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Casino Capitalism as Usual
Last week's Group of 20 (G20) meeting in Pittsburgh brought together leaders from the most significant players in the global economy and charged them with renovating the financial system at the heart of the economic crisis. Change was on the agenda, and the heads of state claimed to deliver. As the summit concluded, The New York Times hailed the meeting's final statement as a momentous shift, reporting that "Leaders of G20 Vow to Reshape Global Economy."
Unfortunately, the changes left off the table at the summit were far more significant than the modest reforms actually debated, and the few alterations that did make it into the final agreement are likely to be further watered down in implementation. Even the most common-sense reforms are being met with determined corporate opposition. Indeed, given the depths of the collapse one year ago and the volume of public outcry for change, the real surprise is how little transformation has yet taken place.
Late and Little
Many of the items on the Pittsburgh agenda were not bad in themselves. They were merely limited in scope and under siege by lobbyists. The G20 moved in the right direction by announcing that it would require banks and other financial institutions to have greater capital reserves. Mandating that a bank keep more in reserve for every dollar it lends out makes it less likely that the institution will be caught short and need a bailout. While such a change may sound arcane, it could mark a significant break from the past if done right and made part of broader regulations. After all, leveraging assets in order to obtain greater profits — whereby overextended firms made high-risk wagers with ever-greater amounts other people's money — went far in provoking the crisis.
While higher capital ratios and greater oversight would limit this kind of wanton speculation, the G20 statement is short on specifics about the actual requirements that financial institutions would be made to respect. And, sadly, the determined opposition of European bankers will likely keep changes to minimal levels. The difficulty with implementing even this most minor and reasonable of reforms shows how entrenched corporate power remains in post-crisis policymaking.
This bodes ill for the prospects of other heralded changes. On Wall Street's behalf, the Obama administration worked to curtail a French and German push for caps on executive pay — specifically controls on the outrageous bonuses given to top bankers whose institutions have lost billions. As a result, the G20 agreement forgoes any hard limits on compensation. It instead promotes guidelines that would somewhat delay when bankers receive their multi-million dollar payouts. Ostensibly designed to focus executives on long-term performance, this substitute measure is a far weaker alternative.
Why is the Obama administration going to bat for Wall Street firms at international meetings? It's hard to say, especially since this has not produced any apparent goodwill at home. Despite the White House's efforts on their behalf, the financial industry is fervently opposing the president's proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency, which would protect Americans from predatory lending by credit card and mortgage companies. A representative of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Center for Capital Markets recently explained to McClatchy that the Chamber is "spending about $2 million on ads, educational efforts, and a grassroots campaign to kill the agency."
Such backlash against reform suggests that the global economy is still being run like a gambling hall. The betting limits at some tables may be modestly reduced and payouts to the highest of high-rollers slightly reined in, but we have not strayed far from Harrah's or the MGM Grand.
The Muscle Behind Market Fundamentalism
The G20 is only one component of the global economy's management. As it turns out, the activities of other bodies compromise the G20's declarations of reform. While agreements at the G20 are notoriously lacking in enforcement, financial institutions that can discipline and punish — such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Trade Organization (WTO) — appear notably unreformed and unrepentant.
After a previous meeting of the G20 in London last April, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced, "the old Washington consensus is over." However, key tenets of market fundamentalist economic policy that defined this consensus — including fiscal austerity and pro-corporate deregulation — still prevail.
At the April G20 meeting, world leaders vowed to provide as much as $1.1 trillion in new resources to the developing world to blunt the impact of economic downturn. However, much of this funding has yet to materialize, and only a fraction of it is slated to go to low-income countries (rather than middle-income states). Moreover, the bulk of these resources are to be channeled through the IMF, which has typically demanded that recipients of its loans accept harsh neoliberal polices as a condition of receiving money. While Fund officials claim to have changed with the times by relaxing "conditionality" and easing their previously stern attitudes toward countries that dare to buck the neoliberal Washington Consensus, many of their recent loans suggest that, in practice, their conversion has been quite limited.
