps "growth" dangerously alive.
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"You clearly have no concept of what constant growth MEANS."
No offense, but could you stop acting like an idiot. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CONSTANT GROWTH MEANS!
YOU are apparently making the inaccurate ASSUMPTION that I'm IN FAVOR OF GROWTH.
However, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF GROWTH, and NOWHERE in my post does it imply otherwise!
"You make an absurd statement that " "liberals" AND "environmentalists" believe in growth, " when unsustainable growth is all about the end of the environment ......"
Again, this is NOT an "absurd statement", but was simply provided as a declaration of FACT. Environmentalists DO NOT in fact attack the capitalist or monetary systems, two of the key imperatives that allows growth to continue on its merry way. And again, I was NOT in any way giving my APPROVAL to either liberals or environmentalists for holding on to a pro-growth perspective. To the contrary, both groups need to overcome this mental roadblock, and quick. We need to be discussing ways to get to a steady-state economy as soon as possible. That will invariably require a reduced "standard of living" for virtually everyone (except maybe the poor), which of course includes both liberals and environmentalists.
But BOTH groups don't really believe or act on this because they are typically influenced by special interest money and/or beholden to the God of technology, particularly as it relates to alternative and renewable energies, increased efficiencies, and substitutions (which, in their distorted view, could keep growth and thus their lifestyle alive).
In the future, try not to jump all over someone for a particular viewpoint unless you're more sure that the view is in fact in conflict with your own. And if we are still in conflict, please be more specific/detailed in your objections and drop the unwarranted ad hominem attacks.
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I "over-genralize"?
"..... a sign of a weak and unimaginative authoritative mindset ...."?
"You have many issues ....."?
To the contrary, one who consistently and rashly makes unwarranted assumptions, habitually and explicitly avoids specific points of contention, and then subsequently proceeds to dismiss an opposing argument with vague and arrogant critiques is not worth anyone's time and energy.
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Nice try, but in response to the following comment of yours ....... :
"I said initially that "You make an absurd statement that " "liberals" AND "environmentalists" believe in growth, " when unsustainable growth is all about the end of the environment"
....... I DID NOT respond with the following, as you claim in your previous post:
"YOU are apparently making the inaccurate ASSUMPTION that I'm IN FAVOR OF GROWTH."
Instead, the full context of my response was this ...... :
"I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CONSTANT GROWTH MEANS!
YOU are apparently making the inaccurate ASSUMPTION that I'm IN FAVOR OF GROWTH."
....... AND, ... IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COMMENT that you made! Indeed, it was in response to the following assertion that you originally made:
"You clearly have no concept of what constant growth MEANS."
So please, stop wasting my time by not even accurately transcribing our previous conversations.
In response to this comment of yours .... :
"I said initially that "You make an absurd statement that " "liberals" AND "environmentalists" believe in growth, " when unsustainable growth is all about the end of the environment"
...... I responded with the following:
"Again, this is NOT an "absurd statement", but was simply provided as a declaration of FACT. Environmentalists DO NOT in fact attack the capitalist or monetary systems, two of the key imperatives that allows growth to continue on its merry way."
Obviously, by the term "environmentalists" I'm suggesting that the dominant persuasion (particularly most of those in leadership positions) has not demonstrated a serious resistance to the economic structures that literally depend on exponential "growth". I'm clearly NOT suggesting that EVERY American citizen that considers themselves an "environmentalist" avoids serious political confrontation with our economic system (although I do suspect this is the case with most). And that is in fact a valid "generalization", not an "over-generalization", and it is not a "red herring" or a "straw man" argument. To the contrary, it gets at the heart of why "environmentalists" have generally taken one step forward and two steps back over the past 30 years.
"Your obfuscating response, avoided and denied your demonstrable deceit, by launching a diversion and feigned being hurt, saying emphatically that you didn't share that point of view -- as if I had both accused you of that AND implied that you had said so -- all the while completely avoiding clearing up that you were lying about others supporting growth."
