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Spengler for Dummies
Nearly a hundred thousand people flocked to Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally. Entire families drove in from distant states. They wore red, white and blue, carried American and Don't Tread On Me flags. Some brandished a Christian standard, white, with a red cross on blue canton. A man peddled a self-designed, quite attractive Tea Party flag. "Haven't sold as much as I would like," he complained to me, adding, "I'm unemployed." One woman wore a T-Shirt, "HARD GLOCK CAFÉ." Another, "NOT RACIST, NOT VIOLENT, JUST NO LONGER SILENT." They heard Sarah Palin proudly declare that she spoke "not as a politician. No, as something more -- something much more. I've been asked to speak as the mother of a soldier." This, from a woman who is nothing but a politician these days, having relieved herself of all official duties. Aiming for 2012, she's already a very long nose or two ahead of all other stumpers. "Say what you want to say about me, but I raised a combat vet, and you can't take that away from me," Palin reiterated. The sunbaked faithful then heard Glenn Beck urge them to "pray on your knees, but with your door open for your children to see."
So it's basically God, guns and country, which is familiar enough, but what made this event truly bizarre was Beck's decision to claim Martin Luther King as predecessor and inspiration. King spoke out against our military adventurism, while Beck and Palin celebrate it. King thought the money wasted on bombs and more bombs should be redirected to social programs, "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." The Beck and Palin crowd, on the other hand, only scream about big government when public funds are allocated humanely, not destructively. They hate taxes, yet never rail against the biggest looter of our treasury, the military industrial complex. If King were alive, it's doubtful he would want to share the same stage with these grinning, cynical bobble heads, Beck, Palin, or even Obama, for that matter.
If the Beck crowd consider Obama a Socialist or even Communist, what do they really think, deep down, of the much more leftist Martin Luther King? But King was murdered 42 years ago, so he can be evoked quite harmlessly. For clues into Beck's thinking, one shouldn't look at any Civil Rights leader, but Oswald Spengler. Spengler was obsessed with the decline of civilization, particularly White civilization. He equated culture with honor, which is inculcated and apotheosized by the military. With its hierarchy and stress on duty, the army provides the ideal social model. Equality means anarchy. Spengler even dismissed rationalism, defining it as "the arrogance of the urban intellect, which, detached from its roots and no longer guided by strong instinct, looks down with contempt on the full-blooded thinking of the past and the wisdom of ancient peasant stock."
The Beck crowd also don't much care for urban intellectuals, for these tend to be "politically correct" and "liberal." These don't pray on their knees, if at all. They mix with other races. Some of them are gay. Spengler despised liberalism, which he saw as a gateway drug to all forms of decadence: pacifism, nihilism, freedom of the press, even jazz and "negro dances." Spengler complained that liberals were striving for "the greatest happiness of the greatest number." How dreadful. Enfeebled by liberalism, the white race was becoming vulnerable to usurpation by the "Yellow-Brown-Black-Red menace." Spengler lamented, "How far in fact have the white nations advanced towards pacifism? Is the outcry against war an intellectual gesture or a serious abdication from history at the cost of dignity, honour, liberty? Yet life is war."
A war between the races, that is. Within each race, however, there is also a threat from below, from the riff raff, less refined elements of society, especially the types that swarm and fester in the city. Spengler, "The Western Civilization of this century is threatened, not by one, but by two world revolutions of major dimensions. In both their real compass, their profundity, and their workings have so far escaped recognition. The one comes from below, the other from without: class war and race war."
Today, what do we have but a black, supposedly Socialist president? One who's also a Muslim, as 18% of Americans somehow manage to believe. To protest against this darkness, this Spengler's nightmare come to life, many disturbed citizens drove hundreds of miles to our nation's capital, though not without trepidation, since it has a 55% black population. It will be worth it, since there, on that vast, white stage, is a normal looking, somewhat sexy white woman, soccer mom, deer hunter and breeder of combat soldiers. On top of that, she comes from one of the whiter states, so her values are OK. Sarah supports big oil and big military, just like Obama, actually, but he's only faking it. Dude's a Socialist. In two years, all of this will be over.
According to Spengler, no dialogue or cooperation is possible between the different races or classes. The life of Martin Luther King proves that he was dead wrong.




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Hypocrisy be thy name!