A recent report from the Center for Economic Policy Research indicates that the IMF "has tied pro-cyclical, contractionary economic conditions on Eastern European countries to sorely needed loans." While struggling economies are desperately in need of government social spending and monetary stimulus, IMF agreements with Latvia, Hungary, and Ukraine demand slashed budgets and policy restrictions that look a lot like the "structural adjustment" of old. In advance of the April G20 summit, Gordon Brown had admitted, "Too often our responses to past crises have been inadequate or misdirected, promoting economic orthodoxies that we ourselves have not followed and that have condemned the world's poorest to a deepening crisis of poverty." Sadly, the IMF has yet to demonstrate that it is truly breaking from this established pattern.
The WTO is not helping things either, especially when it comes to reviving financial regulation that can protect the public good. As Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch Division, observed last week, "the G20 leaders have announced a very perplexing plan of action that calls for reregulation of the financial sector to try to avoid the next economic crisis while simultaneously calling for completion of the WTO Doha Round, which would require additional financial deregulation, including new WTO limits on accounting standards through a text the disgraced Arthur Andersen firm had a hand in formulating." New "free trade" rules may prohibit countries from shielding themselves from exotic derivates such as credit default swaps or from capping the size of mega-banks that threaten to take down the entire system when they fail.
Left Off The Table
That the G20 is not undertaking a more serious transformation of global financial structures might reflect the power of continued corporate lobbying. It does not, however, reflect a lack of good ideas. A broad array of financial experts and civil society organizations — ranging from the Stiglitz Commission tasked with making recommendations to the UN, to grassroots coalitions such as Put People First, the Citizens' Trade Campaign, and the labor network Global Unions — have advocated for sensible and needed reforms that could be easily enacted if the political will existed.
One example is the "Tobin Tax" — a small tax on international financial transfers first advocated in the 1970s by Nobel economist James Tobin as a way of cooling speculation on foreign currencies. ATTAC (the Association for the Taxation of financial Transactions for the Aid of Citizens), a leading organization for globalization activism in many parts of Europe, takes its name from this proposal and has pushed for it for over a decade. A version of the tax recently gained an even higher profile in Europe owing to the support of Adair Turner, the head of the British Financial Services Authority, which regulates UK banking. Oxfam argues that, beyond discouraging short-term gambling on currencies, a tax as small as 0.005% could raise between $33 billion and $50 billion per year. This pool of money could support sustainable development in places where the majority of people are still living on less than $2 per day.
Reform proposals also include debt cancellation for countries in the global South. Many poorer nations must spend substantial portions of their budgets on interest payments to the North rather than serve populations hit hard by the crisis. Often, their debts were unjust to begin with, accumulated by dictators who have since been thrown out of power. In most cases the countries' citizens have already sent back payments that dwarf the original loans. Rather than having to submit to the IMF to receive new loans, poorer countries should be allowed to keep their own resources as part of a just stimulus program.
Reflecting the widespread agreement that no corporation should be "too big to fail," citizen advocates have pushed for a much more aggressive application of antitrust and anti-monopoly laws. In this vein, the Stiglitz Commission recommended the creation of a "Global Competition Authority" to provide "adequate oversight of these large institutions" and to "limit their size and the extent of their interactions." These suggestions have a strong grounding in the public interest but are of course anathema to corporate chiefs. Accordingly, they have thus far remained off the table at the G20.
A Democratic Economy
A final demand is that real steps be taken to make the global economic system more democratic. Although leaders at the Pittsburgh summit lauded themselves for moving key discussions from the G8 to the larger G20 — which includes regional powers such as China, India, and Brazil — the international financial institutions with real muscle remain woefully undemocratic. The IMF is a perfect example. The United States, with a 17% voting share, retains the ability to veto all key decisions, because these require an 85% majority. In recent years the IMF has made high-profile announcements of changes to its voting structure. These changes, however, amount to token shifts of a few percentage points from still-dominant wealthy nations to countries such as China.
Ultimately, the goal of economic reforms must not merely be to revive a system that, until its bubbles burst, produced extraordinary wealth for a fortunate few. Rather, it must be to create living wage jobs and slash inequality. Yet that end is unlikely to be achieved if control of economic decision-making remains forever in the hands of the privileged. While the G20 has invited some new members into the club, decisions about the global economy are still made in elite and exclusive venues, where bailed-out executives still matter far more than the world's poor. In changing this, democracy will have to be a means as well as an end. For as long as the bankers rule, we will have little chance of breaking from a dispiriting state of affairs: casino capitalism as usual.