That's the most convoluted paragraph I've read in a long time. Not only is it barely intelligible, it's laced with reckless suggestions that I'm somehow hiding ulterior motives (".... demonstrable deceit ...", "feigned being hurt", and "lying about others supporting growth"), all of which is a figment of your imagination, or suggests that you have the gift of online telepathy.
" ..... saying emphatically that you didn't share that point of view -- as if I had both accused you of that AND implied that you had said so..... "
Hey Sherlock, in case you've forgotten how this conversation got started, here's my original comment (which was to a previous poster), and your first response:
"I agree, but just to clarify, "liberals" AND "environmentalists" believe in growth. Thus there's no real difference between them on the growth issue. Many environmentalist's may tout more "clean" and "efficient" growth propelled by pie in the sky (because it's simply not scalable) renewable energy solutions, but they do not directly confront the "economic system" that keeps "growth" dangerously alive."
Your response:
"You clearly have no concept of what constant growth MEANS."
If this initial comment of yours is not an "accusation", and/or is not implying that I may be something other than a "liberal" or an "environmentalist", or that I may be pro-growth myself, or ..... what the hell is it? The fact is, your initial response made no sense because NOTHING in my original post suggested that I didn't understand "constant growth". As a result, I was left with simply speculating as to what your confusion might have been from. So, I merely guessed that you were "APPARENTLY" making an inaccurate assumption that I was in favor of growth". I'm STILL at a loss as to how, in response to my original comment, you could have been so confident I had "no concept of what constant growth MEANS". Care to take a stab at finally clearing that one up?!
"How does my challenging what you CLAIM liberals" AND "environmentalists" say about growth ....."
But in your entire first comment to me you never actually challenged that position. So I'll ask you to quote any section from your "first" comment to me that "directly" challenges this contention of mine.
"You continue with oblivious drek, again over-generalizing that "Environmentalists DO NOT in fact attack the capitalist or monetary systems."
So even one counter example of any environmentalist that does in fact "attack the capitalist or monetary systems," make you what -- a liar ?"
This is like really RIDICULOUS. Of course, not ALL "environmentalists" refuse to seriously and directly confront our basic economic structures. Virtually NO ONE would ever read that extreme a view into what I actually said (except maybe you). And that is not the point anyway. The point is, MOST "environmentalists", even the leadership, address mainly tiny "individual" remedies that address things like efficiencies (e.g., drive hybrids, use reusable grocery bags, etc.), or they lobby government to improve "regulations" to corporate pollution. Most do not seriously and relentlessly attack through rhetoric and action the capitalist and monetary systems themselves.
SEE "CONTINUATION" in the next comment:
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Hey, HERO-4-INANITY
RE: Your P.S. comment:
"No, I don't think you really know what constant growth really means, because it is a physical impossibility, over even finite time.
Specifically, was the concept of "constant growth" even directly relevant from the beginning of this increasingly banal discussion? No, it was not. OBVIOUSLY unending "growth without limits" is impossible in a finite world. Perhaps you're familiar with Dr. Albert Bartlett, or the "Limits to Growth" studies/books?!"
Anyway, the point is, I NEVER in ANY of my replies gave ANY direct indication that I didn't have "any concept of what constant growth MEANS". And you've never specifically attempted to contradict this fact with quotes from me that would suggest otherwise.
As a result, it has become more and more clear that your responses are nothing more than pathetic, mean-spirited and ultimately inane. And therefore I will not continue in this type of dialogue any further.
You're welcome to utter your last words of tripe in this increasingly unproductive exchange. But I, and nobody else, will be reading.
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.......... CONTINUATION from above:
"Where IN FACT, do you respond to anything that I really said ( proving your "avoidance" ), or provide even a scant appearance of clarifying what I CHALLENGED of your "assumptions," other than irresponsibly to "dismiss" what I've attempted to clarify with specific examples and explanations."
They're contained all through my comments, including this one (the one above). Are you blind, or lacking basic comprehension?
