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Afghanistan: Marines' Mission Doomed to Failure
NAM Editor’s Note: Just two weeks into July, the month is already the
deadliest for NATO troops in Afghanistan. The high casualty count is at
least partially the result of Operation Khanjar, the largest U.S.
Marine Corps ground offensive in years. But NAM contributor Sonali
Kolhatkar writes that NATO's modus operandi are doomed to failure.
The United States’ new offensive into Afghanistan’s troubled Helmand
province provides a test case for achieving President Obama’s stated
goal: “to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and
Afghanistan.”
It is the first major push of its kind, relying on a massive ground
presence of thousands of Marines rather than air strikes, which
American strategists acknowlege have killed far too many civilians over
the past two years. But while Operation Khanjar realizes Washington’s
increased desire to divert more “resources” into Afghanistan, it is
unclear what, if anything, can be accomplished by this kind of brute
force.
At the launch of the offensive, U.S. General Stanley McChrystal gave
only the following explanation: that his intention is to “clear, hold
and build” in Taliban strongholds like Helmand.
But what exactly does “clear” mean? If it means to kill, the U.S.
Marines will have to distinguish between Taliban and non-Taliban
Afghans to avoid more civilian casualties. This is a near-impossible
task. The Taliban do not wear a uniform or carry membership cards. They
carry weapons, but so do Afghan civilians, who do so to protect their
families. In an effort to lower the embarrassing count of civilians
killed (often greater than the numbers killed by the Taliban),
McChrystal has ordered troops to cut short any pursuit of Taliban
fighters if civilians are at risk.
The U.S. troops have to play cautious -- they have everything to lose:
their own lives and the diminishing goodwill of the Afghan people.
Unfortunately for the troops, Afghan civilian resentment, built up over
the past several years, has not vaporized just because the U.S.
military’s rules of engagement have officially changed. The Marines are
facing a Taliban force bolstered by the survivors of U.S. bombs and the
loved ones of those killed. The Taliban’s greatest advantage is their
ability to move through a population increasingly sick of
“death-by-occupation,” leaving the U.S. troops with only two options:
risk letting the Taliban escape, or kill the Taliban even if it means
killing civilians in the process and violating the new rules. Both
scenarios lead to a Taliban victory.
Perhaps by “clear,” McChrystal means capture. But that raises more
difficult questions: Where will they put the prisoners, and what sort
of justice will be offered? Will the United States turn Bagram into a
greater gulag than Guantanamo? Will they turn over those who survive
their torture and interrogation to secret military tribunals? In
releasing 90 percent of those imprisoned at Guantanamo without charge,
the United States has already proved inept at distinguishing al Qaeda
and Taliban members from ordinary civilians over the past eight years.
Imprisoning and torturing innocent civilians has the same obvious
effect as killing them: increased hostility and resentment toward the
occupation.
Perhaps by “clear,” McChrystal simply means pushing the Taliban out of
the areas where they are operating into surrounding areas. Already
there are reports that the Taliban have escaped
the current offensive, simply retreating to the western and northern
parts of the country and launching their own counter-operation: Iron Net,
intended to trap the U.S. forces. They have killed dozens of troops and
civilians through roadside and suicide bombs in the past week alone. In
response, the United States has reportedly fallen back on the
discredited strategy of air raids to kill dozens of people they claim
are “militants,” but likely include civilians.
If the current strategy does result, intentionally or not, in
displacing the problem into new areas, presumably more Marines will
have to be deployed to those areas to repeat the cat-and-mouse game,
and push the Taliban up against borders that they cannot infiltrate.
But Afghanistan is not a small country (it is comparable in size to
Iraq) and by this logic, the United States is looking at a long-term
blanket occupation of the country, something that ordinary Afghans have
increasingly declared they do not want.
A BBC-ABC News poll
conducted prior to the current ground offensive revealed that less than
50 percent of Afghans have a favorable opinion of the United States,
down from 68 percent in 2005. (The poll also revealed an even greater
dislike of the Taliban, meaning that Afghans tolerate the U.S. military
only because they have no other options.
