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Iraq Slaughter Not an Aberration
(Updated below - Update II - Update III - Update IV - Update V)
I was just on Democracy Now along with WikiLeaks' Julian Assange discussing the Iraq video they released yesterday, and there's one vital point I want to emphasize. Shining light on what our government and military do is so critical precisely because it forces people to see what is really being done and prevents myth and propaganda from distorting those realities. That's why the administration fights so hard to keep torture photos suppressed, why the military fought so hard here to keep this video concealed (and why they did the same with regard to the Afghan massacre), and why whistle-blowers, real journalists, and sites like WikiLeaks are the declared enemy of the government. The discussions many people are having today -- about the brutal reality of what the U.S. does when it engages in war, invasions and occupation -- is exactly the discussion which they most want to avoid.
But there's a serious danger when incidents like this Iraq slaughter are exposed in a piecemeal and unusual fashion: namely, the tendency to talk about it as though it is an aberration. It isn't. It's the opposite: it's par for the course, standard operating procedure, what we do in wars, invasions, and occupation. The only thing that's rare about the Apache helicopter killings is that we know about it and are seeing what happened on video. And we're seeing it on video not because it's rare, but because it just so happened (a) to result in the deaths of two Reuters employees, and thus received more attention than the thousands of other similar incidents where nameless Iraqi civilians are killed, and (b) to end up in the hands of WikiLeaks, which then published it. But what is shown is completely common. That includes not only the initial killing of a group of men, the vast majority of whom are clearly unarmed, but also the plainly unjustified killing of a group of unarmed men (with their children) carrying away an unarmed, seriously wounded man to safety -- as though there's something nefarious about human beings in an urban area trying to take an unarmed, wounded photographer to a hospital.
A major reason there are hundreds of thousands of dead innocent civilians in Iraq, and thousands more in Afghanistan, is because this is what we do. This is why so many of those civilians are dead. What one sees on that video is how we conduct our wars. That's why it's repulsive to watch people -- including some "liberals" -- attack WikiLeaks for slandering The Troops, or complain that objections to these actions unfairly disparage the military because "our guys are the good guys" and they act differently "99.99999999% of the time." That is blatantly false. Just as was true of the deceitful attempt to depict the Abu Ghraib abusers as rogue "bad apples" once their conduct was exposed with photographs (when the reality was they were acting in complete consistency with authorized government policy), the claim that what was shown on that video is some sort of outrageous departure from U.S. policy is demonstrably false. In a perverse way, the typical morally depraved neocons who are justifying these killings are actually being more honest than those trying to pretend this is some sort of rare and unusual event: those who support having the U.S. invade and wage war on other countries are endorsing precisely this behavior.
As the video demonstrates, the soldiers in the Apache did not take a single step -- including killing those unarmed men who tried to rescue the wounded -- without first receiving formal permission from their superiors. Beyond that, the Pentagon yesterday -- once the video was released -- suddenly embraced the wisdom of transparency by posting online the reports of the so-called "investigations" it undertook into this incident (as a result of pressure from Reuters). Those formal investigations not only found that every action taken by those soldiers was completely justified -- including the firing on the unarmed civilian rescuers -- but also found that there's no need for any remedial steps to be taken to prevent future re-occurence. What we see on that video is what the U.S. does on a constant and regular basis in these countries, and it's what we've been doing for years. It's obviously consistent with our policies and practices for how we fight in these countries, which is exactly what those investigative reports concluded.
The WikiLeaks video is not an indictment of the individual soldiers involved -- at least not primarily. Of course those who aren't accustomed to such sentiments are shocked by the callous and sadistic satisfaction those soldiers seem to take in slaughtering those whom they perceive as The Enemy (even when unarmed and crawling on the ground with mortal wounds), but this is what they're taught and trained and told to do. If you take even well-intentioned, young soldiers and stick them in the middle of a dangerous war zone for years and train them to think and act this way, this will inevitably be the result. The video is an indictment of the U.S. government and the war policies it pursues.
All of this is usually kept from us. Unlike those in the Muslim world, who are shown these realities quite frequently by their free press, we don't usually see what is done by us. We stay blissfully insulated from it, so that in those rare instances when we're graphically exposed to it, we can tell ourselves that it's all very unusual and rare. That's how we collectively dismissed the Abu Ghraib photos, and it's why the Obama administration took such extraordinary steps to suppress all the rest of the torture photos: because further disclosure would have revealed that behavior to be standard and common, not at all unusual or extraordinary.