Hoa binh
I'm with Bowie on this one: afraid, very afraid.
King was assassinated PRECISELY because he spoke out against militarism, racism, and greed (extreme materialism), the values which Beck (the seller of gold) and too many other USans now REALLY worship, despite their pious intoning of "Christian" values and prayer.
His most important speech, usually ignored by the Ruling Class and their propagandist flunkies in the Corpstream Media, was Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence. Delivered 4 April 1967, at a meeting of Clergy and Laity Concerned at Riverside Church in NY City, exactly a year, to the day, before his assassination. One of the famous lines from this speech is still chillingly relevant, and should have been put on huge posters with King's name in D.C. to oppose Beck's insanity: "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."
For the full text of this still very relevant speech (substitute "War on Terror" for "Vietnam War"), see: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm
Exactly.
""A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." –(Martin Luther King)
"Two riders were approaching, and the wind began to howl!"
–(Bob Dylan, "All Along The Watchtower."
The 'spiritual death' King spoke of in 1967, is now all but an ex post facto reality in America; nothing is more indicative of its tumescence than the barbarity of the Beck/Palin 'million moron march.' There is no evidence to the contrary, as the excrescence speaks for itself; it is a 'prima facie' case, whose mere existence serves as its own judgment.
The point is to put it out of its misery, not let it lurch on in an obscene ambulation, like a deranged and lethal Frankenstein monster, in the throes of spawning a blood embolism.
"Your ideas are terrifying and your hearts are faint. You acts of pity and cruelty are absurd, committed with no calm, as if they were irresistible. Finally, you fear blood, more and more. Blood all the time."
–(Paul Valéry)
"Ain't no life nowhere!" –(Jimi Hendrix, "Manic Depression.")
For it must be understood that Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin do not merely 'speak' crimes, but 'are' themselves crimes.
Jimmy was awesome. Saw a lefthanded guitar slinger play with Roger Waters in Portland once. There's just something about a southpaw's playing. Different and transcendent.
VashkarKim-
Always appreciate your astute analysis and insight.
Yet... despite you surgical analysis, I submit the only way to kill the beast is to let it run its course. This nation is infested with a terminal cancer and radiation and chemotherapy will only prolong the misery.
This cancer will unfortunately kill the host, but what is the alternative?
We cannot vote ourselves out of this clusterfuck - it's just not possible.
Though a Socialist I will vote Palin/Beck, or Palin/Sasquatch for that matter, to hasten the metastasis and inevitable end.
I welcome the impending chaos. This diseased forest will never rejuvinate without being razed to the ground.
"I submit the only way to kill the beast is to let it run its course." –(kalki)
This solution succumbs to the realm of the 'a political,' a lapsed failure of will and a regression into a moral infantalism– in truth a willful failure of consciousness akin to a formless libertarianism.
I can understand your thinking here, except 'letting it run its course,' may not kill the beast as it may be playing 'possum.' One must be preparing for what comes after by acts of mentation.
Killing the beast is one thing; burying it is another. The preparation is all. It must be retired with extreme prejudice and that takes, 'consciousness' as well as 'conscience.' It must not be allowed to choose its own death but result from a collective expression of a common struggle.
"Try Again. Fail Again. Fail better." –(Samuel Beckett).
Long days ahead. What is now only invisible, becomes visible. Accelerate the process. Sitting back and watching will grind you into the dust. Better not to vote at all.
I see little difference between the religious end-timers and the political ones; both long for a violent apocalypse.
For once, you're right and I agree. You are aware that people here don't listen to that. But what took you so long to figure it out?
I will have to reconsider my position.
Yeah right, just because I agree with you. Gotta love that flinching. Sure you don't wanna be sincere about your position?
Shawn,
When I posted my statement about political/religious end-timers I was expecting either no response or a erudite, well reasoned, possibly bombastic one from vashkarkim. Instead I got agreement from the class clown.
Why do I call you that?
Below are all of your postings up till now in this thread. One is another of your knee jerk attacks on SiouxRose, two insult everyone posting on CD and one also asks why it took me so long to figure something out. Of your five postings only two aren't insulting someone.
If you don't want people to flinch when you agree with them start responding more about the postings and less about the posters.
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If you're typing here, then you're also dependent on industrialization. Why get angry then? How about a balance?