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Show AllWhen the global economy is being debated, I am reminded of Tom Friedman's image of an overcoat. I believe a Straight-jacket was more appropriate. Who out there has an actual program of redoing the economic structure of the world that does not include economic nationalism (which leads to other less enticing forms of nationalism)
Congress critters can't directly appropriate money to themselves. However they can give buckets of money to the corporations and have it come back as campaign contributions etc. It doesn't matter who we vote for any more. If you vote for Obama you get Bush, vote for Clinton you get Bush. Everybody knows what needs to happen. Corporations have to be done away with. UNregulated capitalism has to be done away with. It is the only way we can stop the race to the bottom. If you don't think things can get much worse read Carl Marx's "Capital" pay attention to the children that were 7 years old working 18 hours a day. We will go back to that if we don't stop these bastards now.
Everyone should read "The Jungle," by Upton Sinclair.
we live in a fascist/fuedalist country- what do we expect....government of, by and for the people? Sorry folks, not going to happen until we ban corporate money and lobbying......and given that John Roberts and his neo-fascist buddies on the Supreme Court will - in all likelyhood - open the doors to increased corporate influnce by codefying money=free speech - don't hold your breath. Until the electorate decides that DEMOCRACY is something that CITIZENS take part in - not corporations we are in deep trouble. AND really deep trouble may be right around the corner as 1st time voters decide that CAHNGE will never happen so why bother. THANKS FOR NOTHING OBAMA!
Roll em!! Snakes eyes!!!
The author asks, "Why is the Obama administration going to bat for Wall Street firms at international meetings? It's hard to say, especially since this has not produced any apparent goodwill at home." I think this question demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of how power, especially finacial power, works in the USA and, by extension, the rest of the world. One might as well ask, "Why does Obama stick with Tim Geithner, Bernanke, Emanuel?"
The recent G20 meeting is only the most recent indication of the total victory of the financial elite, represented by the USA delegation and Tim Geithner. Going in, the media framed the meeting as a test of power between the Europeans who wanted more regulation and executive pay caps and the USA that was opposed to those steps but wanted higher capital reserve requirements as a regulatory "fix." There was never any real doubt as to what position would come out on top.
People are not paying attention, again. The increased capital reserve requirement is a faux fix because it is demanded at the very same time that a return to pre-crisis lending levels is demanded. The only way to accomplish this is TO GIVE THE BANKS MORE MONEY. It is actually a demand for a second wave of "bailout" theft.
"For as long as the bankers rule, we will have little chance of breaking from a dispiriting state of affairs: casino capitalism as usual."
"Our mission, as set forth by the Congress is a critical one: to preserve price stability, to foster maximum sustainable growth in output and employment, and to promote a stable and efficient financial system that serves all Americans well and fairly." ~ Ben Bernanke
Nice job Bernanke! No wonder Ron Paul and others want the Federal Reserve to be "audited"!
Leverage is what affords Americans the wealth that keeps most of them from having to get their hands dirty. Too much leverage is too much risk, but too little risk is too little growth. It is not so much about gambling as it about setting leverage ratios where they BALANCE with the available amount of investment capital. This must include considerations for foreign capital inflows which in the U.S. are sometimes very substantial. The current crises was in part due to an imbalance that resulted from too much capital inflow combined with too much domestic capital, a bubble is in essence too much investment.
So now China is diversifing away from the dollar and global wealth is diminished. The demand for T-bills has not fallen yet but only because a mostly domestic "flight to safety" affect is still supporting demand. A recovery therefore depends on matching leverage ratios to the available amount of ALL capital. The point is -- that those who are trying to estimate what the optimum leverage ratios should be are perhaps gambling; however, these are some of the best informed people in the world who are doing what must be done. There is no choice but to maximize growth and it is not a matter of setting the ratios so as to benefit some at the expence of others. There is exploitation everywhere in the world but balancing the global economy is in everyone's best interest. And there is no alternative other than to maximize efficiency.
Banks have also tightened their lending standards as part of their natural reaction to the recent crises. The U.S. is leaning out over the edge of a liquidity trap due to a drastic reduction in the number of borrowers, combined with the tighter lending standards. So the need for more regulation is for the most part a back-burner issue. It is like talking about fire prevention while watching others fight a fire. There are some other aspects to this issue but those ARE also now out of the shadows and being worked on.
