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Losing in Afghanistan
Last week, the House of Representatives voted 215-210 for $33 billion to fund Barack Obama’s troop increase in Afghanistan. But there was considerable opposition to giving the President a blank check. One hundred sixty-two House members supported an amendment that would have tied the funding to a withdrawal timetable. One hundred members voted for another amendment that would have rejected the $33 billion for the 30,000 new troops already on their way to Afghanistan; that amendment would have required that the money be spent to redeploy our troops out of Afghanistan. Democrats voting for the second amendment included House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and nine Republicans. Both amendments failed to pass.
The new appropriation is in addition to the $130 billion Congress has already approved for Iraq and Afghanistan this year. And the 2010 Pentagon budget is $693 billion, more than all other discretionary spending programs combined.
Our economic crisis is directly tied to the cost of the war. We are in desperate need of money for education and health care. The $1 million per year it costs to maintain a single soldier in Afghanistan could pay for 20 green jobs.
Not only is the war bankrupting us, it has come at a tragic cost in lives. June was the deadliest month for U.S. troops in Afghanistan. In addition to the 1,149 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan, untold numbers of Afghan civilians have died from the war - untold because the Defense Department refuses to maintain statistics of anyone except U.S. personnel. After all, Donald Rumsfeld quipped in 2005, “death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war.”
There are other “depressing” aspects of this war as well. As Gen. Stanley McChrystal reported just days before he got the axe, there is a “resilient and growing insurgency” with high levels of violence and corruption within the Karzai government. McChrystal’s remarks were considered “off message” by the White House, which was also irked by the general’s criticisms of Obama officials in a Rolling Stone article. McChrystal believes that you can’t kill your way out of Afghanistan. “The Russians killed 1 million Afghans and that didn’t work.”
He and his successor, Gen. David Petraeus, likely disagree on the need to prevent civilian casualties (known as “Civ Cas”). McChrystal instituted some of the most stringent rules of engagement the U.S. military has had in a war zone: “Patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourselves with lethal force.” Commanders cannot fire on buildings or other places if they have reason to believe civilians might be present unless their own forces are in imminent danger of being overrun. And they must end engagements and withdraw rather than risk harming noncombatants. McChrystal knows that for every innocent person you kill, you create new enemies; he calls it “insurgent math.” According to the Los Angeles Times, McChrystal “was credited with bringing about a substantial drop in the proportion of civilian casualties suffered at the hands of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force and its Afghan allies.”
While testifying in Congress before he was confirmed to take McChrystal’s place, Petraeus told senators that some U.S. soldiers had complained about the former’s rules of engagement aimed at preventing civilian casualties.
According to the Rolling Stone article, Obama capitulated to McChrystal’s insistence that more troops were needed in Afghanistan. In his December 1 speech at West Point, the article says, “the president laid out all the reasons why fighting the war in Afghanistan is a bad idea: It’s expensive; we’re in an economic crisis; a decade-long commitment would sap American power; Al Qaeda has shifted its base of operations to Pakistan. Then,” the article continued, “without ever using the words ‘victory’ or ‘win,’ Obama announced that he would send an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, almost as many as McChrystal had requested.”
Both Obama and Petraeus no longer speak of “victory” over the Taliban; they both hold open the possibility of settlement with the Taliban. Indeed, Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, chief of operations for McChrystal, told Rolling Stone, “It’s not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win.”
