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My Message to Obama: Great Speech, But No Military Commissions and No 'Preventive Detention'
I analyze these points in the article below, but although I believe that this speech will help the President score points from those who have, of late, been seeking to undermine him, I also have to point out that, on two issues — the use of Military Commissions and the proposal to introduce a form of “preventive detention” — no amount of eloquence can erode my implacable opposition to both suggestions.
The President began by being openly critical of his predecessors, who, “faced with an uncertain threat … made a series of hasty decisions. Even though those decisions were “motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people,” he made it clear that many of them were “based upon fear rather than foresight,” and, interestingly, noted that the Bush administration “all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions” — a statement which appears to refer to the inadequacy of the evidence against numerous Guantánamo prisoners, which I have been writing about for over three years, and have highlighted in two recent articles.
Obama proceeded to point out that the Bush administration had also set aside America’s core principles “as luxuries that we could no longer afford,” but also extended the responsibility for allowing this to happen to “politicians, journalists and citizens,” who all “fell silent” in this “season of fear.”
“In other words,” he continued, “we went off course,” and he suggested that the American people had realized this when they “nominated candidates for President from both major parties who, despite our many differences, called for a new approach — one that rejected torture, and recognized the imperative of closing the prison at Guantánamo Bay.”
Moving on to specifics, Obama defended the absolute prohibition on the use of torture — although he didn’t, of course, mention some reservations about loopholes in this policy that I explored here — and unreservedly refuted claims that waterboarding was either necessary or useful (a familiar refrain, but one particularly focused just now on Dick Cheney, who appears to be on an endless Torture Tour). “I know some have argued that brutal methods like waterboarding were necessary to keep us safe,” he said, but added, “I could not disagree more. As Commander-in-Chief, I see the intelligence, I bear responsibility for keeping this country safe, and I reject the assertion that these are the most effective means of interrogation.”
On Guantánamo, Obama and his team had certainly done some research. The President made a point of mentioning twice that the Bush administration’s trials by Military Commission had led to only three convictions in seven years, and that 525 prisoners were released from the prison under his predecessor’s watch, and proceeded to emphasize that he was “cleaning up something that is — quite simply — a mess; a misguided experiment that has left in its wake a flood of legal challenges that my Administration is forced to deal with on a constant basis, and that consumes the time of government officials whose time should be spent on better protecting our country.”
Stressing that “the problem of what to do with Guantánamo detainees was not caused by my decision to close the facility; the problem exists because of the decision to open Guantánamo in the first place,” Obama pointed out that “the legal challenges that have sparked so much debate in recent weeks” — the court order to release 17 Uighurs into the United States, and the Supreme Court’s 2006 ruling on the invalidity of the Military Commissions — had taken place under the Bush administration, and, in the case of the Supreme Court, in a Court that “was overwhelmingly appointed by Republican Presidents.” This was true, but the emphasis he placed on it conveniently allowed him to evade responsibility for not intervening to prevent an appeal court from shamefully reversing the ruling about the Uighurs just three months ago.
Having established this background, Obama then openly criticized “some of the fear-mongering that emerges whenever we discuss this issue,” adding, “Listening to the recent debate, I’ve heard words that are calculated to scare people rather than educate them; words that have more to do with politics than protecting our country.” Explaining, “I want to solve these problems, and I want to solve them together as Americans,” he insisted that “the wrong answer is to pretend that this problem will go away if we maintain an unsustainable status quo,” adding, “Our security interests won’t permit it. Our courts won’t allow it. And neither should our conscience.”
Moving on to the specific issues relating to the closure of Guantánamo, Obama began by assuring would-be critics that “we are not going to release anyone if it would endanger our national security, nor will we release detainees within the United States who endanger the American people” (a statement intended, I think, to provide reassurance that the Uighurs are not a threat). He then got down to details, beginning with a pledge that, “[w]here demanded by justice and national security,” “some detainees” — mercifully, not all 240 — will be transferred to secure prisons on the US mainland (with some added reassurance that “nobody has ever escaped from one of our federal ‘supermax’ prisons”).