Precisely the same dynamic applies to the Pentagon's admission yesterday that its original claims about the brutal February killing of five civilians in Eastern Afghanistan were totally false. What happened there -- the slaughter of unthreatening civilians, official lies told about the incident, the dissemination of those lies by an uncritical U.S. media -- is what happens constantly (the same deceitful cover-up behavior took place with the Iraq video). The lies about the Afghan killings were exposed in this instance not because they're rare, but because one very intrepid, relentless reporter happened to be able to travel to the remote province and speak to witnesses and investigate the event, forcing the Pentagon to acknowledge the truth.
The value of the Wikileaks/Iraq video and the Afghanistan revelation is not that they exposed unusually horrific events. The value is in realizing that these event are anything but unusual.
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Here's the Democracy Now segment I did this morning with Assange. The bulk of the discussion, appropriately, is devoted to hearing from him about the videotape, and it's very worth watching; my participation begins at roughly 35:30 (the transcript is here):
UPDATE: The Atlantic's James Fallows:
I can't pretend to know the full truth or circumstances of this. But at face value it is the most damaging documentation of abuse since the Abu Ghraib prison-torture photos. As you watch, imagine the reaction in the US if the people on the ground had been Americans and the people on the machine guns had been Iraqi, Russian, Chinese, or any other nationality. As with Abu Ghraib, and again assuming this is what it seems to be, the temptation will be to blame the operations-level people who were, in this case, chuckling as they mowed people down. That's not where the real responsibility lies.
Precisely. In less than 24 hours since the video was first posted online, 1.3 million people have viewed it just on YouTube alone; millions more have undoubtedly viewed it on various television outlets and other venues.
And, of course, imagining what Fallows asks us to imagine -- that this was all being done to us, rather than by us -- is exactly the exercise which is most steadfastly avoided. Besides, even if it were to be engaged, it would be dismissed as an exercise in "moral relativism." When we do X, it is right; when others do X to us, it is wrong. That's the benefit of being so Exceptional.
UPDATE II: Here's a one-and-a-half minute video update on the two children who were severely wounded when the Apache helicopter fired on the rescue van. It was their father who was killed when he was attempting to rescue the wounded photographer from the initial attack:
And here is the angry statement of Nabil Nour El Deen, the brother of the 22-year-old Reuters photographer killed in the shooting, after he viewed the video. Imagine how frequently we create this type of fury in the people we are "liberating":
UPDATE III: The Washington Post's David Finkel covered the "surge " in Iraq when this incident occurred, and also wrote a book that, among other things, examined this Apache attack. In his online chat today, he was asked whether he agreed with the point I made here, and said: "Well, I don't want to agree or disagree with Glenn Greenwald, but I think it's fair to say that there have been many many bad days for Iraqis and Americans, and this was one of them." He was then asked whether this was a common or exceptional occurrence, and he replied: "The answer is both. . . . This was an extreme version of what went on constantly during this period. It was one bad day in a surge that was filled with such days."
Indeed, all anyone has to do is look at the enormous death toll of Iraqi civilians to know that events like this were anything but rare.
UPDATE IV: An active duty U.S. soldier currently deployed in Southeastern Baghdad, where this incident occurred, writes a very thoughtful and nuanced analysis of this matter to Andrew Sullivan, and says:
90% of what occurs in that video has been commonplace in Iraq for the last 7 years, and the 10% that differs is entirely based on the fact that two of the gentlemen killed were journalists.
War is a disgusting, horrible thing. As cliche as that excuse has become, for people to look at the natural heartbreaking nature of it and say that they're somehow anomalous just shows how far people who have not experienced war have to go to understanding it.
Precisely. This incident is commonplace, not unusual, because it's what war is and it's what has been happening in our wars throughout the decade. We just don't usually see it, and this time we did. That -- and the fact that Reuters journalists were killed and it thus generated more pressure than normal -- are the only things that make it unusual.
