labeau, who's paying you? I love it when you deniers actually cite a reference that itself debunks your own claim. You wrote this:

"The reality about Arctic ice is quite different. Although some 10 million square kilometres of sea-ice melts each summer, each September the Arctic starts to freeze again. The extent of the ice now is 500,000 sq km greater than it was this same time last year – which was, in turn, 500,000 sq km more than in September 2007, the lowest point recently recorded (see Cryosphere Today of the University of Illinois, http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ )."

Do you know anything at all about statistics? Do you know that 2 years doesn't make a trend? Let's go back to 1900 shall we, using the graph YOU CITED. In 2006, the extent of summer ice in the Arctic was 2,000,000 + square kilometers more than in 2007. The average in the 1990s was 3 million more, the 1960s 4 million more, the 1940s 4.5 million more, the 1910s 5 million more. See where I'm going with this?

I won't bother wasting my time looking up your other citations, no doubt they're just as useless.

You are free to accept the preposterous notion that the world's scientists are in conspiracy. i'll stick with the scientists.

The basic science of climate disruption is straightforward. Carbon dioxide (and other molecules containing carbon) retain heat more efficiently than the other main constituents of the atmosphere. Humans have increased atmospheric carbon by over 50% since we started mining fossil fuels. The atmosphere now retains heat more efficiently than it did prior to industrialism.

This is not some Malthusian myth dreamed up by elite propagandists. This is simply true.

The vast majority of scientists accept the basic truth that human activities have altered the atmosphere and the climate, with overall global temperature on the rise, affecting sea level, rain patterns, agriculture, glacial melt, river flow, etc.

i've read a number of scientific papers published in Science Magazine and in Nature Magazine. Around 2005, field reports from scientists studying climate-related issues became quite alarming, with the rate of change suddenly going outside of even the worst-case scenarios predicted by climate-change models. Temperatures are rising faster, ice is melting faster, patterns in general are shifting faster, than even the most alarmist scientists had been predicting. This change in the nature of field reports has continued since 2005, with every year researchers reporting that in their area of expertise, things are changing faster than had been occurring previously, and faster than had been predicted even given a growing understanding that human-induced climate change is happening.

i am not telling you what i learned from elite propagandists or Malthusian plotters. i am telling you what i have read in Science Magazine and Nature Magazine.

The refusal to accept the work of the world's scientists is bizarre.

This is not to say that elite plotters are not seeking to distort public awareness for their own ends. This happens all the time. The concepts of "carbon markets" or "pollution derivatives" as solutions for the climate crisis are ugly efforts by elites to reap billions of dollars from the crisis, and to postpone real action that can and should be swiftly enacted, to stop mining carbon and restructure the economy and society around natural flows of energy, while restoring as much of the world's forests and other ecosystems as we can.

But to assert that the entire climate crisis is simply a myth? Ice is not melting, nothing to see here folks, no disruption of the atmosphere by human burning of carbon, just natural fluctuations? The author of the article you post is nuts.

By the way, you lied in your WWF quote. You said:

"One organization, the WWF, claimed that the Arctic ice was melting so fast that in eighty years sea-levels would rise by 1.2 meters, creating "floods affecting a quarter of the world." Wow! That’s scary. Goodbye Hamburg, New York, Amsterdam..."

and then you said:

“even if all that sea-ice were to melt, this would no more raise sea-levels than a cube of ice melting in a gin and tonic increases the volume of liquid in the glass.”

which would be true, but the WWF actually said:

"The combination of thawing Arctic sea ice and melting ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica was likely to raise global sea levels by about 1.2 meters (four feet) by 2100".

You deliberately omitted the part about ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica. Do you see how disingenuous you are?

"It’s a thinly veiled attempt to misuse climate to argue for a new Malthusian reduction of living standards for the majority of the world while a tiny elite gains more power."

This thinly veiled regressive attempt to coopt a progressive cause is pretty funny. The deniers are getting desperate.

ez: there you go with your nazi/rockefeller eugenics disinfo once again

its called eugenics - just remember ez: hitler noted in his book mein kampf how he admired the american eugenics movement

at nuremburg - the united states was cited as a defense by the nazis when they pointed out that the us was the leading eugenics nation in the world and they - the nazis - were funded by the rockefellers

here's a short list:

Andrew Carnegie (1835-1919) - his money went to the eugenics movement.

Edward Henry Harriman (1848-1909) made his fortune speculating on the stock market. In 1897, he took over the bankrupt Union Pacific Railroad, and then went on to build a railroad empire in the West. When he died, his wife inherited his money. The following year, she provided $500,000 to found the Eugenics Record Office. The Eugenics Record Office was involved in the forced sterilization campaigns and the anti-immigration laws.

In 1932, the Third International Eugenics Congress was held in New York, at the Museum of Natural History. (The First International Eugenics Congress had been in 1912 in London, and the Second was in New York.) Mrs. E. H. Harriman was among the sponsors, along with Mrs. H. B. DuPont and Dr. J. Harvey Kellogg, among others.

