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My Road Trip With a Solar Rock Star
Or Notes on the White House Enthusiasm Gap
I got to see the now-famous enthusiasm gap up close and personal last week, and it wasn’t a pretty sight.
The backstory: I help run a global warming campaign called 350.org. In mid-summer, we decided to organize an effort to ask world leaders to put solar panels on the roofs of their residences. It was to be part of the lead-up to a gigantic Global Work Party on October 10th (10-10-10), and a way to give prime ministers and politburos something easy to do in the hope of getting the fight against global warming slowly back on track. One of those crucial leaders is, of course, Barack Obama, who stood by with his arms folded this summer while the Senate punted on climate-change legislation. We thought this might be a good way for him to signal that he was still committed to change, even though he hadn’t managed to pass new laws.
And so we tracked down the solar panels that once had graced the White House roof, way back in the 1970s under Jimmy Carter. After Ronald Reagan took them down, they’d spent the last few decades on the cafeteria roof at Unity College in rural Maine. That college’s president, Mitch Thomashow, immediately offered us a panel to take back to the White House. Better still, he encouraged three of his students to accompany the panel, not to mention allowing the college’s sustainability coordinators to help manage the trip.
And so, on the day after Labor Day, we set off in a biodiesel college van. Solar road trip! Guitars, iPods, excellent snack food, and for company, the rock star of solar panels, all 6 x 3-feet and 140 pounds of her. We pulled into Boston that first night for a rally at Old South Church, where a raucous crowd lined up for the chance to sign the front of the panel, which quickly turned into a giant glass petition. The same thing the next night in New York, and then DC, with an evening at one of the city’s oldest churches headlined by the Reverend Lennox Yearwood, head of the Hip-Hop Caucus.
It couldn’t have been more fun. Wherever we could, we’d fire up the panel, pour a gallon of water in the top, point it toward the sun, and eight or nine minutes later you’d have steaming hot water coming out the bottom. Thirty-one years old and it worked like a charm -- a vexing reminder that we’ve known how to do this stuff for decades. We just haven’t done it.
That’s what we kept telling reporters as they turned out along the route: if the Obamas will put solar panels back on the White House roof, or on the lawn, or anywhere else where people can see them, it will help get the message across -- the same way that seed sales climbed 30% across the country in the year after Michelle planted her garden.
There was just one nagging concern as we headed south. We still hadn’t heard anything conclusive from the White House. We’d asked them -- for two months -- if they’d accept the old panel as a historical relic returned home, and if they’d commit to installing new ones soon. We’d even found a company, Sungevity, that was eager to provide them free. Indeed, as word of our trip spread, other solar companies kept making the same offer. Still, the White House never really responded, not until Thursday evening around six p.m. when they suddenly agreed to a meeting at nine the next morning.
As you might imagine, we were waiting at the “Southwest Appointment Gate” at 8:45, and eventually someone from the Office of Public Engagement emerged to escort us inside the Executive Office Building. He seated us in what he called “the War Room,” an ornate and massive chamber with a polished table in the middle.
Every window blind was closed. It was a mahogany cave in which we could just make out two environmental bureaucrats sitting at the far end of the table. I won’t mention their names, on the theory that what followed wasn’t really their idea, but orders they were following from someone else. Because what followed was… uncool.
First,
they spent a lot of time bragging about all the things the federal
government had accomplished environmentally, with special emphasis on
the great work they were doing on other federal buildings. One of them
returned on several occasions to the topic of a government building in
downtown Portland, Oregon, that would soon be fitted with a “green
curtain,” by which I think she meant the “extensive vertical garden”
on the 18-story Edith Green-Wendell Wyatt Federal Building with its
massive “vegetated fins,” the single largest use of stimulus money in
the entire state.
And actually, it’s kind of great. Still, I doubt many people are going to build their own vegetated fins, and anyway I was beginning to despair that nothing could stop the flow of self-praise until one of the three seniors from Unity raised her hand and politely interrupted.
Now, let me say that I already knew Jean Altomare, Amanda Nelson, and Jamie Nemecek were special, but my guess is the bureaucrats hadn’t figured that out. Unity is out in the woods, and these kids were majoring in things like wildlife conservation. They’d never had an encounter like this. It stood to reason that they’d be cowed. But they weren’t.