You on the other hand have given no "clear and specific" answers on how "environmentalists as a whole" are seriously challenging the capitalist and monetary systems themselves. Do they make an organized and serious effort to collaborate with the "anti-capitalists" or the "anti-fed" groups in direct action campaigns to resist the fundamental underpinnings of the current economic system? No. Do they regularly and publicly chastise (verbally/written) pro-growth, pro-fed policies or legislation deliberated on and approved by Congress? No. Do they propagandize and give off a false sense of security in our ability to continue our basic consumption habits because of the "hope" of alternative and renewable energy technologies? Generally, yes.
Where are your specific challenges to this fundamental view?
Gus is right on w/ What, Why, When, Where....but
How does a caterpillar become a butterfly?
Stops consuming. Stops growing. Yes, but then. Attaches to a sunny branch near like-minded caterpillars. Envelops itself in a protective domicile. And waits.
At some point, Noah stopped trying to convince others, went home and built a boat.
The Titanic's lookout (Gus) sees the iceberg, and calls out, "Full left rudder! All hands portside! Engines, full reverse!...And let's start to make some major alterations to the design of the ship!" The Fat Lady has stepped into the spotlight and sucked in a big breath.
The dominant paradigm is finished. To try to convert it is to waste the little energy we have available to build our cocoon/ark. When it sees our success, it may convert itself. If it doesn't... maybe "full spectrum hubris" floats.
"The only things that work well are the things that work the way Nature works."---Black Elk, 1930.
Perhaps it is time that I just quit.
This article is based upon the idea that there is something about humans which must survive or even prosper because we are superior to ourselves.
I find myself thinking about the Shakers and the Mad Hatter.
We need to pay people to daydream and leave the world alone.
We are incorrigible and our gods are devils.
Mr. Speth says a lot of things with which I agree, but not one word about war, the greatest environmental disaster of all. The tone of his article reflects the "reasonable" tone we hear from Obama the war president all the time, and seems to want to unite disparate elements for environmentalism. But environmentalism, feminism, socialism and all the other isms mean nothing when our country continues to slaughter innocents every day. Stand up for peace first. The rest will follow. Refuse to stand for peace and you can go to hell, where killers belong.
"Stand up for peace first. The rest will follow."
That's the sole reason I'm advocating Ron Paul, to the great ire of some. His foreign policy of keeping our noses out of other's business both at home and abroad is a direct afront to the whole National Security State. Gaining Peace by doing away with war ought to be the #1 goal of a Progressive. Some don't think that goal is worthy of being #1. I'll let your final sentence speak for me too: "Refuse to stand for peace and you can go to hell, where killers belong."
+ 1.
Another thing I have learned in dialog with the Paul people is the government tends to like to expand the money supply though things like QE which fuels exponential growth. Keynesian Federal mega projects also fuel the growth at all costs mentality. Tying the money supply to something in a limited quantity like gold would slow down this overheated engine of growth. IMO it's a possible hidden tie between environmentalists who want to limit unsustainable growth and people critiquing the bankster run Federal Reserve and it's unsound money.
IMO unless we have these sorts of creative discussions where we all learn from each other history will keep repeating itself, and that history thus far been one of unsustainable exponential growth and rapid species extinction. :(
Yep. Fiat monetary systems can print as much paper as politically desired. Pretty basic Econ 101: an increasing--inflating--money supply also increases prices. Money supply problems were the primary cause of every economic depression prior to the introduction of the FED because for political reasons no National Bank existed. Thus the country was dependent on a disjointed often insolvent banking system that issued its own printed currency. And mixed with that was industrial and agricultural script. US banking and finance history is an interesting saga filled with all sorts of villians and dark politicos and still is. But the War Problem is far more important to resolve than the currency problem. People need to get it into their heads that there's no such thing as a pro-war progressive.
Fiat currency is a problem when employed by a private, non-publicly accountable banking system... A democratically controlled, public central banking system could be trusted to wield this tool if it is sufficiently regulated and overseen by responsible management.
On the other hand, requiring gold reserves to back up a currency ends up being a windfall for the banksters and other private investors who will always get a edge up on systems dependent on a limited supply of a precious and rare commodity like gold. Pegging the dollar to a basket of common commodities is a better solution than tying it to gold. The trust required to employ a fiat system will come with a gov't itself that is worthy of trust, and nowhere else...there is no private institution which can provide similar reassurances, and anyone why argues otherwise has a different agenda than public prosperity in mind as they do so.