The likelihood of American success in Afghanistan is at best dim and,
at worst, heading inevitably toward a lose-lose situation. Given the
impossibility of surgically identifying and killing a moving and
elusive target, there are only two possible outcomes: killing a lot of
civilians, or pushing the insurgency to the rest of the country, or
both. After the Iraq debacle, are Americans ready for yet another
unpopular occupation, protracted war and thousands of U.S. casualties?
Perhaps the name is apt: the United States' Operation Khanjar is named
for an Arabic (not Afghan) dagger widely used in past centuries by
fighters in the Gulf Arab region, in countries like Oman. But today,
the Khanjar is largely a ceremonial weapon, a decorative objet d’art
used to adorn walls but useless in a real fight. Like the Khanjar, the
current U.S. strategy in Afghanistan, out-of-touch with reality, is
more symbolic than practical.
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Show AllOperation Strike of the Sword will be followed by Operation Deep Thrust of Freedom which will be followed by Operation Orgasm of Liberty which will be followed by Operation Cornhole of Democracy. When this is all over in 2012, with half a million innocent civilians dead, Obimbo will ask Karzai how it was for him. Provided that Karzai is still above ground. We might decide to get rid of him, the way a last place sports team fires the manager, thinking this will turn their fortunes around.
For centuries, no occupying force has ever succeeded in Afghanistan. Why would anybody think the US Marines had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding ?
Alexander and Genghis Khan did OK there. All we need are generals as competent and capable as those two. On second thought, we better get out quick.
Wrong on the first sentence, correct on the last one.
They won't. They will win every battle, they will beat the Taliban most every time, may even run them out of Afganistan, they will do their job.....but we will pay a heavy price for no real result, just like Viet Nam. That is the one way Iraq and Afganistan resemble Viet Nam.
A damn waste of wonderful young people and Afgans that will die needlessly too.
"A damn waste of wonderful young people and Afgans that will die needlessly too."
And those who do survive will hate the USA for generations to come and I don't blame them. Already, I have a bad feeling that our own younger generation and future generations will hate us for leaving them in massive debts to clean up and the country being scorned all over the world. One can only hold so much sorrow and misery until it spills into anger and possible revenge.
"I have a bad feeling that our own younger generation and future generations will hate us for leaving them in massive debts to clean up and the country being scorned all over the world."
Boy are you right about that first part. And they should if we let this bunch of fools add so much to the debt the last bunch ran up. Finish off our economy and make the US a 2nd. tier country to leave to them.
The second part.....we aren't as hated or scorned by as much of the world as many here like to rant. I've been in most of the world and their portrayal of what the rest of the world thinks of us is hogwash. According to them the Vietnamese hate us. Not true, most do not at all. Go there and its quite evident. But there are more than enough that won't be sending us a Christmas card.
Consider that people from all over the world try to get here, risk their lives to get here, year after year from every country on the globe. If we were as hated as they say, if we were as crappy a country as they pretend it thios wouldn't be happening. If you want real entertainment. read the explanations of why this is by those same ranters. It's hilarious in some cases.
Vietnam was decades ago. Even in that case, it took a long time and we weren't after them for oil unlike Iraq or to kill people preemptively based on the "terror" frame unlike our current wars in the Middle East. The Middle East on the other hand has been screwed the worst this decade alone as if they didn't have enough from previous decades to worry about. I don't think the Middle East will like us for at least another 20 years and that's assuming we don't mess things up any more with them for the next 20 years. If we're ranting as you say about our country being scorned by other nations, please name us the nations that aren't scorning us. The Iraq war has already put our country's name in the toilet and screwing with Afghanistan and Pakistan will only keep it there.
The US Marines were never failures. This article is too unpatriotic and Sonali Kolhatkar should move to Afghanistan for speaking against the US Marines. I want my action TV so I can enjoy being a couch potato and my TV dinners !
The US Marines always get attacked by the looney leftists as always.
Interesting you say "were" never failures instead of the present "are", implying, maybe unconsciously, that this time could be different.
You suggest Sonali should go to Afghanistan for speaking against the marines, assuming you mean as some sort of punishment, since women are persecuted there. But, if the marines are inevitably victorious, as you suggest, then Afghanistan would be okay for Sonali. However, once again, you show no faith in the triumph of marines in Afghanistan by condemning her there.