UPDATE V: John Cole has some important insights into how we deceive ourselves into believing that events like this are rare. As he notes, that is one major factor accounting for the huge gap in perception between Americans and the Muslim world: they know such incidents are anything but rare, because they live in the midst of them. Of course, the American media plays a vital role in maintaining our collective delusion, as nicely illustrated by this.
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Show AllI had to scroll down a bit on cnn's website to find the relevant video, misnamed "Video Shows Journalists' Deaths" as if they had somehow died inadvertently, perhaps with a high fever or struck by lightning, rather than murdered by the US Army.
I live outside the country and my local news showed the whole thing. I'd like someone, inside the USA, to post if they saw it on their evening news. I just don't know.
CBS news aired some of the video, but the anchor, Bob Orr, said at the end of the piece,
"But a journalist who was in the general same area that day says it's important to remember it was a hectic, violent, uneasy day."
As if that was an unusual day.
CNN had this as a top headline on their website for about 10 minutes at approximately 10:15pm last night... then they quickly bumped it down the page.
They cut the story down to 3:14 minutes of Pentagon correspondent commentary and probably only 20 seconds of actual video... they describe the event as the killing of only a "journalist and his driver", and that the pilots had no reason to believe there were "journalists on the ground amongst insurgents" which is a blatant lie. They go on to quote the army investigation as stating that "no one was found to be at fault". They only show the footage of the pilots asking for permission to fire, and permission being granted. Then they summarize by saying how messy war is and how many journalists have been killed by "hostile action" (implying that most are killed by mean angry insurgents).
No blood bath is shown. No shooting. No wounded laying on the ground. And certainly no discussion of the following war crime of shooting the wounded as they are being rescued. No children being carried away all shot up either. Truth spinned, rinsed and hung out to dry by your Corporate Media Military Complex.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/04/05/iraq.photographers.killed/index.html?hpt=T2
If I had a magic wand I would have Glenn Greenwald be a Media Czar and put him in control of the American Media. As most of the progressives on this thread know, the whores called the MSM have never seen a war they did not like! These sycophantic, cheerleading, prostitutes for the war profiteers and the Pentagon have had it their way for much too long! " The value of the Wikileaks/ Iraq video and the Afghanistan revelation is not that they exposed unusually horrific leaks the value is in realizing these events are anything but unusual". When will the sheeple wake up and realize the extraordinary evil of what is being done in their name.
when will the sheeple wake up?.........
probably not until the food/water runs out.................
This deeply disturbing footage will anger and sadden many, but far too few. Most are desensitized, or bored, or will make apologies for the Empire. When I showed this video to what I thought was a relatively sensitive 21 year old yesterday, his first reaction was not anger, or shock, or sadness. His first response was, "why would you be that stupid and carry a big camera like that to a war zone?"
The atrocities like this that leak out have a short life in some media outlets but eventually get glossed over and ignored. Congress will attempt to investigate in order to placate some, but it won't be a serious investigation, just a white wash. And far too many will do absolutely nothing.
"Why would you be that stupid and carry a big camera like that to a war zone?"
This is the same reaction that younger poeple have when they are shown videos of police brutality such as indiscriminate tazings or the like. They always blame the victim, maybe make even make a "Darwin award" joke.
They show a deep seated, reflexive deference to anything that resembles "authority" that is deeply disturbing.
That is, as long as the "authority" isn't using their taxes on education, parks, public transit, the environment, and aid to the poor. Then, suddenly their contempt of "authority" is quick and sharp!
Yes! I saw so many comments like that when news of this video came up in my Yahoo feed. The other stupid comment was "why would you use an unmarked ambulance?" as if the vehicle involved in trying to rescue the reporter was an ambulance and not just a van.
It is beyond my ability to fathom why people can always question what the victim has done or has not done, but can't seem to make the leap to question, "why are we there?"
Very good interview with the wikileaks guy on Al Jazeera, you can see it on youtube.
Yesterday, my net-friend "Veritas" was saying I was going over the top, when I said that American soldiers were using brute force, and were mass murderers. I'd ask anyone who disagrees with me to watch this helicopter video.
You can't defend Obama and Bush by saying that the US does good things most of the time and that focusing on this is "anti-americanism". I don't think that going to the moon, inventing non-stick pans, and going to church on Sunday, all worthwile endeavors, means that you get a pass when you commit systematic slaughter.