After dismissing some of the shrill rhetoric about the recidivism rates of released prisoners by blaming it on the Bush administration’s “poorly planned, haphazard approach” to releasing prisoners (and not, of course, mentioning that another shoddy and exaggerated report was leaked by his own Defense Department just yesterday), Obama promised that, “when feasible, we will try those who have violated American criminal laws in federal courts,” mentioning, thankfully, how federal courts have been perfectly capable of prosecuting terrorists (as, for example, in the cases of Ramzi Yousef and Zacarias Moussaoui), and also mentioning today’s reassuring announcement that one of Guantánamo’s “high-value detainees,” Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, an alleged associate of the African embassy bombers, will be tried in a federal court in New York.
More worryingly, Obama also confirmed that, in some cases, he would indeed be pressing for trials using a revised version of the Military Commissions that were first conceived as an appropriate venue for “terror suspects” by Dick Cheney and David Addington, arguing — wrongly, I believe — that they have a noble history, are “an appropriate venue for trying detainees for violations of the laws of war,” and will, with some tweaking, be “fair, legitimate, and effective.”
We can at least be reassured that, unlike Cheney and Addington, Obama promised to “work with Congress and legal authorities across the political spectrum on legislation” relating to the Commissions, but I have to say that I will continue to campaign against the revival of the Commissions in any form, and that I also regard today’s decision to charge Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani in a federal court as a clear indication that trials in the US court system are the only legitimate way forward, and that setting up a two-tier system — of federal courts on the one hand, and Military Commissions on the other — appears to be nothing but a recipe for disaster.
Moving on, Obama dealt with the question of 21 prisoners whose release has already been ordered by the lower courts (following the Supreme Court’s ruling last June, in Boumediene v. Bush, that the prisoners have habeas corpus rights), by rather over-egging the point that “this has absolutely nothing to do with my decision to close Guantánamo,” that “[t]wenty of these findings took place before I came into office,” and, as an almost apologetic footnote, which betrays, I think, his preference for his own inter-departmental review of the Guantánamo cases over those made by the courts, stating, “The United States is a nation of laws, and we must abide by these rulings.”
After dropping, in passing, the news that the review team has now approved 50 prisoners for transfer to other countries (a few weeks ago, it was just 30), Obama moved on to a topic that is at least as worrying to lawyers, civil libertarians and those concerned with constitutional issues as the proposal to revive the Commissions: those prisoners who, as the President put it, “cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people.”
Although it was refreshing to hear Obama state, “I want to be honest: this is the toughest issue we will face,” the examples he gave of prisoners who might be imprisoned indefinitely under a form of “preventive detention” — “people who have received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, commanded Taliban troops in battle, expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans” — cannot be regarded as a separate category of prisoner from those, like Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, who will face a trial in a US federal court.
Frankly, to even entertain the prospect that a third category of justice (beyond guilt and innocence) can be conjured out of thin air without fatally undermining the principles on which the United States was founded is to enter perilous territory indeed. Fundamentally, Guantánamo is a prison that was founded on the presumption that the Bush administration’s “new paradigm” justified “preventive detention” for life, and although Obama stepped up his assurances at this point in his speech — talking about “clear, defensible and lawful standards,” “fair procedures,” and “a thorough process of periodic review” — it is simply unacceptable that “preventive detention” (which he referred to, euphemistically, as “prolonged detention”) should be considered as an option, however much he tried to legitimize it by stating, “If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight.”
To put it bluntly, it doesn’t matter how much you dress it up. Look at the sentence, “Hold[ing] individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war,” replace “an act of war” with “a crime, any crime,” and you will, I hope, realize why the proposed policy is so terrifying and so thoroughly unacceptable. If a President came to power promising to “hold individuals to keep them from committing a crime, any crime,” I’d be very worried indeed.
I’ll leave it to others to analyze the rest of the President’s speech, which dealt with broader questions of national security — including the “State Secrets” doctrine, the release of the torture memos issued by the Office of Legal Counsel, and the decision not to release photos of abuse in US prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq — not because I have no interest in these issues, but because I don’t want to distract attention from the two particular responses to the “mess” inherited from the Bush administration that I find deeply troubling: the decision to revive the Military Commissions, and the decision to push for a form of “preventive detention.”