One after another, respectfully but firmly, they asked a series of tough questions, and refused to be filibustered by yet another stream of administration-enhancing data. Here’s what they wanted to know: if the administration was serious about spreading the word on renewable energy, why wouldn’t it do the obvious thing and put solar panels on the White House? When the administrators proudly proffered a clipping from some interior page of the Washington Post about their “greening the government initiative,” Amanda calmly pointed out that none of her neighbors read the Post, and that, by contrast, the solar panels had made it onto David Letterman.
To their queries, the bureaucrats refused to provide any answer. At all. One kept smiling in an odd way and saying, “If reporters call and ask us, we will provide our rationale,” but whatever it was, they wouldn’t provide it to us.
It was all a little odd, to say the least. They refused to accept the Carter panel as a historic relic, or even to pose for a picture with the students and the petition they’d brought with them. Asked to do something easy and symbolic to rekindle a little of the joy that had turned out so many of us as volunteers for Obama in 2008, they point blank said no. In a less than overwhelming gesture, they did, however, pass out Xeroxed copies of a 2009 memorandum from Vice President Biden about federal energy policy.
I can tell you exactly what it felt like, because those three students were brave and walked out graciously, heads high, and kept their tears back until we got to the sidewalk. And then they didn’t keep them back, because it’s a tough thing to learn for the first time how politics can work.
If you want to know about the much-discussed enthusiasm gap between Democratic and Republican bases, in other words, this was it in action. As Jean Altomare told the New York Times, “We went in without any doubt about the importance of this. They handed us a pamphlet.” And Amanda Nelson added, “I didn’t expect I’d get to shake President Obama’s hand, but it was really shocking to me to find out that they really didn’t seem to care.”
Did I say I was impressed with these young women? I was more than impressed. Nobody I went to Harvard with would have handled it as powerfully as they did (maybe because they weren’t looking for a job in the White House someday). A few hot tears were the right response, followed by getting on with the work.
Our next question, out there on the sidewalk, was how to handle the situation -- which, indeed, we had to do right away, because in today’s blog-speed world, you’re supposed to Put Out a Statement to reporters, not to mention Tweet. So how to play it?
The normal way is to claim some kind of victory: we could have said we had an excellent exchange of views, and that the administration had taken seriously our plea. But that would have been lying, and at 350.org, we long ago decided not to do that. The whole premise of our operation, beginning with the number at its core, is that we had better always tell the truth about our actual predicament.
Alternatively, we could have rounded on the administration, and taken our best shot. In fact, it would have been easy enough right then and there for me to chain myself to the White House fence with the panel next to me. It would have gotten some serious press (though not as much as if I’d burned a Koran). And in fact, some of our supporters were counseling that I head for the fence immediately.
We got an email, for instance, from a veteran campaigner I deeply respect who said: “Show Obama you can't be taken for granted, and I predict you will be amazed at the good things that come your way. This is a watershed moment: if they think they can get away with this with you, they'll judge they can get away with more in the future. If you show them they can't get away with it (at the very least without embarrassment), they will come your way more in the future. It's power politics, pure and simple. This is how the game is played. Get their respect!”
And I think he was probably right. As he pointed out, Obama was even then on the phone with the mustachioed Florida geezer, the stack of Korans, and the following of 50 or less. But I couldn’t do it, not then and there. Because… well, because at some level I’m a political wuss.
I couldn’t stand to make that enthusiasm gap any wider, not seven weeks before an election. True, it’s the moment when you have some leverage, but no less true: the other side was running candidate after candidate who literally couldn’t wait to boast about how they didn’t believe in climate change. (Check out R.L. Miller’s highly useful list of ‘climate zombies.’) That’s why we’re deeply engaged in fights this fall like the battle to defeat California’s Prop 23 and save the state’s landmark climate law. As a group we can’t endorse candidates, but I came home and spent part of the weekend mailing small checks to Senate candidates I admire, men like Paul Hodes from New Hampshire, who have fought hard for serious climate legislation.