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Bravo onemantribe, bravo. You know what they say, it's easier to hurt than to help. Posting and self-congratulating is all they do here.
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Er, your talking to an authoritarian hypocrite. She can't be bothered to learn.
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For once, you're right and I agree. You are aware that people here don't listen to that. But what took you so long to figure it out?
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Yeah right, just because I agree with you. Gotta love that flinching. Sure you don't wanna be sincere about your position?
There ya go again. I didn't talk about Rosie here but you spill out your bias just as I expected. Admit it dude. You biased and you can't stop getting personal just like your buddies. I never said anything against flinching but it's your own personal weakness. You know how stupid you act when you try to blame someone else for your personal weakness? I know one your buddies will show up to cover your bacon and I'll have another laugh. When you try to make someone else a clown, you end up being the clown. I know your bias so don't try to lie about it. I know, you itching to talk about my "venom on Rosie". Go ahead. Hey, you lost and you knew that you were biased until vashy blew your mind away. You could have easily beaten me by admitting that I was right and you were wrong on that one or you coulda told me that you figured it out a long time ago but weren't in the mood to say so then but you made a mountain out of an anthill again. You still don't get it. But hey, keep your bias dude. Thanks for playing and losing. Better luck next time.
The problem today is that far too many who think they want to carrk on the legacy of a Martin Luther King, do so out of the potential money to be made or as a "political move" rather then out of Conviction.
Martin Luther King is one of my favorite Americans out of history and I cast a juandiced eye towards any suggestion that somone tries to speak in his name.
The fact is there ARE no more Martin Luther Kings and should one arise the media would not cover said person at all or s/he would be shot before they gaines that sort of stature.
Today I imagined a new South Park episode that would have one Sarah Palin giving birth to a whole army of full grown, full equipped, combat vets--all ready to fight for restoring the honor of praying on your knees with your children watching you.
Unless you buy into the supremacy dictum and follow the plutocrats, you might as well lay low and stay very quiet.
American history is peppered with resistance towards the attitude, and has always ended in death for the resistors.
For a limited period of time, there has been a change in the atmosphere, and the result has been more riff raffs than racists. The seventies was one of them.
But the plutocrats attitude continues. Unless we have some one stand up to them every now and then, it will continue.
It wasnt just King. It was Savio, the Kent State four, Salazar, Malcom, Ginsberg, Ellesberg, and Carter, Rosa Parks Brown vs. the board ...........
Today we have maybe Nader, Chomsky, Grayson and Kucinich.
I am just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round.
Love
Zero
It is deeply troubling that minorities continue the drumbeat of oppression and disrespect to us misunderstood white people. Why, just the other day my shoeshine boy at the country club complained when I said, " shoeshine boy, would clean me and buddies golf shoes again, they just look dull and dirty. " Then, when were dining and drinkin' in the 19th Hole Lounge the Mexi waiter and the Chink cook got all bent out of shape when our party complained about their attitudes. All I said was, "if you people want to prosper you gotta learn the American lingo and such as that. " I'm findin' these people all over the place nowadays with the same ungrateful attitude. It's gettin' to where you can't compliment a black woman on her naturally fine big booty and even the hot Latino babes are takin' offense. These people don't understand and will continue to drag down our culture and heritage, under God, of course. Next thing ya' know a Gupta Dupta will try to run for president and sacred cows will be roamin' on the White house lawn. Sheesh, I just wish these people would learn to relax and take up golf and American football. Maybe me and da' boys will start a minority outreach program teachin' NASCAR appreciation to inner city youth so they'll get with the program. Anyway, I just thought of creatin' a dialogue, as the dirty hippies put it, to explain my feelings about Glen and Sarah. P.S. I wouldn't kick ol' Sarah out of bed for eatin' crackers. Hell, I'm a cracker and I like snacks like her at bedtime. (Wink,wink).
Pitch perfect!
What is really interesting about this is the way the very same attitudes are sublimated and mitigated by 'appearances' of sophistication in the populations of supposedly 'civilized' cities like San Francisco.
It is America after all, and the 'cloth is whole,' the continuum seamless– whether it is in the Manhattan soirée sipping white Burgundy or the red neck caddy shack drinking 'lawnmower beer.'