I’m dismayed by the first, because, as I made clear, I think it represents an unnecessary and unjustifiable two-tier system, but I’m almost speechless with despair about the second, and would urge anyone who believes in the fundamental right of human beings, in countries that purport to wear the cloak of civilization with pride, to live as free men and women unless arrested, charged, tried and convicted of a crime, to resist the notion that a form of “preventive detention” is anything other than the most fundamental betrayal of our core values.
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Show AllRachel Maddow had a great opening segment on this topic last night on her show.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/
- Please email this link to your Obama supporting friends who have difficulty understanding constitutional issues.
The money quote:
"This is the point where democracy continues to die after the George Bush administration"
She did. But even better is Glenn Greenwald's evisceration of Obama's nonsense, point by point. Nobody can lay out the logical fallacies as luminously and flawlessly as him:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
Increasingly I hear Obummer's fans. They're looking remarkably chirpy, just like Britney Spears in Michael Moore's film about the war, and sounding even more like her: "Well, I think we should just trust our president. He must know what he's doing."--or words to that effect.
Rainborowe
Just running for a second term, right Mr. Obama?
What could they have paid you for such a complete sell out? You will never be as rich as you might have been in a law practice.
Most of us don't have your looks or brains, or speaking skills. You could have been so much. How could you settle for so little?
At least you don't have to worry about a bullet. The big boys will look after you now.
Don't forget to smile for the cameras.
Nietzsche May 22nd, 2009 10:03 am.............From Dylan's pen...."He's only a pawn in THEIR game".
Nietzsche,
That's an excellent point about the money. I find myself wondering along those lines myself. In fact there seems so little reason (and less and less by the day) underpinning his desire for the presidency, as we now see his role in it, that I get a creepy feeling that there's much worse to come. Perhaps it's the oratorical skills and the rapture of the audience, even of all those constitutionalists and historians at the National Archives today while listening to captivating craziness; almost like the followers listening to Hitler, to Mussolini, to the Messiah . . .
Somebody pinch me. Please.
Rainborowe
Money isn't the only type of corruption there is. There is the corruption that comes in gradually - first as a needed concession to get something done. Then comprimise to get a foothold in a position of power. It can be complicated, so you cut corners. Then you start hanging out with "the guys" and they, who are not dummies, seduce you into their world view. You get enamored with your own celebrity and image. You also get to see what happens to those who stand up for what they believe.
In today's politics, it is impossible for anyone to get anywhere towards major office with a lot of soul selling. By time someone gets to run for President, this erosion has been going on for a long time. If not, they would have been cut down one way or another early on in the process.
That's why I think it is important to field local candidates with grass roots ties.
Joe
Just Bush in sheeps clothing...simple as that. Hold on to those arms...they'll be next.
Give Obama a chance to straighten things out. He has only been in office four months and is not God or Superman. It may take some time to recover from eight years of greed, lies, mismanagement, torture, and a war of choice.
If the Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity crowd would just have the sense to shut up after their disaster, maybe we could have a little better feelings about the Republican party. It would also be great if his supporters would stay with him long enough to see how his plans work.
The Naderites on this site can never stop using Obama as a punchbag. They're just like Rush Limbaugh wishing for him to fail. This site is infested with bedwetting crybaby purists and mentally unstable astrological zombies. Out here in Nebraska, even in Omaha where Obama won that one electoral vote, putting in far leftists into office is impossible. 8 years of disaster caused by Bush and the Republicans won't be undone in 4 months. Obama will need at least 2 terms just to undo 45% the damage Bush left behind and then another two term Democratic presidency and a moderate Congress to clean up another 35%. If the Nader and his followers hadn't played spoiler in 2000, Gore would have won and 9/11, Iraq War, Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, and extended detention wouldn't have happened. Some people can't learn to shut their mouths and be practical.
How naive- the false dichotomy of Ds and Rs is only a facade. We live in a de-facto one party state, the evidence is crystal clear. I guess we just have to become complacent with that and just be practical, and go along with the sham. We need a PR system, for example, where we can have 4 or five parties, the two oligpolies have a stranglehold over the whole process and must be reformed. If you think the system give you a meaningful choice, you might want to take a Political Theory course.
Keep blaming folks like Nader, McKinney etc. as "spoilers", how un-democratic. The message there seems to be: "just shut-up and vote for the pre-approved candidates" What a choice.
Hail Caesar!
