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Genuine American Exceptionalism on Due Process
The Obama administration has made explicitly clear its intention to deny civilian trials to scores of detainees, by sending some to military commissions and imprisoning others indefinitely without any charges. And for those cases where it has deigned to provide real due process -- such as its decision to try the 9/11 defendants in a criminal court -- it is moving in the wrong direction. Obama officials are clearly signaling their intention to reverse that decision and instead place those defendants before military commissions, and yesterday, yet another piece appeared -- this time in Politico -- describing the beautiful, loving, cooperative relationship between Rahm Emanuel and Lindsey Graham, which is now "embracing a wide-ranging deal pitched by Graham that would shut down the prison [at Guantanamo]; provide funding to move detainees to Thomson, Ill.; keep the Sept. 11 trials out of civilian courts; and create broad new powers to hold terror suspects indefinitely." And the endless cavalcade of Rahm-planted, Rahm-Was-Right articles (see the latest from the Post today) invariably features his opposition to civilian trials for accused Terrorists as proof of his Centrist though mistakenly rejected wisdom.
In contrast to America's still-growing refusal to accord basic due process to accused Terrorists, consider how Pakistan treats foreigners whom it apprehends within its borders on serious charges of Terrorism:
SARGODHA, Pakistan -- Prosecutors seeking to indict five Americans on terror-related offenses presented their case to a Pakistani judge Tuesday, laying out charges including waging war against Pakistan and plotting to attack the country, a defense attorney said.
The men, all young Muslims from the Washington, D.C., area, were arrested in December in Punjab province not long after reaching Pakistan. . . . The men could be indicted on as many as seven charges during their next hearing on March 10, lawyer Hamid Malik told The Associated Press. The judge ordered the defense to review the prosecution report presented in the Sargodha town court and to prepare a rebuttal.
If there's any country which can legitimately claim that Islamic radicalism poses an existential threat to its system of government, it's Pakistan. Yet what happens when they want to imprison foreign Terrorism suspects? They indict them and charge them with crimes, put them in their real court system, guarantee them access to lawyers, and can punish them only upon a finding of guilt. Pakistan is hardly the Beacon of Western Justice -- its intelligence service has a long, clear and brutal record of torturing detainees (and these particular suspects claim they were jointly tortured by Pakistani agents and American FBI agents, which both governments deny). But just as is true for virtually every Western nation other than the U.S., Pakistan charges and tries Terrorism suspects in its real court system.
The U.S. -- first under the Bush administration and now, increasingly, under Obama -- is more and more alone in its cowardly insistence that special, new tribunals must be invented, or denied entirely, for those whom it wishes to imprison as Terrorists (along those same lines, my favorite story of the last year continues to be that the U.S. compiled a "hit list" of Afghan citizens it suspected of drug smuggling and thus wanted to assassinate [just as we do for our own citizens suspected of Terrorism], only for Afghan officials -- whom we're there to generously teach about Democracy -- to object on the grounds that the policy would violate their conceptions of due process and the rule of law). Most remarkably, none of this will even slightly deter our self-loving political and media elites from continuing to demand that the Obama administration act as self-anointed International Arbiter of Justice and lecture the rest of the world about their violations of human rights.
UPDATE: This new ad -- from Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol's group "Keep America Safe" -- might truly be the most repellent and vile political ad of the last decade (h/t Ben Smith):
UPDATE II: Many Guantanamo detainees, including numerous defendants accused of being Al Qaeda operatives, have been represented by military lawyers. As but one illustrative example, Lt. Col. Yvonne Bradley waged a relentless (and ultimately successful) campaign to free Binyam Mohamed from Guantanamo despite accusations that he was an Al Qaeda Terrorist; meanwhile, Navy Lt. Commander Kevin Bogucki aggressively fights the Obama administration in an ongoing effort to secure the freedom of his client, Kuwait Guantanamo detainee Fouad Al Rabiah, who "has spent seven years at the U.S. detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where he stands accused of conspiracy and providing material support to the Taliban and al Qaeda." According to the "rationale" from those vile McCarthyites, Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol, these military lawyers should be deemed America-hating Terrorist sympathizers as a result of that work. I'd like to hear those two say that these military lawyers are in league with the "Al Qaeda Seven."