John Davison Rockefeller (1839-1937) made his fortune in the oil industry. He founded Standard Oil, which at one time controlled 95 percent of the oil refining business in the country. The Rockefellers funded the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Germany, when eugenicists were preparing the way ideologically for what eventually became the world's most infamous slaughter, the Nazi holocaust. The Rockefeller Institute supported Alexis Carrel, who advocated the use of gas to get rid of the unwanted. John D. Rockefeller III founded the Population Council. Rockefeller money made Alfred Kinsey's sex research possible.

In the fall of 1993, the Rockefeller Archive Center Newsletter published "The Rockefeller Foundation, the Population Council and the Groundwork for New Population Policies" by John B. Sharpless of the University of Wisconsin, Madison. Sharpless had been studying the files of the Rockefeller Foundation (RF), the records of the Population Council, and the personal papers of John D. Rockefeller III. He concluded that "Foundations and individual philanthropists are important in understanding the impressively quick and nearly unanimous change in attitudes and ideas about population that occurred during the 1960s." Such foundations funded the development of contraceptives, but also built the international network of experts who shaped the public debate, who shared "a core body of knowledge and a common mode of discourse" as well as a "shared set of assumptions about how population dynamics worked."

Henry Ford (1863-1947)

For many years, the Ford Foundation supported population control. In the 1970s, Michael Teitelbaum worked quietly on Capitol Hill to shape American population policy (without any public debate or scrutiny); he was supported for part of his career by the Ford Foundation. The foundation's impact on population policy is described at length in John Caldwell's 1986 book, Limiting Population Growth and the Ford Foundation.

John Harvey Kellogg was on the Advisory Council of the American Eugenics Society from the early days. He founded the Race Betterment Foundation, and was a sponsor of three eugenics conferences.

Clarence J. Gamble used part of the fortune made by Procter & Gamble products (including soap) to finance birth control projects for the poor in many parts of the world. He helped to push through legislation in 1937 legalizing birth control in Puerto Rico; the law specified that birth control material was to be distributed by trained eugenicists. He supported birth control distribution in Appalachia and in rural Japan. A leader in Margaret Sanger's Birth Control Federation, he suggested that they set up a "Negro Project," using black clergy and physicians to promote birth control. He founded the Pathfinder Fund, to promote population control around the world.

In 1930 in New York, many of the wealthiest people in the world were members of the American Eugenics Society. They did not all provide funds for major eugenics initiatives, but their support certainly opened doors. It does not hurt an organization financially if its membership includes:

J. P. Morgan, Jr., chairman, U. S. Steel, who handled British contracts in the United States for food and munitions during World War I;

Mrs. Mary Duke Biddle, tobacco fortune heiress;

Cleveland H. and Cleveland E. Dodge and their wives, who used some of the huge fortune that Phelps Dodge & Company made on copper mines and other metals to support eugenics;

Robert Garrett, whose family had amassed a fortune through banking in Maryland and the B&O railroad, who helped finance two international eugenics congresses;

Miss E. B. Scripps, whose wealth came from United Press (later UPI);

Dorothy H. Brush, Planned Parenthood activist, whose wealth came from Charles Francis Brush (1849-1929), who invented the arc lamp for street lights and founded the Brush Electric Company;

Margaret Sanger, who used the wealth of one of one of her husbands, Noah Slee, to promote her work. Slee made his fortune from the familiar household product, 3-in-One O

the nazis killed jews, commies, slavs, russians

the american nazis sterilize against their will women of color both here at home and abroad

webwalk: if you are talking about prosecuting the corporations and the officers of same who have polluted the world i'm totally for it

i stopped driving a car, i recycle, i take public transport, i support green, i want to clean up the world - all of that

i don't want the un - rockefeller inc. as its known to be cashing in on taxes on the citizens for simply living in this world

the un also supports forced sterilization of poor women

they support gmo's

they conduct illegal wars

conceived and paid for by the rockefellers - they even donated the land on which it sits (and took a tax break for it)

the previous hegemony - the brits - wanted the league of nations - to support their hegemony

if you know anything about the history of oil you will know that the brits clued into the importance of oil even before we did

a big reason they fought the first ww was to retain their hegemony and to prevent the germans from building the berlin to baghdad railroad - not unlike our presence in iraq today

interestingly, the last bit of geography between germany and baghdad to establish right of ways was serbia - where i am sure you know duke ferdinand was assassinated by serbian nationalists - he was in line to ascend to the throne of the austrio-hungarian empire which was all but dead

the austrians attacked the serbs and were repelled - trounced - leaving the kaiser, right off the bat in the war, with the unfortunate realization he was on his own

i digress

if you look at obama's budget as proposed right now he aims to collect almost 700 billion in tax from us to "combat" global warming

the tax write offs for the rockefellers essentially through credit swaps, like the bank bailout shit, is in the trillions

i am simply suggesting the science on this issue is not as closed as you think

squeeze the rockefeller out of your brain bro'

Well, no, food for non-thought actually.