As for the meeting in Pittsburgh, the importance will depend on "how much" in regards to how voting shares are redistributed. A new World Order is forming and the U.S. has shamed away a great deal of power. The Chinese having so much success after resisting the IMF's recomendations in regards to short-term capital in-flows is a very big deal. The U.S. could have a mutiny brewing within the G-20 and the AAA stain and the harm done due to incompetence related to the recent crises is a potential game-changer. Only time will tell but Pittsbugh may some day be remembered as where the U.S. lost its superpower status.
Leverage is what affords Americans the wealth that keeps most of them from having to get their hands dirty. \
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excellent point.
In fairness to the GREAT MAJORITY OF AMERICANS .. who are , despite "living a lifestyle" that is higher than other countries, are REALLY the brothers and sisters of ALL other people in the majority everywhere in the world , who actuallY WORK hard to produce collectively the world's "wealth".....
in fairness to these VAST MAJORITY of americans - hardworking, doing their work as honestly as they can, and with as much self-respect as they can and respect for giving an honest day's labor:
LEVERAGE is at the heart of the CORPORATE SYSTEM at the heart of the USA and western colonial system.
LEVERAGE is exampled by the SYSTEM that creates such "unquestionable" dogmatic "order" as
CEO...CEO's "assistant"..Department "heads", Department "supervisors", assistant to the assistant to "Heads" and of course the BOARD and INvestors..
under which the MAJORITY of workers - americans -
are effectively INTIMIDATED to FEAR for their jobs and keeping their homes and families intact ..fearing for the VERY HOURS of work and wages in which they are forced into SUBMISSIVENESS
it's really the PARTICULARITIES - the OFFICES - the POSITIONS that need to be OPENLY attacked...and those that SIT in them SHAMED at EVERY opportunity PUBLICLY ....even as they try to put in place "rules" such as "insubordination" threats to KEEP WORKERS's mouths SHUT .
this is how POWER is STOLEN from the vast majority of people.
but it is really nothing if the ILLUSION of the "godlike" status of these "heads" is exposed for what it is:
that they are NOTHING more than VERY VERY FLAWED people who can't FUNCTION without THOSE UNDER them doing the DIRTY JOB .
I will give an example:
I once witnessed in some nursing home an old resident who was once a nurse ..she was being wheeled by some relative who was visiting her...they happened to cross path with the CEO of the place, walking with his chest puffed up as his usual gait to remind everyone, workers of course, that he's "watching"...
the old lady looked up and saw him and asked :
"excuuuussee me, excuse me, i've never seen you here before...WHO ARE YOU? " (in a rather cranky tone) ...
he stopped and smiled and said : "I am the BOSS here, i am the CEO"...
she said: "i see...what do you DO?"
CEO: "I make the IMportant decisions and run the place"..
old lady: "important?...run the place...HAH! important my foot!!...you go around walking like that thinking you're important? who do you think you really are? the people here that are really important are the nurses and their aides and others who help us every day, who feed us and clean us and dress us and make us laugh and sing to us and hold our hands
but you overwork them , and pay them so little, and you THINK you make IMportant Decisions like that!
...without them you'd have no one keeping this place open...HAH! all you do is walk in the morning , have your coffee...and act like you're really important...but you're not as useful as you think...HAH!"
of course her relative god red in the face..the lady was known to be very "direct"...
of course the "BOSS" knew EXACTLY how TRUE that was - and wished it wasn't said in front of others....coz
it's the TRUTH!
america NEEDS MORE PEOPLE like THAT feisty old nurse who knew WHO
is "important" and DOES THE REAL JOB of "creating wealth" in america!
You are missing the forest for the trees.
Read Stig's post below.
There's a LOT more going on than "financial management" of "economic crisis".
Leverage is a euphemism for debt, and is used in financial discourse in order to disguise its true nature as a pejorative economic disposition, that normally should be avoided. The American economy is thoroughly leveraged, perhaps for generations to come, as the amounts of money W.Street burned has yet to be disclosed or even accounted for in meaningful and explicit language. Regardless, it may not be a debt in financial terms that we should be concerned with, or even how it can be paid, but the growing and increasingly perilous and far reaching liabilities that global, ecological destruction will incur, if not included within sensible economic and environmental policy that can be introduced and acted upon in the most expeditious way.