The majority of Americans now oppose the war in Afghanistan. Fareed Zakaria had some harsh words for the war on his CNN show, saying that “the whole enterprise in Afghanistan feels disproportionate, a very expensive solution to what is turning out to be a small but real problem.” Noting that CIA director Leon Panetta admitted that the number of Al Qaeda left in Afghanistan may be 50 to 100, Zakaria asked, “why are we fighting a major war” there? “Last month alone there were more than 100 NATO troops killed in Afghanistan,” he said. “That’s more than one allied death for each living Al Qaeda member in the country in just one month.” Citing estimates that the war will cost more than $100 billion in 2010 alone, Zakaria observed, “That’s a billion dollars for every member of Al Qaeda thought to be living in Afghanistan in one year.” He queried, “Why are we investing so much time, energy, and effort when Al Qaeda is so weak?” And Zakaria responded to the argument that we should continue fighting the Taliban because they are allied with Al Qaeda by saying, “this would be like fighting Italy in World War II after Hitler’s regime had collapsed and Berlin was in flames just because Italy had been allied with Germany.”
There is also division in the Republican ranks over the war. Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele made some gutsy comments about the war in Afghanistan, saying it is not winnable and calling it a “war of Obama’s choosing.” (Even though George W. Bush first invaded Afghanistan, Obama made the escalation of U.S. involvement a centerpiece of his campaign.) Steele said that if Obama is “such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that’s the one thing you don’t do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? Everyone who has tried, over 1,000 years of history, has failed.” Interestingly, Republicans Lindsey Graham and John McCain slammed Steele and jumped to Obama’s defense. Rep. Ron Paul, however, agreed with Steele, saying, “Michael Steele has it right, and Republicans should stick by him.”
Obama will likely persist with his failed war. He appears to be stumbling along the same path that Lyndon Johnson followed. Johnson lost his vision for a “Great Society” when he became convinced that his legacy depended on winning the Vietnam War. It appears that Obama has similarly lost his way.
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Show AllObama's only good at CAPITULATION!
Well, what do you want him to do to "win" in Afghanistan?
Do you think anyone else could "win"?
What does "winning" look like?
I remember a military parade straight down Hollywood Boulevard in 1991, just days after our "victory" in the first Gulf War. I videotaped it. I have proof of what "winning" looks like.
(PS: It is very hollow.)
If I became president, pulled the troops out of Afghanistan, and bore all the reproaches that would follow about cutting and running, would I survive in the office? Would I become so despised that I would have no credibility in Congress, no support among the American people? Would the military industrial complex stage a successful coup? Would I be assassinated? It must feel that way to anyone who becomes president because all of them act as if those would be the consequences of pursuing peace. And if they always follow the path of war will they forever be remembered with reverence and have a permanent halo attached to their names as defenders of freedom and liberty? Again-- it must feel that way when you are given the title Commander and Chief and have the most powerful military force ever assembled at your command. If Dennis Kuccinich were elected President would he start a way with Iran to show what a tough guy he was? It seems so and it is a terrible commentary on the bubble our presidents live in. God help us all-- they will get us into a nuclear war yet and that might be what it takes to burst this bubble of invincibility and self righteousness they live in.
"Would the military industrial complex stage a successful coup?"
Coup? Why would it need a coup? It's already in control. That's the big flaw in your viewpoint. The president is an appendage, a front man, not some kind of well-meaning but absurdly naive high-school-variety politician who got in too deep.
Look at the whole process of "electing" a president. Do you think the candidates themselves are oblivious to the immense money, power, and media machinations? Obama, Bush, whoever gets elected, is part of the process, not "kinda" outside of it.
Daley Plaza.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, being the second most powerful politician in Washington, could have pulled any proposed law which did not have "her" amendment within.
But, she is engaging in political theater; posing as a defender of the justice and right.
good grief.
I'd say Nancy for the moment is THE most powerful politician in Washington.
she has been a critical part of the ongoing plan...
I have heard said that only Nixon could get away with withdrawing from Vietnam (Vietnamisation) and with detente with communist China because he was considered a "conservative". However, remember Nixon did not see out his second term although I have not yet seen anyone show a causal connection between these things - perhaps a reader here might be able to fill me in about it.
the article is correct except Obomber never lost his way, look at his initial appointments and it is obvious he is a neo liberal/con.