Cheers
To me the point wasn't so much the gold per sae but that expanding the money supply either leads to faster economic growth which the planet can't stand, inflation which hurts the poor most of all, or bubbles with attendant crashes which also produce misery. What the currency is tied to matters little to me, what matters more is getting the left thinking in an analytical framework which includes economics. As just a laundry list of complaints (most of which I agree with,) but no model of society, for understanding WHY we get oppression, war, etc, we are lost IMO.
Just because many of the left felt burned by Marxism is NOT a reason to give up rational, analytical, abstract thought in my strong opinion. As merely isolated identity groups, clinging to superstition like "spiritual" New Age thought, we are easy pickings for the oligarchs. We need to be smarter and tougher than that in my very strong opinion.
The Prarie Populists of the 1870s-1900 incorporated a very sophisticated political-economic argument into their basic platform that would only require slight amendment for it to apply today. If you have access to a college library, get "Democratic Promise: the Populist Moment in America" by Lawrence Goodywn; even the abridged edition is excellent. There's a very good reason US schools only grudgenly and sparsely teach this time period in US history. Grieder's "Secrets of the Temple" also provides a good historical review of why the FED was created besides detailing its operations. For a grad school seminar, that's about a week of reading. Once you learn what the Populists were able to accomplish, it's hard to understand today's wimpish efforts to do most anything.
I will check it out, thanks for the tip.
I was thinking to myself, 'nothing here I can find disagreement with', then I arrive at, "clinging to superstition like "spiritual" New Age thought, we are easy pickings for the oligarchs". So long as we can agree to eschew 'superstition' and some types of 'New Age thought' I also have no difference of opinion. But the fact that you put in "parenthesis" the word spiritual, most likely means you don't have a firm grasp, or perhaps it's appreciation for what the term entails for most people.
Let's move away from "New Agey" terminology, and tell me whether you believe that the following could be good for organizing the left:
A. Belief in a better way, or the chance for a better tomorrow
B. Compassion and synergy with others in dynamic/intuitive appreciation of shared goals, shared beliefs, shared stories and metaphors (i.e. mythologies and legends).
C. Awareness of our limitations and relative inconsequentialness in the face of complex cosmic realities, as well as complex, sometimes frightening life realities on Earth.
D. A simultaneous awareness that we can overcome many of these limitations by an irrational connection with powerful and essential frames of reference and internal balance and coordination which cannot come through reason or analytical thinking. These come from centering, harmonizing, meditating on absolutes, as well as simply freeing the mind of distraction and dialog, to gain an intrinsic perspective of the true inner reality of the universe, our bodies and ourselves.
Now, that may not sound necessarily like 'spiritualism' or 'spirituality' to you, or it may not sound like what we on the left need more of, but in that regard, I would have to strongly disagree, with all respect, guitarist
Cheers, and Namaste
All this spiritual bullshit has utterly blunted the lefts ability to do rational analysis of the control exerted by the plutocratic wealthy elite. The only "complex cosmic realities," are those described by physicists like Stephen Hawking in "A Brief History of Time."
I can be creative, love music and art, and imagine what relations would be like in a society in which both capitalist and state coercion are removed without believing in pretend fairy story cosmic energies bullshit.
Marx was right when he said religion (and bullshit energies) are the opiate of the masses. More anger at oppression, and hard nosed analysis please!
I also admire Marx, his dialectic of human productivity, and his life's mission to reverse Capitalism's exploitation of the less privileged in society. I'd go so far as to consider myself an adherent of most of his ideas.
But history has the capacity of lending one greater perspective on the lives of those who have been perpetually portrayed as legendary flag bearers to great movements. These people are often portrayed, even by themselves, as something other than, and greater than what they really are. Don't get me wrong, Marx was a great man, but he's not exactly all or what he and his followers have traditionally held him to be.