JLocke123
No, despite what you were led to believe, you were not over the top in your declaration concerning the latest atrocity by the U.S. military. In a just world U.S. officials, along with military personnel, both enlisted and officers, would be standing in the dock to answer chargers of war crimes and crimes against humanity. But as others have accurately noted, since the mainstream media have devoted little if any attention to this matter then, as the British playwright Harold Pinter observed at his Nobel Prize Lecture in December 2005:
"It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening, it wasn't happening. It didn't matter. It was of no interest."
But for so many Americans, if they do not see this on their television sets, then, as Pinter points out, it did not happen. Out of sight, out of mind. Again, in a just world, the bastards who were responsible for all this, i.e. U.S. elected officials, the U.S. military, and anyone else, should be given a choice. After they are given a fair trial and are convicted, they can then be asked if they wish to executed by firing squad or by hanging. They could be allowed to have that choice as long as the Afghan and Iraqi people deserve, after what they have been through, to see justice finally being done.
And by extension of the criminal responsibility, every American.
Don't blame the soldier if you are not able to take the punishment, too. This is policy of the land.
DCH
I am not quite sure what your point may be. Are you attempting to somehow equate the behavior of Americans today to the Good Germans of the 1930s? During that time period many if not most Germans tacitly pretended not to see what the Nazis were doing. But today there are many in this country, including on this site, who are willing to speak out against the criminal actions of the U.S. governments. That being the case, I would not say, as you appear to be doing, that every American is therefore somehow responsible for what is going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. That type of thinking strikes me as being totally illogical.
We are the Good Americans today. We watch horror films of what our beloved troops are doing. We blog about how unhappy we are to see such evil and to hear the killers laugh at their actions. These troops have done nothing wrong according to the brass. The men asked to be given permission to do more killing---and they get a big 'roger' for that. Kill, kill, enjoy yourselves! And then to kill the good people who came to try and take the wounded to the hospital (if we haven't bombed that to rubble) this is pure evil---fitting actions for the evil empire.
And here at home we watch and say tsk tsk---and that's all. We are not telling our Congressional Representatives that this illegal war must stop. We don't do anything but vote for the corrupt bastards that call each other "honorable collegue". There is no honor in Washington D.C. and damn little anywhere else in our nation. I am not proud to be an American.
No, I believe you are quite wrong. The trials at Nuremberg happened for a reason. The German people did not want to see those trials as did many Americans; they simply wanted to 'look forward and not back' (as Obama has said today); and by proxy the German people were put on trial also. And finally, many of the pictures and videos were shown; the atrocities became known. The German people were guilty, yes and made to suffer, but they were not actually convicted of crimes - and that was correct.
But, my point is this: the German soldiers who carried out the orders and those who gave them were found guilty and rightfully so. The same should occur in the US; but since we are the 'victors'; I'm afraid it never will.
So, no you are not correct. Do not white-wash this whole thing by claiming that we must put the whole nation on trial if we put anyone on trial. That was not true at Nuremburg and it is not true today.
As I posted earlier, You are correct and I was wrong.
My position is cannot be supported with law, ethics or morality. This is a crime of murder, pure and simple.
I slept on this last night, and realized that I am completely wrong in defending these murders.
"I don't think that ... inventing non-stick pans,"
Nice try but that was a French invention.
"In 1954 a French engineer, Marc Gregoire, invented a way to allow Teflon to adhere to aluminum. In 1955 after receiving a patent for his invention, Marc and his wife, Colette, began making and selling nonstick cookware out of their kitchen. This was so successful that in 1956 The TEFAL (formed by taking the TEF from Teflon and the AL from Aluminum) Company was started. By the end of the year TEFAL was making and selling 100 pans a day in France."
Hey Prof,
Thanks for pointing out the French obsession with cooking. Recently I learned that Teflon was used in the Manhattan Project well before its use as a culinary slickening agent came about.
You see, that's the difference between the Frenchies and us Amerikanskis. We were cooking up a bomb with the stuff before the French could even get out of bed to cook an omelette.
God Bless America, where Creative Destruction is our only goal!
I believe you are accurate. These are war crimes. 1.2 million innocent Iraqi's murdered. How was it done? 1 day at a time. I often disagree with 'Veritas'.
We have to come together and focus in order to stop this inhumanity. We just have to.