Thanks, y' all can't 'magine har darn much fun it was sharing my most interpersonal thoughts and feelin's with ya', was. What I don't get atall is'n if your in Manhattan what the heck thar's to be feeling sorry about. My favorite lawnmower beer is Old Style, or, as we call it down here, Dog Stool. Have a goodin'.
One of the more interesting aspects to all this Palin/Beck song and dance show is that the 'leftist' and pc people they deride are perhaps most exemplified by the Hollywood crap which laid the very groundwork they needed to achieve their celebrity status. The horrid part is that when they run for pres/vp, they will probably win on that celebrity status, just as Reagan and W did.
A hundred thousand came to their rally. That is enough votes to elect a dog catcher in Des Moines. A hell of a far cry from enough to make a president. So watch the media try to make her smart enough to be pres. After all she is almost as smart as W .....
I knew " an animal control officer " when I lived in Des Moines. It was down by Roosevelt H.S. Fine fellow and he didn't like hunters and louts. So, please, don't mention his election prospects in the same paragraph with Sarah and Glen. FYI- His nickname was Chance Muttgrabber, ring a bell?
I suspect most if not all in Beck's audience have Authoritarian personalities.
Details at this link:
http://www.gossamer-wings.com/soc/Notes/race/tsld007.htm
People with this personality type exhibit the following traits:
excessive conformity
submissiveness to authority
intolerance
insecurity
superstition
ridged, stereotyped thought patterns
So Beck being one of their leaders can invoke King, Spengler, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, (and yes there is one, Google it!) and they will just gobble it up. This is why Obama can be both a Fascist and a Socialist at the same time, (because if Fox News says it is so, then it MUST be true!) These people will believe pretty much ANYTHING their leaders tell them to believe. This makes these people VERY dangerous, indeed.
NC: Keen observation, and I agree. I would add that no study (to my knowledge) has been done linking the high percentage of "natural" authoritarians with early exposure to (and indoctrination by) fundamentalist religions. These tend to traumatize young, tender minds with thoughts/images/rants of "hell and damnation." If you grew up believing the slightest misbehavior would cast you to an eternal hell, you might do what you could to adhere to rules, i.e. follow "the straight and narrow."
I remember as a teen understanding how this idea of hell really managed to keep millions locked into a form of captivity. It was not difficult for me to fly over that Cuckoo's Nest. The law of karma made far more sense.
But then there are those who are raised in strict fundamentalist Christian households and break out of the mold. (I've met two people like this.) And, of course, gay people who are raised in 'straight' Republican families, such as the Cheneys.
You seriously need to check out the works of Bob Altemeyer, beginning with "The Authoritarian Specter." The Universit of Manitoba has a web page where you can read a copy of "The Authoritarians" for FREE. See link below.
Altemeyer was one of the researchers John Dean refered to in his book "Conservatives without a Conscience." Amazon has a used copy for three bucks. Well worth it.
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
Er, your talking to an authoritarian hypocrite. She can't be bothered to learn.
Astute observations. Just to add something, a pattern I've seen _ many people who've submitted to or support authoritarian ideas were victims of bullying when they were young. By waving the flag of the baddest-ass bullies around, they feel they're participating in a form of power. Some vindication of the helplessness they have experienced. It may be useful to note this when dealing with them. It's difficult to conjure much sympathy for the willfully ignorant, but it's useful to know what they're motivated by.
Just forthe fun of being a devil's advocate for 3 seconds:
The death, and manner of death, of MLK proves Spengler right.
Not that that's good or desirable.
;-)
Bobble-head Obama? That's a great idea! Not quite as repulsive as Baby Bush, but much more farcical.
It was proven in a court that the US Government actively abetted if not directly orchestrated King's assassination. You can even read the court transcript here, http://www.thekingcenter.org/KingCenter/Transcript_trial_info.aspx
Now, just how does that prove Spengler right?
According to Spengler: "no dialogue or cooperation is possible between the different races or classes."
I'm not agreeing with Spengler, just toying with the final sentence of the article. Clearly - the ruling class had some objections to MLK, and clearly, the Whites had some objections, and clearly, a combination of the two collaborated to end MLK's life.
A gloomy view, perhaps. Spengler was not a cheerful dude.
Spengler also tried to sell the notion that history is cyclical, not linear, which made him one of Hitler's favorites.
Funny how much Spengler sounds like Harry J. Anslinger, the first federal narcotics officer who is largely responsible for our nation's strange and unscientfic drug laws.