Stig,
My comment has to do with setting leverage ratios in balance with capital requirments. You have distorted a leverage ratio concern to a leverage as debt argument. You are confusing two entirely different subjects. Your reply leads to one of two conclusions, you are in over your head or you are dishonest. You are of course free to explain???
Living wages, dept forgiveness, the slashing of inequalities, fair economic reforms, sustainable development and on and on and on. We have been listening and watching this same old song and dance for decades now, with little more to show for it than a photo album thick with the smiling faces of inept leaders and their equally forgettable promises and signatures that have contributed to exactly nothing.
Poverty, that insidious concomitant of over-population and greed, is increasing as never before, with a billion souls only a bowl away from starvation, and growing. The inequities of wealth have become entrenched, as those with the most, sit in the front seat and unscrupulously demand the right to the little that is left for the rest of us. It is an unending, relentless attack that is as aggressive and as destructive as any war could ever be. Yet this global shell game continues ahead, unabashed and unabated. And as the planet is set to literally burn beneath our feet, the concerns of those we so urgently rely upon, remain transfixed within ignorance of how truly huge the problem is that confronts us all.
The utter disconnect between world economic policy, the people we trust with its fair and wise implementation and possible world wide ecological collapse, is absolutely stunning in breath and lack of condor. It is rear-view mirror watching writ large and signed off on with unadulterated zeal. Indeed, we shall suffer these fools until the time when we have no choice other than to fight for leadership appropriate to the sublime challenge we have sadly created for ourselves and our future.
this article starts with a big fat lie:
"Last week's Group of 20 (G20) meeting in Pittsburgh brought together leaders from the most significant players in the global economy and charged them with renovating the financial system at the heart of the economic crisis."
only a fool would think these twenty whores for pay "run" the world - in fact they are blow boys who take their marching orders from the rockefellers via the rockefeller takeover - world domination vehicles: the un, imf, wto and world bank
i don't think anyone - anymore - feels like these politicans act in the best interests of the respective populations - that old canard has been put to rest
the fact is that they couldn't even meet in pitts pa without being protected by 12,000 swat officers imported from all over the country
never mind the bullshit press release, here's what they decided - fuck all
they have been told to: continue the wars, keep starving the poor, oppress democracy no matter where it rears its ugly head, keep jamming gmo foods down our throats, proceed with the h1n1 hoax, ramp up the eugenics plans for population reduction, pretend that osama is still alive, bomb the fuck out of pakistan, keep pressing the chinese and the russians, further indebt the world
in other words: same old same old
I prefer to model the world with feedback loops. Using that approach, I see that the more that the elite predators are insulated from the costs and the misery that their policies produce, the more they will only receive positive feedback from instituting those policies and the more extreme will be the future predations. Elite predators must feel personal pain and loss as a result of their fiendish actions, or they will continue to amaze us with their rapaciousness, cold-bloodedness, and ruthlessness.
One root of these all too human dynamics and in fact of all the issues we are discussing are the concepts of scarcity and abundance, both as physical/material and as meta-physical/spiritual..
Another excellent fundamental frame is syntropy/entropy,-life as syntropic functioning of the Universe...
Personally i find valuable thinking in almost all the posts....
Too many people on the Progressive Left are making fools of themselves. To contend for instance that world leaders are not doing everything in their power to maximize the efficiency of the global economy is ridiculous.
How wealth is distributed or utilized has an almost endless capacity for argumentation. There is a timeless fight taking place over the value of labor and agricultural subsidies are being used to manipulate ALL values; this by controlling the value of staple goods and limiting choices for the working-class.
But claiming that leaders care only for corporations etc., is to ignore the fact that corporations depend on consumers.
And corporations are a like a Trojan Horse, it is pointless to attack what is only a vehicle, the stockholders inside the vehicle are the enemy of what is fair and just. So try to understand the implications of a large investment-class in a democracy, and attack that. And do so knowing that the corporate model is historically unmatched in regards to productivity and distribution. In other words, don't destroy the vehicle in less you can provide a better alternative.
To be taken seriously the Progressive Left must relent on the uninformed assumptions.