And a confession. We’d walked past Obama’s official portrait on the way out and, despite the meeting we’d just had, I couldn’t help but smile at the thought that he was president. I could remember my own enthusiasm from two years ago that had me knocking on doors across New Hampshire. I admired his character and his smarts, and if I admire them a little less now, the residue’s still there.
And so I couldn’t help thinking -- part of me at least -- like this: the White House political team has decided that if they put solar panels up on the roof, Fox News will use that as one more line of attack; that they somehow believe the association with Jimmy Carter is the electoral equivalent of cooties; and that, in the junior high school lunchroom that now comprises our political life, they didn’t want to catch any.
If that’s their thinking, I doubt they’re on the mark. As far as I can tell, the right has a far better understanding of the power of symbols. Witness the furor they’ve kicked up over “the Mosque at Ground Zero.” My feeling is: we should use the symbols we’ve got, and few are better than a solar panel. Still, with the current craziness in mind, I was willing to give them a pass. So we just put out a press release saying that we’d failed in our mission and walked away.
At least for now, but not forever, and really not for much longer.
On October 10th, we’re having our great global work party, and ever since Obama stiffed us, registrations for its events have been soaring. Last week, with the heads of Greenpeace and Rainforest Action Network, I issued a call for ideas about how to mount a campaign of civil disobedience around climate. Not a series of stunts, but a real campaign. At coal plants, and drilling sites -- and at the places where our politicians do their work.
Actually, I’ll be surprised if the White House doesn’t put up solar panels within a year. But even if they do, that would just be the barest of beginnings. We’ve run out of spare decades to deal with climate change -- the summer’s events in the Arctic, in Russia, in Pakistan proved that with great clarity. I may be a wuss, but I’m also scientifically literate. We know what we need to do, and we will do it. Enthusiastically.
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Show AllWashington, D.C. runs on the tears of broken hearts and Barack Obama is one of the biggest heartbreakers. He has failed the "leadership" task and has proven himself to be just another in a long line of technocrats.
So...what are we going to do about it?
Contact your electeds and tell them to quit wasting your money on vegetated fins.
You don't want to know how much that building in Portland cost.
"So...what are we going to do about it?"
For my part, I will continue to try convince others to think outside the system so that elections might actually count. I sincerely wish others outside of CD would join instead of pretend that everything's ok and that they'll be flying like Peter Pan. People in this country just don't get it that they're conditioned into accepting poor quality everything and even amongst those not conditioned, some of them still propose cookie cutter solutions as if the US will be like Poland let alone Germany or Sweden. It is not that we cannot do it just because they can. The difference is those countries actually take the issues and obstacles into consideration before implementing their plans and solutions while the USA goes "faith based" and individualist at its worst thereby guaranteeing failure sooner than later. But this is a nation that does "shoot first and ask questions later" on everything which can be tough even for thoughtful planners to overcome so I cannot be too surprised.
"People in this country just don't get it that they're conditioned into accepting poor quality everything..."
You are probably right, but I wonder (not too hard) how many of us GIVE poor quality everything. For example, how many of us use work time and equipment to write on blogs instead of working while we're on the clock?
It starts with each of us. Not fault or blame, but responsibility to give what we expect to get.
You make an excellent point on time usage. I have to admit that even as a 29 year old single, going out to local meetings and countryside gatherings to meet people to talk and challenge on daily issues affecting our lives can sometimes, if not always, turn out to be better than writing on the blogs. I look back at my trips abroad and slowly come up with interesting thoughts and views on life over there vs here. My boyfriend, Vincent, who I met also has a lot to say about this as he moved to Europe 10 years ago with his parents after finishing college. He says that part of his reason for coming back to the states was not only encouragement to face the US again but because somewhere I accidentally further encouraged him to do so. He has had lots to say about local responsibility and continues to work through the details with me slowly. I know that it has been hard for me to come to grips with the fact that voting alone won't be enough but that convincing people to think differently will have to be the long term key. I still like your style and I apologize for taking it too hard on you at times. Take care and I look forward to reading and discussing more as time seriously permits. :)
The White House is a cold house, cold minds, cold hearts, cold spirits. They are young men and women in the winter of their lives.