"But, if the marines are inevitably victorious, as you suggest,"
HA! Inevitably victorious indeed. Marines seldom lose in the long run but believe you me, Marines get their butt's kicked like everyone else. I know some NVA types who ran us off a few times and we were running pretty fast. Its not the Marines that lose its our leaders that lose it. Thats why its never different. Bad mission....bad outcome.
Going to Viet Nam was a mistake. Knowing the terrain in Afganistan its a no win either unless the Afgan people want us to win. And they do hate the Taliban more than us....but that doesn't mean they are on our side. You can bet they miostly want both to get the hell out of their country.
I'd say I have implicit faith in the Corp, but I have none in the mission.
If our young in the Marines weren't put through brainwashing, they wouldn't be fighting overseas just to be your "entertainment" fodder gasbrain !
Laffing Garfield
I trust that was sarcastic.....
Henry8
I'm against the US occupying Afghanistan. I'm libertarian and I am against meddlesome foreign government intervention. I call for bringing all our troops home, closing the bases around the world and keeping our borders secure. There are too many illegal aliens trying to hog up my favorite foods and not working. They need to work and contribute to the economy or be thrown back to Mexico.
you are forgetting that :illegal aliens are in the USA - because OF THE USA's IMPERIAL COLONIAL INTRUSIONS into THEIR economies
the USA HOGGED their resources through rightwing dictatorships
as JOHN PERKINS , former CIA "economic hitman" revealed his work for decades "in south american, middle east , africa and asia"........
"OUR FOREIGN POLICY IS DESIGNED to RENDER weaker nations PERMANENTLY SUBJUGATED to the will of OUR chamber of commerce and our corporations...i was PART of that Project of EMPIRE...our strategy is in stages:
"first - we approach governments and institutions in countries - handing them false PROJECTIONS for their future development NEEDS - in order to PERSUADE them to ACCEPT our LOANS that we know they need for development ...at USURIOUS rates....and when pay time comes and they can't pay - we tell them: 'look, you can't pay - so why don't we deal - you open your resources to our businesses...keep wages low...etc'...if they DON"T cooperate - we resort to blackmail, torture , disappearances, murder, covert support for insurrections and then BLAME them for mismanagement...MY role as economic hitman was to approach them for these loans and protection racket (which I did with the SAUDI royalty) -
if they are stubborn still --that's when we send in our JACKALS - CIA hitmen - for assassinations and fomenting insurrections...and toppling governments......if tHAT FAILED....
THAT's when we send in our ARMY -- that's what you see in iraq ".
"WE are an EMPIRE - the largest the world has known ...and we have gotten away wtih building this empire through manipulation, murder and assassinations, torture, covert and over wars , and plain theft of other countries' resources".
"what most americans do NOT really realize or admit is : we are living our lifestyles because that is ONLY PART of a VERY, VERY VICIOUS system of exploitation that Dehumanizes and Enslaves People EVERYWHERE".
Teddy my man. You beat me to it and elaborated rather well. I don't LG will get this through his thick brain of his.
you know what is very terrifying also?
it is that the RELATIVE prosperity of americans in general compared to those in most other nations KEEPS AMERICANS TIED to the ":hope" of "sharing" more in the prosperity that is always PROMISED but NEVER delivered according to the TRUE WORTH of what americans COLLECTIVELY created ON TOP OF WHICH the POWERS of the corporations and WAR MACHINE SIT and gobble up the wealth ......
and through THIS effect of making americans IMPOTENT - because they are "played" to HANG ON to whatever CRUMBS are LEFT to them - which they see as "better country than others" - americans are NEUTERED to do anything and in realizing their TRUE power.
the class wars are a way of "dividing" americans...between "middle class, lower class, welfare rolls who are 'lazy' (someone has to be the *despised*) - add to that the "lazy immigrants"..add to that the "foreigners and terrorists who hate us")....
and so the POWERS DIVIDE and CONQUER....
abroad and at home.
and the ILLUSION that is used to render americans WEAKENED is the "promise of a better tomorrow" AS THEIR TODAYs AND tomorrows are STOLEN from them.