This is big stuff.... I am not religious but Thank God for our foreign Journalists and Amy.
This is bigger than the pentagon papers and mi lai and might even get a mention between hours of coverage of the miraculous Golfer's comeback.
The war in Iraq is not over.....
War Economy is the price of the dollar and the secret is kept.... Shhh don't say it.... whisper it: "war economy"
just Keep it low, Folks
I doubt it. I imagine you can only find it on the net.
I did not see it on the evening news and I live in New York State. I did hear about civilians in Iraq being killed and I know I should watch the video but I have been disgusted by the horrendous U.S. demonizing of the Iraqi people for years. For many years I lay awake with the images of the children of Iraq withering and crying in pain from long, slow deaths due to U.S. policy against Iraq. Every time I wrote a letter to the editor complaining about our aggression against the Iraqi people, Saddam Hussein was blamed for our evil acts which caused the suffering of the people of Iraq. I used to wonder who will the U.S. blame when Saddam is dead? It seems the U.S. either hides the truth of U.S. atrocities or blames them on a few bad apples. The wars against Iraq were not all America's doing. The U.K. and U.N. had their dirty hands in the pot of Iraq's oil and they must accept some responsibility also especially for about 13 years of the economic sanctions.
Greenwald is right until he falls back on the soft stomach attitude that the soldiers are somehow not responsible for their actions - that somehow the training by their paymasters absolves them of murder... when in fact the entire organization (read: Murder Incorporated) is guilty of murder.
GREENWALD: "The WikiLeaks video is not an indictment of the individual soldiers involved..."
Firing on a van that appears to be on a mercy mission certainly qualifies as a crime. I don't know what about two people carrying a wounded man to their van appears to be 'terrorist activity'. And I don't care that they got approval: they were obviously itching to 'blow stuff up', even if children happened to be in the stuff. With all due respect to the 'warrior code', I think these soldiers should be prosecuted.
Yes, but not alone, their commander giving approval of this and the entire chain of command that has alowed such lax rules of engagement to be missused and then the entire command system that lied after the facts, all have to be indicted.
As has repeatedly been pointed out we see this video but this was just another day at the office for this whole system, how many hundreds or thousands of these killings have we not seen.
And what is most telling is that this confirms beyond any doubt that these killers are not soldiers they are simply murderers enjoying the kill and they and their commanders openly and reputedly lie to protect themselves and continue to murder. The lying and the whitewashing is the norm.
Why are Americans proud of their military? These military personnel seem, in this clip and others I have seen, to be scared little racist thugs living in a mutually supportive war video arcade game for real. That they have a bond to their comrades is not much different from the brotherhood of any street gang that provides mutual support in crime. They know they are not fighting to defend their country. So what is it all about?
Then they come home racked with guilt and they call it PTSD. These guys signed up of their own free volition and were turned into f__king murderers for the Pentagon and America Inc. May they rot in hell. What is all this flags and ribbons sh__? It is nationalist propaganda bull. You might as well put out a swastika on your front lawn and be done with it for all it represents to me.
Between the people heard in this video responsible for these murders, the special services ones digging their bullets out of two pregnant mothers in Afghanistan, and Harold Koh defending state sponsored murder yesterday it worries me when, if ever, the American people will find the bottom?
The bottom may be plumbed when we're firing on ourselves (to protect freedom and the American way, as always). This deeply factioned country is certainly heading in that direction.
"Firing on a van that appears to be on a mercy mission certainly qualifies as a crime. I don't know what about two people carrying a wounded man to their van appears to be 'terrorist activity'."
Definitely the most disgusting aspect of the whole episode. You have to remember that these soldiers are conditioned by military propaganda to regard all Iragis as some kind of vermin. The chain of command, military cohesion and sophisticated propaganda constitute a powerful belief system in which these soldiers operate.
The Nuremberg principles make clear that "The WikiLeaks video IS an indictment of the individual soldiers involved":
Principle 1: "Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment."
The actions of the men in the street before the shooting began MAY have been ambiguous (with the most pro-military viewing), but the murder of those rescuing the wounded man is a war crime. PERIOD.
Ambiguous how? And why should anyone suggest viewing the carnage with a "pro-military" POV? They're an occupying force in a foreign and sovereign state. People walk the street. Screw the US Military's view of anything except getting the fck out.