What a beautiful description of the reality pervading this bunch of inept bunglers.
Stone, your comments have a poetic beauty. They cut through the crap like a hot knife through butter. Keep contributing, please. BTW, the comment on another thread about education was priceless. I'll probably steal it.
I was particularly struck by the description of the "war room." Cavernous. I would not want to work in the White House. The stink of corruption must hang in the air. Talk about catching cooties. Remember Kal Penn, the young actor who was quitting his career to work at the WH. I don't think he lasted six months before he accepted the offer to do another "Harold and Kumar." He was very quiet about the whole thing and somehow I don't think it was the a money decision so much as having the wind knocked out of his sails. I remember his enthusiasm.
In yesterday's article Mckibben called for ideas. Well, here is a novel idea the Real Left has been pushing for the last twenty years and Klein spoke of yesterday as well. Start building a Real Left and vote for third parties like the Greens who have the RESOLVE to make something happen. Put your begging bowl away Bill and wake up and smell the coffee. Obama is inimical to the Earth by his committment to coal, nuclear, and bio fuels.
And if you live in the states of California or Washington start an initiative campaign to repeal the "top two primary" systems that prevent third parties from running in general elections.
If you live in any of the other 48 states, make sure that you fight any efforts to institute top two primaries that keep third party candidates out of general elections.
Here in Pennsylvania, we already a system at least as onerous as "top-two primaries" for keeping third parties off the ballot.
McKibben's way too nice a guy for real political work, and at least he admits he's a wuss. You have to be a secrecy-loving asshole to work in any White House, talk only to the complicit press, like WaPo and NY Times, and keep everyone else in the dark.
This interesting account shows with stark clarity how little Obama or any of his miserable team care about a SINGLE progressive issue or value. They're either all climate change deniers themselves, or they just don't give a shit one way or the other. Their focus is on making sure BP gets whatever it wants, as a reward for trashing the Gulf, the way they rewarded Wall Street for wrecking the economy.
There is simply no way in hell this administration differs an iota from the previous criminal gang occupying that House of Organized Crime on Pennsylvania Ave. McKibben certainly shows his abysmal naivete in the embarrassing admiration he still has for Obama, despite all the evidence in the world that this fraud couldn't care less about the 350ppm campaign or anything else McKibben has worked on for years. What does it take to wake these Obama boosters from their deluded enchantment with this huckster? If he built a dirty coal plant on the White House lawn, McKibben would probably retain some of the old admiration he felt for him two years ago. Stockholm Syndrome, anyone?
Yes, and why would McKibben believe that son of a gipper Obama would be installing a PV array on the White House roof within a year?
This article is very disappointing for one reason.
It centers around this quote;
"I won't mention their names, on the THEORY that what followed wasn't really their idea, but orders they were following from someone else."(emphasis added)
What this says is that Mr. McKibben, whose work I much admire, is willing to accept the premise that some people are more important than others and these lesser tools will never be of more importance, so there is no need to be accurate and thorough in reporting the way Mr. McKibben and his young advocates were disdainfully dismissed.
Wearing gloves does not improve dexterity. It only reinforces the sense that you are going to allow yourself to be handled and reinforces the use of "anonymity" where it is used perniciously.
I think that McKibben made the point that the people he spoke with did in fact, not matter, that no matter who came out to represent the White House, the response would have been the same.
The response those apparatchiks gave was no doubt dictated by Rahm Emmanuel, who would have been verbally abusive if he had come to the meeting. I hope he runs for mayor of Chicago; Dick Cheney could not do a worse job of running the Democratic White House than he is doing.
As a federal government employee who watches the antics of the heirarchy-climbers above me, I am quite sure that Mckibbens theory is correct - but your points are well taken too. These Upper GS-and SES-scale climbing beureaucrats were certainly following orders from their superviusors, and the supervisors above them were following orders from their supervisors, on up through 3 or 4 more levels, to the inner sanctum Obama and Rahm Emmanuael in the Oval Office upstairs.
To be sure, once someone reaches the elite SES (Senior Executive Scale) they better be like Orwells "very well trained circus dogs" who don't wait for the whip from the master to do their somersaults - so it is also likely that nobody ever asked Obama or Emmanuel about this unimportant MiKibben guy - they knew what his order would be.