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Show AllThat God for a few courageous military lawyers. Keeping the administration's feet to the fire over the dismantling of our justice system. It either applies to all people or it really applies to -- when push comes to shove -- anyone. We are all potential victims of a dying empire lashing out at supposed enemies by corrupting itself.
Gary
"All serious daring starts from within."
-- Harriet Beecher Stowe
gdgoodman March 3rd, 2010 10:32 am -- THANK God? Otherwise, well said.
Oh yes, Jim Shea March 3rd, 2010 12:17 pm also raised a good question about this comment.
What I like is, "We are all potential victims of a dying empire lashing out at supposed enemies by corrupting itself."
I'd edit my posting if CD would let me, but the function is disabled on this one.
Sentence three should say: "It either applies to all people or it really applies to -- when push comes to shove -- no one."
As for "thank God," don't read to much into that. It is merely a turn of phrase.
Gary
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
-- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"American Exceptionalism" = War crimes
'nuff said
-"Afghan officials -- whom we're there to generously teach about Democracy -- to object on the grounds that the policy would violate their conceptions of due process and the rule of law). "
Yes, lovely, "their" conceptions of due process. I think there was another gem of wisdom from the Democrats about how Afghans, strangely, were culturally sensitive to having their weddings bombed by Americans (who knew?)
I find the video about "The Al Qaeda Seven" completely incoherent. What in the hell is this smear attack all about?
First we have Eric Holder in a film clip from the summer of 2008 saying something about joining with people who share our values.
Then we have Eric Holder as Attorney General identifying by name two lawyers out of nine lawyers who apparently were hired at some point in time for some unspecified positions within the Department of Justice. These seven unidentified people had something to do with Gitmo detainees.
The message clearly is intended to try to make it look like Eric Holder is hiding something. But I sure can't figure out what in the world it might be by looking at this video clip.
Bill from Saginaw
Bill from Saginaw March 3rd, 2010 12:13 pm -- Are you serious? They're clearly alleging that Holder's hiding the identities of the courageous lawyers who believe in the rule of law who stood up for the rights of the detainees, which Cheney et al. think the detainees didn't have. They clearly want to make up a complete "hit list" so that they can discredit these lawyers in the eyes of all Americans who similarly believe the Bill of Rights and human decency should be discarded in the GWOT. The subliminal message is, this is payback for the calls by progressives to discipline Bush administration lawyers for providing advice enabling and justifying gross violations of the national and international laws forbidding torture of detainees, which advice Holder's own department said was improper. The pending disciplinary actions really get these conservatives riled up, because the conservatives know such disciplinary action will be the first step toward actual prosecution.
I find it simply incoherent myself. The subliminal message isn't coming through I guess.
Veritas March 3rd, 2010 2:53 pm -- I don't see how anyone could miss the overt message, that the "Al Qaeda Seven" (seven ATTORNEYS) are traitors who are now working within the DOJ thanks to Holder, who's shielding their identities. Fox just put out an article identifying the attorneys, by the way (http://bit.ly/ayHe0S). The article doesn't appear to be grossly unfair and unbalanced. I'm guessing that Fox figures it can write a somewhat restrained article because people viewing the ad will get the message, loud and clear.
I got the same "overt message" you did.
It's certainly inane and utterly bogus, as messages go, but it's obvious to me as well.
Perhaps others resist acknowedging "getting" the message because it's so annoyingly offensive.
Land o' Goshen! I must admit that I haven't been this upset since Senator McCarthy waved around those lists of Known Communists working in the State Department! Of course, this was during my Terrible Twos, when almost ANYTHING could drive me into a tantrum.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Obedient Servant March 3rd, 2010 3:53 pm -- Yes, but did you get the SUBLIMINAL message too?
I have no idea.
And while I'd really LOVE to stay and discuss it, at the moment I simply MUST go out to the lobby and get myself some snacks!