Sioux Rose
I find most fitting and apt the powerful analysis offered by Robert Fisk in calling Afghanistan the graveyard of empires. He referenced in particular the same supply routes once utilized by the Russians and now the Americans, with likely the same exact outcomes. These routes, like arteries into the body of Afghanistan, represent strategic zones where the entire convoy of shipped supplies can (and will) be cut off. This zone operates like a gigantic Venus Fly-trap ambush of geographical fate!
And as to the name McCrystal making things CLEAR, this guy is straight out of central casting from the film muppet-master Jim Hensen created, entitled, "The Dark Crystal." Hubris must really prevent so-called great warriors from seeing their inevitable fate even if thousands of others portrayed it! "That won't happen to me!" style.
Or maybe from the casting of "A Few Good Men":
Q: Do I make myself clear?
A: McCrystal clear.
Sioux Rose
666: "Excellent, Garth!"
This war will play itself out eventually. Just like Viet Nam. Viet Nam was not funny, but it was always good for a laugh.
The Afghans dislike the Taliban more than the U.S..
That's a great start, if we put as much money into helping them as we do in bombing them we could win hearts and minds.
Helping them is giving them their country back and to live their live as they have been doing without "western values" being crammed down their throat. With out running a pipeline through their country and leaving them high and dry getting none of the profit.
On the other hand, the military is not touching the opium crop, for some reason. They say it's to win hearts and minds but I suspect it's an important income for all involved.
Again, another artilce on the Helmand Province operation with no mention that this province is the world's most productive opium region. This is a hostile takeover, a commodity worth fighting over.
Seeds of Terror by Gretchen Peters, 2009, Excerpts
Opium makes up between 30 and 50 percent of Afghanistan’s GDP. It’s essential to recognize the economic miracle the drug traffickers have achieved. From one of the world’s most remote and backward regions, where the transport network and infrastructure is almost completely shattered, they have managed to integrate an agricultural product into the global economy. From importing precursor chemicals to giving loans to thousands of small farmers to providing security for shipments as they move across the border, this is an organizational feat of the highest order. And it’s all about making money. Although the Taliban commanders are deep in the opium trade, they are not the masterminds. This is being run by businessmen.
As a former mercenary, I know more about the Marines than you loonies would ever know. Sometimes, the Taliban followers are clever in mingling in local crowds so what do you do? Let them get away with it? I had to shoot and kill innocent civilians as a mercenary but at least they had no chance of being possible terrorists. Afghanistan is already entrenched with the Taliban that scorching it to smash them is not doomed to failure.
-- but at least they had no chance of being possible terrorists. --
As I have ranted repeatedly and redundantly, it's all about preventing future terrorism, the insane military goal set into law by our corrupt and despicably small-minded Congress, back when they willingly succumbed to the lies, deceits and threats of the Bush war-mongers.
There is no victory in Afghanistan because there can never be an end to preventing future terrorism, unless and until the military controls all territory and all potential future terrorists (everybody).
Unless Congress gets its collective head out of its ass and revokes Public Law 107-40, America will remain a self-destructing nation in an unwinnable war that causes incredible damage to civilization but enriches a few.
Pay no attention to EncinoM. He's a known fringe rightwing lunatic on Alternet. Trying to reason with him is impossible.
EncinoM
As a former Marine I can say I doubt you know more about Marines than I do. Marines are not Mercs and they had/have little use for them.
Frankly I doubt you ever saw any combat at all. Your easy conversational "I had to shoot and kill innocent civilians as a mercenary but at least they had no chance of being possible terrorists." tells me its unlikely you have ever seen any combat, because a combat veteran hates to think of iit let alone talk about it.
So methinks its you that's the loony here.
Thank you Henry8 for stepping in and setting the record straight. I always knew that the US Marines had at least some integrity in them. I don't know about you but as I see it, the US Marines are used as pawns by the politicians. As I recall, even Marines have oaths to abide by while mercenaries do not and only care to fight for money and nothing else. EncinoM is a known rightwing lunatic on Alternet. Why he came here is beyond me. He even called Rush Limbaugh an "analyst" of all things. As I said earlier, there's no reasoning with him.
maxpayne
And thank you for your kind words to JWVerez. JW paid a heavy price in Viet Nam for exactly what you said....our armed services do their job, its the politicians that commit them where and when they shouldn't that bear the responsibility.