McKibbem seem to be implying that he doesn't want to name names becasue they may have personally disagreed with the decision, but wanted to keep their jobs, but this is a distinction without a difference. And just like a soldier following orders in an unjust war, one cannot absolve the individual for agency in their actions - which is exactly wht you pointed out.
At any rate, McKibben should have named the names.
you can only achieve victory if you score more than the opponent - and if you ONLY play defense then the likelihood of that is nil......
sorry for the football analogy but it fits -
go on offense obama - or suffer the consequences of lost majorities in the house and senate - but maybe that is the preferred option - then no one can blame obama for not achieving more....
although his administration is as disappointing as bushes answer to 9-11 when the entire world was on our side and of course bush blew it- just as obama is blowing it now....
@Ephraim:
Climate change deniers? OK, who, specifically, within the Obama Administration has come out as a climate change denier? Do you actually have a name?
Comments like that, and like "there is simply no way in hell this administration differs an iota from the previous criminal gang occupying that House" leave me dumbstruck. (Although it's a typical CD comment -- anything short of a massive socialist uprising of soccer moms from Peoria, Illinois to the radicalized side streets of Fresno, California is a waste of time).
Yes, believe me, I'm royally pissed at the Obama Administration for their repeated cowering before the almighty Fox News [sic] and Glenn Beck and Wall Street Financiers ... and for continuing the rightward shift of what constitutes "political debate" in this country.
But to claim "not one iota" of difference from the cabal of Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld & Yoo is just silly. The former administration was full of shamelessly immoral criminals and hacks, most of whom should be spending time in prison (but never will).
The current administration is weak-kneed, timid, ignorant of larger issues, riddled with corporate industry insiders, and politically incompetent. But if you don't think they're "one iota" different on the environmental front, you haven't interacted with the current administration's environmental leadership, and certainly didn't have the misfortune of dealing with the last.
I think the position that there isn't a substantive difference between the two administrations is a very reasonable position. The fact that you're nitpicking over "iotas" largely proves that point. The other poster may have committed to a little melodramatic hyperbole, but maybe consider awarding points for an accurate sentiment.
This administration will do what it is paid to do: protect and expand the corporate state. And in that sense, the administrations are largely identical.
"No way in hell the Administration differs one iota" were Ephraim's words, not mine.
Wake me when the long-awaited Soccer Mom Socialist Uprising begins.
You illustrate with your posts one of the critical problems with the administration and with Democrats in general. Your antagonism to the Left rivals your antagonism toward the Republicans. That is illogical and self-contradictory, and is the cause of all of the poor results, the frustration and confusion, and the antagonism and hostility here. You will never be able to successfully defeat the political right so long as you are also trying to crush the Left, as you obviously are.
Of course there is one major difference between the two parties. They use a different approach so as to appeal to a different constituency in order to advance the same basic program.
Your snide and contemptuous comments toward the Left demonstrate rather than refute the fact that when and where it is most important, there is no difference between the two parties.
Hear! Hear!
Exact and concise statment of the situation. Thanks.
OK, you found me out: I'm single-handedly trying to "crush the left"!
(Why is everybody on this site so hostile and paranoid?)
I give up on this blog: there's no tolerance for any dissenting opinions, even among those of us who consider ourselves to be democratic socialists. The radical ideas are creative and invigorating, but the groupthink and intolerance for dissenting opinion is scary.
Well. I'd love to stay and chat, but I'm off to singlehandedly crush the Cuban Revolution.
Sorry, but you seem to be the one here who can't abide any dissent--from your point of view. You bash the left and then claim to be part of it; how does that work? You had a more forgiving view of Obama than I did, and you couldn't tolerate anything I had to say. And this makes me and other leftists here "hostile and paranoid"? I guess a little projection never hurt anybody.
You always hostile and paranoid here.
This from perhaps the most belligerent asshole who ever displays the mechanical workings of his tiny brain here, next to sidekick Pelican Beak. Or in Shawnspeak, You the paranoid one, bedwetting chubby poo, purist Obama worshiper you!