Marx was admittedly descended from a liberal background. Among others, his disciple Lenin professed a belief that the socialist intellectual vanguard arises from this class (who have a better access to and affinity for academia) — the intelligentsia itself is usually more or less difficult to distinguish from the liberal class, as they "they live in a manner comparable to that of the bourgeois" due to higher income and less labor oriented occupations.
What I'm trying to get at is that the differentiation of 'leftists' and 'liberals' in Marxism is largely one of irrational allegiances, and adherence to an irrational agenda/worldview that does not bear full logical scrutiny. Liberals are liberals, because of their 'beliefs', and true Socialists are socialist for the same reason, their beliefs, and their belief in a irrational structure of moral value, called socialist revolution.
There is nothing wrong with this in my mind, but my argument is that this is a type of quasi-religion, not a truly scientific movement, and that it's lead proponents and luminaries are quasi-religious figures, not purely analytical philosophers.
There are a number of pieces of evidence to support Marx being a intuition based leader, given to creating and perpetuating mythologies about himself:
Marx largely rejects the Hegelian dialectic as merely one of mind, and one which is part of the effect, not cause of history. But he simultaneously adopts the core precepts of the Hegelian dialectic. He has much more affinity and owes more to Hegel's inspiration than he should bear animosity towards it. Similar to my point about liberalism, above. Likewise, Marx is a utopian, and demonstrably so, but he rejects this label, and the thinking of other utopianists. In general, my response to his, and his followers need to perennially establish contrasts with others that came before or after him is, 'I think they doth protest too much.' Socialism is very much another form of spirituality.
I would raise the same argument with atheists who cling with irrational exuberance to their need to stifle other, less rational thinking and holistic approaches to understanding. In the end, they want to dismiss intuitive thinking with their own absolutists ideologies, wielding ideology like dogma. Agnostics are less intellectually disingenuous in this regard than atheists about spiritual concerns, which is merely to say concerns based on an understanding which cannot occur through rational analysis. In fact, the assumption that reason, logic and science are superior methods to guiding life are themselves moral, and intuitive ideas. Any declaration that rationalism is superior assumes this idea axiomatically... i.e. it is an ontological, and prima facie argument, belonging to none other than the cosmic truths you claim to eschew.
As far as I'm concerned, this is part of the hard nose analysis you are asking for. I look forward to any further response.
Cheers
I wasn't meaning to get off on a tangent about Marx, I prefer Kropotkin actually, but I think there are things to be learned about central banking for example from the for example Austrians who are wrong about pretty much everything else. The overall point is the left needs to re-focus on difficult to read abstract socioeconomic theory like say Thorstain Veblen, Orwell, Gramsci, and ditch this crystal gazing and astrology bullshit. More Naomi Klein and Chomsky please, fewer rants about Mercury in retrograde and other distactionary time wasting bullshit!
Nothing wrong with creativity, intuition, and brainstorming IMO as long as people acknowledge it is human synapses firing and not the great Pooba beaming their brain with "cosmic energy."
re: "The overall point is the left needs to re-focus on difficult to read abstract socioeconomic theory like say Thorstain Veblen, Orwell, Gramsci"
OK, got Orwell, Klein and Chomsky covered, all three are central to my political thinking. As far as the others, I only have so much time at my disposal.... Including Kropotkin, which work by all the above do you most highly recommend? I'll pick up the cheapest copy I can find online right away.
You may notice I don't refer to astrology much. My 'spiritual' inclinations tend towards Taoist/Buddhist/Pantheist/Panentheist/Neoplatonic directions, and I generally am neutral regarding interpretations of divination/prescience and fate. Some have a gift for this, and intuitively are able to apply it in ways that can be transformative and revelatory. But I prefer to remain focused upon consciousness expansion, and the accessing of less common brain-states which in turn allow me to utilize a greater percentage of my brain's potential. There is also much to say for intuitive connectivity to others, and the Biosphere which is stifled in academic and overly rational discussion.