-just like Rush Limbaugh wishing for him to fail
If Obama, like Bush, believes that the government is above the law, I want him to fail as well, for the sake of America and the world.
-putting in far leftists into office is impossible
You would rather vote for the status quo party then, as long as their winning was possible, in your view? To do otherwise, in your view is a sign of instability? Interesting. Then you must be happy with the direction your country is going.
-Obama will need at least 2 terms
To do, what? what you think is "possible", as in continue the Bush policies?
-Gore would have won
And what would Gore have done? what you think is "possible" well Obama is doing that now so why aren't you happy?
-shut their mouths
I hope you are saving whatever Obama is paying because I doubt you will survive your performance review. I live in a multiparty liberal democracy with universal healthcare, no war, no kangaroo courts,...yes it is possible.
Bedwetting crybaby? "Some people can't learn to shut their mouths and be practical."
Project much?
Take away your own crying about Obama-opposing Big Meanies and your self-serving and ludicrously improbable fantasies about might-have-beens, and what's left?
"Yes, We Can!"
· Yr Obd't Servant
The blame on the election loss goes directly to Ralph Nader for purposely spoiling the election by campaigning in states that would have otherwise stayed solid in Gore's column while he did nothing in Bush's red states. Gore has always been an environmentalist while Nader was just a fault finder. Nader had great ideas but decided to trash those who would have carried them out. It was Nader who put Bush in office and FL and NH confirm that. The financial meltdown last year would not have happened had Gore been president from 2001 to 2008. Obama's withdrawing troops from Iraq. He may have to go into Afghanistan and Pakistan but we must crush the Taliban at all costs even if it results in unexpected civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I understand that there are Democrats who clinged to Bush on things like tax cuts and war in Iraq but while I'm not satisfied, I understand that they had to be practical or we would be stuck with more Republicans screwing up our country. There was a crybaby Naderite on this site who's now in the hospital and she deserved it and an astrological zombie who can't stop her doom and gloom nonsense predictions and then there are other bedwetting crybaby Naderites on this site like Red Rick and all who keep over demanding "progressive" purity. Here's something you should know. Nader's vote dropped from 2.88 million in 2000 to under 740,000 last year and Obama beat the hell out of Nader and I'm damn proud of it. Nader couldn't even come close to 1% because he was way too liberal and unrealistic. Practical Democrats win, not far leftists. We may need Obama in 2012 when the GOP puts up a loonier candidate who'll make even Sarah Palin look nice. You think you can get Nader to win out here in Nebraska ? Obama could barely muster 1 electoral vote in this state after 44 years so what makes you think an indy even has a chance? He or she will lack the support that's needed. If you want Nader, Mckinney, Kucinich, etc ... to win, try building the 3rd parties at the local level and let us know when they're finally ready for prime time on the national level. Until then, third parties and their supporters should just keep their mouths shut air tight. LOL !
Wow, it sounds like you are in support of the corporate media stranglehold. If you trust the democratic process to the MSM and the corporate elite, I am afraid that you risk appearing terribly naive. Politics, like life, is not black and white.
Even "mainstream" Lefties like Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, Howard Zinn agree that our de-facto one-party democracy as it is is a complete sham. Therefore I can only conclude that you are Conservative. You support the status quo one party state? How progressive of you! You want to censor us, what a joke. You will have to shut down the internet first my authoritarian friend. So keep drinkin the kool-aid and keep believing the fairy-tales and nightmares.
With "Democrats" like that, we don't need no stinkin Republicans. What's the difference anyway?
Hail Caesar!
a
Are you capable of writing a post without the words "crybaby", "purist", or "shut up"?
Kernetz,
You don't "straighten things out" by finding more devious ways to improve on the horrors of the Bush police state. Or to hand healthcare back to Big Insurance, Hospital Corp. and Big Pharma.
Obama is not just treading water while looking for the best exit, he's working on making it worse while tossing up two balls to distract our attention from the third. It's a conjuring trick and as anyone knows only the conjuror can win.
Forgive the mixed metaphors. I'm tired.
Rainborowe
"Give Obama a chance to straighten things out. He has only been in office four months and is not God or Superman. It may take some time to recover from eight years of greed, lies, mismanagement, torture, and a war of choice."