Hey there chubby poochy. Better watch out coz I learning from Jake Newton so I can whoop them ilogical falcious purist asses, just you wait !
Even when you can't spell, write a simple sentence, use logic except in a Mad Hatter sense (see Alice in Wonderland, not that you'd understand a word of it), or make any kind of common horse sense at all, except for fellow morons. You purist Obama asshole puristically smiley face dumbfuck, jus yoo wate! Dorkbrain.
Don't worry Shawn. I got that purist down. Oh oh, he's trying to move. Better beat that sucker down and hold him still. Easy, easy. There we go. And now, SPOOOOSH ! Another raw egg pie in his face. Hey Eprhaim, IN YOUR FACE IN YOUR FACE ! OOOOOOOOOOOO !! LOL !! Here have another one ! KAAABLAAAAAAAAAM ! SPOOOOOOOOOSH ! OOO HAHAHAHAHA OOO HAHAHAHAHA !!! LOL ! Hay Shawn man, there's your chubby poochy with pies in his face and birds flying around his head. This is hilarious !
So this is how low you sink after you, your party apologist pals, and your Democratic Party gets cremed for betrayal and selling out? You really could learn from Jennifer and Ephraim instead of teaming up with your buddies, trashing the Green Party incessantly, and hurling pie-throwing insults for a change? You can't blame Jennifer or Ephraim for the Democratic Party working hard to fail themselves. Tell us how you can defend such a party.
I take it that you are unable or unwilling to support your assertions, then, and instead are resorting to mocking others and the website.
All I did was disgaree with you. That is not being intolerant of dissenting opinions.
So, defending the powerful is now called a "dissenting opinion" and we must be "tolerant" of it by not holding or expressing any other opinions? Odd. You are objecting to others expressing their opinions - you are quite intolerant of that - yet turn reality upside down and claim that it is you who are being suppressed. What you are asking for is the right to express your opinion and have no one disagree with you or challenge your opinion.
Donny Don's being nice and practical but you "progressive" purists are the intolerant ones. He might be new but I ain't letting that comrade fall. Im learning from Jake Newton and getting smarter.
Take it easy bro ! The purists are trying to be trouble makers. Don't leave the blog. After reading Jake Newton's logic posts and links, I'm less afraid of those bedwetting purists. You a good man Donny. Don't let them bastards put you down. For a Green Party member, you rock man ! If more Green Party members were grownups like you, the party'd be winning and I'd be campaigning for them. Good luck bro !
TWO AMERICAS: Well-said! And When "Donny Don" isn't making this redundant assertion, other "names" will appear to say the EXACT same thing so that those of us who see through the bullshit are put on the defensive. It's called "isolating the radical" so that the pack can be neutralized. Ps-ops are in place to preserve the status quo no matter how many bodies lay dead in foreign lands, no matter how many ecosystems are brought to utter ruin, no matter how many jobs are lost, homes abandoned, bank accounts ripped off. Still, they'll argue like good troops for those giving the marching orders. The names change, the agenda remains. There are embeds in our midst! And they do not want others to learn about alternatives. Heck, they don't want the truth to deviate from its standard talking points as echoed throughout the bought & sold-out U.S. mainstream media. And they'll of course deny this assertion... lest they get IT about "the criminal always returning to the scene of the crime" and instead send in a "neutral" name, one of those who acts like a self-appointed referee (of others' positions, frequently mis-stated) to assure us that this site is not embedded. It would be funny, if times were not as tragic as they ARE!
paranoid liar stuck in medieval black magic bs.
This assumes, that the Democratic Party is on "the Left". The only basis for this assumption is the claims of, wait for it, the Republican Party (and teabaggers and other useful idiots). Nobody with any real, rationale, historic understanding of American and world politics would place the current Democratic Party anywhere on the Left end of the political spectrum. The Democrats are solidly Center-Right on every issue. The last time there was any meaningful "Left" presence in the Democratic Party was during the LBJ Great Society era. There have been some legitimate Leftists, since then, like Ron Dellums, and some legitimate liberals like Barbara Boxer and Pete Stark, but they are few, far between and wandering in the political wilderness.
The idea for instance, that an opportunistic corporate money magnet like Nancy Pelosi is on the "Left" would be laughable if it wasn't so pernicious.