Rich M
You also failed to understand my point. I covered wealth distribution in my second paragraph.
And, "stuffing money into the banker's pockets, pure and simple", is in direct conflict with "it's true that in some sense corporations depend on consumers". Beyond the attemp to vail your contridiction with "in some sense", which is nothing more than evasive nonsence, you followed up with a dishonest assumption. Nothing in my comment suggested that consumers HAVE power, I did however make suggestions to the contrary. But of course at this point of your argument you were deep in the land of distortions so I suppose it dosn't matter much.
Again, you are missing a lot. The basic systems of the living Earth are destabilized, and you are talking about efficiency of production and utilization of labor.
In any case, human needs are NOT best served by the organizing principle of the post-modern corporation, and there ARE other models of social and economic organization.
If YOU do not propose models that work in support of and in harmony with the basic systems of the living Earth, YOU are not to be taken "seriously".
webwalk,
So far at least, you get the award for the least honest assumption (I in no way advocated the exploitation of resources). And to shift the burden of proof from something that exists -- to something that does not exist; then to claim that "there ARE other models...", but not to so much as mention what those are, a claim that should also include substantiation, but tells nothing, is so far short of substantive that I have nothing to argue with. Thanks for yet another example of what has come to define the "Fringe Left".
Thanks for another example of what has come to define the "Arrogant Snot."
The hard sciences, where human knowledge actually advances, can take advantage of rigorous experimentation where the important variables to be studied can be controlled and accurately measured. Economics is a social science without the benefits of rigorous experimentation and so it is more pure speculation than science. Thus, economic policies are a function of the untestable and unproven assumptions of the actors (usually based on philosophical positions, not hard evidence). So even assuming good will on the part of the G-20 "leaders" (mostly ciphers doing others bidding), there will inevitably be philosophical biases that determine the assumptions that determine the approach taken.
The feedback that is received in terms of measures of how well an economic policy is faring can be interpreted in a myriad of ways. The way it will be interpreted is based on the assumptions (again untestable and unproven) of those doing the interpreting, even if those individuals interpret in good will.
But even given all the assumptions that economic policymakers operate under, there are instances where they will address uncertainty through engaging in various forms of risk analysis, which they may do in good will. Again, assumptions based on philosophical biases will come into play, e.g., who the important or indispensable actors in the economy are and how much cost can they bear (and who can be tossed under the bus with negligible repercussions).
Given the results of economic policy of the last few decades, especially the last few years, and given the economic policies being discussed at the G-20 and similar events in recent years, leftists see that either the economic policies were developed in bad faith (focusing on the welfare of the elites), the interpretations of the data were done in bad faith (maximizing the importance of measures that correlate with benefit to the elites), and the risk analyses were done in bad faith(overweighting the importance of the gains or losses of elites), as the elites gained while virtually everyone else lost, or it sure was a great coincidences that the policies just happened to benefit the elites at the expense of everyone else.
Kivals,
I addressed "bias" in the second paragraph of my comment. Your contention is based on a false premise. Even if world leaders kept every last penny for themselves that would be beside the point.
The point is that the world "leaders" appear to always err on the side of the economic elites, when they make their educated guesses, because that is the side their bread is buttered on. They appeared to have erred on that side to such a degree in the last few years that one would reasonably question their commitment to overall efficiency. This persistent bias is ubiquitous and all-encompassing and swallows any advantages that may be gained by some concern for overall efficiency, even if one assumes they act in good faith and such a concern exists.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: Due to systems repairs I got to this thread rather late, but wish to applaud you for the ELEGANT arguments you raise, and the elaborate details you made use of to support them. As Teddy said, Bravo! (You won over most of the jury pool.)
And corporations are a like a Trojan Horse, it is pointless to attack what is only a vehicle, the stockholders inside the vehicle are the enemy of what is fair and just. So try to understand the implications of a large investment-class in a democracy, and attack that.
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that is correct.
the CORPORATION is just the SHELL , the FACE . the SUBSTANCE of it , is "investor", "stake holders".
another way to put it and perhaps direct attention to the problem is:
to show the SIMULTANEIETY of the SHELL and the SUBSTANCE.
in which to "attack corporatism" OUGHT to also be a critique and attack ON "investment"...in the sense that corporatism can NOT be separated from what enables it its existence and reason to be.
so - in a way - it is also a cultural matter. a SOCIAL matter.
a matter of philosophy asking the question:
IS A PRIVATE CORPORATION representing its "investors" really suitable for society as a whole?