I hate to say it, but I kind of agree. Some of the men in the initial group were armed. If you're hanging around with armed insurgents in a warzone, with US helicopters hovering overhead, you're putting yourself in immense danger. Regardless of the high level illegal war argument (which I support), those US soldiers have a job to do; kill enemy insurgents. When they see armed men congregating in a warzone, it's their job to eliminate them. Have we found out what the Reuters journalists were doing at the time? Working on a story on a specific group of freedom fighters/insurgents? I'm not blaming these journalists, but why did they not have the sense to avoid congregating with an armed group outside with US choppers hovering overhead?
The van is another story. This is a warcrime as there were no discernible weapons on the injured/prone man (who turned out to be a Reuters employee), nor were there any weapons on the rescuers or their vehicle. I really hope the people in the van were simply passersby stopping to aid the wounded, and not affiliated with the armed men because there would be absolutely no excuse to bring children with them.
Adhoc
I strenuously disagree. If the soldiers in today's military had anything approaching a conscience and a sense of ethics, then they would realize that the job that they have to do is to say NO to American imperialism by no longer being part of the war machine. Desert. Lay down their arms. Go to jail for their beliefs because they would recognize [or at least they should recognize] that what they are doing is illegal and immoral. The GI movement played a big part in helping to bring an end to the Vietnam War [see the documentary Sir! No Sir! and David Cortright's classic work Soldiers In Revolt: GI Resistance During the Vietnam War as proof of this assertion]. If enough of the robots [i.e. soldiers] finally wake up to what they are doing, then they too can help to bring about an end to the U.S. occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.
A few soldiers are outright sadists. The gunner in this video seems to be one of those. But most are just going along, following orders, trying to stay alive. Doing those things sometimes puts them in a position to commit war crimes. Cindy Sheehan said that the range of choices for an occupation soldier runs from "war criminal" to "victim." The only way to be a hero (or maintain human decency and sanity) is to refuse orders or desert.
I agree. I'm not with those who decry all soldiers as murderers. War is a hellhole that we on the outside can't even imagine.
What gets me the most is how ignorant and callous many Americans are when it comes to what we do in the name of "peacekeeping." War is wholesale murder and why we Americans keep condoning it says every bit as much about us as it does about those who pull the trigger. Every bit.
There are no innocents in any of this but we can reclaim some humanity by speaking out against war, where this kind of thing happens on a regular basis.
Armed? That is not supported by the video evidence. Like the plane that went into the Pentagon, I'm not seeing it.
You seem to have a job to do? Doing 'adhoc' PR for the military industrial war machine. Go post on Alternet.
Some of the men are armed (min 3:40 - min 3:50). While this changes very little about the overall crime that was committed, to deny any truth of what occured would make us as bad as them.
From the video, it seems as though the initial group of men were aware of the helicopter circling over their heads, but felt no danger from it. Am I correct in viewing it this way? At the rate the helicopter is circling, given the speed of a circling helicopter, it could not have been that far away. It circles a couple times before firing, and the men don't seem alarmed. It is also angled toward the men such that they could easily have spotted it. And, at one point, one of them seems to looking directly at it.
It seems to me that 'armed insurgents', if they were aware of a US helicopter circling overhead, would be firing at it, and taking defensive positions. Instead, this group politely comes together so that they can all be taken out by a single gun-burst.
Maybe these people were unaware of the helicopter; but it doesn't look that way from the video.
The helicopter was quite a distance away, perhaps a mile, judging by the delay between the firing of the 30mm cannon and the impact of the rounds on the ground.
There is another comment on this thread which gives some info about the range, etc.
I disagree. I watched the video and did not see any weapons. I saw two people carrying cameras, not weapons. These individuals were journalists, not 'insurgents'. That word, 'insurgents' is a wonderful scapegoat for the military to use to justify shooting innocent civilians. The entire country is occupied by suspect insurgents which then gives them cover to shoot every person with impunity.
Blaming the victims plays right into U.S. policy to keep these wars going forever. How dare Iraqis walk the streets of their cities? Congregating? Kill them!
Clearly they were not armed or shooting. And remember we are seeing a highly highly compressed video. The live video that the pilots see is crystal clear.
"The live video that the pilots see is crystal clear..."