Already doing that and look how he's abusing it. By the way Obama's doing things and I deeply regret voting for him despite my hope that he'd do something truly different, by the time he leaves office, it will take an additional two generations to undo his mess before anyone can think of undoing Bush's 8 years of damage and then before that.
"If the Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity crowd would just have the sense to shut up after their disaster, maybe we could have a little better feelings about the Republican party. It would also be great if his supporters would stay with him long enough to see how his plans work."
The Republicans are never going to shut up no matter what Obama does. His moving to the right isn't stopping them. Obama's trading his supporters for the right wing supporters. You really should consider putting your party addiction aside and see Obama for what he's really worth and it's not good so far.
The insidious con job Obama's pulling is not "cross-party unity," as Worthington euphemistically labels it. When you work jointly with war criminals to protect them from prosecution it's called COLLUSION.
The Republican leadership successfully resurrected the Nazi blueprint: sell "preventative" war as defense of the Fatherland (Homeland), and denounce all who oppose you as unpatriotic. They even went as far as invoking torture.
Obama's "looking forward" is nothing more than a conniving way to turn principled Americans into modern day "Good Germans."
I agree, we have a grand dilemma here. Just like in the UK where there are two dominant parties (and they also have winner-takes-all election rules). "New Labour" under Tony Blair et al. took a rightward turn back in the early 90s and now it is difficult to tell the difference between a Conservative and "New Labour". The differences are largely superficial, worthy of tabloid news stories.
Same goes for the D and R parties in the USA; what are we going to do next election, vote R? What alternative do we have? Gingrich/Palin? or Obama/Biden what a choice. We on the Left/Progressive/Socialist end of the spectrum are largely shut out of the process
Not quite the same in the UK: they do have more than 2 parties in parliament, perhaps because the candidate who gets the highest number of votes in each constituency wins (i.e. if Nader, McKinney and Obama were running for the same seat and Obama got 400 votes, Nader got 300, McCain got 200, Obama would win; that's called a majority in the UK (and elsewhere). In the US the winner has to get more than 50% of the total votes cast; only that's a majority in the USA. Then there's the corporate money factor which didn't really exist in the UK but does more now than it did, although not nearly so much as it does here, and the UK parties have public financing at least to the extent of being given free spots for TV commerials. However, free TV and radio time is given according to the numbers of currently sitting MPs, so it's not the panacea.
Perhaps the best single thing that progressives in the US could do would be to work for what the Brits call the "single transferable ballot" and I think is the same as "instant run-off." You basically (and I'm NOT a mathematician by a long shot) list candidates in order of preference and by some magical process your vote for your first choice, if it doesn't win, transfers to your second and so on down the line.
The other thing the Brits have, and I'd put this first in my priorites, is that they have paper ballots which they mark in pencil with a cross next to their candidate. Then they fold and drop their ballot paper in a box and when the polls close the boxes are sealed and carried with an escort to the town hall or wherever to be counted by hand.
If the Nader, McKinney and Obama fanclubs would just restrain their childish and pointless slanging matches and instead set to work to change the manner in which we conduct the actual polling in this country, we could have elections which are much fairer and also result in policies far closer the to desires of the majority of the voters than we do now. But much of that work needs to be done at the local and state level; remember, the Constitution puts the conduct of elections and, for the most part, the rules governing who and how and where and why and when we have them, in the hands of the state/local governments. And if the rules were changed by an active and involved electorate, we wouldn't have had Tom DeLay gerrymandering Texas the way he did and getting away with it.
Rainborowe
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Sioux Rose
ZOREX: You brought up the point I intended to make. Thank you. Clinton took the "centrist" path to effectively dissolve any differences that might have existed between the parties, and now Obama is following in that tracking as if both parties working together, when policy is BAD, makes any sense. It does, however, make a lot of dollars for those funding these diplomatic sell-outs. The appearance of "working together" is being presented as the new Washington ideal, when in point of fact, it only furthers the interests of the corporate class. This is a whole new paradigm of a kinder, gentler fascism creeping over the land. Of course it's less kind and gentle if YOU are on the receiving end of the foreclosure, tainted food exposure, denial of medical assistance, or invitation to join the front lines of the war-for-profit state.