WHY should the INTERESTS of private groups and investors represented and showing a face called "CORPORATION"
have any more rights to wealth than the general public
and general society in which THESE corporations and the "substance" (the investors) they represent EXIST and FUNCTION and are allowed their "wealth" , "profits", "Dividends" - OSTENSIBLY justified as "beneficial to society"
when in fact they are HARMFUL?
the corporation should be allowed to exist, including its process and structure of "investment" ONLY so long as it can openl demonstrate its USEFULNESS and BENEFITS to society as a whole. if that at all.
A corporation is not equal to its shareholders. Actually, in many large corporations today, shareholders generally have little say. The large corporation is typically run by a CEO and other executives with the approval of a board of directors in a cozy relationship.
But a larger point is that the legal entity corporation comes with its own peculiar sets of laws and rules which deviate from those that apply to individuals and a corporation will act markedly different from the way an individual would act under similar circumstances. Under corporate law, corporate officers can only act to maximize the welfare of the corporation (maximizing profit). A corporate officer who acts based on individual conscience or with the public interest in mind must be removed from office, unless such actions happen to coincide with the corporation's welfare (as may be the case if the action in the public interest creates great PR). In essence, the corporate form restricts the decision-making of its officers to something resembling that of a psychopath. And doing so allows the corporation to more easily accumulate great wealth through cold-blooded ruthlessness, creating even more economic power and ability to shape the economic environment, bully the other economic actors, and influence the government.
These conscienceless, soulless, profit-maximizing automata have now grown so large and powerful that they are determining the fate of the world economy, of the human race, and of life on earth. Governments do not even appear to have the power to rein them in. And from the corporate track record of the past few years and the prohibition against corporate officers considering the public interest, the chances of absolute calamity in the coming years appear quite significant.
As for corporations being responsible for the great advances in human welfare in the past century, an alternate explanation is that the growth in science and technology is most responsible and would have occurred without any corporate presence whatsoever. Most of the most fundamental advances resulted from government or university research and could certainly have occurred in a socialist economy. No socialist economy has produced similar advances but then again no socialist system has been allowed to develop unmolested by predatory capitalists. One could argue that capitalism, and particularly corporate capitalism, has acted as a great parasite these past centuries sucking all the energy and substance out of the great promise that advances in science and technology offered the world, benefiting the few at the expense of the many.
KIVALS:
"As for corporations being responsible for the great advances in human welfare in the past century, an alternate explanation is that the growth in science and technology is most responsible and would have occurred without any corporate presence whatsoever. Most of the most fundamental advances resulted from government or university research and could certainly have occurred in a socialist economy. No socialist economy has produced similar advances but then again no socialist system has been allowed to develop unmolested by predatory capitalists. One could argue that capitalism, and particularly corporate capitalism, has acted as a great parasite these past centuries sucking all the energy and substance out of the great promise that advances in science and technology offered the world, benefiting the few at the expense of the many."
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AMAZINGLY BRILLIANT.
in ONE stroke you just destroyed EVERY SINGLE justification of capitalism, the corporation, "private enterprise" - claimed as the "movers of civilization, progress, democracy, freedom, choice".
these important notions have often been used by corporate culture, capitalist culture as being ONE AND THE SAME AS "capitalism, corporatism, private enterprise"
EVEN IF in reality -- they are INDEED - mostly PARASITIC entities that simply CLAIMED CREDIT for things they were NEVER the creators of .
BRAVO!!
In each of your arguments attached here, you have altered the context of my comment. In one of your replies below, you even went so far as redefine what "the point is". You have provided a solid example of dishonest debate. Perhaps you have thereby provided yourself and others here with a much needed learning opportunity. A clue that might be helpful in this sophmoric quest is that I in no way implied that corporations are other than parisitic, my contention is in fact to the contrary.