Being a leader and having the support of a majority of the citizens on an issue plus all the Obomber apologists it would be a cakewalk for Obomber to withdraw.
Why do Obomberbots keep bringing up assassination?
Every leader of every nation has faced the possibility of assassination for the last 3,000 years.
Yeah, Gerald Ford and Ronny Raygun were white Republicans and they both had attempts on their lives. Assassination is clearly a pathetic excuse
What a different world it would be had Chapman and Hinckley decided to swap victims.
19th century American politician Charles Sumner, who spoke out against American aggression in its war with Mexico in 1845 and also condemned the institution of slavery, wisely observed that:
"Give me the money that has been spent in war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship consecrated to peace."
The war is a horror. Why would you want to put these people in charge of education, health care or anything for that matter?
I would rather have the government in charge of health care, which is basically what every other industrialized country in the world does, rather than the rapacious insurance companies whose only desire is to place profit over the needs of the people.
These crimminal only deserve to sit behind bars. If you want them to run your healt care fine. I choose the insurance company and want them to leave me alone.
I've seen apples and oranges before, but rarely in such volume.
I believe we should all agree to STOP calling our OCCUPATION of the Middle East a WAR!!!!!
There is ONLY ONE military force present there and it belongs to the UNITED STATES!!!!
WAR ON TERROR - MY ASS!!!
It's an occupation, the sole purpose of which is to indefinitely provide the U.S. with the oil riches of the Middle East!!!!! NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS!!!!
As long as we agree to continue to call our presence in the Middle East by the misnomer of a "WAR," we are participating in the charade to obtain limitless oil begun by George Bush and continuing right up until this very minute!!!!
There are NO WINNERS at so called "war"....the fascist amerikan empires occupations in the middle east are giant terrorist acts against humanity and the planet ! amerika is on the downside of the slippery slope into the abyss of failed empires !
Yes, US/NATO INVADED and OCCUPY Afghanistan. It is not a war. Even professor Cohn badly mis-uses the language and engages is inaccurate portrayals.
Interesting that when the Soviet Union invaded and occupied the country, that Western news sources (US and British etc.) called it occupation and invasion.
More hypocrisy and double standards.
"Interesting that when the Soviet Union invaded and occupied the country, that Western news sources (US and British etc.) called it occupation and invasion."
Excellent point! Just excellent.
I was very disappointed by this article. Perhaps Prof. Cohn is intentionally writing to a general audience, but for anyone paying attention, nothing new is provided.
She simply recounts facts and news and provides very little if any, insights or in-depth analysis.
It seems an MSM journalist could have written this article.
The occupation of Afghanistan will end in failure as it has done for every other empire who attempted to control it.
The Russians seem to know this. The British, of all nations, ought to know this as well.
However, Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iraq policy results in the transfer of 100s of billions of dollars of taxpayer monies into the hands of private corporations. It is good for bidnez baby!
How can these intellectual giants not see that this is EXACTLY what will ensure a victory for Al Qaida and their ilk...maybe we don't really know who "their ilk" are?
What does a victory for Al Qaida look like?
The total deconstruction of our Constitution, and freedoms, and economy?
I allude to who the "ilk" are, and they aint Al Qaida.
What does Al Qaida have to do with Afghanistan? This seems non sequitur.
"The occupation of Afghanistan will end in failure"
My friend, that happened with the first boot off the plane.
The $1 million per year it costs to maintain a single soldier in Afghanistan could pay for 20 green jobs.
Obama and his little coterie of 99 cent store assassins don't give a damn. The empire, the empire, the empire. That's all that matters to those bastards. And if you think Obama secretly wants to get out of Af-ganef-stan and is delaying withdrawal until after his reelection - you couldn't be more wrong. As far as the American imperium is concerned, however, Obama and whoever comes after him are strictly the last scoop of mashed potatoes in the red, white and blue USA barrel. The United States and its empire are crumbling like a soggy slag heap and nothing those morons, murderers and mental cases conjure up to turn the tide will work. When The Perfessor told the nation during his late and unlamented state of the onion address that "America's greatest days lie ahead", he was serious. He believes it with all his corrupt heart. In the face of history, however, The Great One is nothing short of a cretin.