"Not quite the same in the UK: they do have more than 2 parties in parliament, perhaps because the candidate who gets the highest number of votes in each constituency wins (i.e. if Nader, McKinney and Obama were running for the same seat and Obama got 400 votes, Nader got 300, McCain got 200, Obama would win; that's called a majority in the UK (and elsewhere). In the US the winner has to get more than 50% of the total votes cast; only that's a majority in the USA."
When was the last time the Lib Dems formed a govt. in the UK?
Whether you call it "first past the post" or "winner-takes-all" it looks the same to me. Both the UK and the USA have single-seat constituencies and the one who gets the most votes wins. I don't see the difference in that regard.
My point was to get folks to think about how the election and campaign system affects outcomes.
My point was the same but you've shifted the goalposts from a 2-party only system to the ability of any of a multitude of parties to WIN a general election. The Lib-Dems didn't exist until the 1970s.
Maybe we should try having the one who gets the least votes win. That would be a real difference. A change we could believe in, even.
Rainborowe
Sioux - good points. This "bi-partisanship" is not getting us anything worthwhile. It mostly reflects the blending of two somewhat different views of HOW to control the money and people.
Joe
-Baloney. Obama's supposed "eloquence" is wildly exaggerated
I agree. I said as much before the election. I was met with disbelief from some Americans. "what, you say he is not a great speaker?
Maybe because I've heard some great speeches, historical ones and present day ones, that I can put Obama into better context than most Americans, that have heard nothing but "bushisms" for so long in their politics, and dumbed down 20 minute sitcom scripts on tv.
The world knows that Americans are ga-ga over Obama, and many of us around the world are pleased to not have to mute the tv everytime Bush appears on the news.
But I read Obama's speeches, saw the gaping holes in his vague commitments and saw Americans grasping at the life-preserver they thought they saw that would save their political souls, all it now proves, to their detriment.
You have to choose, what does America need? Pretty speeches or a president who wants to give you the government services you need.
Andy, here's my message to Obama ---- "NO EMPIRE"!!
Yes, Andy, Obama said (as you note) that "we went off course", but what he didn't say, that he should have said AND explained, is that "we went off course" toward EMPIRE instead of democracy!!
This is what I wrote to the NYT editorial comments (and all other blogs) regarding my extreme hope, then followed by immediate disappointment, with Obama's speech:
"The Real Path to Security" [NYT Ed title] is to just stop digging the hole that leads us and the U.S. to the abyss and ineluctable death-spiral of EMPIRE.
In the film "Jerry Maguire" Renée Zellweger says to Tom Cruise, "Shut up, just shut up. You had me at 'hello'".
Yesterday watching the beginning of Obama's speech I found myself wanting to shout, "Shut up, just shut up, you had me at 'EMPIRE'".
What had my hopes up was Obama's early history lesson at the beginning of his speech when he said:
"Fidelity to our values is the reason why the United States of America grew from a small string of colonies under the writ of an empire to the strongest nation in the world."
I'll admit, with my older hearing, that I thought Obama had said "colonies under the (grip) of empire", rather than the "writ" of empire, but to my ear the wonderful and glorious word that Obama was about to use as his teaching example was that we were under an 'EMPIRE'.
My heart jumped, I perked up my old ears, and got ready to listen to this most educated and educating president explain to his American students that the British Empire that had so oppressed and tyrannized our forefathers was, like all Empires, not merely a form of political oppression by the governmental monarchy of George III, but also was an indivisible economic tyranny of the British royally chartered East India Corporation, which caused the real Boston Tea Party against this combined political economic Empire.
I waited in rapt attention to Obama's every word waiting for him to speak truth to the oppressive power of Empire and explain, to we his students, how Empire is a pathology of both the political and economic (as well as social and military) spheres of our lives, and then to really lower the boom on Empire by explaining how one sphere of Empire (typically the economic) perverts all other spheres and actively seeks to take over all of the elements of a democratic society and 'democratic thinking' with the tyranny and deceit of an out-of-control ruling-elite that usurps 'democratic thinking' with their own private hierarchy of 'Empire thinking' --- just as Ben Franklin feared and knew when he said, "Now, we have our Republic, if we can keep it" (protected from Empire).