Some of Harry's 'greatest hits':
“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
Yet some take Anslinger's opinions on drugs seriously, even today.
" I am beyond descrimnation, I hate everyone equally "
( W.C. Fields )
When my dad was killing Nazis in the Battle of the Bulge, because it was so cold none of the soldiers could use their rifles so they were in a bayonet battle with the enemy. All they kept screaming was "Kill Them All" Years after the war he would get a flashback from that battle and yell out loud "Kill Them All." Looks to me like a bunch of them still managed to get away.
Dinh: "According to Spengler, no dialogue or cooperation is possible between the different races or classes. The life of Martin Luther King proves that he was dead wrong."
But America today isn't tolerating King, it is tolerating Spengler. You can see it on the street: white people feel victimized and are increasingly out for blood. We aren't at the point, yet, where we are voting for Glenn Beck, but its indicative that he could command such attention from such a large segment of the population.
For a substantial fraction of America's population, Spengler is now seen as right. And that unfortunate development should at least be acknowledged in these dark economic times hatched by the GOP. More than anyone, Faux News and the GOP gave birth to this new Great Depression. Yet, their message is that it is due to brown colored peoples, and that message is getting a great deal of attention, mostly from newly-impoverished Red-Staters-turned-Tea-Partiers.
"white people feel victimized and are increasingly out for blood. We aren't at the point, yet, where we are voting for Glenn Beck, but its indicative that he could command such attention from such a large segment of the population."
I submit that it is not just America where white people feel like this. All over Europe, Australia the rise of the far right movement has been charted. Take a look at South African newsite blogs (www.news24.com) for starters.
So it's a global feeling amongst some white people that their world is coming down. SO - what do we do? Surely we shouldn't be sitting on CD and congratulating ourselves on how astute we are and how pretty we write, and what good memories we have for speeches?
My point is, these fears (paranoias, if you will) are growing far far quicker than many of us like to believe. There is a growing obsession worldwide that illegal immigrants are usurping local jobs. In South Africa, by the way, black South Africans feel this about other black Africans, be they Mozambiquans or Malawians or Nigerians. This was seen in the recent xenophobia in parts of the country). So this is not JUST a white malaise. I suggest it is symptomatic of a growing cross-cultural realisation that capitalism is destroying our very souls.
I also submit that many white people forget the depths of hatred against them in certain areas, be it in some inner city communes, in parts of the Middle East, in parts of Africa. For all the white whackos there are an equal amount of whackos of other "colours". Best we not forget this and assume that by being nice to one another we can remove the hatred and the fear and the pain. That's naive. About as naive as the Belgian Nuns.
I find it very easy, living in South Africa (actually I live in the Middle East now, so go figure) as a white male to feel hard done by, despite the evils and inequities of 46 years of apartheid or 400 years of colonialism. I feel like saying, Yes, but didn't we bring the book and the wheel and medicine and electricity and schools and a whole world more of so-called civilised benefits. Of course white people did, but at the expense of another culture's freedom of expression. And a world of evil, pure evil social architecture.
My point is, I battle to intellectualise my way though my negative mind space. I suspect many people don't have the time, ability or the luxury to do this. SO again, I ask how do we help?
How do we cool fevered brows. How do we spread enlightenment? Surely not by sitting on CD stroking our collective egos? Although that of course is a good rallying point.
Bravo onemantribe, bravo. You know what they say, it's easier to hurt than to help. Posting and self-congratulating is all they do here.
"...didn't we bring the book and the wheel and medicine and electricity and schools and a whole world more of so-called civilised benefits."
So long as you see industrialization as a 'civilized benefit' you will continue to incur the wrath of those whose social values you seek to destroy. You would be hard put to find any primitive tribe alive today that has not been (negatively) affected by supposedly 'civilized' people.
If you're typing here, then you're also dependent on industrialization. Why get angry then? How about a balance?
Wow. About a hundred thousand nut-cases in a country of over 300 million - let's see... well almost what, 3%? And don't think people don't drive across the country in droves for all kinds of idiotic reasons - especially stuff like car races or fringe-lunatic causes. Quit blowing it all out of proportion - mass media does enough of that already. This is old news.
The correct number is 100,000 / 300,000,000 = 0.0003 or 0.03%
Misplaced post.