And this: "...no socialist system has been allowed to develop unmolested by predatory capitalists". I first made this argument about 30 years ago. It has been a "dead horse" since China has made so much progress after switching its modes of production from socialist to capitalist. Perhaps you can show evidence that the CIA somehow undermined China's socialist economy but be sure to include commensurable productivity data. "One could argue" anything, but it is wise to know which arguments have come and gone for good reasons. Arguments based on assumptions and false premises might impress the uninformed, but these only hurt the cause which you claim to have passion for.
What you describe as an example of "dishonest debate" is a function of the vagueness of your arguments. You do not express yourself well and so it is difficult for an opponent to precisely attack whatever points you think you are making unless the opponent tries to precisely describe what is in contention.
And I had to laugh at how you arrogantly made a point about China that usually only a simpleton would make. There are an infinite number of possible implementations of a socialist system. Also, a socialist system has many more working gears than a traditional capitalist system, so it requires a far greater knowledge of social engineering to create a well-functioning one, but that does not make it technically impossible. Heavier-than-air aircraft were far more difficult to engineer than balloons or blimps and many were convinced that engineers could never overcome the technical hurdles. The Soviet and Chinese systems were crude primitive attempts at creating a functioning system, and one may say they proved that socialist systems cannot work as well as early airplane designs proved that airplanes would never fly.
As for China itself, it had never developed industrially before its communist revolution, and every schoolboy knows that Marxism was intended for post-industrial, not pre-industrial societies. Nevertheless, China was beginning to develop when the madman Mao undermined all such efforts with his Cultural Revolution so he could hold onto power a few more years. That was a fault in the primitive model that allowed one individual to accumulate and hold so much power. In the post-Mao period, though the Chinese did begin to move forward the progress was slow because the Chinese still had difficulty trading with the West. The decades of development of technological and manufacturing processes in the West was going to be closed to them unless they adopted certain capitalist forms. So they allowed the Westerners to invest in China and bring with them technology and know-how as well as money. And that allowed them to trade more with the West and import highly developed technology.
And last, "which arguments have come and gone for good reasons." Oh my, you apparently did not absorb my obvious first point in my first response. Economics is not a hard science and provides no clear testable theories. Anyone who makes claims such as yours is either a simpleton or a propagandist. Which are you?
kival,
So now you resort to name-calling. Perhaps you might try some facts or an occasional example, these could fill the void currently occupied by the imaginary economic system and those other falsehoods you manage to never explain. Comparing aircraft to economic systems is foolish when commensurable data is just a few clicks away. But then I suppose the word "commensurable" might fall into your "vagueness" category, and you had trouble with terms such as "false premise", and so what does one say to a person who has no honor? A person who will distort as needed even after being told his arguement is beside the point.
kivals,
After your first reply (3:17) to my comment, I explained that your contention was based on a false premise. I stated that "even if leaders kept every last penny for themselves your contention would be beside the point". Then you came back with your "The point is" reply. But the argument was about a point that I had made and that fact was made inescapable by YOUR choice to reply in the first place. So your attemp to redirect the argument in accordance with a DECLARED false premise was vain and deceitful, at a childish level. This because ANY argument, other than the one you chose to make, would have avoided the foolish pitfall of continuing to further a declared false premise. At that point in time you might have claimed my "vagueness" was the underlying problem. But after all of the replies to my comment, a handfull by you and all of those by others, blaming me for your embarrassment just makes your behavior all the more childish.
But no matter how clever a spoiled child is, or how insulting, it is still juvenile to claim that there is something vague about this: "even if leaders kept every last penny for themselves your contention would be beside the point". Dishonesty is the problem with our Democracy.
A Democratic Economy?
If we want that we need to stop hoping that Obama and the Democrats will ever deliver. Their job is to maintain the status quo or entrench it more. A democratic economy will not come through "reform."
Again the NYT cheers the emperor's new clothes, acknowledging that the emperor's former clothes were somewhat threadbare.
Gordon Brown if you would be a great man, then stand in the proud tradition of Harold Wilson, "Red" Clem Attlee, and even Michael Foot and invite Tommy Sheridan, Derek Haton, and others from the Militant tendency back into the once great British Labor Party and invite the Blairites out and to take their 30 pieces of silver and go straight to hell while nationalizing all British industries and bringing back Clause Four. It's damn about time. Otherwise get ready for the Tories or the Conservatives as they're sometimes called to clean your party's clock in the next British general election.
AD
CORP IS BORG.