JW's health has deteriorated and his wife speaks for him now, but he knows what the truth really is and I know he feels the same way about mercenaries. Even the 101st. Airborne boy's (lol) agree that Merc's are trash and only cause harm.
I wish we could bring all of them home. This is a bad mission. Just as their nephew's life was wasted in Iraq, more will be wasted in Afganistan.
People forget that the Marines are the smallest of our armed forces and can be committed anywhere in the world by the President alone without authorization from Congress. Thats why you always hear about the Marines when these operations are brought up.
With where I work at, to get to know what's going on, sometimes the only way out is in. People on the outside would see the soldiers and contractors in black and white. Not so once you get to know them more. To tell you the truth, we're all in this together like it or hate it no matter how much trolls like EncinoM and "laffing garfield" wanna deny it. See, one big lesson I learned working in DoD was whether I'm a programmer or a soldier, our work gets taken and used, sometimes for good and sometimes for bad. Unfortunately, we're all being misused as pawns and more of us have to unite to stop this madness. Sioux Rose brought up an interesting point on her article on Mars and Venus when she discussed how Mars used to stand for defending up to a limit before he ended up standing for wars without end. I can tell you all the budgets that get cut and rearranged for the military. If you also recall, on several occasions during Bush's administration, the Pentagon would call for modest increases in defense spending but Bush would bully them into telling the public his way too high numbers. I don't see Obama bringing the Pentagon back to the sanity I saw in Clinton's time. Again, I put the blame square on the politicians, not the workers or the soldiers. LBJ and Bush II have done a swell job of sabotaging the military. I don't know how Obama plans to fix the last 8 years of sabotaging the military.
I'll be happy to look into JWVerez's archived posts since I assume he must have discussed what you said at some point. I have seen his name brought up by JenniferBedingfield on the occasion. Maybe she can discuss him in detail, just kidding.
"If you also recall, on several occasions during Bush's administration, the Pentagon would call for modest increases in defense spending but Bush would bully them into telling the public his way too high numbers. I don't see Obama bringing the Pentagon back to the sanity I saw in Clinton's time."
The absolute truth.
JW's a good guy....look up a SnowWolf I think it was, it was his son in the 101st. in Iraq that confirmed how our real troops feel about these Mercs as they like to refer to themselves. Jennifer is a friend of JW's and came on board here because of them. She is another of the good people here as Sioux Rose is. She and I see the military differently and she doesn't see the need for them. I of course know we need them, especially in coming years, but she and I agree on some things. Bring our kids home. Don't commit them unless we have to and close as many of the bases we don't need. I really respect her opinions.
maxpayne and Henry8,
Thank you. I know you two have tender liberal hearts deep down even if you are mistaken as rightwing.
Henry8, I don't see where Sioux Rose said that she doesn't see the need for the military at all. She wouldn't mind the military but only if it could be in a more constructive rather than destructive mode. Here's her article I gave to maxpayne to read when he had an issue with Venus. Please read it and understand.
http://www.siouxrose.com/article.venus.htm
Btw maxpayne, I was glad you were kidding on that suggestion. If I had to write everything about JWVerez, I'd be sitting totally depressed in tears and trying to catch my breath and I can't afford it. I met JWVerez in person when I went to my company's business customer company where he worked at. He was very friendly to talk to and yet for what Vietnam turned him into, I felt totally heartbroken to see him like that despite his astounding success. He invited me over to his house so that I could meet his family. He had so much to share and discuss and he mentioned this site and others to introduce me to. His wife tried to help me overcome my sadness and consoled me. I had a chance to visit this site and Alternet and read all his posts from the archives. His descriptions of what he went through were so depressing and heartbreaking but I loved the way he fought tooth and nail on the issues. Like you two, I also forgave JWVerez for voting for Obama. I look forward to him coming back and I also look forward to his wife speaking out as well. We welcome everyone on this site, well except rightwing trolls such as EncinoM and "laffing garfield".
Hi Jennifer
Believe me SR would be happy if the military was completely gone. Ask her. In re-reading what I wrote I see how it could mean SR doesn't recognize the need for a military, not correct. She and I have discussed it many times. We differ, but with respect.
Only the far left and the most radical of them mistake differring opinions as "right wing" Jennifer. There aren't that many here.