Not only did Obama not fulfill my 'hope' in his ability to 'change' our maelstrom driven course from one headed toward Empire, back to the safe course of democracy, but he then broke my heart by lying the 'white lie of politics' which Bill Clinton's deadly 'triangulation' has already shown always turns as black as death in the hands of Empire.
Obama said, not once, but twice, in describing the measures taken by the Bush/Cheney regime after the 'shock' of 9/11, "I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people." ----- Bull Shit!
There are only two possibilities for Obama telling this massive lie about the real reason for the Bush regime taking the imperial control measures that it was able to force on American democracy with the 'shock doctrine' that it implemented for the guileful Empire it was controlled by; either Obama is very naive (which he is not), or he was giving this deadly ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire' that controls our government behind the facade of its two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy, a Clintonian DLC accommodation and 'triangulation' rather than exposing, confronting, battling, and expunging this new and sophisticated Empire which has the U.S. under its grip, or as Obama himself preferred "writ".
As Obama continued to speak, he gave compelling encouragement to American's about how our country not only overcame that earlier "empire writ" that had tried to strangle our birth, but also how we overcame through strength of character and values the 20th century Empires (Nazi) of fascism, and (Soviet) of communism --- but the person most in need of such encouragement (and courage) from Obama, IS Obama.
Before this modern Hamlet walks off stage he will have to face the issue of whether to be, or not to be, for or against the Empire that he already knows in his heart and mind that he will have to confront.
Obama meeting this existential challenge, with us helping him, is the only thing that will bring us (and U.S.) a "Real Path to Security".
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
'... he was giving this deadly ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire' that controls our government behind the facade of its two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy, a Clintonian DLC accommodation and 'triangulation' rather than exposing, confronting, battling, and expunging this new and sophisticated Empire which has the U.S. under its grip, or as Obama himself preferred "writ".'
Well put, my sentiments exaclty.
The MSM trotting out Cheney in full saturation mode, gives a perfect foil for Obama to appear as a clear alternative: very crudely stated: Cheney=NeoFascism, Obama=NeoFascism Lite (TM) Now that is a choice we can believe in
The term "existential challenge" ought to be expunged.
Empire cannot be ended unless one ends capitalism. Obama (and the Democratic club with him) does not want to end capitalism; therefore he must defend & continue to extend empire.
If we are to be dedicated to the rule of law and the Constitution, then it is necessary to understand that the President still has to get things passed through Congress. This is not an easy thing to do as evidenced by this week's 90-6 vote in the Senate. The President is in a difficult position which must be taken into consideration. Not everyone in this country is ready or willing to concede that our detention policy is immoral and ineffective. If we are to persuade the rest of the public, then our discourse must be clear and reasoned. Unfortunately, much of the dialogue on these message boards fails miserably in that regard.
In this article, Mr. Worthington eloquently unveils a thoughtful and critical analysis of President Obama's speech. He addresses the points specifically and goes into detail about his own views on the issues. I happen to agree with most of what he says. What troubles me, however, are the over-zealous and mindless comments that state that Barack Obama is no different than George W. Bush or Dick Cheney.
I think there is a general consensus that if we want President Obama's policies to move to the left, then we have to pull him in that direction. He himself has admitted as much. I take offense at these ridiculous, disingenuous, self-serving, and sophomoric comments not as someone who is an ardent Obama backer, but as someone who seeks to be part of a movement that, in fact, shifts Obama's policies to the left. I take offense because those kinds of comments hurt our cause. They are as unreasonable and unfounded as the comments of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh on the right. They reduce complex issues to simple talking points. THEY DAMAGE THE CREDIBILITY OF THE LEFT.
Barack Obama is not George W. Bush. If you cannot see that, then I implore you to take a closer look at both him and yourself. Keep articles in the vein of Andy Worthington and Bill Moyers. Lose the fanatical rhetoric that is all too common on these message boards.
P.S. Whoever wrote the message about the bullet aught to be ashamed. I am disgusted by it.
Sheeeesh, this may take a while, where to start...
-If we are to be dedicated to the rule of law and the Constitution, then it is necessary to understand that the President still has to get things passed through Congress
When, exactly, 144 POLAROIDS(nice name) was torture put through congress? Was that difficult to get through? It seems that some things are easier than others. Perhaps it has something to do with what the Democrats WANT to get through?