So, "Two Americas", define your terms and be careful about it. A real "Left" would have legitimate differences with real "Liberals" and there is nothing wrong with that. The problem right now is finding any real Liberals in power and getting any real "leftists" into power.
All lathered up over the little phrase "one iota", are we, Donny Don? Seems your undies are in a bunch over that one. Two Americas has deftly answered your evident outrage that anyone can possibly compare Obama with Bush and find very few differences (OK, "one iota" was an exaggeration). I never said a word about "soccer mom socialist uprisings"; that's apparently your fantasy to discredit the left. Nurse your own delusions if you must. They don't interest me.
I give up on this web site. While the Tea Party and their Fox 'News' [sic] masters continue to pull in a common direction, to consolidate the fascist state that the U.S. is fast becoming, the Left just continues to ... eat its own.
We're so screwed.
The Democrats you trust are actually playing you for a fool. Are you some Obamabot who refuses to look beyond the two parties and fight for the issues? Other nations are laughing at this dysfunctional nation for proudly and shamelessly fighting for a "leadership" completely DIVORCED from reality. Take a hard look at the issues and see where your beloved Democrat Party really stands on any of them.
I NEVER SAID I "TRUST THE DEMOCRATS", you moron.
Any nuance is lost on this site. Any dissenting opinion is declared treason. Echoes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, only from a differing political perspective.
I'm registered Green Party, by the way. Just FYI.
Not that I care about which party you are registered to but you make yourself look like an apologist for the status quo. Opinion and dissent are welcome here as long as you don't make a troll out of yourself and take other points of view into consideration. Looking at your posts, you would be better off at fluffpost or dkos !
Shut up you purist asshole ! Donny's a Green Party guy and you and Ephraim say you support third party goers. Sucks to be you.
Who are you to tell who to shut up? I don't support people strictly on party labels but on what they stand for compared to everyone else running on any given election. Of course, if none of them are any good I resort to write-ins of my own. It is a pity that lame brains like you and Donny are the reason this nation gets stuck with misleadership and misrepresentation that tends to get further divorced from the public election after election. Doesn't it hurt you that others are laughing at this country? I have nothing more to say to you or Donny.
Hey Donny and Shawn, I got that bedwetting purist down. Here comes another PIE in her face. SPLOOOOOOOOOOOOSH ! LOL ! Poor little Jenny ! You're another dumb fucking Naderite corporate Repug in progressive drag just like you were on Alternet when I made you purists fall like a house of cards. Nader don't need juvelines like you !
Jennifer did nothing wrong on Alternet. She was nice enough even when others asked but you and your stalwart Obama PR crew couldn't digest the truth. Don't blame her or others for your failures to see the Democratic Party for what it is and stop attacking the Green Party. You rarely offer anything constructive to talk about even on Alternet. It's either attack all religions or attack all third parties for you. Get a life and stop being a Democratic Party troll if it all that's possible.
Thank you maxpayne for setting the record straight and thank you for standing up for Ephraim and I. I knew that "Pelican Beak" was an Obamabot all along but he would never admit it. He would pretend not to support "Beck" and other Obamabots like him/her but he never fooled me. I'm glad to see you again here on CD if not Alternet but I haven't been there much myself. Their articles are sickening Democrat apologist articles that would make even the apologist articles on this site look "bold" in pale comparison.
P.S.: I am sorry to hear about your recent unemployment with your wife to follow. I wish the two of you all the best of luck.
Likewise, I'm glad I could help. I hear you on Alternet. The site is poops when it comes to loading. As for my unemployment, for right now, my wife and I will look at it as freedom from the MIC while we both work on setting up helping a few of our friends set up a local business freeing ourselves from the MIC as best as we can. I read your posts on your working on small businesses and I commend you as well for your efforts. Keep up the good work and stay strong, young lady. Good luck to you too. :-)
Thank you so much for that comment. I get so disheartened when I read threads that completely lose the point of the article (and I'm doing it now myself) in order to prove that some person is not "Left" enough? When will the progressive movement learn to put aside their differences and combine to defeat the people who really want to destroy everything we love?