JW's one of my brothers that paid a far higher price than the rest of us did. Even the brothers we left behind didn't pay as high a price. But he is a Texan and we are tough (LOL) He'll make it!
Thanks for letting me off the hook for voting for Obama, I'm not sure I'll be able to be so lenient on myself. He is shaping up to be the worst President we ever had. Even Bush is beginning to look good. Uh....make that Bush 1 at this point.
"make that Bush 1 at this point."
I think it will be safe to say Bush 2 by 2012 if not 2010 or even the end of this year itself.
WELL -- people should REHEAR the words of the most legendary US MARINE of them all:
GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER _ US MARINES - 1933 speeches:
"OUR FOREIGN POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN GEARED TOWARDS GATHERING AS MUCH OF THE WORLD;S RESOURCES UNTO OURSELVES - AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS.........i served our Big Finance, Big Corporations, Big Money , Chamber of Commerce....and their BIG MUSCLE is our US ARMED FORCES....so you can say I was their HIGH CLASS CHIEF ENFORCER -- our wars in foreign lands are nothing else but MONEY RACKETS - i can tell you where what the Browns brothers and banks and corporations wanted :
"you wanted to pacify nicaragua? panama? and half-a dozen other south american countries for our corporations and banks - i'd do it for you? you want to make china safe so our BIG OIL can run unmolested? i'd do it for you....
"they had their BIG BRAINS - people who write opinions to identify threats to our WILL and to destroy them...
"al capone had nothing on me..i could have taught him a trick or two ..his RACKET was only in Chicago and a few other cities...MINE was in THREE continents"...
"I suspended my conscience for 30 years - knowing that what we do is EVIL...".
"I will have nothing more to do with it....i believe in a strong defense - no more than 200 miles from our coasts and NOTHING ELSE".
"the TROUBLE with US americans is: if our DOLLAR can't buy more than 6 percent of its value at HOME -- we get UNEASY - and we want to go abroad so it can buy 100 % more..and where the DOLLAR goes, our FLAG follows, where the FLAG goes, OUR ARMY follows..in order to make the World Safe for our BIG BOSS - our Supernationalistic Capitalism and our Cultural and Economic ASSAULT".
"we are a PREDATOR NATION - and a RACKETEERING NATION".
"WAR IS A RACKET".
Encino, this is the sickest comment I have seen on CD in years, if it's not satire. You invade and occupy someone's country, then say it's OK to kill even civilians who resist you. And then say it's not doomed to failure? Again, if you're serious, I suggest you report to the SPCA and euthanize yourself.
EncinoM has posted a lot of this kind of rightwing hate talk back when he'd be on Alternet. He still does it there but I seldom bother to debate him anymore. He even thinks that Rush Limbaugh is an "analyst". There's no reasoning with rightwing lunatics like him. He's probably sitting in his parent's basement listening to Limbaugh and Hannity with delusions of grandeur.
how nice - a former mercenary --
the question you never seem to ask yourself
WHAT BUSINESS DO YOU HAVE being in regions the USA has NO BUSINESS trying to control?
what RIGHT does the USA have trying to control ANYWHERE in the world?
in history there is a parallel by the way:
as the ROMAN EMPIRE - which rose from and RUINED the Roman Republic - was in its death throes - a gradual occurence of course....
there is a similarity to the USA today :
when the Roman Empire was gradually collapsing due to its own arrogance (" let them all HATE us - if they wish -- so long as they FEAR US " )
it began to depend MORE and MORE on Mercenaries.
TODAY - in the USA - it is known as "PRIVATIZED" war...with its "corporate security" , for profit war machine.......
you are basically REPEATING history.
including the hanging-on to the "right" of Empire. even as it collapses around you. ..because you won't admit to ONE reality :
People DO NOT LIKE to have FOREIGNERS run their countries.
you SHOULD KNOW - after all - as an american you would be among those that think the world has no business TELLING america how to behave within its own borders.
SO -- what are YOU doing IN afghanistan telling THEM how to BEHAVE?
"As a former mercenary, I know more about marines than you loonies would ever know."
You must have worked in one of those brothels outside Camp Pendleton, or was it from walking the streets of Carlsbad. What do you do for work now, scrape the floors in the peep show booths in North Beach?