A. Obama won't be reelected
B.America is not crumbling nor are we on our last legs in spite of the Clinton/Bush/Obama/Wall Street/Corporate assault on Americans. Not even the evil Pelosi and her stepchild Reid can crush it.
C. The US is getting ready to shuck responsibility for Europe and the rest of the world, thats what you mistake for a loss of an empire we never had.
D. "America's greatest days lie ahead" the only thing Obama didn't lie about since he took office.
E. Obama the idiot put himself in the position of being unable to withdraw from Afghanistan without looking the political buffon he is. And with his arrogance and ego, he isn't capable of doing anything that admits he isn't devine.
F. "The Great One is nothing short of a cretin"
I have warned you before about being so complimentary to Mr. Obama. Please work on it further, much too complimentary.
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If the economy in November 2012 is like it is now, Obama will most definitely not be reelected.
I will work much more diligently and sincerely to eliminate the compliments to Obama.
The economy in 2012 will be nothing like it is now. It will be much, much worse.
The economy will be worse and this President and Congress have the rest of the summer to offend the rest of our population that they may have missed the first time around.
"I will work much more diligently and sincerely to eliminate the compliments to Obama."
Thank you very much. I will sleep better knowing you won't be backsliding anymore.
I don't disagree with all of your post, however, item C…
"The US is getting ready to shuck responsibility for Europe and the rest of the world, thats what you mistake for a loss of an empire we never had."
What?
Do you know ANYTHING about American foreign policy, post WWII? Do you know ANYTHING about the CIA's sole role, in protecting American Corporate Interests since WWII?
Americans are now becoming fodder for the machine of Empire, as the resource mining for maintaining such has turned to the middle class. Once the brain dead wake up to this, and start taking to the streets, they will likely be met with microwave and sound cannons, drones, and Xe.
As you type your posts, the Empire conspires against YOU!
Enjoy your ignorance while it lasts.
"Do you know ANYTHING about American foreign policy, post WWII? Do you know ANYTHING about the CIA's sole role, in protecting American Corporate Interests since WWII?"
I firmly believe we are about to begin to change our policy. Check foreign policy for the thirties. Thats the feel I'm getting.
We cannot afford their luxury any longer, seemingly they are going to be on their own before the decades out. Check and see which oil companies are getting the contracts from Iraq for instance.
We need to advance our thinking.
1/25/10: Exxon and Shell (during the execution parade of Chemical Ali).
9/07 : Hunt Oil (during the flag waving surrounding 9/11).
hey, marjorie!
is it just coincidence that the whole world's supply of heroin is coming out of Afghanistan?
who's making the money on that deal?
have you ever heard of heroin, marjorie?
So what's your point? Because some people want to check out for a few you think we should wage an endless war and kill far more people that simple herion addiction has ever killed so you can say you win? What exactly to you want to win? What is the point of this post.
my point is: why write any article about Afghanistan without mentioning that the whole world's supply of heroin comes from there?
Does the author not know?
Does the author think this has no bearing on our presence there?
Does the author not know that we are the heroin farmers and dealers?
Do you?
This is far less important then the reality that this is a minor issue which will only stoke the fires of the idiots who think the herion addicts are coming to get their children! If people want to die in a herion induced fog then so be it. Freedom is not always what you want it's letting go of ego that you know right from wrong.
Why are Graham and McCain always on the wrong side of every crisis? The two of them go over to Iraq and Afghanistan and come back with glowing accounts of "progress." Where exactly do they go? And are they protected by the military so much that they feel safe and think everyone else is?
I hope McCain gets his butt kicked in the next election, and I hope the people of SC wake up the next time Graham runs, so that we can be rid of the two of them.