· Yr Obd't Servant
As far as I know the Al-Qaeda 7 could be detainees after watching that. I'm supposed to think that an attorney shouldn't be hired because he represented a detainee? Goebbels would have fired anyone doing as poor a job as this.
I guess I need to watch Fox.
Till its determined once and for all if these folks are criminals or POW's it rather moot don't you think.
I should say that I don't think much of Eric Holder. Perhaps thats why I don't pay a lot of attention to him.
Rahm Emanuel and Lindsay Graham: now there's a marriage made in hell!
To GD Goodman:
Did you mean to say, "[the rule of law] either applies to everyone or it applies to no one"?
Jim Shea
Jim Shea/gdgoodman
Our rule of law applies to American citizens and those that come to our country. It of course does not apply to "everyone".
The real question, which still remains unsettled is..."Is a Terroist a criminal or are they making war on a civilian population and should be treated as POW's"
How Does The Posse Act, Comitatus? I see that Preemptive Global Thermonuclear War is still on the table. Do we all fold our hands and say "Grace" or just kiss our sweet a☺☺ goodby?
This is another outstanding article from Glenn Greenwald, but we should have an opportunity to comment on his article on Israeli apartheid, but right now we can't as no comment section is provided for doing so-- thanks for consideration on this matter.
This brand of US exceptionalism takes the USA back to pre Magna Carta days when the sovereign had no limits on his/her power and to King Charles Star Chamber where he sanctioned the torture of those who ended up there whom those in authoirty deemed to be guilty until proven guilty by their torture induced confessions, then to be locked up indefinitely. As Magna Carta was back in 1215 in England and habeas corpus went through in 1689 in England. Where does that put us today in the USA.
US exceptionalism and Isreali exceptionalism are both significant concerns for the progressive community.
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"This brand of US exceptionalism"
Thats the key. even you even talk about " American exceptionalism" you have to define which version or "brand" you are speaking of.
Here's the really pathetic part:
That R-nuts like Cheney and Kristol and most of their loony fellow traveler cultists are actually afraid that 7 terrorists pose a threat to the still-mightiest country on Earth.
Either they're a bunch of cowardly pussies, or it's all an elaborate farce aimed at maintaining the non-war-war profiteering indefinitely.
Which one is more pathetic?
frank1569 March 3rd, 2010 2:33 pm -- Who said anything about 7 terrorists? Do you mean Cheney, Kristol, et al. are saying the seven attorneys who represented accused terrorists are themselves terrorists?
the screen simultaneously flashes both the name of attorney general eric holder and the date of 6-13-08. on that date, eric holder was not the attorney general, but a private attorney. his boss was out campaigning for president, seven months or more away from his inaugural date. who the hell came up with this nonesense that even has its chronology wrong?
Chronology, Shmonology!
The lizard-brained target demographic knows nothing of such things! ;)
· Yr Obd't Servant
As the Legendary Tennis Player , Martina Navratilova , considered by many as perhaps the greatest tennis champion of all time, man or woman, and originally from Czechoslovakia , said a couple of years ago:
"I Left my home country to escape the communist dictatorship and became an American citizen decades ago...But I never imagined that the day would come when my adopted country...the USA...
the 'Land of the Free'...would become the Land of the Frightened".
and in fact...borrowing Greenwald's very precise description -- about americans being so much more prone to be "startled"...(one easily sees this on a daily basis ..for the tiniest of inconveniences) ---
it appears that america is becoming more and more like a nation of easily "startled" and easily Terrorised people...
protected be two of the biggest oceans on earth - with the greatest military on earth, with the most advanced weapons and killing, capturing, surveillance, imprisoning, controlling machines and infrastructure on earth --
and so easily FRIGHTENED.....
"there's a terrorist in every corner!!!! oh my god!!!! our way of life is under ATTACK!!!! bringing that ARAB to new york city criminal courts is going to THREATEN our children and our jobs and buildings!!!! and take away our FREEDOMS........oh my god!!!"
Teddy, didn't you get the memo? The American Bald Eagle has been replaced by the cringing chicken!