I guess to summarize, in 'spirit' (hehe) I can very much agree with your sentiment. But I have come to the conclusion that we are all split beings, with a need to function and exist simultaneously in both an analyitical/cause-effect/rationalist setting, ruled by the neo-cortex and our semantic processes, and a primeval/intuitive animal mind ruled by the limbic brain, and open to non-linear awareness. While one part of us can process and manipulate complex concepts, and can predict and create its own outcomes, the other side must be convinced by trust building, compassion, intuitively shared feelings, 'synergy', 'interconnection' etc.
Iow, people simply don't respond only to reason and good argument — in fact, I'd say they rarely do so. Far more often, the irrational side decides on an action more or less unilaterally, and the rational side comes up with rational excuses for this action. That's just an unfortunate reality of human nature.
Thank you for the references guitarist, and please do let me know your reading recommendation. We have had a few contentious interactions in the past, but I definitely respect your conviction, conclusions and intellect. If your interested, my personal top authors on this subject include (but are by no means limited to) Aldous Huxley, Alan Watts, Carl Jung, Terence McKenna, Fritjof Capra, Calvin Luther Martin... and for a more ecological perspective (to me ecology and spirituality are effectively synonymous), Paul Stamets and Bill Mollison are two that immediately spring to mind.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
—Albert Einstein
"Far more often, the irrational side decides on an action more or less unilaterally, and the rational side comes up with rational excuses for this action. That's just an unfortunate reality of human nature."
In other words propaganda, I refuse to go down that road, the activist left is better than that IMO.
As for Kropotkin I'd recommend Mutual Aid, which is not just a social theory text but a look at symbiosis in evolution and written in l902, WAY ahead of it's time, and available free online:
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/mutaidcontents.html
Huxley is brilliant IMO, and Terrance McKinna an entertaining loon who smoked WAY too much brain damaging DMT, the others listed I would put between those two poles. :)
I went ahead and ordered a copy (used of course) of Fugitive Writings and Mutual Aid. I really have better retention, and just greater enjoyment reading a physical book. Much easier on the eyes, and therefore brain, I say.
This will clear up an important missing piece, as I've read mention of Kropotkin but usually was pulled into reading other anarchists works and ideas. Having delved into Marxism for a few months, I'm eager to gain a much better familiarity with the minds and ideas central to anarcho-syndicalism. I've got some work ahead of me. I'm currently finishing up on some works on neo-liberalism (know thy enemy) and economic/financial treatises on effective, bottom-up macro-economic solutions. In all, I've been doing a lot of eye-opening reading.
One last thing: Yes, sure, McKenna may have fried his brain somewhat, but he has some key, and I think legitimate theories on the role of mind-altering substances in the evolution of the psychic and semantic abilities of humans, and thus the entire fabric of human culture. No, a lot of his work cannot immediately be confirmed by hard science, and some of it is truly 'just out there', but there's definitely a good baby there, sloshing in the bath water. Worth saving and even contemplating imho.
But hell, if you like Huxley, we have more than enough ground to find at least some agreement about the dualistic nature of consciousness and what he termed 'the perennial philosophy'.
I'll let you know about my progress with Kropotkin.
Thanks for giving Kropotkin a try. The good stuff is at the beginning and end of the book. Emma Goldman DIsillusionment in Russia has a lot of good info on how Bolshevism failed in practice, and Orwell's Homage to Catalonia a lot on how the working anarcho-syndacalist Basque region of Spain was crushed by both the Commies and fascists. The Green left anarchist Murray Bookchin is another neglected thinker with a lot of good ideas about how to do sustainable non statist collectivism at
a local level IMO.
The standard definitions for so-called economic 'growth' & GDP are totally arbitrary & materialistic- IE; what is & how can there be a 'jobless' economic recovery! How can there be economic growth & hi unemployment at the same time? Anti-environmentalists / pro-corporatists always say choose between the environment or employment. Yet since the roll-out Friedman style economics, GATT, NAFTA & the WTO, etc- the economic well-being of the average worker both in the US & in the so-called 3rd World has Not improved! They have even gone so far to suggest that focusing on a green econ will mean reverting back to the horse & buggy & log Cabin days - as if that is even feasible or realistic! But we don't have turn back the clock to the pilgrim days to encourage Public transport over private automobiles, or that a family have 1 car instead 3, or that car efficiency standards require at-least 40 - 50 mpg instead of 25 mpg. Yet the current econ growth paradigm encourages the reverse! .