-Not everyone in this country is ready or willing to concede that our detention policy is immoral and ineffective. If we are to persuade the rest of the public, then our discourse must be clear and reasoned.
Not everyone?, Well if prominent people, starting with Obama, would return the US to the rule of law, that would be a start. Or is the big bad chenney man forcing him to continue the torture at Bagram and Guantanamo?
Bush can sign hundreds of "executive orders" for torture and suspension of habeus corpus, but poor poor little Obama, the big bad congress won't let him revers it...booh-Hooh!
-we want President Obama's policies to move to the left, then we have to pull him in that direction.
Did you try to "pull" Bush in that direction? How did that turn out. As a social experiment, why don't you re-animate Reagan, and then try to pull him to the left.
-THEY DAMAGE THE CREDIBILITY OF THE LEFT
What a sad country, where it is only "the left" that is in favour of law and order.
-Barack Obama is not George W. Bush
This may be your strongest argument yet. Well, if all you want is a new warm body in the president's chair every few years, while the same elite minority continue with business as usual, you should be pleased with the present situation.
Sioux Rose
JLOCKE: Thank you for answering to those that would enable the darkness that is eclipsing what's left of this nation's capacity to reflect the light (of liberty, justice, and the right to the pursuit of happiness on the part of all citizens, not just the false-riches endowed).
I have never felt that being reasonable, diplomatic, and progressive were mutually exclusive things. Apparently, we disagree on that.
-I have never felt that being reasonable, diplomatic, and progressive were mutually exclusive things. Apparently, we disagree on that.
Could you be more vague? In future try to make specific criticisms. For example, let's revue some of your post, shall we?
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"fanatical rhetoric"
"Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh"
"ridiculous, disingenuous, self-serving, and sophomoric comments"
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And you are criticizing me?
Of course Obama is not George W. Bush.
Obama is only Deadeye Dick Cheney's bitch.
However, this is arguably a distinction without a difference.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Obysmal comes into power after an attempted coup d'etat by Bush/Cheney. COUP D'ETAT . . . that's what the Bush/Cheney era was about. Obysmal had only two choices: Stand up, in an unambiguous manner, for democracy, human freedom and the constitution, or continue down the path toward becoming the same kind of mercantile tyranny as China and reinvent in gentlemanly Obysmal fashion the ass stomping imperialism we have been practicing, in one form or another, since Europeans showed up on these shores. He chose the latter.
But wait ! You voted for him so keep your mouth SHUT ! LOL !! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! LOL !!
you're joking right? You would rather have voted for an old codger who sold out to Bush and a functionally illiterate airhead?
Your rhetorical style is remarkably similar to that of fellow demagogue Bill O'Reilly.
I guess you deserve credit for not writing, "My fingers are in my ears! I can't HEAR you! LA-LA-LA-LA...! Goddamn it, cut their mikes!"
· Yr Obd't Servant
So what if he voted for Obama? If he regrets it and wishes for someone better to take his place, then it is his right and ours. The rest of you rant in caps strikes me as total immature. You sound more like an 8 year old than an adult.
Obama's problem is that honey flows from his lips and venom from his pen.
Nicely put.
Of course, vote for him or not, hes' our problem now.
Naderites might not spend so much time punching Obama or do so so easily were he to support things like habeas corpus, were he to prosecute torturers and other Geneva Convention violators, were he to push against coal and nuclear power rather than for them, were he to bail out the poor rather than the rich, were he to pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, were he to back single-payer healthcare.
Gee, anything else? Probably -- unless I miss my guess, the bitterest criticisms of O'b here come from progressive Democrats. They do exist, and he does not represent them.
I do not understand how the five or seven Gitmo prisoners from Saudi Arabia were freed to return to their homeland, be given a home, job, car, and do you believe it a wife to prevent them from turning back to terrorism. Why wasn't there outrage? Now the Bush Administration insists that Gitmo Prisoners who were freed did return to terrorism. The number changes every time they report it.In the meantime Muslims picked up off our streets and were selectively prosecuted aand convicted are enduring horrendous Federal prison conditions in the U.S. I believe many of them are innocent of terrorism connections if not all of them but either the American media does not know about them or they don't care.I wish Keith or Rachel would look into it. Terre Haute, Indiana, the Communication Management Unit(CMU)