Ray Berthiaume
The taliban sure get a lot of press even though their numbers are no more than 20,000. But they make the U.S. military look like fools.
as a writer said:
"IF all things were equal among warriors (refering to equal arms, technology, whatever) - the Taliban and Afghanis against the Americans....
the war would be over in FIVE MINUTES - the americans would be going home".
I remember very well when the war for Iraq natural resources started under Bush. At the time, the US State department exploited a whole bunch of what might loosely call activist groups. Sonali actively advocated for "women in black" an others to highlight the plight of Afghan women. At close inspection of their impact, they, like others who have come before them,were all used as dupes for the US State Department in furtherance of empire. Not different from the role of missionaries in Africa, South America, Central America and the Caribeean. A tactical good fro Strategic evil. Game theory.
Before it was the sword and the cross. Today it has been upgraded to the Sword and the NGO.
Colin Powel was correct when a few years ago, he publicly stated that NGOs were force multipliers for the US military objectives
"Women in Black" have never supported any U.S. war, anywhere. They have always been anti-war. Your info is wrong.
Sonali, as the wife of a retired US Marine and the aunt of another US Marine who was not lucky to survive Afghanistan in 2003 unlike my husband who barely survived Vietnam, I wished that the US Marines would not only read this excellent article but would think before going. When men and women become Marines, the saying always goes "once a marine, always a marine!" The brainwashing of young people into being US Marines was bad enough in the 1960s but my husband did tell me of times when his mind would be lingering with ambivalence when he was about to kill an innocent child. Our nephew on the other hand not only grew up in a neighborhood and school where he was brainwashed into loving the military. He even had the nerve to talk against his own parents and us. Even my husband was unable to convince him out of joining the Marines. He had to learn his lesson the tragic way in Afghanistan in 2003. :(
PS: It was already very difficult to pull my husband out of the brainwashing the US Marines put him through. Had our nephew still been alive and come home, I can only imagine that it would have been harder.
I am sorry to hear what your husband and nephew had to go through. I don't think that it is the US Marines that brainwashed your husband and your nephew. The US Marines are controlled by the politicians in Washington and misused as pawns for rightwing political, religious, and economic purposes. I come across very friendly men and women who have served in the Marines. If your nephew spoke against his parents before joining the Marines, the fault lies with the environment he grew up in and that needs to be corrected. While I have not served in the military myself, I can understand why people would choose to serve and it often has to do with getting somewhere in life. I have heard that training in the military has deteriorated over the years and with Obama following Bush in replacing US soldiers with military contractors especially mercenaries, things could get worse.
Thanks for the first hand reminder.
Best wishes to You.
Let me see if I have this straight.
It was bad when dim witted George W. Bush sent young Americans to kill innocent Iraqis and Afghanis for oil. But its ok now that a charismatic Barack Obama does it. Is that the story you fucking liberal Democrats, progressives, and social democrats who think you believe in socialism?
It was bad when the semi-literate George W. Bush sent young American fathers, mothers, sons and daughters off to die for rich people in foreign lands. But its ok now that the great orator with the teleprompter Barack Obama does it. Is that the story you fucking useless dilettantes at the Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, MoveOn.Org, and on web sites like Common Dreams?
It was bad when the bankers guy in the White House, George W. Bush was ordering Predator drones to fire missiles into wedding parties and funeral processions in Pakistan and Afghanistan and counting the dead children and their mothers as "militants" killed. But its ok now that the new bankers guy in the White House, and hasn't Barack Obama been good to Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, BOA and Citigroup, does it. Is that the story you fucking pretend anti-war, anti-imperialist, anti-racist and labor organizations in this God-forsaken country.
There's not a dimes worth of difference between either of these war criminals. Fuck them both! And fuck any of us who continue to remain silent because Barack Obama is the president.
Actually, unlike the other sites, at least here there's some civility and intelligent discussion which is sorely needed so that maybe more people on the Internet will read this, learn from it, and then we'll stand a better chance to win. If you even bothered to shut up and read our comments on this site, you'd already know that most of us here are well aware of the fact that there's little difference between Bush and Obama. You have no business calling us useless dilettantes.
If the shoe didn't fit Max, you wouldn't have put it on.