Thus the standard definition of so-called economic 'growth' relates to the 'well-being' of the corporate & power Elites! And it has led to the over-consumption of too much material Junk resulting in far too much waste- for corp profits! But as the author has noted too many so-called 'liberals' aren't really prepared to actually challenge the under-lying assumptions of the current economic / political neo-liberal system! In fact too many so-called 'liberal environmentalists' prefer to say the main danger for the environment is too many [generally Black, Brown & poor] People!
I feel that there must be a new religion, followed by people of love and reason, who believe in the sanctity of the continuing thriving of all life on Earth. Without this level of deep re-programming, humanity will continue to commit great harm onto itself.
We need an international Spiritual/Mental/Psychic reappraisal, metamorphosis and reclamation. And we need it soon.
I do not want another world war over food or fuel. I do not want the millions of precious species of Earth to go extinct. I do not want humanity, our future, our children and grandchildren, our genetic code, to be turned into socially engineered servants in a global and dystopian Brave New World. These are ultimate values to me, religious values. I want healthy, organic life to thrive and to maintain over the coming millennia, and I want humanity to awaken from this nightmare of endless and mindless consumption and uncompensated exploitation.
To me, love of Earth, and love of the various beings, plants, animals, and their ancient genomes — All the life upon our planet... this is as sacred as any text about Jesus, Buddha or Muhammad. This is too real to just let others with ancient religions (and faulty modern 'corrections' of them) dictate the terms. There needs to be a new religiosity to defending and uniting to defend LIFE ON EARTH. And some would likely say I speak blasphemy.
Is it only me who sees/believes this?
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
—John F. Kennedy,
"I feel that there must be a new religion, followed by people of love and reason, who believe in the sanctity of the continuing thriving of all life on Earth."
For those who feel the need for religion, there has been one for quite some time that offers love, reason, the abhorrence of warfare and general progressive good sense.
Unitarian Universalists accept all denominations as members, along with agnostics and atheists.
www.uua.org/
re: "For those who feel the need for religion, there has been one for quite some time that offers love, reason, the abhorrence of warfare and general progressive good sense."
"Unitarian Universalists accept all denominations as members, along with agnostics and atheists."
Certainly a good place to look into, and in line with at least some of my thinking. I have attended some gatherings in the past and recommend those who are interested to take a serious look into what they have to offer. Just doing a quick review of their 'Seven Principles and Purposes', is pretty convincing.
But ultimately, what I am wanting to bring up is the urgent need to preserve not just our souls, but the actual living breathing evolving biosphere itself. The sanctity of the genomes within it require an even greater admiration and reverence than can be reflected within the 7th Principle and Purpose: 'Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part'... I'm speaking in terms of a spirituality centered specifically on the sanctity not of spirit, but of life itself, of Biology, and of our humanity in relation and deep dependence upon it.
I guess my intention is to get people thinking at least in this direction. I applaud all who have already found memes, integrating messages and frames that help good people come together for our common good. This is what its about: to take back the meaning, and the meme writing machine from the angry small minded monkeys, and give to the humans seeking greater understanding, and a more healthy, harmonious future. That's what religion is about, it's who gets to program the memes in society. We must take this power back and give it to the people who deserve to wield it.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about a religion in the traditional sense, rather a unified movement based on a commitment to universal human needs, and universal human values, based on vigorous science and with only teachers, healers and artists filling the role of the 'priesthood', if there even needs to be something called that.
Mammon has served its adherents well in the last few centuries... hidden often behind a sacred shroud or pro-patria flag. Isn't religion just a memetic unifying principle, a social glue, a banner under which those of shared needs and beliefs can come together and celebrate their shared vision of a better tomorrow? Isn't that something that can happen without a 'chosen one'? And no, I'm not auditioning for the role.
This article reads like an elaboration of the Green Party platform. The vehicle for challenging politics as usual already exists; it just needs more people to jump on the bandwagon.