They are looking at a video of the target, not directly with their own eyes, with or without a scope?
They could look outside the cockpit with their own eyes... but generally they are using the gun camera to see as is recorded here... with powerful zoom capabilities. My comment was speaking about the graininess of the this particular internet video, which has been compressed, recorded, encrypted, de-crypted, probably re-compressed and is essentially many generations away from the original. The pilots on the other hand have the best hi resolution monitors American money can buy directly in front of them. The police use the same equipment and claim to be able to spot foot prints over a wet lawn fyi.
Don't forget, this incident took place in Iraq in 2007 - after five years of US military occupation had supposedly overthrown the evil Baathist tyranny and put the purple fingered Iraqis well on the path to democracy, training wheels and all.
In the video, some civilian men were walking in the streets, one or two carrying cameras, one or two carrying what might be AK-47's or an RPG device. The death squads, sectarian militia clashes, and ethnic cleansing were going full tilt boogie. Hell yes they were in a war zone. All of Iraq was, and still is, a war zone.
The Apache helicopters were the advance eyes of an approaching US infantry force with Bradley armored vehicles. Permission to fire was sought and given, applying the existing rules of engagement for occupied Iraq. Nobody on the ground fired, nor aimed any weapon, nor made any hostile gestures that I could see, towards the helicopters. This group of strolling men were targeted and massacred in broad daylight by hi tech gunships - technology developed for use against rival mechanized armed forces - simply because it appeared weapons were seen being carried by civilians in an urban war zone while a vicious, chaotic factional civil war was underway.
After the initial machine gun salvo, a couple of the wounded men were closely scrutinized as they writhed and crawled about, attention apparently again fixated upon whether maybe the survivors were reaching for weapons. A van pulls up. One of the wounded men is being carried to the vehicle to be evacuated. Permission to fire is again requested, and again permission is granted. The wounded man, the would be rescuers, the van, and all its occupants are instantly riddled with bullets made in USA.
If, as the US military has apparently concluded, all this was done by the book and in compliance with the official rules of engagement, then the rules of engagement are causing war crimes.
Bill from Saginaw
Well said, Bill.
After viewing this several times, I saw no hostile actions by any of these men.
"If, as the US military has apparently concluded, all this was done by the book and in compliance with the official rules of engagement, then the rules of engagement are causing war crimes. "
And making us so many friends.
I believe that shooting children qualifies also as a war crime. The children were clearly visible in the van before the van was fired upon. This was murder and attempted murder.
PLease keep in mind that the USA and associates murdered 445,000 Iraq children under age five prior to the massive invasions by targeting their drinking water during the decade of sanctions.
We think it was worth it.
-- Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Bill Clinton
It's not an aberration, but it is an abomination.
I think Glenn is right to argue that the soldiers themselves shouldn't be held totally responsible for following their _unlawful_ orders. They should be charged for shooting up those who were trying to rescue the wounded. Their superiors should be charged with allowing this sort of crap, but if they're charged at all it would be for allowing that video to be obtained by wikileaks. The Presidents and their staff who've started these wars and continued them are the ones who should be in the dock first. But if you're not going to hang bush, why would you bother to hang the grunts?
Things like this video make me wish that I believed in Hell, as the ones responsible for these atrocities will never be held accountable for their actions in this lifetime.
"It's not an aberration, but it is an abomination."
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Worth repeating. Your comment is, if I may say so, dead-on. Thanks.
In general, I just can't take the position that it's wrong to criticize troops, because grunts and underlings are as much victims of our military-industrial monster as the collateral damage they cause.
I know that some hold this view quite strongly, and insist that it's wrong to consider the soldiers criminal or monstrous.
I pretty much accept the concepts laid out in "Universal Soldier", which is echoed in the tort law concept of "joint and several liability". I couldn't agree more that the soldiers are victims TOO, and that the REAL evil, criminal, monsters are the overworlders pulling the strings. His orders come from here and you and me, so it's wrong to turn him into a scapegoat.
But the problem I have with holding individual soldiers blameless is that it reduces them to the level of passive automatons or instruments with no conscience or free will. It's much like Shelley's "Frankenstein", in which the destructive, rampaging monster is actually a desperate and doomed malignant creation of intellectual hubris.
IMO, it's not an either/or proposition.