We can't afford to have them in government anymore.
Amen my friend!
If there is anyone lower than whale excretion on the ocean floor it is safe to say its name is Lindsey Graham.
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These "Beltway Warriors", like McCain and Graham can't handle the truth,,,,,,,,,Afghanistan is UNWINABLE.
For over 4,000 years of "recorded" military history, no foreign invader has ever conquered the rough and tough Afghan Tribesmen. This is the infamous "Graveyard of Empires".
We, the People need 3 actions: 1.) Bring all of our troops home. 2.)defeat McCain, Graham, and the Black Puppet in the White House. 3.) Start a war on U.S. unemployment.
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A person with a name like Fareed Zakaria cannot be trusted to give a honest opinion. Ulterior motives may be at play here. Somebody should check out his blog. They did get CNN’s Octavia Nasser for being a sympathizer and a fellow traveler.
"A person with a name like Fareed Zakaria cannot be trusted to give a honest opinion."
Congratulations! Theres at least one a day and today, you are obviously it!!
This interesting article makes a point because it displays Gen. Stanley McChrystal as having been shafted for having strayed from the script.
Please test my impression by re-reading it.
I confess to a distrust of the magazine in which the story appeared. Rolling Stone is a loose cannon wheeled on the great American ideals of messianic discontent and individualism and such as Hummer and Harley and Coke and killing oiled sea birds by cleaning them just to show how much 'we' care as 'we' drive the very economy that oils them; like the inspirations driving the Tea Party. As with the latter it is used by whoever, whenever they can point it, at whatever they wish. Moreover the journalist involved was embedded and correspondingly subject to manipulation.
But most significantly, should this all be true, can anyone say it is not typical? After all, no-one can doubt that Propaganda is spelled Politics in the USA. There are too many doubts surrounding politically significant events in the USA. There is too much evidence of well timed contrivance; too much blatant avoidance of reasoned research and analysis; too little sense and too much self-promoting bluster dressed as what is missing.
Its a mess; time to put it away.
The people of the USA are people of the world divorced from this reality by the conviction that they are special or as the advert says 'worth it', just like Israelis and all other children.
Time to put it away.
well said...
one of the keys to a long-running show is changes in cast...
boredom is always lurking, freshness can rekindle a dying ember...
Again . . . US wars are not supposed to be won; they're supposed to be profitable for the US boss class.
When a war such as Afghan brings you political failure,
start another war......coming soon
It will also be the Dems unemployment package.
and keep the rest of the public's mind off of the economy
Saudi just gave Israel free airspace
CNN is headlining a woman getting stoned in Iran
99--0 Senate
408-8 House
Israel president in D.C. today
Obama and he kissy faced
they are planning the attack on Iran
and please laugh at the media whenever they
portray the Dems and Pubs fighting each other over policy.
look at the vote, they are together like glue.
their spats just to fool you !!!!
"Losing In Afghanistan"
what the hell does that mean?? losing?
The Afghans are losing...
Kindof like Viet Nam , we killed about 3 million?
lost about 50,000
destroyed their land
Mekong Delta was the world's largest rice exporter
then left ungrowable for 25 years , while
Arkansas then became world's largest rice exporter
They say the U.S. lost that war.....
none of them are really wars..
They are called U.S. invasion and occupation for resources,
and the citizens of that country trying to throw us out.
That isn't war,,, that is criminal activity................
P.S. To all you liars, murderers, thieves, and thugs on
Capitol Hill and in the White House, that would be
all but eight of you...SCREW YOU AND YOUR LIES..
Hi Baboon,
I never knew you, of course, but I feel a bond. I relate strongly to the emotion expressed in your posts.
If you have not watched "Sir, No Sir", then I am sure you will enjoy it. This video shows how the miliary very nearly refused to fight the war, and how their revolts brought the war to an end:-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4045645915938136883#